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dipsydoodle

(42,239 posts)
Sat Aug 3, 2013, 04:49 AM Aug 2013

Al Qaeda leader tells Mursi supporters democracy not the way

Source: Reuters

(Reuters) - Al Qaeda leader Ayman al-Zawahri urged Egypt's Muslim Brotherhood and its supporters to abandon democracy and seek to govern through the full implementation of Islamic law.

In a 15-minute recording posted on Islamist websites on Saturday, Zawahri also criticized Islamists who had formed political parties in Egypt and supported the Egyptian military in ousting former Egyptian President Mohamed Mursi.

"I give this piece of advice to whoever supported Mursi and I tell them first we have to admit that legitimacy doesn't lie in elections and democracy but it lies in Sharia," Zawahri said.

"Sharia is not electing Mursi president of a republic, a president of a secular and nationalistic state," he added.

Read more: http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/08/03/us-qaeda-egypt-idUSBRE97202X20130803

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Al Qaeda leader tells Mursi supporters democracy not the way (Original Post) dipsydoodle Aug 2013 OP
Right, because we should listen to the terrorists and give into becoming a theocracy sakabatou Aug 2013 #1
Unless its just a coincidence dipsydoodle Aug 2013 #2
Even though, I don't agree John2 Aug 2013 #4
This is confusing. Igel Aug 2013 #5
" religion had to be seperated from Government" you serious? ConcernedCanuk Aug 2013 #8
Who says John2 Aug 2013 #9
Terrorist ??....nope jessie04 Aug 2013 #6
Doctor Do-No-Harm Turbineguy Aug 2013 #3
Rightttt obama2terms Aug 2013 #7
Al Qadia is so irrevelant Mkap Aug 2013 #10

dipsydoodle

(42,239 posts)
2. Unless its just a coincidence
Sat Aug 3, 2013, 05:17 AM
Aug 2013

he's done it in response to others poking their nose in where it may not be welcome. Chances of Egypt adopting sharia law are nil - they are highly reliant on tourism which would reduce to a level of complete insignificance.

 

John2

(2,730 posts)
4. Even though, I don't agree
Sat Aug 3, 2013, 08:09 AM
Aug 2013

with this man's philosophy,he is correct. If the Muslim Brotherhood rules Egypt, they will institute Sharia Law. What did you think Morsi and the Brotherhood was trying to do?

They were going to do it through Democracy. The kind of Democracy people who are upset with the overthrow of Morsi, is the kind of Democracy people agree with even if the majority instituted slavery. That is not the kind of Democracy people had in mind. Religion and the kind of Democracy that quarantees the freedom of individual rights to humans does not go together. Religion is about someone's faith and restricts freedom. You are essentially a slave to that religion.

That is exactly what the Muslim Brotherhood represents. It is a religious organization and it was banned in politics by every prior Egyptian President in their history, ever since Egypt became independent. That is why this man and Morsi was put in jail. They will force others to practice their religion either through government or through violent means. Al Qaeda and the Taliban are good examples of that. We have our religious extremists in America too, that want to force the major religion on everybodyelse in the country through Government. They do that and it will bring violence, be damed with mob rules. Nobody use to individual freedoms will be reduced to a slave because certain people do believe every human was born with inalienable rights. That is the most important part that makes American Democracy last. That is why our Constitution is a living Constitution. So Scalia is not fit to be on the Court since he doesn't understand our history and how we evolved as a Nation. There was a reason the Civil War happened and the Southern States were penalized. People did not accept the presence of Slavery. So let the Arabs and Egyptians go through that same evolution, Europe and the rest of the World experienced. They found out long ago, religion had to be seperated from Government, through a period of Enlightenment.





Igel

(35,282 posts)
5. This is confusing.
Sat Aug 3, 2013, 09:26 AM
Aug 2013

Zawahri was part of the MB, in Egypt. And he seems to think he's preaching to a group of errant sinners, people that have lost their way and adopted a false belief. Granted, he's far away, but he's still of the same faith, same nationality, and, one would assume, keyed in to a large extent with what the congregation is doing.

Except that people in the next town over are convinced that he's preaching to the choir, the just of the just, those what already believe as he does in the uselessness of democracy.


Ah, who to believe?


Here's my take. Some of the old MB are still all "we must impose shari'a on the Muslims." However, when you go mainstream you get lots of people who aren't ideologically pure joining your ranks. Lots of fellow-travellers, single-issue members, people who like the little sausages or the dips served at meetings. You have to dilute your purist message to attract the masses and get pluralities or majorities. (We have that same problem at DU, after all. Lots of DINOs and "conservadems" and others who just don't meet up to the 100% Dem standard that upheld by the few, the proud, the isolated, the marginalized except in their own cliques.)

Zawahri is making two pitches at once: The first is for those following the One True Path to hold strong and not flag; the second is for those who are milquetoast MBs, MBINOs, moderaMBs, the Icky-Ones to finally see the light and come into the fold, rejecting the heresy of democracy and pursuing the One True Path of all Ikhwan to become " 'xplode-Ikhwan"" and "militaMBs".

That means it might be possible to split the MB into Archaea extremophiles and moderate eu-Muslims and. However, all the violence against them will only serve to reinforce group boundaries. This is something that groups worldwide have learned. When your edges go fuzzy, you want to firm up resistance against you, perceived or real, and reinforce membership.

 

ConcernedCanuk

(13,509 posts)
8. " religion had to be seperated from Government" you serious?
Sat Aug 3, 2013, 01:14 PM
Aug 2013

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yes - I believe it SHOULD be, but it is not.

"In God We Trust" as far as I recollect is on all USA's paper money.

sorta leaves out Allah, Buddha, Gitche Manitou, Spirits, etc.,

and in Canada - we were taught the Lord's prayer, and at one time was said in homeroom class every morning of my schooldays

Also in Canada in court (unfortunately I've been there more than once) -

when giving evidence we must swear on the Bible to tell the truth saying "So help me God"

So WE in the Western World certainly are not separating church from state.

and at the same time, alienating those with different beliefs.

Of course, Idiot-Son's reference to Muslims as "evildoers" didn't help.

And so it goes . . .

(sigh)

CC

 

John2

(2,730 posts)
9. Who says
Sat Aug 3, 2013, 01:53 PM
Aug 2013

that you have to believe in any religion to believe in God? Even if you don't believe in God, you have the right do so. If there is a God, then you suffer the consequences. I'm not religous but I do believe in God. That don't mean I have to support anybody's religion. I don't need some nut to tell me what is right or wrong, when God can do it. That was revealed through the Enlightenment period. You got a lot of people blaming their acts on God. I guess Zawahri is one of them.

I don't believe in forced religion. I think even God would want people to freely accept God. Let God make the judgement. God does not need people to murder or kill anyone for God.

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