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Bosonic

(3,746 posts)
Fri Jul 26, 2013, 06:49 PM Jul 2013

Pro-Mursi vigils to be brought to an end -Egypt interior minister

Source: Reuters

CAIRO, July 26 (Reuters) - Sit-in protests in Cairo by supporters of Egypt's deposed Islamist president will be "brought to an end soon and in a legal manner," interim Interior Minister Mohamed Ibrahim was quoted as saying by state-run news website al Ahram.

Ibrahim said the protests would be cleared in line with complaints filed by residents in the area. Supporters of deposed leader Muhamed Mursi's Muslim Brotherhood have been manning two main vigils in the capital for a month, demanding Mursi be reinstated after his July 3 overthrow by the army.

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Pro-Mursi vigils to be brought to an end -Egypt interior minister (Original Post) Bosonic Jul 2013 OP
Anyone starting to think that Murbarak shouldn't have been thrown under the bus? Or Qaddafi, Purveyor Jul 2013 #1
In fact, it looks more and more like Chile Mass Jul 2013 #2
It was the marketing. MyNameGoesHere Jul 2013 #3
It's Chile almost in textbook form Scootaloo Jul 2013 #7
Except Morsi is NO Allende Taverner Jul 2013 #8
Back in 2002, would you have supported a military coup against GWB? Scootaloo Jul 2013 #14
I think the Egyptian military has so far been very gentle compared with Chile. David__77 Jul 2013 #9
Now, there's a talking point for Sisi: "I'm not quite as bad as Pinochet." Comrade Grumpy Jul 2013 #10
Do you think Morsi is any better, at all? David__77 Jul 2013 #12
Morsi was the democratically elected president of Egypt. Comrade Grumpy Jul 2013 #13
His party won repeated elections? oberliner Jul 2013 #15
Actually, masses of people are demonstrating for the generals. David__77 Jul 2013 #16
He remains the democratically elected president of Egypt. dipsydoodle Jul 2013 #17
The administration backed Mubarak until the very end - fujiyama Jul 2013 #18
Well, that's cleared up. Igel Jul 2013 #4
I think I'm ready to call it a "coup." snot Jul 2013 #5
The military is off to a good start, gunning down 16 pro-Morsi demonstrators tonight. Comrade Grumpy Jul 2013 #6
Sorry, make that more than 100 gunned down. Comrade Grumpy Jul 2013 #11
All the money poured into this region is a waste fujiyama Jul 2013 #19
 

Purveyor

(29,876 posts)
1. Anyone starting to think that Murbarak shouldn't have been thrown under the bus? Or Qaddafi,
Fri Jul 26, 2013, 07:13 PM
Jul 2013

Hussein, et. al....

Mass

(27,315 posts)
2. In fact, it looks more and more like Chile
Fri Jul 26, 2013, 07:43 PM
Jul 2013

A government that was elected democratically, even if the US do not like the regime. Factions that make sure this does not work and the army takes back the country. Except that until now, Morsi is still alive while Allende was still dead. Otherwise, it feels dangerously like Chile.

 

MyNameGoesHere

(7,638 posts)
3. It was the marketing.
Fri Jul 26, 2013, 07:55 PM
Jul 2013

If they were "The happy shiny people" party instead of the Muslim Brotherhood, those factions wouldn't have cared less.

 

Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)
7. It's Chile almost in textbook form
Sat Jul 27, 2013, 04:20 AM
Jul 2013

Except something tells me more people will die in Egypt than were killed by Pinochet's junta.

 

Taverner

(55,476 posts)
8. Except Morsi is NO Allende
Sat Jul 27, 2013, 01:42 PM
Jul 2013

Under Morsi, persecution of minorities went up, political detentions and arrests went up, etc...

Allende never stifled dissent. And some would argue this was to his peril.

 

Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)
14. Back in 2002, would you have supported a military coup against GWB?
Sat Jul 27, 2013, 05:00 PM
Jul 2013

Would you be so supportive of Republican protestors being gunned down in the streets? I mean, they're no Allende, either.

David__77

(23,503 posts)
9. I think the Egyptian military has so far been very gentle compared with Chile.
Sat Jul 27, 2013, 02:53 PM
Jul 2013

There were no pro-Allende public displays allowed in Chile, that's for sure. These sit-ins and protests have been allowed the whole time. Further, there were no elections planned in Chile like in Egypt, and "Marxism" was banned by the coup forces in Chile, whereas in Egypt the generals have publicly called on MB to work with them (albeit in a submissive position).

 

Comrade Grumpy

(13,184 posts)
13. Morsi was the democratically elected president of Egypt.
Sat Jul 27, 2013, 04:18 PM
Jul 2013

His party won repeated elections. While there was street violence throughout his presidency, I don't recall him using the military or the police to massacre his opponents. (Maybe because the military and police were on the side of his opponents.) He had some authoritarian leanings and was apparently inept. He should have been defeated in the next election.

Look, political Islams represents the views of substantial numbers of people not only in Egypt but throughout the Middle East. It is by its nature conservative and religious. I wouldn't vote for those guys. But it's not my country. If you deny a political space for Islam in a democratic process, you're probably going to end up with more trouble than you imagined.

No, Morsi is not as bad as Sisi, and not even in the same ballpark as Pinochet.

Where are all those liberal secular democrats who were howling for democracy a month ago? Looks like that was all bullshit. It wasn't democracy they wanted, but the power they couldn't win at the ballot box. And now they have a general in charge, one who is massacring the opposition. Sweet.

David__77

(23,503 posts)
16. Actually, masses of people are demonstrating for the generals.
Sat Jul 27, 2013, 06:44 PM
Jul 2013

I don't think there are many in Egypt who call themselves "liberals." Millions mobilized to respond the call of the military to support a campaign against terrorism. MB is a terrorist organization, in Egypt, in Syria, and elsewhere.

fujiyama

(15,185 posts)
18. The administration backed Mubarak until the very end -
Sat Jul 27, 2013, 08:40 PM
Jul 2013

to the point at which it was obvious he wouldn't survive politically.

I think there's a lot to criticize this administration over (and I've been fiercely critical and frustrated over the NSA spying), but Egypt is simply way too far chaotic for this administration to control. I've heard plenty of silly accusations that the US "put the Brotherhood in place" or that Huma was a Brotherhood spy. It goes on and on.

The US government seeks stability - and a government that gets along with Israel - over all else. That's why we've seen few changes regarding military aid over the past several years of political upheaval in the country.

Igel

(35,356 posts)
4. Well, that's cleared up.
Fri Jul 26, 2013, 08:44 PM
Jul 2013

They'll have found justifications for all the things they wanted to do.

I wonder if perhaps "parasitism" won't be a crime, so that if you're one of the Ikhwan the government can just make sure you're fired and then arrest you for not having a job.

No matter. I'm sure that if people complained about the protests in Tahrir Square and Morsi had "cleared them" for violating public order it would have been just fine.

 

Comrade Grumpy

(13,184 posts)
6. The military is off to a good start, gunning down 16 pro-Morsi demonstrators tonight.
Sat Jul 27, 2013, 02:49 AM
Jul 2013

I wonder what those nice Egyptian liberals have to say about that. You know, the ones who tied up the country in mass protests for weeks...without getting gunned down by the military.

fujiyama

(15,185 posts)
19. All the money poured into this region is a waste
Sat Jul 27, 2013, 08:49 PM
Jul 2013

Egypt really isn't all the important, aside from the fact that it's next to Israel and we get them to play nice with each other by buying their love by showering both sides with shiny military toys.

It's a joke. Morsi was a theocratic lunatic who wanted to institute a Sharia government. The current government is an authoritarian military junta. Same shit, different day. Meet the old boss, same as the old. Cue the other cliched phrases...of how as much as things change, they all stay the same. You get the point...

Cut off all the aid and let them decide their own course. And unlike others, I don't lay the blame of any of the instability at this administration's feet anymore than any previous one. They've just followed the same set of failed policies as all administrations have for some three decades...

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