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dipsydoodle

(42,239 posts)
Sun Aug 4, 2013, 11:09 AM Aug 2013

Spain studies retaliatory measures against Gibraltar: report

Source: Reuters

(Reuters) - Spain is studying retaliatory measures against the British territory of Gibraltar in an escalating dispute over fishing grounds, Spanish Foreign Minister Jose Manuel Garcia-Margallo said in an interview published on Sunday.

"The party is over," Garcia-Margallo told ABC newspaper, referring to years of softer policy on Gibraltar under the previous Socialist government.

The minister said Spain was mulling a 50-euro border-crossing fee and tax investigations of thousands of Gibraltarians who own property in Spain. A border fee would affect tourists and Gibraltarians who cross the border for work.

Spain was also considering closing airspace to planes heading for the airport in Gibraltar and changing rules to wring taxes from on-line gaming companies based in Gibraltar, he said.

Read more: http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/08/04/us-gibraltar-spain-idUSBRE97304220130804



History of Gibraltar.

Spain ceded the territory to Britain under the terms of the Treaty of Utrecht of 1713.

Spain tried to regain control of Gibraltar, which Britain had declared a Crown colony, through military, diplomatic and economic pressure. Gibraltar was besieged and heavily bombarded during three wars between Britain and Spain but the attacks were repulsed on each occasion. By the end of the last siege, in the late 18th century, Gibraltar had faced fourteen sieges in 500 years. In the years after Trafalgar, Gibraltar became a major base in the Peninsular War. The colony grew rapidly during the 19th and early 20th centuries, becoming one of Britain's most important possessions in the Mediterranean. It was a key stopping point for vessels en route to India via the Suez Canal. A large British naval base was constructed there at great expense at the end of the 19th century and became the backbone of Gibraltar's economy.

British control of Gibraltar enabled the Allies to control the entrance to the Mediterranean during the Second World War. It was attacked on several occasions by German, Italian and Vichy French forces, though without causing much damage. The Spanish dictator General Francisco Franco declined to join a Nazi plan to occupy Gibraltar but revived Spain's claim to the territory after the war. As the territorial dispute intensified, Spain closed its border with Gibraltar between 1969 and 1985 and communications links were severed. Spain's position was supported by Latin American countries but was rejected by Britain and the Gibraltarians themselves, who vigorously asserted their right to self-determination. Discussions of Gibraltar's status have continued between Britain and Spain but have not reached any conclusion.

Since 1985, Gibraltar has undergone major changes as a result of reductions in Britain's overseas defence commitments. Most British forces have left the territory, which is no longer seen as a place of major military importance. Its economy is now based on tourism, financial services, shipping and Internet gambling. Gibraltar is largely self-governed, with its own parliament and government, though the UK maintains responsibility for defence and foreign policy. Its economic success has made it one of the wealthiest areas of the European Union.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Gibraltar
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Spain studies retaliatory measures against Gibraltar: report (Original Post) dipsydoodle Aug 2013 OP
Let the people of Gibraltar decide. Nye Bevan Aug 2013 #1
The pop. wanting to become part of Spain is considered to be an unlikely event. dipsydoodle Aug 2013 #2
True EuroGame Aug 2013 #3
Shouldn't the people of Gibraltar decide if they want independence? Lasher Aug 2013 #4
Should the US be "forced to give away" Hawaii and Puerto Rico? (nt) Nye Bevan Aug 2013 #8
A bit different.. EuroGame Aug 2013 #23
financial services, shipping and Internet gambling Ghost Dog Aug 2013 #19
Colonial countries should give up territories cosmicone Aug 2013 #5
Then should Spain give up colonialism in the Basque region? n/t totodeinhere Aug 2013 #6
Which part of more than 200 miles did you not get? cosmicone Aug 2013 #7
Try telling that to a Basque. dipsydoodle Aug 2013 #12
My people have been fighting for independence for a long time totodeinhere Aug 2013 #16
The people of Nevada? Ghost Dog Aug 2013 #18
I used to write to a Brit who lived in the Canary Islands. Amazed anyone got a chance to live there. freshwest Aug 2013 #20
Not difficult for EU cits, Ghost Dog Aug 2013 #22
Here. totodeinhere Aug 2013 #24
Cool. Ghost Dog Aug 2013 #27
So the USA should *definitely* give up Hawaii and Alaska (nt) Nye Bevan Aug 2013 #9
Alaska was purchased and not forcibly Annexed. cosmicone Aug 2013 #14
So Obama really isn't a true American? No thanks. nt geek tragedy Aug 2013 #26
Why just "colonial countries"? Igel Aug 2013 #11
eg the Andaman and Nicobar Islands (nt) muriel_volestrangler Aug 2013 #17
Spain is not a victim of European colonialism. nt geek tragedy Aug 2013 #25
Thanks for the history lesson. Looks like centuries of rivalry there. It'll be okay. freshwest Aug 2013 #10
Its considered that the current situation dipsydoodle Aug 2013 #13
Agree 100%. freshwest Aug 2013 #15
For sure. Ghost Dog Aug 2013 #21

Nye Bevan

(25,406 posts)
1. Let the people of Gibraltar decide.
Sun Aug 4, 2013, 11:19 AM
Aug 2013

I assume if a majority of them want Gibraltar to become part of Spain, the British Government would not object.

dipsydoodle

(42,239 posts)
2. The pop. wanting to become part of Spain is considered to be an unlikely event.
Sun Aug 4, 2013, 11:22 AM
Aug 2013

This is analogouswith the Falklands and Argentina.

EuroGame

(10 posts)
3. True
Sun Aug 4, 2013, 12:36 PM
Aug 2013

Gibraltar, with the help of the British, has created an economic niche for itself. Tourism and banking. It's one of our many 'tiny lands' that gets to duck financial regulations. Our very own cayman islands, along side Monaco, Andorra, Lichtenstein and Luxembourg.
Anyway, I believe the British should finally be forced to give away the last remnants of it's 'empire'. Not that Spain should annex Gibraltar, it should just be a stand alone nation and be absorbed by the EU, like Malta.
I'm not anti British, as Spain itself has a few 'overseas regions' like the Canary Islands, which are indeed geographically and culturally NOT really European. It's off the coast of Morocco in Africa. So Spain is the last to talk.

Lasher

(27,536 posts)
4. Shouldn't the people of Gibraltar decide if they want independence?
Sun Aug 4, 2013, 02:21 PM
Aug 2013

I think they probably don't want that anymore than they want to be annexed by Spain.

EuroGame

(10 posts)
23. A bit different..
Mon Aug 5, 2013, 04:25 AM
Aug 2013

If you see the US as a Union, it would be like a state occupying a piece of another state (texas occupying a piece of floria etc). In the EU, we shouldn't accept intra-member state colonization. As I said, it's not for Spain to annex, but just let it go as an independent nation. It's strategic purpose is gone, it's just a bit about the money now.

PS: The US is unaccountable, nobody can 'force' it to do anything right now. GB is a different story. With Scotland about to go, it's just a shadow of it's former self. Even with Scotland.

 

Ghost Dog

(16,881 posts)
19. financial services, shipping and Internet gambling
Mon Aug 5, 2013, 02:55 AM
Aug 2013

financial services: - tax evasion, money laundering & worse...

shipping: - smuggling: UK press rarely reports that Spanish police boats often chase known & suspected drug smugglers into so-called Gibraltarian waters, where they are protected by Gib police who presumably receive a cut from the proceeds, thus provoking so-called 'incidents'...

Internet gambling: - exploitation of the poor and the addicted.


Gib is unilaterally occupying Spanish land (the isthmus) and water (in the Bay of Algeciras) not ceded under the Treaty.


Greetings from the Canary Islands: Not a colony: Part of Spain since the fourteenth century

Edit: Welcome to DU.

 

cosmicone

(11,014 posts)
5. Colonial countries should give up territories
Sun Aug 4, 2013, 02:37 PM
Aug 2013

more than 200 miles from their borders with a choice for the locals to move back to the home country.

There is no reason Europeans' unjust colonialism should continue in this day and age.

 

cosmicone

(11,014 posts)
7. Which part of more than 200 miles did you not get?
Sun Aug 4, 2013, 03:54 PM
Aug 2013

The so called "basque" region is split between Spain and France and seldom if not ever had independence. It is a circumscribed culture within other nations and don't deserve a "nation."

The same goes for Kurds who are split between Turkey, Syria, Iraq, Iran and Azerbaijan -- that's all they are -- a separate culture.

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
20. I used to write to a Brit who lived in the Canary Islands. Amazed anyone got a chance to live there.
Mon Aug 5, 2013, 02:59 AM
Aug 2013
 

Ghost Dog

(16,881 posts)
22. Not difficult for EU cits,
Mon Aug 5, 2013, 03:18 AM
Aug 2013

especially with external sources of income. Scratching a living here is not easy but is possible, especially in tourism-related sectors (which I mostly try to avoid). There's a local organic horticulture boom in progress. Local food can be very tasty...

My current project (under construction): Music & Arts production & promotion - http://www.aridisland.com/

 

cosmicone

(11,014 posts)
14. Alaska was purchased and not forcibly Annexed.
Sun Aug 4, 2013, 05:17 PM
Aug 2013

As far as Hawai'i goes, it WAS forcibly annexed and should be freed.

Igel

(35,274 posts)
11. Why just "colonial countries"?
Sun Aug 4, 2013, 04:55 PM
Aug 2013

Some S. Pacific countries are scattered islands.

Countries like Ecuador have the Galapagos.

If Britain left the Falklands, it's not very much of a question as to what would happen to them. Then again, Argentina claimed them and even possessed them (in some sense) for a brief time. So perhaps Argentina is also "colonial"?

Using history as a lens isn't always the wisest thing. It blurs the present.

dipsydoodle

(42,239 posts)
13. Its considered that the current situation
Sun Aug 4, 2013, 05:13 PM
Aug 2013

is purely to take the focus of the population of Spain away from corruption issues with their government and the general state of their economy.

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