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kpete

(72,027 posts)
Sun Jul 28, 2013, 11:34 AM Jul 2013

80 Percent Of U.S. Adults Face Near-Poverty, Unemployment: Survey

Source: Huffington Post

WASHINGTON — Four out of 5 U.S. adults struggle with joblessness, near-poverty or reliance on welfare for at least parts of their lives, a sign of deteriorating economic security and an elusive American dream.

Survey data exclusive to The Associated Press points to an increasingly globalized U.S. economy, the widening gap between rich and poor, and the loss of good-paying manufacturing jobs as reasons for the trend.

The findings come as President Barack Obama tries to renew his administration's emphasis on the economy, saying in recent speeches that his highest priority is to "rebuild ladders of opportunity" and reverse income inequality.

As nonwhites approach a numerical majority in the U.S., one question is how public programs to lift the disadvantaged should be best focused – on the affirmative action that historically has tried to eliminate the racial barriers seen as the major impediment to economic equality, or simply on improving socioeconomic status for all, regardless of race.

Read more: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/07/28/poverty-unemployment-rates_n_3666594.html

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80 Percent Of U.S. Adults Face Near-Poverty, Unemployment: Survey (Original Post) kpete Jul 2013 OP
Rethugs: our work is nearly done Marthe48 Jul 2013 #1
And still no jobs program... bread_and_roses Jul 2013 #2
Useless statistic: " for at least parts of their lives," MH1 Jul 2013 #3
My parents were 8th grade dropouts and got married at age 16. mbperrin Jul 2013 #16
Not bullshit at all. it's not been that high in perhaps 100 years, so it's inferring a valid point. jtuck004 Jul 2013 #19
People born with silver spoons in their mouth .. don't work either!!! YOHABLO Jul 2013 #24
I'm heaven05 Jul 2013 #4
Why should we? Hydra Jul 2013 #7
yep heaven05 Jul 2013 #9
Overpowering body odor actually could keep you from getting hired. Quantess Jul 2013 #28
cute heaven05 Jul 2013 #30
Are you talking about me? hunter Aug 2013 #47
the worker will rise up lovuian Jul 2013 #5
No They Will Not azbillyboy Jul 2013 #11
how heaven05 Jul 2013 #12
Spot on. Link Speed Jul 2013 #20
I Heard It On Either Hartmann or Rhodes.... azbillyboy Aug 2013 #42
Sponges? warrant46 Aug 2013 #49
"Royal Calving" -- Brigid Jul 2013 #21
I couldn't agree more. It's as if the American public has been hit in the head with a sledge hammer YOHABLO Jul 2013 #25
Or video games... Amonester Jul 2013 #41
And that's a perfect excuse for doing nothing.... socialist_n_TN Jul 2013 #34
Newsflash: the earth is dying NoOneMan Jul 2013 #13
"The Worker Will Rise Up"? Munificence Jul 2013 #39
We Are Now On Our Knees grilled onions Jul 2013 #6
^ This. Pretty much, anyway. nt Poll_Blind Jul 2013 #14
I work for a Fortune 100. Beacool Jul 2013 #8
wow heaven05 Jul 2013 #10
Thank you. Beacool Jul 2013 #23
They LOVE a bad job market and so do the Republicans. It makes you expect less. Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2013 #26
Marx called it the "Surplus Army of Labor".... socialist_n_TN Jul 2013 #35
The really annoying thing is each generation has to re-learn this crap.... Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2013 #37
Sorry if this sounds like a dig DonCoquixote Jul 2013 #38
File under "Poor Democrat Problems". Safetykitten Jul 2013 #15
Hey, I'm one of those. Igel Jul 2013 #17
Obviously the Democrat's fault. Kablooie Jul 2013 #18
Opps, you added that period in the wrong spot. I'll be happy to help you fix it though. cstanleytech Jul 2013 #22
Which demonstrates that the GOP is the party of true Christianity. Kablooie Jul 2013 #27
"It builds character!!" PD Turk Jul 2013 #29
Every day we are reminded of the infinite joys of living in a RW corporatist society wherein indepat Jul 2013 #31
Reagan cut the engines putting us on the glide slope PuffedMica Jul 2013 #32
Damn Shame Sandy one Jul 2013 #33
you're in the right plase, Sandy one Skittles Jul 2013 #36
Everything old is new again Kennah Jul 2013 #40
Americathon Octafish Aug 2013 #44
Meanwhile, Wall Street and corporate profits are at all-time highs... Octafish Aug 2013 #43
Ben Stein was waxing philosophically, he looked around on vacation... soryang Aug 2013 #45
This once great country has been ruined by richie rich and his corporate pigliCONs. lonestarnot Aug 2013 #46
Yeah, the economy is stinkeroo lately. Pterodactyl Aug 2013 #48
Costly trade agreements are to blame. NO TPP, Obama. grahamhgreen Aug 2013 #50
Yeah, the economy has been sucking big time these last five years. Pterodactyl Sep 2013 #51

MH1

(17,608 posts)
3. Useless statistic: " for at least parts of their lives,"
Sun Jul 28, 2013, 12:03 PM
Jul 2013

I mean, come on. Everybody is unemployed at some point in their lives, unless born with a silver spoon in their mouth, right?

No doubt that economic polarization is increasing drastically, with bad consequences for lots of people, and something should be done.

But starting an article with such a bullshit-sounding statistic is not helpful. JMHO.

mbperrin

(7,672 posts)
16. My parents were 8th grade dropouts and got married at age 16.
Sun Jul 28, 2013, 01:31 PM
Jul 2013

4 kids, my dad was a mechanic, my mother worked at home.

Just to make sure you understand there were no silver spoons at our house.

Since my 14th birthday in 1966, I have never spent a day unemployed.

Yet I'm not rich. Strange, isn't it?

I'm quite sure the SUMMARY statement in the article is correct, and I can tell by looking at our own tenants that things are growing drastically worse in the last decade. And I live right in the middle of what's supposed to be a HOT economy here in west Texas. You cannot imagine the desperate people who come here on their last dime wanting to work and lacking the skills needed for the oil field. As a result, our homeless rate is up drastically, 87% of the kids at my high school qualify for free or reduced lunch.

Yes, things are getting drastically worse.

 

jtuck004

(15,882 posts)
19. Not bullshit at all. it's not been that high in perhaps 100 years, so it's inferring a valid point.
Sun Jul 28, 2013, 02:04 PM
Jul 2013

And, respectfully, the devil is not just in the details, it's all around us.

It doesn't say that sometimes people are between plentiful jobs, or taking a few months off to bike in Europe. It says that they face unemployment - which today means not being able to find ANY work that will let them live with any security, and poverty, something that only about 20-30% of people, among them a large percentage infirmity, inability, or age shaping their condition, used to have to worry about.

Remember when a joint was a place to drink beer? Meanings change over time, and this has too.

Now the chances of a person falling into poverty and staying there until they die are higher for a larger number of people than it was just within their lifetime. Hell, within their grade school kid's lifetime. Perfectly capable people who played by the rules but failed to recognize how the people running their country were, and are, failing them. It is very likely to get worse, with nothing but excuses in response. Not like we haven't been able to see it happening for years, but we keep heading down the same path as before, thinking it is going to take us to a different place this time.

And until working people take up the challenge and responsibility to take their future into their own hands, the thing we quit doing in the early 1900's because life on the plantation looked so much easier, and make sure our resources are invested in each other instead of banks and the wealthy, it's not going to change.

Odds of that happening are probably zero right now, however. Imo, we are too domesticated, and I think things are going to have to fall apart to even give us a chance.

Hydra

(14,459 posts)
7. Why should we?
Sun Jul 28, 2013, 12:34 PM
Jul 2013

While he could help with this, this is how capitalism works. Lots more wealth in fewer and fewer hands. Great, isn't it?

Quantess

(27,630 posts)
28. Overpowering body odor actually could keep you from getting hired.
Sun Jul 28, 2013, 04:43 PM
Jul 2013

But you know, using deodorant or antiperspirant is good advice, especially if you have a job interview that day.

hunter

(38,336 posts)
47. Are you talking about me?
Sun Aug 4, 2013, 11:09 PM
Aug 2013

I always shower before meetings with clients or job interviews.

Beyond that, on the internet nobody knows you're a dog.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nobody_knows_you're_a_dog

lovuian

(19,362 posts)
5. the worker will rise up
Sun Jul 28, 2013, 12:27 PM
Jul 2013

A revolution is coming ......Karl Marx is right ...the worker will rise up

America's Empire is slowly dying just like the British and just like the Roman

Greed and Corruption destroys itself

azbillyboy

(56 posts)
11. No They Will Not
Sun Jul 28, 2013, 12:49 PM
Jul 2013

Prove me wrong but they are too drugged by 35 years of reich wing bullshit. Too lazy and apathetic from watching reality TV or groveling over the royal calving. Things will only get worse until we are all reduced to forty cent an hour peons. And you know what? Most people will accept it. The collective memory of a strong labor movement, a single income earner making enough to support a family, etc.... are all gone... Erased and obliterated.

 

Link Speed

(650 posts)
20. Spot on.
Sun Jul 28, 2013, 02:28 PM
Jul 2013

We have been lulled into A Banana Republic with barely any martial action.

The vast majority of the US populace may as well be a colony of sponges.

azbillyboy

(56 posts)
42. I Heard It On Either Hartmann or Rhodes....
Sun Aug 4, 2013, 01:47 PM
Aug 2013

That we have reached the point in this country where all we can do as a collective is watch OTHER people in OTHER countries reclaim their rights. In short we have passed the point of no return. Spock, if you're listening, beam me out of this toilet!

 

YOHABLO

(7,358 posts)
25. I couldn't agree more. It's as if the American public has been hit in the head with a sledge hammer
Sun Jul 28, 2013, 03:31 PM
Jul 2013

Amonester

(11,541 posts)
41. Or video games...
Mon Jul 29, 2013, 02:25 AM
Jul 2013

Or countless microelectronic gimmicks that make them waste their time more each year.

And I didn't even mention the stupid so-called reality TV 'shows' and the 'idol' series.

socialist_n_TN

(11,481 posts)
34. And that's a perfect excuse for doing nothing....
Sun Jul 28, 2013, 08:07 PM
Jul 2013

The poster you are responding to is correct PROVIDED that Marxists get their message out. Yes, that is difficult to do in today's media climate, but it is happening slowly, but surely. I could give anecdotal instances, but one poll relatively recently (Rasmussen of all things) said that 11% of the population believed in a "communist" United States. That's a pretty sizable chunk of propagandists right there.

As V.I. Lenin once said (paraphrasing), "Sometimes years go by with nothing much happening and then sometimes years go by in months."

 

NoOneMan

(4,795 posts)
13. Newsflash: the earth is dying
Sun Jul 28, 2013, 12:56 PM
Jul 2013

(or rather, our specific life support system).

And putting a friendlier face on earth pillaging isn't going to fix the biggest threat to humanity, which isn't Capitalism as Marx identified it

Munificence

(493 posts)
39. "The Worker Will Rise Up"?
Mon Jul 29, 2013, 12:27 AM
Jul 2013

Notice the quotes in the article from Salyers and then in the next paragraph from Adams.

These types of scenarios are put in articles intentionally to put the thoughts into the workers head that "Hey I better just keep doing what I am doing as if I complain about my $10.00 and hr job then I could end up like these folks".

We are fed this shit from all sides of MSM all the time, little thoughts stuck into hour heads from ALL SIDES!

grilled onions

(1,957 posts)
6. We Are Now On Our Knees
Sun Jul 28, 2013, 12:29 PM
Jul 2013

and it's only a matter of time(not much of it at that) for the 1% to finish us off. Political pundits would have a easy analogy of a beaten fighter who is being finished off while those who bet against him are counting their "spoils" in their front row seats!

Beacool

(30,253 posts)
8. I work for a Fortune 100.
Sun Jul 28, 2013, 12:34 PM
Jul 2013

It's a very large multinational that received bailout money in 2008. They have repaid the money back with interest. But, how have they repaid their employees? By sending as many jobs as they can out of the NY/NJ headquarters to hubs in KS and GA. The new thing this year is the hub they established in the Philippines. We now have a CEO who did something similar to the last company he worked at. He outsourced thousands of jobs. He is recently reported to have said, "Why should I pay someone $50K in the US when I can get 5 people to do the same job in Manila?". The immoral SOB!!!! I would have responded that why should we pay him millions when we could pay a thousand people here in the States to do his job. Last year he was all over the news because, while resting in his villa in a European country, he gave an interview to the media in which he stated that European and US governments should consider raising the retirement age to 70 - 80 years old.

Personally, I was just saved from the latest wave of lay-offs. My boss looked at me two weeks ago and said: "You must have a fairy godmother". Of the four people under consideration in her group, I was the only one staying. Great, but what happens next year when they will probably do another round of lay-offs? This is the second round this year (they did one at the beginning of the year). I feel bad for my coworkers and I will miss them when they leave at the end of August.

These are tough times we live in and what do we hear from politicians? Mostly about scandals and obstructionist Tea Baggers who don't give a crap about the people of the country. A pox on all their heads!!!!!!!!


 

heaven05

(18,124 posts)
10. wow
Sun Jul 28, 2013, 12:49 PM
Jul 2013

dog eat dog capitalism at it's best. The dogs getting eaten? This person has explained it well. And to think 47% of the electorate almost voted in a potus like this dipshit ceo. Good luck!!!

Beacool

(30,253 posts)
23. Thank you.
Sun Jul 28, 2013, 03:22 PM
Jul 2013

There's no such thing as a safe job nowadays. Anyone can get downsized, regardless of how many years of loyal and good work they put in.

 

Spitfire of ATJ

(32,723 posts)
37. The really annoying thing is each generation has to re-learn this crap....
Sun Jul 28, 2013, 08:28 PM
Jul 2013

I bet this all dates back to the time of the first coin.

DonCoquixote

(13,616 posts)
38. Sorry if this sounds like a dig
Sun Jul 28, 2013, 11:23 PM
Jul 2013

But if you want to know why Hillary sets my rage meter off, it is because she supported the outsourcing that you yourself are dealing with, and that helped edge me out of the job market:

Igel

(35,362 posts)
17. Hey, I'm one of those.
Sun Jul 28, 2013, 01:40 PM
Jul 2013

Graduated college, couldn't find work and then found part-time and seasonal work that kept me in poverty.

Then again, that was in 1981-82. But I'm part of that 80%.

My wife was, too. Granted, she had a job lined up before she graduated college, but still--there were 2 months in there two years ago when she was unemployed. So she's part of that 80%.


It's a statistic to scare people. Terrorist journalism. They make the numbers as big as possible by including people that really shouldn't be included. Most of the people in poverty face these problems chronically, but the number of people who face it chronically isn't a truly huge percentage. By including people like me and my wife it devalues the number. "Hey, if I'm included and I've done okay for the last 32 years, then maybe all the other people in poverty are just hitting a rough patch, and next month or two months later they'll be back to their $50 k/year jobs ... too."

Yes, there's a problem there. But bad numbers aren't the way to propagandize it.

Kablooie

(18,641 posts)
18. Obviously the Democrat's fault.
Sun Jul 28, 2013, 01:48 PM
Jul 2013

Democratic high taxes take all the money away from the wealthy so they don't have enough left to create jobs.





cstanleytech

(26,332 posts)
22. Opps, you added that period in the wrong spot. I'll be happy to help you fix it though.
Sun Jul 28, 2013, 02:50 PM
Jul 2013

"Democratic high taxes take all the money away from the wealthy so they don't have enough left to create jobs in the US so they have to offshore the jobs in order to drive wages down in the US so as to make more money for themselves all the while they keep raising their own pay and growing even richer."

Kablooie

(18,641 posts)
27. Which demonstrates that the GOP is the party of true Christianity.
Sun Jul 28, 2013, 04:34 PM
Jul 2013

Republicans know that Jesus Christ wants all true Christians to be obscenely rich, the holy preachers on TV tell them so daily, so if you remain faithful to the Republican party, one day Jesus will make you wealthy too.

PD Turk

(1,289 posts)
29. "It builds character!!"
Sun Jul 28, 2013, 04:56 PM
Jul 2013

That's what I always hear from the apologists from the money grubbers. I guess it did build character when I was young and going through it. But now, at 51, I'm quite the character or so I'm told so I guess I've had enough character building. Now in place of "it builds character" I guess I'd just have to say "this shit gets old"

indepat

(20,899 posts)
31. Every day we are reminded of the infinite joys of living in a RW corporatist society wherein
Sun Jul 28, 2013, 05:54 PM
Jul 2013

almost every act of government is for the welfare of large corporations, the oligarchs, and the uber-wealthy and, coincidently, to the detriment of the general welfare (we the people (99%)).

PuffedMica

(1,061 posts)
32. Reagan cut the engines putting us on the glide slope
Sun Jul 28, 2013, 07:21 PM
Jul 2013

George W. Bush put us into a crash dive.

The obstructionist Republicans are doing their level best to prevent any recovery.

The TeaBaggers blame the black man in the White House.

Sandy one

(24 posts)
33. Damn Shame
Sun Jul 28, 2013, 07:41 PM
Jul 2013

We are cursed with a do absolutely nothing Republican congress that has blocked every job bill and every attempt to help this economy.The banks, home lenders stole and Wall Street, in the open, and S&P,Moodys et al. went along with the gig. Somehow this is the working person's fault. How bizarre. Yet the rich have become so much more wealthy by not creating jobs but by cutting back,sending jobs overseas,layoffs and increasing dividends thereby increasing their own income. CEO pay is wild.The little guys and retirees have been destroyed by zero interest on safe CD's even though they did everything right. Now the GOP solution is to cut back on education, social programs, infrastructure, healthcare and try their best to destroy social security by giving it away to Wall Street. The middle class tea party, blinded by some of their leader's hate and bigotry does not understand that they are victims too.Yep, how bizarre.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
43. Meanwhile, Wall Street and corporate profits are at all-time highs...
Sun Aug 4, 2013, 01:53 PM
Aug 2013

...and the banks are healthy. Don't see what the problem is.

soryang

(3,299 posts)
45. Ben Stein was waxing philosophically, he looked around on vacation...
Sun Aug 4, 2013, 07:54 PM
Aug 2013

...and realized we're all rich. If your "his friend Warren Buffet, and own a railroad..." "if you have a family" or "friends." So quit bitching about being poor, you're not poor, it's your imagination, you're a rich as Warren Buffet, or Ben Stein. You know it's true you saw it on network television. If you're homeless, unemployed, can't get healthcare or pay your bills, don't worry about it, you're really rich and not philosophical enough to realize it. I don't think his emphasis on youth being wealth was an accident, a report just came out showing more people from age 18 to 31 live with their parents than at any time in 40 years.

I feel like a wealthy American, thanks to Ben Stein, even though I had thought I've never been worse off.

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