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brooklynite

(94,713 posts)
Tue Jul 23, 2013, 12:46 PM Jul 2013

Mike Lee threatens to shut down government over Obamacare

Source: Salt Lake Tribune

Washington • Sen. Mike Lee has delivered an ultimatum: Stop funding Obamacare or he’ll try to shut down the entire federal government.

Utah’s firebrand conservative is hitting friendly radio and TV shows to rally Republicans to his cause, appearing on Fox News’ morning show Monday saying so far he has at least 13 senators on board.

They’ll make their stand in October, when Congress is expected to vote on a continuing resolution that will keep the federal government functioning. Lee sees it as the last attempt to wind down Obamacare before it takes full effect Jan. 1.

At that time, most people will be required to have insurance or pay a fine, a law known as the individual mandate. And for the minority of people who don’t get coverage through their jobs, they’ll have new online insurance exchanges to shop in, with those on the lower end of the income scale getting federal subsidies.




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Mike Lee threatens to shut down government over Obamacare (Original Post) brooklynite Jul 2013 OP
ignore them, let them shut it all down nt msongs Jul 2013 #1
Yeah, if that would include Congress, I say go for it. classof56 Jul 2013 #4
Little bit late for that.... Roy Rolling Jul 2013 #9
In his own garbled way, Brigid Jul 2013 #17
Agree. Grins Jul 2013 #20
Invoke the Nuclear Option Mr. David Jul 2013 #2
Dear Mr Lee demwing Jul 2013 #3
He can be the new Newt Getrich BumRushDaShow Jul 2013 #5
gawd pls. stop the STOOPID of the grandstanding repukelicans wordpix Jul 2013 #6
brooklynite Diclotican Jul 2013 #7
It's awesome to watch and listen to the hate these freaks have for that health plan. tofuandbeer Jul 2013 #8
?????? heaven05 Jul 2013 #10
Let's just unelect Mr. Lee instead. that seems more workable. nt bemildred Jul 2013 #11
It's already so nonfunctional what difference would it make. NV Whino Jul 2013 #12
Of course our soldiers would not be paid, fed, or patched up when injured. SS checks would alfredo Jul 2013 #14
Sounds like it's functioning well for millions of Americans right now, despite all complaints. freshwest Jul 2013 #15
I lived in a Libertarian paradise. The poor, sick, and aged lived on the streets. There were open alfredo Jul 2013 #22
Somolia? Brigid Jul 2013 #24
Close, Ethiopia before the revolution. alfredo Jul 2013 #25
My apologies. Pab Sungenis Jul 2013 #26
Good. It'll give the ACA the visibility the administration should be giving it. It'll be a plus for byeya Jul 2013 #13
Impeach Sen. Lee for Treason..... lastlib Jul 2013 #16
He sounds like a little prima donna to me... Helen Borg Jul 2013 #18
Arrest the bastard for sedition! AAO Jul 2013 #19
God, I hope they try Downtown Hound Jul 2013 #21
None of the Dems, including the resident of the WH, will call their bluff Doctor_J Jul 2013 #23

classof56

(5,376 posts)
4. Yeah, if that would include Congress, I say go for it.
Tue Jul 23, 2013, 12:53 PM
Jul 2013

Do away with their taxpayer-funded salaries, perks and health care. Maybe their approval ratings will skyrocket.

Bunch of do-nothing know-nothing morans.

Roy Rolling

(6,928 posts)
9. Little bit late for that....
Tue Jul 23, 2013, 01:15 PM
Jul 2013

Congress has been shut down for years already.

As Yogi Berra said "if people don't want to come to the ballpark you can't stop them."

Grins

(7,227 posts)
20. Agree.
Tue Jul 23, 2013, 03:39 PM
Jul 2013

Let the voters who elected these idiots and the entire country see, feel, and enjoy the fruits of Republican Fantasy Economics™ that these idiots so desperately want. And pray the White House and Democrats don't make exceptions like the did with the FAA and air traffic control. Let the country really FEEL the disaster that is Republican Fantasy Economics™. Logical arguments have not and never will work, so give them the Mencken:

"The common people know what they want and deserve to get it, good and hard." - H.L. Mencken

 

Mr. David

(535 posts)
2. Invoke the Nuclear Option
Tue Jul 23, 2013, 12:51 PM
Jul 2013

It's way past time to put the Republicans in a corner and have them shut the fuck up. Have the Seargent-At-Arms ordered to slap Mr. Lee mouth shut when he whines.

Diclotican

(5,095 posts)
7. brooklynite
Tue Jul 23, 2013, 01:10 PM
Jul 2013

brooklynite

A evil man indeed - and I guess also a person who would let people starve even if he could give them some food to solve the hunger...Or in this case - ACA who could give many with bad health some coverage and medical help, instead of a life in pain and missery...

The republicans are indeed a breed of their own...

Diclotican

alfredo

(60,075 posts)
14. Of course our soldiers would not be paid, fed, or patched up when injured. SS checks would
Tue Jul 23, 2013, 01:33 PM
Jul 2013

not come, nor would unemployment checks. Job loss would be astronomical

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
15. Sounds like it's functioning well for millions of Americans right now, despite all complaints.
Tue Jul 23, 2013, 01:41 PM
Jul 2013

Last edited Tue Jul 23, 2013, 03:00 PM - Edit history (1)

Eliminating government is the base of the Libertarian Party platform, that all can survive on charity, government must go away. Not only that, but Social Security must go away, which is what is keeping millions of people right now from being hungry and homeless...

We are talking about well over a hundred million people getting the essentials of life right now. Not everyone needs these long-term:

In 2012, over 56 million Americans will receive $778 billion in Social Security benefits.

http://www.ssa.gov/pressoffice/basicfact.htm

Medicaid is the nation’s largest health program in terms of number of recipients, serving 56 million to Medicare’s 48 million.

http://topics.nytimes.com/top/news/health/diseasesconditionsandhealthtopics/medicaid/index.html

More than a third of Americans lived in households receiving government assistance in 2010.

http://money.cnn.com/2012/02/07/news/economy/government_assistance/index.htm

More than 46.6 Million Americans Participated in SNAP in June 2012

http://frac.org/reports-and-resources/snapfood-stamp-monthly-participation-data/

The Libertarian Party Platform on Welfare:

http://www.lp.org/issues/poverty-and-welfare

The Libertarian Party Platform on Health care:


http://www.ontheissues.org/celeb/Libertarian_Party_Health_Care.htm

More Libertarian, Ron Paul, Tea Bagger ideas that Democrats do not believe in:

Libertarians believe that taxes should be abolished along with all the programs and departments that taxes fund. Libertarians don’t believe in Medicare. Libertarians don’t believe in Social Security. Libertarians don’t believe that there should be fire departments, police departments, public transportation, grants for education, unemployment, disability, food stamps, and every other type of government system and assistance that you can think of.

Libertarians wish to eliminate taxes in order to eliminate all of the above programs and more. Libertarians believe that without these taxes, individuals will have more money in their pockets and will be able to afford all of these things. If someone is unable to provide themselves or their family with school, health care, or food, people need to rely on family members, church, or a private charity.

Libertarians believe that government’s role in the market should be to protect property owner’s rights. There should be no FDA, equal employment opportunities, unions, minimum wage, payroll taxes, safe food handling requirements, consumer protections, regulations that protect against financial conflicts of interest and fraud, and business licenses.

Libertarians believe that business owners should have the right to deny entry to minorities and/or women and/or people with disabilities, if that is how business owners wish to run their businesses.


http://deni-edwards.hubpages.com/hub/Defining-a-Libertarian-Ron-Pauls-Political-Platform

Social Security and Medicaid keeps millions of people they will never meet, and have no idea exist, off the streets. They disapprove of those who are doing the work to keep them alive and well, because it's a 'statist' thing, not ideologically pure, easy for them.

Democrats are and will continue to help many more people than private groups ever will. The GOP who are primarily Libertarians, plan to end all government so there will no votes needed, just be connected to the biggest boss you can find.

Here's another link:

http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2012/02/federal-benefits-able-bodied-workers

Anyone who cares about such things, won't be cavalier like Mr. Lee and the media about this subject. Those unaffected, can make such claims, when those would be, knows things could be much worse.

And that the GOP, Libertarians and Tea Baggers are in full favor of the government being shut down. Not Democrats nor the American people.

alfredo

(60,075 posts)
22. I lived in a Libertarian paradise. The poor, sick, and aged lived on the streets. There were open
Tue Jul 23, 2013, 05:59 PM
Jul 2013

sewers running through town, and the water was unsafe to drink. Flies covered the meat in the market. The church was free to sexually mutilate 12 year old girls so they would not be able to enjoy sex. The strong ruled, the weak starved. There was no path out of poverty.

 

Pab Sungenis

(9,612 posts)
26. My apologies.
Wed Jul 24, 2013, 10:58 AM
Jul 2013

I alerted on this post because it looked like a typical Lunatarian dump of arguments for their party. It was only after the alert that I realized how you were tearing them down.

 

byeya

(2,842 posts)
13. Good. It'll give the ACA the visibility the administration should be giving it. It'll be a plus for
Tue Jul 23, 2013, 01:27 PM
Jul 2013

Obama and for the ACA.

lastlib

(23,272 posts)
16. Impeach Sen. Lee for Treason.....
Tue Jul 23, 2013, 02:15 PM
Jul 2013

...or sedition, or general stupidity--whatever we can make stick!

these fuckwads make me !

Helen Borg

(3,963 posts)
18. He sounds like a little prima donna to me...
Tue Jul 23, 2013, 02:27 PM
Jul 2013

There have been articles estimating individual premiums to go substantially down as a result of this plan. That seems like a good thing!

 

Doctor_J

(36,392 posts)
23. None of the Dems, including the resident of the WH, will call their bluff
Tue Jul 23, 2013, 08:31 PM
Jul 2013

their all gutless weasels

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