Chavez foe seen victim of anti-Semitism in Venezuela

[Zorro]

Two prominent U.S.-based Jewish organizations condemned on Friday as anti-Semitism a wave of verbal and written attacks by President Hugo Chavez's supporters against Venezuela's opposition leader.

Henrique Capriles, the grandson of Polish Jews who survived the Holocaust, has faced a barrage of insults since winning the Democratic Unity coalition's presidential candidacy on Sunday. One that caused particular outrage was a profile by a state radio commentator entitled "The Enemy is Zionism."

The full gamut of attacks, though, has ranged from Chavez calling him a "pig" to a prominent TV commentator accusing him of being caught in a car having sex with another man.

With official after official lining up to condemn Capriles as a flag bearer of the "bourgeoisie" and "Yankee imperialism," some Chavez supporters have even been circulating a cartoon of him in pink underwear with a Nazi Swastika on his arm.

More at: http://news.yahoo.com/chavez-foe-seen-victim-anti-semitism-venezuela-184759704.html

[COLGATE4]

1. Nothing new. Chavez and his cohorts have

been pushing antisemitism for years now.

[Archae]

2. "Chavez can do no wrong" groupies in 3-2-1...

[MADem]

9. I dunno--those comments are pretty indefensible.

I'd wager the hope is that this thread will sink. There's no justification for some of those bigoted remarks--none whatsoever. Who could defend those words? Low-life, pig, Jew, gay? He didn't intend any of those remarks as a compliment, either. They are not the comments of a progressive person, at all, in any circumstance. They are unsupportable hate speech--no two ways about it.

And that flawless, error-free election system in VZ, that is run by the ruling government? They're whining about the numbers, as though the opposition is gaming the system! The irony!

And Hugo has rallied his minions to go out and insult the guy as well:

http://worldnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/02/15/10411964-chavez-allies-attack-new-opponent-capriles-as-jewish-gay

Much of the official ire against Capriles has focused on Sunday's primary, saying the overall numbers were inflated to give an impression of massive opposition turnout -- even though the state electoral authority supervised the poll.

...Analysts say the finally united opposition -- which in the past has been crippled by in-fighting and failed to dislodge Chavez via mass street protests or a string of votes -- has its best chance in 13 years of unseating him in October.
Yet the president still appears to have the edge, thanks to high popularity among the poor, a formidable party machine and an extraordinary pre-election spending spree on welfare projects like allowances for single mothers and pensioners.
Recent polls show Chavez would win about 60 percent of the vote in October, though analysts say that could change if Capriles runs a dynamic campaign. He plans to start a tour of Venezuela from next week.

Capriles needs good bodyguards, armoured transportation, and ballistic clothing, IMO.

[joshcryer]

12. I'm not sure where you're seeing Chavez say that.

Chavez called Capriles a low life (or alternate slang, "limp d**k&quot pig.

The "gay Nazi Zionist" crap came from other PSUV shills.

And yes, it is humorous for the Venezuelan elections, cleanest in all of Latin America, if not the hemisphere, to be called defrauded but that's old news. We have posted a few posts about it in LatAm if you're interested. Name calling is an attempt by the PSUV to try to control the narrative, and get the massive primary win out of the news and out of the public psyche. So far MUD is not taking the bait and only a few candidates are denouncing it or engaging it. MCM is the only one who will do that and because she placed last in the primaries she can be the Ron Paul of the MUD.

[MADem]

13. What I read is that he had a loyal minion make that particular accusation.

It's just a different cultural experience--firstly, seeing these sorts of accusatory 'hate speech' comments fly, and secondly, hearing a Presidential candidate talking about his 'scores' with the ladies! I suppose I could picture Newt engaging in that kind of talk, but picture Mittsy boasting about getting down to business--it's inconceivable!

Mario Silva, a staunch Chavez ally who hosts a late-night talk show on state television called "La Hojilla," or "The Razor Blade," recently suggested that Capriles is gay.

Citing an alleged police report, Silva said police officers spotted Capriles engaged in a sexual act with another man. Capriles denied the accusation.

While homosexuality is accepted by many Venezuelans, politicians often use sexual orientation as a means of insulting rivals.

Capriles occasionally boasts of his sexual exploits with women. "I'm like a ship captain: I have a woman in every port," he told The Associated Press during an interview last year.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/02/17/jewish-group-chavez-foe-a_n_1285507.html

I'll have to do some reading in the LA forum--thanks for the tip!

[Scootaloo]

14. It's funny that you say this, MADem...

"Capriles needs good bodyguards, armoured transportation, and ballistic clothing, IMO. "

Ironic that out of these two, only Chavez has seen multiple attempts on his life. While calling your opponent a pig isn't particularly classy, it's not exactly "I'm going to kill you" either.

[ronnie624]

15. He is also attributing comments to Chavez that he didn't make.

I find that sort of dishonesty loathsome.

[Archae]

16. Some of the comments aren't directly from Chavez.

BUT...

Chavez's people are saying this vicious lies, and Chavez himself called his opponent a "pig."

And Chavez isn't disavowing those other remarks either.

It looks like Chavez is facing real opposition using the same system Chavez uses to stay in power, and so now vicious slurs and smears are flying.

What will happen if Chavez loses?

I have my doubts Chavez will graciously give up the presidency.

[MADem]

30. As I clarified upthread, he used minions to shop the more unsavory accusations.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1014&pid=54809

The poster calling me "loathsome" knew that, too, I suspect. He or she simply wants to characterize me as a "meanie who doesn't like the heroic and wonderful Chavez" while not having the intestinal fortitude to call me names directly.

However will I survive these brutal attacks on my character?

I think you are probably right, and it may be that Chavez will only give up the Presidency if cancer takes him first. I wouldn't be surprised if he found a "national emergency" reason to delay the election if his opponent got too popular. He's already packed the courts and rewritten the Constitution, who knows what other stunts he might pull?

As I said elsewhere in this thread, If I were the oppo candidate, I'd be very interested in quality security, to include ballistic clothing, armoured transportation, and top-shelf bodyguards.

[ronnie624]

34. "He's already packed the courts and rewritten the Constitution

who knows what other stunts he might pull?"

More examples of dishonesty.

[MADem]

39. Oooooh--Google is YOUR friend, too, Ronnie!

http://venezuelanalysis.com/analysis/70

http://www.hrw.org/news/2004/06/21/court-packing-law-threatens-venezuelan-democracy

And do check your mirror before you persist in calling people direct personal insults like "dishonest"--it's "uncivil," doncha know, particularly when it isn't true.

Since you have trouble with word definitions, let me give you a hand:

dis·hon·est
adjective /disˈänist/ 

Behaving or prone to behave in an untrustworthy or fraudulent way
- he was a dishonest hypocrite prepared to exploit his family

Intended to mislead or cheat
- he gave the editor a dishonest account of events
http://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ix=seb&ie=UTF-8&ion=1#hl=en&safe=off&q=dishonest&tbs=dfn:1&tbo=u&sa=X&ei=ae0_T8f7AYPu0gGt8ZXtBw&ved=0CDQQkQ4&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.,cf.osb&fp=f0b85e3c6de8b9f9&ix=seb&ion=1&biw=1366&bih=643


You have one of those nice days, now.

[ronnie624]

41. You said,

"He's already packed the courts and rewritten the Constitution", with the clear intention of insinuating dictatorship.

Dishonest.

He didn't rewrite the constitution. It was rewritten by an assembly, and then ratified by a referendum.

[Muskypundit]

62. Hitler had the reichstag.

It's all appearances though. He is a dictator, and a dick.

[ronnie624]

68. Hitler indeed.

You are in dire need of some history lessons.

[MADem]

64. Oh, really?

So, if Chavez gives an order to his minions, and they carry out the job, that means that the fearless leader isn't responsible for their actions? Your concept of leadership is terribly naive.

It's amusing to watch you defend the indefensible with repeated whines of "dishonest!" You're still wrong.

Rubber-glue, and all that playground fun.

[ronnie624]

67. More claims that you cannot support,

hence the lack of links to information.

[bitchkitty]

89. Nice of you to call them claims.

I'm not so nice, I just call them what they are - fucking lies. And who tells lies? Fucking liars, that's who! Don't sully your mind with them.

[ronnie624]

91. Yep

That's how I see it. Someone who frequently attempts to cloud basic facts with misinformation, is definitely a liar.

[ronnie624]

69. The Venezuelan electorate are Chavez's minions?

And they voted in favor of a new constitution at his order?

How is anyone supposed to take you seriously?

[fascisthunter]

78. we don't

[ronnie624]

70. From the Venezuelanalysis article you posted:

Before Chávez came to power Venezuela was formally bound by human rights standards, but in practice often violated them. Torture, censorship, and violations of the right to assembly were quite common, especially during the second presidency of Carlos Andres Perez (1989-1993). Those who suffered from these human rights violations were to a very large extent the same people who swept into power with the election of Chávez as president. Many of these individuals thus participated in the formulation of the new constitution as members of the constitutional assembly. As a result, they gave human rights a central place in the constitution. However, the human rights that the constitution mentions go far beyond what most constitutions incorporate. Not only civil rights, such as the freedom of expression, assembly, and political participation are included, but so are social human rights, such as the right to employment, housing, and health care. For example, with regard to health care, the constitution states, “Health is a fundamental social right, an obligation of the state, which guarantees it as part of the right to life.” In practice, this has opened health care to many Venezuelans who previously did not have access to it.

[center]*******[/center]
The referendum took place on April 19 and had two questions. The first was whether or not to convoke the assembly and the second was whether or not voters accept the procedures set forth by the president. 92% of those voting voted “yes” in response to the question about convoking a constitutional assembly and 86% approved of the procedures set forth by the president (with an abstention rate of 63%). Two months later, on July 25th, the vote for the members of the constitutional assembly took place. The procedure was such that 24 members to the assembly were elected nationally, three as representatives of the indigenous population, and the rest, 104 were elected as representatives from their respective states. All together there were 131 members of the constitutional assembly, all of which were elected directly, via a simply majority. As a result of Chávez’ overwhelming popularity 95%, or 125 of the representatives, were allied with Chávez’ political project. Only six belonged to the opposition

[center]*******[/center]
There is a large consensus both within Venezuela and among foreign observers that Venezuela now has one of the world’s most “advanced” constitutions. However, what does this mean? For the most part those who praise the constitution mean that it provides for broad citizen participation, making Venezuela a “participatory democracy,” rather than merely a representative one. Also, the constitution provides for some of the most comprehensive human rights protections of any constitution in the world. Finally, its inclusion of special protection for those traditionally marginalized, such as women and the indigenous population and of the environment makes Venezuela’s constitution one of the most responsive to the needs of the less powerful

http://venezuelanalysis.com/analysis/70

[MADem]

28. What's loathsome is your sudden inability to speak directly to me.

It's the opposite of civility, but hey, pat yourself on the back.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1014&pid=54809

I clarified my remarks in this above-cited post. Of course, if you read the thread you'd have seen that. Perhaps you did, but noting that was inconvenient to your argument?

[ronnie624]

32. You made the remarks knowing they were false,

and there they stand, with the deliberate intention to mislead.

"What's loathsome is your sudden inability to speak directly to me."

No it isn't. That's hyperbolic nonsense.

Perpetual dishonesty, however, would be found loathsome by just about anyone who respects honest discussion and debate.

[MADem]

36. Yes, indeed--and YOU made your remarks--well after I clarified mine.

Had I intended to "deliberately mislead," I would not have clarified (in the subject line, no less) my initial comments in the context of a civil and mature discussion I was having with another DUer on this thread, so your assertion is not at all supported by the facts in evidence.

Deliberate obfuscation and avoiding speaking with people you have differences with directly, with a goal of false characterization, is a rather Chavez-like trait. No wonder it comes so easily to you.

I think you need to look up the meaning of the word "hyperbolic." You're not using it correctly. I am being very plainspoken with you, and not exaggerating anything.

You should have a hard look in your own mirror when you pontificate about "perpetual dishonesty."

Tell ya what, though--you have very plainly shown your hand, here, and you've not acquitted yourself well at all, so there's really no point in going on. I see what you are about--how nice you have been so inadvertently obvious.

You have one of those real nice days, now.

[ronnie624]

38. I would run too, if I were in your shoes.

Blatant dishonesty is not easily defended.

[MADem]

65. You're not even crawling in this thread--how are you gonna 'run?'

Repeating the same foolish thing over and over again is what parrots do, you know.

[joshcryer]

60. You don't know that. I think it was an honest mistake.

[MADem]

66. Thank you--it was, and I said as much in my clarification.

This kid is pretty rude, though. Not sure what his problem is.

[MADem]

26. I'm quite sure Chavez has those things, so I don't quite take the "ironic" point.

Leaders in power are targets, as are people who challenge leaders who enjoy unrestrained power. There's no "either-or" here.

Chavez controls the Army, so I don't think there's a shortage of bodyguard "protection" for him, either, or armoured vehicles to transport him. Ballistic clothing is very popular in South America; one of the finest manufacturers of extremely high quality stuff that is virtually undetectable operates out of Columbia, I think.

Of course, no military can protect the fearless leader from terminal cancer, but that's a story for another day.

[Scootaloo]

71. The irony is that you make it sound as if Henrique Capriles is the one at risk

...When it's historically been Chavez getting shot at.

So tell me. From what do you draw the "unrestrained power" thing from? Do you understand the difference between "high popularity" and "unrestrained power"?

Here, let me give you an example of "unrestrained power." Kim Jong-il. Here's a dude who could compel the starving children of his impoverished nation to engage in an extremely expensive series of "games," claimed to be modeled on the Olympics, but actually a heavily choreographed (they practice for an entire year. Every year) worship session of Kim Jong-il. According to the government of the state of the Democratic people's Republic of Korea, Kim Jong-il, like his father Kim Il-Sung before him, was able to control the weather, make fully-grown trees appear overnight, and was the best-loved and most humanitarian leader in the world. Especially after he personally shot down not one, not two, but three US military aircraft, thus freeing the world from imperialist tyranny, don'cha know. Even after he died, he was able to compel people - and animals! - into "spontaneous" bouts of wracking grief - and the people who were less-affected by this wonderous power magically disappeared.

Hugo Chavez? Hugo Chevez has won several elections, and might win another. He also refused to re-license a television station after the owners of that station advocated his murder and joined part of a coup attempt against the government of Venezuela. He also gets to call his opposition a "pig" without there being a lot of complaint from Venezuelans. Ooooh. Ahhhh.

But both of them have funny-looking heads, so I can see how you have difficulty telling them apart.

Can you explain to me, also, how someone who gloats over another person having cancer, can ever criticize the "class" of anyone else?

[MADem]

73. Well, he is the one at risk. He doesn't have an army to protect him.

You need to stop characterizing the comments of others. You haven't gotten it right yet.

Here's some light reading for you:

http://www.businessweek.com/news/2011-12-19/venezuela-expresses-sincere-sorrow-for-death-of-kim-jong-il.html

Pay close attention to the third paragraph.

More: http://www.eluniversal.com/nacional-y-politica/111220/president-chavez-laments-the-death-of-kim-jong-il

Peas in a pod; brothers from another mother. Whatever.

[Scootaloo]

75. And yet, there is no similarity in how the countries are run

As I pointed out. Which you seem to be intentionally missing.

Kim Jong-il was a massively different personage than Hugo Chavez. As I pointed out. Which you seem to be intentionally missing.

Instead, you grasp at the flimsiest of straws and claim that's evidence that the two are identical. "Hugo Chavez mourned the death of Kim Jong-il, OHNOES!"

What, was he supposed to act like you, and your happiness over cancer, by doing a little dance at the news? Wouldn't you think that, if they were such close, good buddies, he could have come up with a better back-pat angle than "we do our own things"? Wouldn't there be more in common than "we oppose US policy toward us"?

The fact is, MADem, you're desperately trying to prove a point that has no basis in reality. You're just telling flat-out lies in your effort to cast Chavez as this evil despot ruling over a downtrodden, desperate people just like North Korea! but, well... evidence just isn't in your favor at all. You're trying so hard, with so little to go on, and I have to wonder why?

[MADem]

76. Who brought Hugo's good dead bestie-buddy into this discussion? Not me!

And now you're whining and crying because I noticed, and made a connection between the two (one that didn't take a lot of brainpower, either--google has always been my good friend)!

One uses the carrot, the other used the stick. It's all bribes, at the end of the day. A little shared misery, subsistence living, faux empowerment, brutal repression of opposition and a cheapass cellphone here; a little back breaking hard labor, continuous mind-numbing reeducation, threat of starvation and jail there. It ain't real democracy, that's for sure.

Don't even think about lecturing me when you were the one who sanctimoniously and quite ostentatiously dragged that fat dead phony demi-god into the discussion--that's chutzpah, for sure. And keep on using pathetic and unsupportable arguments, when you know you're making that shit up because you've got nuthin, and the only way you can think of to try to clamber back to the high ground is to falsely and shamelessly suggest that I am 'happy dancing' over that miserable dictator's illness. Please. Pardon me for noting the obvious -- the guy DOES have cancer; something that he denied to his own people for months on end (and anyone who brought it up, even here at DU, was met with a breathless and excitable cries of "He does NOT! Waaah!" in this very forum until the truth came out and it could no longer be denied).

I am not trying to "prove" a doggone thing, you see. And I am not the one who is "desperate" here. Here's the "facts"--you're just flailing to defend the indefensible, and tossing up old dead Kim didn't help you one whit, so since that didn't work, you're now trying to make ME the bad guy. It's not working.

Maybe you'd be better off by giving up the effort to paint a guy as a victim who calls his opponents pigs and worse. Or not. Do what you feel, it matters not to me!

[Judi Lynn]

74. Anyone who "someone who gloats over another person having cancer" isn't going to win any respect

from people who've lost loved ones to cancer, or have the problem themselves.

Thanks for throwing light on the subject. Great efforts are made to obscure the reality.

[wordpix]

25. here's an article about Chavez & his attempts to provide housing

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/the_americas/despite-housing-pledges-from-chavez-venezuelas-homeless-call-racetrack-home/2012/02/13/gIQAHoySHR_story.html

snip: For those trying to survive here — indeed, for thousands more in similar conditions across Venezuela’s capital — it is just another symbol of the city’s long slide into squalor, decay and fear. And that is a serious problem for a leftist populist government that is frantically trying to build housing ahead of an October presidential election in which Chavez will be challenged by a young, energetic opposition candidate, Henrique Capriles.

Even among the destitute masses in this country — for 13 years the backbone for Chavez’s so-called people’s revolution — there is a tinge of despair that El Comandante has been unable to deliver on a long-held promise: housing. snip

Indeed, Chavez’s government has nationalized the country’s steel and cement industries, leading to shortages in building materials, while seeking construction know-how from allies such as Cuba that have a spotty record in alleviating housing shortages. The president’s frustration was plainly evident as he spoke on national television last week after a group of homeless families took to the streets to demand government action.
snip

I'm no Chavez expert but from what I know, this guy is poor at managing anything, yet he's taken over the country's major industries, including food production and housing materials. The recent primary shows there are a lot of people hoping to take him out, so much so they've formed a coalition of opposition.

[Taverner]

56. I WAS a Chavez defender

But once he took out the equivalent of FOX Venezuela, I knew it was going to go downhill from there

This is why you shouldn't have Presidents for life - FDR knew this

[boppers]

3. ...and the dude is Catholic.

SMH

[bitchkitty]

21. What does that have to do with anything? n/t

[boppers]

72. He's being slammed for a "genetic" heritage, and religion he is not part of.

There is no such thing as a "jewish" gene, but don't tell uneducated 3rd world politicians that.... science freaks them out.

[joshcryer]

4. The Guardian has a video with a translation:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/feb/16/hugo-chavez-opposition-low-life-pig

I can't in-line it, but the translation is accurate.

[MADem]

6. Good grief--stay classy, Hugo!

President Hugo Chávez on Thursday called the opposition's presidential candidate a "low-life pig", signalling a caustic start to Venezuela's election campaign.

The socialist leader vowed to crush Henrique Capriles in October's vote, branding him an agent of imperialism and oligarchy hiding behind a mask of moderation.

"Now we have the loser, welcome! We're going to pulverise you," he told an audience of medical students. "You have a pig's tail, a pig's ears, you snort like a pig, you're a low-life pig. You're a pig, don't try and hide it." He avoided calling Capriles by name, referring instead to "el majunche", slang for "the crappy one".

[joshcryer]

7. Machado: Insultar a Capriles es insultar a tres millones de venezolanos

Insulting Capriles insults three million Venezuelans (who voted for him): http://www.eluniversal.com/nacional-y-politica/primarias-2012/120216/machado-insultar-a-capriles-es-insultar-a-tres-millones-de-venezolanos

[MADem]

8. The only one talking trash here is Hugo. He's really making an ass of himself.

Will this be his legacy? Film of him calling his opponent a gay Zionist pig?

I don't think he can blame this on "chemo brain." The classy competitors in this contest are the ones who are not named Hugo!

[joshcryer]

10. What's bothering him is that for the first time the opposition isn't taking the bait.

He's a real life troll, this is certainly not the first time he's said something stupid and idiotic like this, but in the past the opposition would bite, feign horrors, act as if Chavez was a Big Meany, and then Chavez would laugh it off and the Venezuelan people would side with Chavez because "it's no big deal." But because the opposition, the rank and file, isn't biting, it's actually causing Chavista's more annoyance. They thrive on being able to control the narrative, and this time it's just not working. You can sense the panic on the Spanish language sites, it's pretty fun to watch.

[MADem]

11. Couldn't happen to a nicer guy. It's about time, too. nt

[Prometheus Bound]

54. I watched the video and he called him no such thing.

I did not once see the words 'gay' or 'Zionist' in the translation.

[MADem]

57. No, he had a minion with a radio show toss out those slurs.

He stuck to calling the guy a pig and insulting his manhood.

[Prometheus Bound]

58. So what! He called Bush the devil.

Did you clutch your pearls over that slur too?

[MADem]

63. "Clutch your pearls?" Really? nt

[harmonicon]

29. What's wrong with calling him a pig?

I think a guy who makes statements about his sexual promiscuity probably is a pig. There's no reason for politicians to deal with one another with kid gloves as far as I'm concerned. Politicians in the US make statements that are far worse, but they shudder it in bullshit so as to not be textbook racists, bigots, etc.

[MADem]

31. If you can't figure it out, I can't help you.

Did you watch the provided video? Go on and have a look if you haven't.

If you have already, and you still can't see what is "wrong" with the Fearless Leader's remarks, then there's just no point in continuing this discussion.

[harmonicon]

33. Video? Huh? nt.

[MADem]

40. In Josh's link--post 4. nt

[harmonicon]

50. Ok, I've now watched it.

I stand by my earlier comments.

[joshcryer]

59. Is he also a majunche?

[Behind the Aegis]

5. Anti-semitism and a dash of homophobia, it would seem.

Can't say I am overly surprised.

[EX500rider]

17. "it's a mistranslation!!!" lol

Last edited Sat Feb 18, 2012, 03:26 PM - Edit history (1)

"It's the lying press!!"

"He gives away free oil!!"

"The US invaded Iraq!!"

"Colombia did something worse!!"

What am i missing?

[slackmaster]

18. You forgot "Democratically elected!"

[EX500rider]

19. Maybe not for long though, huh? lol n/t

[ronnie624]

24. Utilizing the facts is the best tool against the mindless vilification process. n/t

[EX500rider]

51. More like changing the subject when it's about a Chavez screw up. n/t

[ronnie624]

20. If the Venezuelan government was a U.S. backed dictatorship,

it would have never been thrust upon your consciousness by the U.S. media establishment. You wouldn't care about it in the least.

[EX500rider]

22. "If the Venezuelan government was a U.S. backed dictatorship.."

Then it wouldn't have achieved Sainthood status by a portion of DU either.

We'd all agree it sucked.

[ronnie624]

23. Only if Venezuela was currently a dictatorship, which it isn't.

Chavez was legally elected in closely monitored elections.

I don't know how you define 'dictatorship'.

[nanabugg]

37. Hugo is a target by the Neo-cons.

Iraq,Libya,Iran,Cuba,...targets all. Remember Chavez has in some recent statements supported Iran, Libya. After our failed coup in Venezuela ( supported and maybe even instigated by known Zionists inside the country, cloaked in anti-Communist, anti-dictator bull) all the gloves are off against Hugo. No matter that the majority of his people love and support him but his socialist agenda is just too much for the neo-con corporatists to handle. S. America is embracing socialism of a different kind and the US is on the wrong side of history in this quest.

[EX500rider]

46. Did I say it was one? n/t

[dipsydoodle]

27. What are you missing ?

If you'd been here on DU for more than 3 months you wouldn't ask the question.

[EX500rider]

45. Actually I've been on DU every day for the last 6 years or so...just 'cause i just

started posting doesn't mean I haven't been here, sorry.

[dipsydoodle]

52. Your profile says you've been here since Nov 2011

number of posts have got sfa to do with it.

[EX500rider]

53. Well it turns out you can actually read posts at DU and not be signed up...who knew?! n/t

[fascisthunter]

80. reich wingie....

[EX500rider]

82. "reich wingie...."

WTF is that suppose to mean?

Didn't know worship of Chavez was a requirement, sorry.

Lets see, I am atheist, pro legalization, pro-choice and support Obama so stick your "reich wingie...." where the sun don't shine.

[bitchkitty]

93. So who were you before?

Because I would believe you, see, because you posted it on a forum...

[EX500rider]

94. Before what? n/t

[EX500rider]

48. Yes, no one achieves wisdom till they have a high post count...snort...lol n/t

[fascisthunter]

79. wow... you've been here a long time

new name?

[EX500rider]

81. "wow... you've been here a long time new name?"

Naw, just been reading DU from the sidelines, just decided to finally sign up.
Like all the links to different sources of LBN and enjoy reading the spirited back & forth.

[David__77]

35. It's hard to forgive those who support fascist coup attempts.

The Venezuelan people have every right to hate fascists totally and completely.

Chavez has done more for gay rights in Venezuela than any other president of that country - that is for certain.

I hope that the election comes off peacefully and that the people of that country exercise their franchise fully.

[Archae]

42. "Done more for gay rights?"

Maybe in his own country, although his cronies making up gay slurs does put a dent in that saintly "halo."

But one of Chavez's best buddies, the President of Iran, what has he done for gay rights?

[dipsydoodle]

43. The subject is Chavez - not his cronnies

Having said that if you want to belittle yourself in a vague attempt to enlarge the subject then feel free.

[Archae]

44. What has Mr "Gay Rights" Chavez said about Iran's record on gay rights?

Nothing, of course. Iran can butcher all the gays they want to, while Saint Hugo just sits back and cozies up to that theocratic bastard.

[EX500rider]

49. That's a good one as it is SOP for Chavez fans to do exactly that...

...Colombia did this, the US did that, etc...

[EX500rider]

47. Do you mean Chavez's attempted military coup he was arrested for or another one? lol n/t

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[joshcryer]

84. Just a clarification here, Capriles did not support the coup, and Chavez' own judges...

...exonerated him of that. It was because during the unrest the Cuban embassy was surrounded and Capriles jumped the wall and went in there to calm the situation and assure the Cuban ambassadors that he would take care of the mob. It was spun that Capriles single handedly led the entire mob.

I expect Capriles to win the elections, it will be tight, but once all is said and done I expect the vote to come out in his favor.

I say this because the Chavezista's (and Chavez himself) are already trying to put doubt in the veracity of Venezuelan Elections (which is by itself a laugh because there just is no way to game the system without it being obvious, if you want I can explain why, it's rather brilliant and we should adopt it). They know momentum is not on their side. A little known fact, but one of the big reasons Chavez was voted into office was because there was a high murder rate in Venezuela. It has jumped to ten times what it was when Chavez was sworn in. The Venezuelan people have had enough.

[David__77]

86. He violated the embassy. That is illegal.

He will not become president of Venezuela.

[joshcryer]

87. Yes. With good intentions. I doubt he realized what he was doing.

Doesn't change the fact that he was exonerated.

And only 9 more months before we see who the next President of Venezuela is.

[David__77]

88. It's true...

I'm merely venturing a less-than-expert guess.

I could certainly foresee a possibility of something causing the elections to be disrupted fundamentally.

[Taverner]

55. Chavez has been hanging out with Mahmoud for too long...

What's the saying, power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely?

[Odin2005]

61. And to think I used to like this guy. *Shakes Head*

Oh well, we still have Morales.

[fascisthunter]

77. Is this leveled at Chavez or

"a wave of his supporters written attacks by President Hugo Chavez's supporters against Venezuela's opposition leader."
http://news.yahoo.com/chavez-foe-seen-victim-anti-semitism-venezuela-184759704.html

Who are they, and does Chavez agree. Simple questions I would expect answers for.

[joshcryer]

83. Why would a fascisthunter care whether Chavez agrees?

Chavez, being someone who has had decree powers for around half of his tenure.

[Zorro]

85. Chavez still has the emergency powers granted to him 14 months ago

Sounds quite similar to the emergency decree that granted power to Hitler after the Reichstag fire.

A true fascist hunter would recognize the similarities.

[bitchkitty]

92. A true Zorro wouldn't be carrying water for corporatists either. n/t

[fascisthunter]

96. keep up the propaganda!

it may work one of these days

[fascisthunter]

95. why wouldn't I ask

I'm looking for the truth is all, can you handle that?

[leftynyc]

90. What surprises me is that anyone is surprised

Chavez and his supporters sound just like the madman from Iran, his bestest buddy.