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onehandle

(51,122 posts)
Tue Jul 30, 2013, 03:09 PM Jul 2013

Driver in Fatal Spanish Train Was on Phone, Court Says

Source: New York Times

MADRID — The driver of the train that derailed and killed 79 people in Spain was on the phone and traveling at 95 mph (153 kph) — almost twice the speed limit — when the crash happened last week, according to a preliminary investigation released Tuesday.

The train had been going as fast as 119 mph (192 kph) shortly before the derailment, and the driver activated the brakes "seconds before the crash," according to a written statement from the court in Santiago de Compostela, whose investigators gleaned the information from two "black box" data recorders recovered from the train.

The speed limit on the section of track was 50 mph (80 kph).

The crash occurred near Santiago de Compostela in northwestern Spain, and was the country's worst rail accident in decades. Some 66 people are still hospitalized for injuries, 15 of whom are in critical condition.


Read more: http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2013/07/30/world/europe/ap-eu-spain-train-derailment-.html



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Driver in Fatal Spanish Train Was on Phone, Court Says (Original Post) onehandle Jul 2013 OP
Time for more Automation. Throckmorton Jul 2013 #1
The article says they had one...but it stopped 3 miles before where the crash occurred Atman Jul 2013 #4
Well, this is not going to look good on Garzon's resume. Atman Jul 2013 #2
I thought that curve looked awful sharp for the speed.... Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2013 #3
Time to outlaw phone use while driving –– snot Jul 2013 #5
Totally agree with your post. love_katz Jul 2013 #6
Driver appears to have received a work-related phone call: Ghost Dog Jul 2013 #7
I guess a "co-driver" would cost too much? rickyhall Jul 2013 #8

Atman

(31,464 posts)
4. The article says they had one...but it stopped 3 miles before where the crash occurred
Tue Jul 30, 2013, 03:16 PM
Jul 2013

"Authorities have said that a high-tech automatic braking program called the European Rail Traffic Management System was installed on most of the high-speed track leading from Madrid north to Santiago de Compostela — the route Garzon's train took. But the cutting-edge coverage stops just 5 kilometers (3 miles) south of where the crash occurred, placing a greater burden on the driver to take charge."

http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2013/07/30/world/europe/ap-eu-spain-train-derailment-.html?_r=0

snot

(10,529 posts)
5. Time to outlaw phone use while driving ––
Tue Jul 30, 2013, 05:48 PM
Jul 2013

ANY kind of phone use, while driving ANYTHING bigger than a tricycle.

love_katz

(2,579 posts)
6. Totally agree with your post.
Tue Jul 30, 2013, 08:17 PM
Jul 2013

There was a commuter train in California which collided head-on with a freight train (many people killed and injured) which was found to be caused by the engineer sending text messages before the crash. He had also been letting teen-age rail-enthusiasts drive the train the night before, and was planning on doing that again on the night of the crash.

Some testimony regarding the Costa Concordia disaster says that the Captain of the ship was on the phone when he drove his ship into the rocky reef off the island of Giglio in Italy.

These kinds of stories, along with all the idiocy I see on the road each day because people are indulging in too many distractions while driving leaves me feeling supportive of a complete ban on talking on phones or texting while driving.

Here is the link for the story on the Chatsworth, CA train crash: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_Chatsworth_train_collision

Here is another link suggesting that the Chatsworth train crash may have a lesson for the crash in the OP: http://www.presstelegram.com/opinions/ci_23755598/spanish-train-wreck-may-have-california-lesson-thomas

 

Ghost Dog

(16,881 posts)
7. Driver appears to have received a work-related phone call:
Tue Jul 30, 2013, 09:43 PM
Jul 2013
... According to the investigation so far, train driver Francisco Jose Garzon Amo received a call from an official of national rail company Renfe on his work phone in the cabin, not his personal cellphone, to tell him what approach to take toward his final destination.

The Renfe employee on the telephone "appears to be a controller," a person who organizes train traffic across the rail network, said a statement from a court in Santiago de Compostela, where the investigation is based.

"From the contents of the conversation and from the background noise it seems that the driver (was) consulting a plan or similar paper document."

The statement on the preliminary findings did not indicate whether such a phone conversation is common between a driver of a moving train and a controller, and it did not say how long the call lasted. It did not name the Renfe official who called the driver, nor did it further describe what plan or document the driver was consulting...

http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2013/07/30/world/europe/ap-eu-spain-train-derailment-.html?_r=0


... In a statement, Santiago Court Judge Luis Aláez, who is handling the investigation, said that the driver, Francisco José Garzón, was talking on the phone to a Renfe official and consulting a document at the time last Wednesday’s crash occurred...

... Just as he was approaching the A Grandeira curve in Santiago’s Angrois neighborhood, Garzón had received a call instructing him where to go after the train reached its final destination of Ferrol. Based on the recording, the driver was apparently trying to consult a document at the same time...

...Garzón has acknowledged that he was going at twice the permitted speed when he came around the curve, but he explained to the judge on Sunday that he got confused and even believed he was approaching a similar curve, which he had passed two kilometers earlier. He remains free on his own recognizance...

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