Top GOP Senator Says "If Romney loses Michigan, We Need a New Candidate"

[Kurmudgeon]

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/02/top-gop-senator-says-if-romney-loses-michigan-we-need-a-new-candidate/

"We’d get killed,” the senator said if Romney manages to win the nomination after he failed to win the state in which he grew up.

“He’d be too damaged,” he said. “If he can’t even win in Michigan, where his family is from, where he grew up.”

What about Rick Santorum?

“He’d lose 35 states,” the senator said, predicting the same fate for Newt Gingrich.

It would have to be somebody else, the senator said. Who?

“Jeb Bush,” the former Florida governor."

[rocktivity]

1. If this "top GOP senator" is so "top"

why did he or she tell the reporter not to use his or her name?


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[nxylas]

7. If I was speaking that candidly...

...I'd want to remain anonymous too.

[caseymoz]

56. Because he'd quickly become less top.

Showing panic publicly right would undercut what's left of the GOP strategy. Though it's definitely to be expected.

[roguevalley]

81. Another bush is all they got? Bring it. All of his racism in the capital will come out.

[MADem]

115. McCain? Sounds kinda like him...but he's a Romney supporter! nt

[Bucky]

119. No, you missed the point. He's a Senator, but he insists that he's a "top".

Which is ridiculous. Everyone knows that the bankers are the ones on top.

[rocktivity]

125. Bad Bucky! BAD!!!

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[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

2. Sure

The American people are just dying to vote for another member of the BFEE.

[Fearless]

3. I can't wait for them to come to an impasse at the Convention and ask to phone a friend.

[Drunken Irishman]

4. They'll just throw a dart at the board and say, "fuck it..."

Or do a spin wheel type thing.

[caseymoz]

57. Then, for the first time in fifty years

a Convention would actually decide something rather than be a pure circus and party.

And you know, it might actually happen. If it continues this pathetically, they might actually ask a totally unexpected, non-candidate to run.

But, of course, then Romney or Sanatorum might go Independent and really torpedo the party in November, and possibly create a real, enduring split.

[KamaAina]

70. The one most likely to go indie would be Newt

he's got both the gigantic ego and the foreign casino money to do it.

[caseymoz]

73. That's true, and he might do it anyway.

He knows at this age this is his last chance at the Presidency, and he's malicious enough to do it out of spite.

[MrModerate]

84. I don't think it's malice . . .

I think it's arrogance. He's an adrenaline junkie and can't imagine settling back into the role of 'failed candidate.'

[caseymoz]

85. That's a very thin line.

In a political campaign, what would be the source of adrenaline? Anger.

[xtraxritical]

100. He's a third rate history teacher and fourth rate authour

trying to huckster some books and raise some speaking fees. This is the last I will ever honor the schmuck by writing about him.

[jerryster]

86. And furious about Iowa.

I think he is so enraged about Iowa that he may be willing to do anything to keep Romney from being elected. (Note: I think it's all moot. After last week I think the Presidential contest is over. Obama is re-elected).

I'm wondering if he's pissed off enough to encourage Ron Paul to run as indie and maybe throw Texas into Obama's column. It's far fetched, I know. But that would be awesome. Plus, we'd have the fringe benefit of watching Rick "oops' Perry absolutely squirm. How much fun would that be?

[Doc Holliday]

88. At the risk of sounding condescending

you can't know much about Texas if you can say that.

Texas Republicans would rather put clothespins on their noses and vote en masse for Ron Paul than take a chance on re-electing Obama. The mentality is "anyone but Obama." In a pinch, they'd even vote for Romney.

[jerryster]

91. But if Ron Paul AND Romney were both on the ballot?

I know it's not going to happen, but I was talking about the 2 of them splitting the repub vote there and allowing Obama to sneak thru. Not going to happen, I know, but it would make my day!! And yours, too!!

[Doc Holliday]

95. Well, yes, it would.

But I don't believe in Santa Claus anymore.

[NOI4I]

98. Paul's chances..

Equals Zero

[PatrynXX]

112. well sure if Ron Paul was the top ticket

but not second fiddle. been thru this before with palin.

[sofa king]

96. Can you believe it?

Lately I've been comparing the Republican Party to a melting peanut butter cup, with a thin shell of evil trying desperately to contain the oozing mass of stupid inside.

Yes, this is a throwaway election with throwaway candidates that never stood a chance. But now their own indifference and inability to steer their own electorate through the stupid wedge-issues with which they've mined the political field over the past three decades threatens to split the electorate along a thousand imaginary lines of hatred and destroy them for good.

Even better than that, it's the suit-Republicans who are looking to get tossed overboard first. That's really bad news for the oligarchs who cannot hope to control this country without harnessing the hatred and fear of its most ignorant citizens.

There's just too many things for a Republican to hate for them to love anything or anyone, anymore.

This might be "buh-bye" for them, unless they do the predictable thing and start working outside the law.

They will.

[caseymoz]

117. You're right, except . . .

Those constituents still have nowhere else to go and need Limbaugh and Fox News to constantly reinforce their fantasies. They have to be astroturfed. They'll only split into factions if the landscapers do.

It's not exactly that they're stupid, though that's getting to be a severe problem with the mis-education they've accepted. They just want and need to believe what they're being fed. It's a constituency that functions as a marketing niche, too, and much better at the latter than the former.

[sofa king]

122. I think that's the problem.

The code of the right-wing authoritarian is cracked, like the cheat sheet on the back of an old Playboy centerfold. Win their trust, make them feel special and part of a majority, feed 'em a steady diet of hostility to social out-groups, thump the bible, and then scare the living shit out of them to keep them voting against their own best interests. Almost one out of four voters in the bag, right there.

The problem is that right now RWAs are being 'turfed in multiple directions at the same time. As you noted, right-wing authoritarians require, above all else, authorities they trust to provide them with the opinions that they think they have.

But those authorities are all busy discrediting and contradicting one another, each attempting to bend the opinions of that demographic to their own ends.

That they will vote against President Obama is certain; therefore none of the contestants--a number which goes far beyond these clownish candidates--are bothering to address that.

I think that there is an excellent chance that many of these voters will be contradicted straight out of interest in the race, while still others can be split off or nullified by stupid get-out-the-hate drives like this birth control circus, and more led astray by a third-party breakoff from the likes of Paul or Gingrich.

Whomever those powers are who are vying for control of the RWA mind, I think they're all flailing because they no longer have the power or the ability to invoke fear in their constituents. That's the magic ingredient that lines them up and gets them to the booth.

I fully expect one or more of the competing conservative powers to resort to that, but I have no idea how or when.

[caseymoz]

123. I think when they said Obama was a Nazi

and the storm troopers never showed up at the door, that was a pretty big discredit right there. You might call that "overreach."

[krispos42]

90. *click* "Will the owner of a 2008 Mercedes E350...."

"... Virginia place WZ-77423, please see an usher immediately? You've been drafted as our nominee."

[a2liberal]

92. I was going to nominate this

for a DUzy before I saw the username... Are you eligible?

[krispos42]

107. Hell yeah! n/t

[Denver Donkeys]

121. And the owner of the 2008 Mercedes E350 with VA plates turns out to be..

a Saudi royality that has a home in Bumsville, VA?

[krispos42]

124. Which would effectively be the same result!

[msongs]

5. they will have a candidate chosen by repub primary voters. that's democracy num nuts nt

[PDJane]

6. If you really believe that,

you haven't been watching the primaries closely enough.

Hell, the Romney bunch have been manipulating the primaries! What happens when one of their picks hits the presidential race itself?

[Chemisse]

8. There is no obligation for the winner of the primaries to be nominated at the convention.

A brokered convention is looking more and more likely.

[ChairmanAgnostic]

9. Sarah! Sarah! Sarah!

[eyewall]

39. Bring back Herman Cain!

[ChairmanAgnostic]

43. That's Herb to you.

[eyewall]

45. Bring back Herb Cain!

and Mrs P for Veep!

[ChairmanAgnostic]

55. LOL!

Let's fill it the rest of the cabinet

Michelle Bachmann
sickretary of state

Pat Robertson
Health and human services

John Bolton
Secretary of defense

Who would get Commerce, Interior, EPA, ICE, and others?

[eyewall]

60. Brownie for EPA

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He'd do a heck'uv a job!

[Carla in Sequim]

118. Don't forget Pat Buchanan

for DOJ civil rights division!

[Arugula Latte]

62. I miss the real Herb Cain.

He was an essential part of the San Francisco Chronicle for decades:

[eyewall]

65. I always enjoyed his column.

[Arugula Latte]

66. Me too. When I was young and footloose

I'd occasionally see him hanging out in San Francisco bars and clubs with people fifty years his junior. My mom would occasionally send him in items, and a few times he printed her jokes.

[eyewall]

67. that's cool - good City memories

[jerryster]

93. Does he look at all...

like Ed Koch to anyone else?

[eyewall]

111. well, he certainly doesn't look like

Herman Cain.

[sarcasmo]

31. +1

[JJW]

10. It is very likely that Ricky can't win his home state (PA) also

Here's God giving the Queen of the tundra, Sarah Palin, an open door to burst through.

[pangaia]

26. Sarah and ricky

The Ayatollista and the Ayallolah !

[caseymoz]

58. And she'd sink like Rick Perry.

She's as gaffe-prone and idiot sounding as he was.

[NOI4I]

99. Why

Would you think that?

[cstanleytech]

11. Makes me wonder if nominating Jeb wasnt their goal all this time.

By doing what they have done with the ones running now its distracted the dems and reduced the time for them to form a truly good counter to a Jeb candidacy.

[SmellyFeet]

16. You're kidding, right?

Please tell me you are not serious?

[cstanleytech]

63. I said it only made me wonder not that it was a fact.

[Joe Bacon]

22. It's what I've said all along.

I've said from the start of this circus that Jeb would be drafted. And if Frothy wins Michigan, it will happen!

[eggplant]

28. My prediction from way back was...

...a brokered convention resulting in a Jeb/Newt ticket. Eerie.

[LongTomH]

36. Jeb/Newt? That's Revenge of The Sith!!!!

Campaign slogan: "If you like d Dubya, you'll love Jeb. All the evil and smarts too!

[liberalhistorian]

35. Except that I think that Jeb is smart enough to recognize

that this isn't his year, that he's better off waiting until the wide-open year of 2016. Unlike George, he actually has some brains. He may use those brains for Machievellian purposes, but he does have some. He know, thus, that it's too soon for another Bush and that he'd have far more of an uphill battle than four years from now.

Also, he's nowhere near as "aw shucks" appealing to the masses as George was. He comes across as really arrogant, know-it-all and aloof, and that is a major turn-off for a great many voters and he knows it. We may pooh=pooh the fact that a lot of Americans base their votes on who they'd "want to have a beer with", but the fact is that, for too many of them, that is the case, which is a large part of how George got in. As bullshit as it was, he was seen as a "regular" guy, whereas Gore and Kerry were both seen as aloof elitists (again, bullshit, but that was the perception, and perception trumps reality in politics most of the time). Jeb, however, does not have that "aura" and that will be a real turn-off.

[RevStPatrick]

40. Abso-frikkin'-lutely...

He's waiting until 2016, when he won't get trounced by the incumbent.

Jeb just turned 59 years old a week ago.
He'll be 63 in '16, which is still young enough.
He's the brother with the brains, so he knows that, as you say, this is not his year.
He knows that the horrors that his brother inflicted upon us are still fresh enough in enough people's minds, that he won't stand a chance. Yet.
And frankly, I don't think, as evil as they are, that the Bush family wants to be responsible for dragging the first African-American president through the mud, and defeating him in his re-election bid.
They may be evil, but they're not stupid.
And they try to show some class, even if it's easy to see through it if you are paying attention.

No, Jeb won't be the nominee, no matter how much they may beg him to be...

[Vincardog]

47. I agree with your analysis except for the part about not wanting to "dragging the first African-

American president through the mud".
I believe they only care if they could win and if they won how much could they steal.
This family has been on the wrong side of history at every turn.
From Hitler's Banker to the S&L fiasco to NCLB for profit to the Crash of 2008.
They have no compunction about dragging anyone thru the mud.

[KansDem]

48. This election's GOP candidate will be a "sacrifice."

Just like Bob Dole in 1996. No really viable GOPer will run this time as they won't want to be tainted in 2016.

The question should be, "Is the USA ready for a third Bush?"

[Auntie Bush]

114. I hope you are Psychic!

[eyewall]

41. I've said the same thing too

all through the debates.

Jeb would be the real candidate, pulled out of a hat at the last minute. Actually, I wouldn't be surprised to see a Manchurian Candidate scenario by the repubs to gain national sympathy for their side. They would do such a thing.

Watch your back Mittens.

edited: I know this is a wild speculation of a very negative situation and I hope it doesn't violate any DU rules. It's something that just occurred to me so I said it. (the Manchurian C thing)

[xxqqqzme]

51. I've been saying this for a long time.

Th party in complete disarray - disaster convention coming up - jebster steps out of the shadows, into the light and becomes the savior of the party.

[xtraxritical]

104. What about cry baby Bohner? eom

[thesquanderer]

12. Sarah just started to drool, but Chris Christie is the threat...

...although Sarah is starting to look like a good candidate... for Celebrity Apprentice.

[Nay]

13. I think they know they will lose this one no matter who they put forward, and truly they don't care.

Four more years of a black guy they can blame for the mess? Heaven. The only thing they don't like about this scenario is only being able to partially rape the country, instead of full-on pillage. They're perfectly happy to keep stonewalling until 2016, when the mindless lemmings will have forgotten all about the tainted Bushes and will happily vote for Jeb. Believe me, if they'll vote for a complete nut godbag like Santorum, they'll vote for Jeb.

[PSPS]

19. You're right, they know they won't win. Everything now is geared to winning races down the ticket.

That's why they're going for the silly "social issues" like contraception and "teh gay." If they can motivate the crazies to go to the polls and vote against their best interest (as usual,) they might be able to hold onto the house, although that seems more unlikely by the day.

[book_worm]

14. Jeb!! if they want to pull another Bush out of the hat

I think they are mistaken.

[INdemo]

15. Why was Papa Bush and Jeb at the White House a couple

weeks ago...unexpected vist...just happen to be in DC..that just dont happen..

[eyewall]

42. yikes

I didn't know that happened.

creepy.

[emulatorloo]

82. In town for a dinner. Jeb was getting an award.

[dipsydoodle]

17. Dog says

[sakabatou]

105. I'm gonna steal that

[dipsydoodle]

106. Don't worry me none

How do you think I got it.

[MADem]

116. This poster wins the thread! NT

[BeyondGeography]

18. Yeah, your party has needs, Mr. Top GOP Senator

Lots of needs. No silver bullets out there for you either.

[kemah]

20. Let's all go vote for Ricky. Obama must be the luckiest person

Michigan has an open primary and we need to make sure that Ricky gets his win. Thanks rush for the giving us your insight on how to play the game.

[TahitiNut]

110. Yup. As a Michigander, I'll probably go vote for the Frothy One.

I'm in Oakland County, so every vote AGAINST the Nit-Mitt counts, I'm thinking.

[4dsc]

21. Republicans are looking more and more toward Jeb.

I have talked to a couple of my republican fiends and they mentioned Jeb's name as an alternative to the field they have now. I just laughed.

[kemah]

23. It is not the messenger but their message that is killing them

The GOP candidates are pretty much have the same agenda. so, it really doesn't matter who wins the GOP primaries. The crowd applauding for their agenda pretty much tells you where their heads are at. They can get the pick of the GOP litter, and they will still lose.

Their actions on the state level have pretty much awaken the populace to their anti middle class and their worship for the 1% at all costs. The payroll tax holiday debate, says that tax cut for the working class very bad idea, but tax cut to an unemployed person making $52,000 per hour is a great idea and it will pay for itself in the Cayman Islands. How can you run on that agenda?

[TheCowsCameHome]

24. This keeps getting better and better..........

I hope it never ends.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

25. yes, I was wondering when Jeb would appear

[lunatica]

27. That definitely has the nauseating stench of desperation all over it

[Iliyah]

29. Hey they have "frosty"

who wants to take away my freedom to worship religion the way I feel more comfortable with, my rights as a women, and general civil rights.

He represents the 1%. This gop party has lost their minds. What they are trying to do in America is un-Amercian.

[sarcasmo]

30. Cue the Star Wars theme,

as Jeb walks to the stage.

[lastlib]

32. Jeb will lose 45 states

If he doesn't, I'm moving to Australia.

I will do everything in my power to make sure he never gets close to the White House.

[SmellyFeet]

33. Look for a third party candidate (Paul, Trump, etc..) to jump in if that happens.

Republicans would look like fools and would lose badly, even if it was Jeb.

[russspeakeasy]

34. I would give $100 for a Trump / Palin ticket.

[Fly by night]

108. I just want the bumper sticker: Trump/Palin 2012: "You're fired!! I quit!!"

[russspeakeasy]

113. WOW!! That's funny !

[JustABozoOnThisBus]

37. I doubt if Jeb wants any part of this

Repubs will lose in 2012. Why should Jeb board a sinking ship?

I bet he'll be running in 2016, when Democrats will be too busy eating their own, and won't pay attention to Republican candidates.

[BadtotheboneBob]

38. No way they'd pick Jeb Bush

... Playing 'Devil's Advocate' here, they'd be far better off with a 'Moderate' like Pawlenty or Huntsman. The GOP is so worried about 'playing to their base' when they should be worried about 'playing to the American people'. Particularly those 'Independents' that eagerly voted for Obama that are now questioning that choice. Face it. They are. I hear it all the time. The Independent vote is larger, IMO, than the dedicated Left and/or Right and this November the candidates need to remember that. So, stand by for candidate Obama to espouse positions and say things that you may not like. He knows he has your vote (and mine). It's the Independent vote that will, or won't, re-elect him and he knows that fact. That's how I see it...

[wordpix]

103. I really don't think the stupids in the GOOP even analyze it that far

They don't have the ability

[Gringostan]

44. American people tell the GOP

American people tell the GOP - you need a new party.

[IDemo]

46. Not gonna happen...wouldn't be prudent

to quote Bush Sr.

[mahina]

49. Can't always get what you need.

They need a different candidate to sell their anti-woman, anti-middle class, anti-civil rights, anti-American agenda? Or maybe a rethinking of the agenda?

I think their current pitchmen are just fine at the job. It's not their fault the message is rejected by Americans. It's the message itself that is perfectly designed for the round file. There's no way to rethink the message and continue to do the bidding of the 1%, Kochs, and all.

Bit of a tough spot they've backed themselves into. My heart bleeds for them.

[AllyCat]

50. How many places is Rmoney from anyway?

It seems like all of them are from about 5 or 6 places.

[xxqqqzme]

53. He may be 'from'

Michigan but he never bothered to buy a house there or convince one of his sons to live there w/ a basement mittens can call 'home'.

[JCMach1]

52. JEBtm is the only candidate that has cred

with all the insane parts of the Repug party.

But I wouldn't expect that until 2016.

Although I wouldn't rule out a VP appearance...

[caseymoz]

54. Good. He'll only lose 30 states.

Repubs have labored hard to bury the memory of who was White House 2001-2009. As the memory of the Iraqi and Afghan wars and the scandal that ruined the economy continue to congeal, as they will, they're not going to want the worst Presidency in history brought up every day for the next four years.

Bush is a "damaged brand." No way will they vote for anybody with that last name now.

Whoever is saying this is dreaming. The Repubs are doomed in November. And it's their own doing, the only consolation to watching them ruin the country.

The only question now is just how much of Congress can they hang on to. I hope they take a real bath there, too.

[stockholmer]

59. I'm sticking to my guns, top of the GOP ticket will be chosen from this group: Bob McDonnell, David

Petraeus (if Iran war and false flag terror ensues), Jeb Bush, and Chris Christie.

Possible VP's include Santorum or even Romney (to get the brokered deal finalised), Mitch Daniels, John Thune, Rob Portman, Jon Kyl, Marco Rubio (lots of corruption baggage or he would be the VP shoe-in unless the top was Jeb, as they cannot both be from same state), Susana Martinez, Paul Ryan, or one of the 4 possible 'top-of-the-tickets' from the top.

The danger is that the Rethugs can tailor a candidate to the exact circumstances of the last couple of months (ie the above-mentioned war with Iran, false flag terror in US homeland, huge economic melt-down, etc). The top candidate also will not be trashed out from the bruising primary fight.

On the flip side, they also will not as vetted in the public arena as the clown car drivers currently in the race.

[ingac70]

61. Does Michigan have an open primary?

Because if it does I'd make damn sure Santorum won.... I voted for that prick in TN's primary.... the GOP deserves the humiliation.

[BadtotheboneBob]

69. Yes, but they've changed the law...

... making who voted in what primary a matter of public record.

[Arugula Latte]

64. If they really do impose a candidate at the convention

wouldn't that also result in a crushing loss for the GOP? I mean, won't voters who took the time to vote and caucus be pretty darn turned off to the whole thing?

[thesquanderer]

68. "Looks like we're gonna need another Timmy..." (n/t)

[AndyTiedye]

71. if (strstr(candidate.name,"Bush")) candidate.votes += 5000000;

I am afraid the above code may not have been expunged from the voting machinez yet. Very afraid.

[lovemydog]

72. they don't need a new candidate

they need new policy

[The Wizard]

74. After Romney

gets sick and Santorum gets committed they'll have to choose another psychopath.

[zentrum]

75. They absolutely don't care.

They have moved on from the Presidency, seeing it as more and more a figure head and less and less the seat of real power and control. They are focused 1000% on the House and Senate and Supreme Court.

Once you control those branches, it really doesn't matter who is in the WH. Especially if the person in there is not tough or good at pro-actively framing the issues and using the bully pulpit--something which O has been terrible at until just the last 5 months. I think an isolated President will be easy to intimidate until 2016. And that's their plan.

[hay rick]

77. If they had a Republican president they wouldn't have anybody to blame.

Bipartisan Barack will give them 90% of what they want anyway and when the country continues on its downward trajectory they can still blame him. Losing the presidency is win-win for the Republicans and the plutocrats who own their souls.

[glowing]

76. Why does the GOP think for one minute the

Bush Family would be welcome back into the White House? Both the others were failures for our nation; and look at Florida. The Republicans have ruined this state. That anonymous Senator is still in la la land if he thinks another Bush is their saving face of their crazy ass party.

[efhmc]

87. Did a good job at ruining this state. Their parting gift to us was putting

perry into office.

[progress2k12nbynd]

78. Question to those with more political acumen:

Is there any advantage to the current hyper-confidence being displayed on here? I fear we're going to get lazy; many DU'ers in early 2004 thought there was NO WAY Bush/Cheney would be in the White House a year later.

[OmahaBlueDog]

80. And now the seed planting for the GOP convention hijack has begun

There's going to be an August surprise. A new candidate will be found. Jeb or Christie.

[DallasNE]

83. Republicans Can't Stand Jeb Bush On Immigration

And that is a core issue with the Tea Party. Sarah, Sarah, Sarah!

[genna]

89. Duh to Newt and Rick but Jeb BUSH reALLY!

Are they crazy enough to believe we will pick a 3rd Bush after the 2nd one cratered our way of life for at least a decade if not more?!

We need a strong opposition party to question the assumptions of what our government is doing. With Obama taking these moderate Republican positions and them talking about contraception/sonograms and other crazily out of touch positions, where is our choice or anyone elses? What happened to representing the democratic wing of the Democratic Party?

If you have crazy and not good (this targeting Americans for detention without trial and assassinations is wigging me out), what sane person would not choose not good? Crazy is talking about women not having access to these cumbersome, new fangled scientific procedures and saying the earth was founded to serve man?

Where has our democracy gone?

[wordpix]

102. Answer: yes, they are crazy enough, and bought/sold enough to want another *

[jimmac1959]

94. BUSH

i would think country is still too BUSH-ED ?? i would think bully in new jersey.

[NOI4I]

97. It makes sense

Especially in face of lack of enthuisiasm for him over all.

[wordpix]

101. hmm...who wants another Bush in the WH?

Grassley? Lindsay Graham? McCain? McConnell?

[Fly by night]

109. Everyone seems most afraid of Ron Paul (especially the corporate media)

That's why I voted for him in the Republican primary here in TN. (Our primaries are open.)

If I had voted in the Democratic primary, I would have written in Thomas Paine or Nat Turner for President.

[WilmywoodNCparalegal]

120. Afraid of Ron Paul?

How is his dismal performance so far and low percentage of votes received, not to mention that he normally turns up a far fourth among the remaining GOP candidates, evidence of 'everyone seems most afraid of Ron Paul'?

[CindyT44]

126. the cake is baked anyway

the only question is how many electoral votes Obama wins

A Romney/Rubio ticket probably pushes Obama's total to the low 300s; anybody of the current options and it is over 400; if they draft Bush or Daniels or Christie to run on short notice with no money, the best they can hope for is a maybe 350 to 400.