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Purveyor

(29,876 posts)
Sun Aug 4, 2013, 01:28 PM Aug 2013

Al Qaeda Embassy Plot Among "Most Specific And Credible Threats" Since 9/11, McCaul Says

Source: CBS

(CBS News) An al Qaeda plot against American diplomatic posts in the Middle East and other Muslim countries that prompted the U.S. government to close nearly two dozen embassies and consulates over the weekend is "one of the most specific and credible threats I've seen, perhaps since 9/11," House Homeland Security Chairman Mike McCaul, R-Texas, said Sunday on "Face the Nation."

"We're on a high state of alert," McCaul said. "I think the administration's call to close these embassies... was actually very, very smart call - particularly in light of what happened in Benghazi, when warnings were not heeded in that case. I'm glad to see that in this case, they're taking this very seriously."

The threat, signs of which were picked up by U.S. intelligence over the weekend, comes from Al Qaeda of the Arabian Peninsula - also known as AQAP - a terrorist group CBS News correspondent Bob Orr said is "the most active and charged" among al Qaeda.

"The fear is that this may be a big play from a group that has been unable to muster a large-scale attack since 9/11, and they've got some expertise," he said. "They have a bomb maker in Yemen named Ibrahim al-Asiri - he's the guy who built the underwear bombs and printer cartridge bombs. He's a devious genius and we know in the past he's experimented in research trying to build body bombs, that is, implant explosives in human beings which would give a whole new meaning to suicide bombers.

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Read more: http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-3460_162-57596909/al-qaeda-embassy-plot-among-most-specific-and-credible-threats-since-9-11-mccaul-says/

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Al Qaeda Embassy Plot Among "Most Specific And Credible Threats" Since 9/11, McCaul Says (Original Post) Purveyor Aug 2013 OP
Threat averted thanks to the NSA??? n/t L0oniX Aug 2013 #1
Horse (cough) shit. Autumn Aug 2013 #2
yet our very own "leader" tells us thanks to drone murders al queda is kaput. $ billions wasted n msongs Aug 2013 #3
Why would you put "leader" in quotes? Arkana Aug 2013 #50
Link and quote? emulatorloo Aug 2013 #55
Mm-hmm. Iggo Aug 2013 #4
Be it true or not Iliyah Aug 2013 #5
Why can't you beieve that Snowden would do harm to America? karynnj Aug 2013 #32
Let's review here: Brigid Aug 2013 #6
Bush Like Tactic BlueNAlabama Aug 2013 #7
My thought exactly when I saw it this morning Deny and Shred Aug 2013 #12
Actually the Bush tactic was to ignore intel and we all saw on tv what happened to the towers cstanleytech Aug 2013 #35
As if McCaul could tell his ass from a hole in the ground even with a map and GPS. hobbit709 Aug 2013 #8
A threat so specific they've narrowed it down to 22 different diplomatic posts. Comrade Grumpy Aug 2013 #9
unfortunately, even if true, Washington has cried wolf with the al Qaeda boogeyman so often... yurbud Aug 2013 #10
Isnt that a catch 22 though? cstanleytech Aug 2013 #36
that would sound reasonable if someone had no memory of the last twelve years yurbud Aug 2013 #40
What good would have been served though? cstanleytech Aug 2013 #42
He did not have to make exposing their lies a primary focus---but he could have at least yurbud Aug 2013 #57
Depends on the policy really. Gitmo is a perfect example of something cstanleytech Aug 2013 #60
that is licking around the edges. The covert actions we backed in Libya and now Syria, drone strike yurbud Aug 2013 #61
Why since 9/11, did they see a threat then? Downwinder Aug 2013 #11
Yes they did Zorro Aug 2013 #20
Lets see if Holder cancels any reservations. Downwinder Aug 2013 #21
are we still blaming 911 on Al Quida? Really? olddad56 Aug 2013 #43
I did not intend to attribute blame. Downwinder Aug 2013 #44
You think Bush/Cheney leftynyc Aug 2013 #52
Take it to the the conspiracy page HERVEPA Aug 2013 #54
Pathetic. GoneFishin Aug 2013 #13
Seeing a pattern among the outspoken reps defending spying program. n/t GoneFishin Aug 2013 #14
Poor man's intel expedition Red Mountain Aug 2013 #15
ah it's the last few days of Ramadan so of course........... azurnoir Aug 2013 #16
Ramadan ends tuesday pscot Aug 2013 #38
Not really it depends it could be between Wednesday and Friday Aug 7-9 azurnoir Aug 2013 #41
U.S. extends closure of some embassies through August 10 Bosonic Aug 2013 #17
The United States of Pants Wetters PSPS Aug 2013 #18
ugh. :( (n/t) Lefta Dissenter Aug 2013 #23
Despite all the sarcastic comments here I suspect there is a legitimate concern. DCBob Aug 2013 #19
Oh 'perish the thought' indeed that this is some form of 'head fake'. Our gov't has never ever Purveyor Aug 2013 #24
foolish response. DCBob Aug 2013 #25
Only thing foolish about it was that I initially used the wrong 'perish'. Purveyor Aug 2013 #27
Just because the Bush administration did it doesn't mean the Obama administration is. Arkana Aug 2013 #51
Yeah I'd like to see these people take a trip to one of those places treestar Aug 2013 #34
I suspect many live in areas leftynyc Aug 2013 #53
As the mother of a Diplomat Lefta Dissenter Aug 2013 #22
I have colleagues working over there too in some of the countries mentioned. DCBob Aug 2013 #26
The Embassy where my son has been serving for the last two years Lefta Dissenter Aug 2013 #30
*"shutting up" is what allowed 9/11 to happen."* Exactly. cstanleytech Aug 2013 #37
Credible? soryang Aug 2013 #28
hmm - MIHOP jumped into my head ConcernedCanuk Aug 2013 #29
What perfect timing madville Aug 2013 #31
Since 9/11? Arctic Dave Aug 2013 #33
Al Qaeda has not mounted a major US embassy attack since 1998. This sounds serious. Pterodactyl Aug 2013 #39
Scared yet ??? blkmusclmachine Aug 2013 #45
Shouldn't the President ignore the threat and go on vacation? tclambert Aug 2013 #46
He should Puzzledtraveller Aug 2013 #59
This was right on schedule Doctor_J Aug 2013 #47
I thought the Saudis hired Blackwater to rub out the troublemakers. Sunlei Aug 2013 #48
A complete hoax. Be a good sheep and believe it. stanshch Aug 2013 #49
Wayne Madsen, former employee of the NSA and former DU member has oatmeal between his ears Brother Buzz Aug 2013 #56
what a (not) coincidence n/t warrprayer Aug 2013 #58
Al-Qaeda leaders' talks 'sparked US embassy closures' Bosonic Aug 2013 #62

Autumn

(45,042 posts)
2. Horse (cough) shit.
Sun Aug 4, 2013, 01:54 PM
Aug 2013

"Sen. Chuck Schumer, D-N.Y., later on the program lauded U.S. snooping programs like the National Security Agency's as having been successful, amid raging debate over how to achieve security without sanctioning government overreach.

"I think what today shows is that security is very, very important, and that the agencies in charge are darned good," Schumer said. "They're able to listen in and hear what's going on. They all have disrupted many, many, many terrorist plots and let's hope they're disrupting this one, as well."

Iliyah

(25,111 posts)
5. Be it true or not
Sun Aug 4, 2013, 02:02 PM
Aug 2013

no one but the only ones with eyes and ears plus sight know whats real or not when it comes to terrorist threats. Don't put a warning out there and an terrorist attack occurres killing one or many Americans and the American public overall will get upset. Nothing happens then at least the public was warned. Who really knows but the insiders.

Soon or later what Snowden had done would be portrayed as a leak of damaging leaks resulting in dangering the USA and its people here and away. Its already being brought out by "concerned" Chief of Staffs, et al.

Is it legit, hard to say. Many people whom I've had discussions with believe that Snowden (inorder to get asylum) made some kind of deal with Russia, and for safe travels made one with China.

My opinion, I can't believe Snowden would do harm to America.

karynnj

(59,501 posts)
32. Why can't you beieve that Snowden would do harm to America?
Sun Aug 4, 2013, 08:39 PM
Aug 2013

Harm can be done with that as the intent or as a consequence of something he thought inconsequential.

There is always this tension with any whistle blower. By definition, a whistle blower is disclosing things that bother them that the government (or company) want kept quiet. Even if the only impact is embarrassing your country and costing them huge amounts of political capital, that could be harmful to the country.

It is very possible that somethings he put out since he went to China have hurt the US diplomatically -- they certainly have not helped. In that case he has made a difficult job harder.

Brigid

(17,621 posts)
6. Let's review here:
Sun Aug 4, 2013, 02:20 PM
Aug 2013

NSA snooping is the talk of the country right now, and all of a sudden we have "credible threats?" Riiiight.

 

BlueNAlabama

(27 posts)
7. Bush Like Tactic
Sun Aug 4, 2013, 02:35 PM
Aug 2013

Surely we haven't forgotten the Bush years and the increased terror alerts whenever anything potentially damaging to the administration came up.

I hope this isn't more of the same??????

Deny and Shred

(1,061 posts)
12. My thought exactly when I saw it this morning
Sun Aug 4, 2013, 03:44 PM
Aug 2013

I was hoping the color chart and Tom Ridge would make cameos. What color are we on at this point anyway?

This felt bad to me. It felt like the 2nd Obama term is turning in a Bush-esque terror propaganda direction. After so much criticism, play the card that no GOPer would critique.

This has NSA rebranding written all over it, like they took a week or two for dust to settle and to figure a plan to counter that bad publicity. A dem Senator and the head of HLS discussing "credible threats" on Face the Nation seems too scripted.

Welcome to DU. Bama Blue? That can't be easy. Hang in, there are many here who will offer support.

cstanleytech

(26,280 posts)
35. Actually the Bush tactic was to ignore intel and we all saw on tv what happened to the towers
Sun Aug 4, 2013, 10:45 PM
Aug 2013

because of that.

 

Comrade Grumpy

(13,184 posts)
9. A threat so specific they've narrowed it down to 22 different diplomatic posts.
Sun Aug 4, 2013, 02:38 PM
Aug 2013

Stretching from Morocco to Bangladesh. Okay.

yurbud

(39,405 posts)
10. unfortunately, even if true, Washington has cried wolf with the al Qaeda boogeyman so often...
Sun Aug 4, 2013, 02:39 PM
Aug 2013

they have lost all credibility.

If it was a serious threat, they should call it something else, or better yet, just take care of it and shut up.

cstanleytech

(26,280 posts)
36. Isnt that a catch 22 though?
Sun Aug 4, 2013, 10:48 PM
Aug 2013

If the government knows and doesnt act people want their heads on a pike for not doing anything but if they do something and warn the people and stop attacks you then claim its crying wolf??
Seems like either way the government goes it cant win and its going to get screwed and bitched at.

yurbud

(39,405 posts)
40. that would sound reasonable if someone had no memory of the last twelve years
Sun Aug 4, 2013, 11:35 PM
Aug 2013

Obama is not as bad at crying wolf as Bush, but he did little to clear the air of the Bush eras lies and exaggerations about al Qaeda, so when they make a big hubbub like this, they can't complain if people don't wet their pants in fear.

cstanleytech

(26,280 posts)
42. What good would have been served though?
Mon Aug 5, 2013, 12:13 AM
Aug 2013

I mean sure there is the thrill of being able to say "Ha I was right all along" (and yes I personally believe the Bush admin did do that) but otherwise???
Consider all Obama had on his plate when he assumed office, he had 2 wars, a shattered economy and a republican party weakened but still a power to be dealt with so he had to pick what to tackle first and I doubt exposing Bush screwups made even the to 20 of the long list he inherited from him.

yurbud

(39,405 posts)
57. He did not have to make exposing their lies a primary focus---but he could have at least
Mon Aug 5, 2013, 01:41 PM
Aug 2013

not continued them and based policy on them.

And when he did do things, he could have been honest about the motives.

Go back and read the PNAC stuff on their goals and motives or Wesley Clark on the list of countries the neocons wanted to invade or at least overthrow and install compliant regimes.

Essentially they recognized the "unipolar moment" was not going to last, so in that brief window, they wanted to remake the handful of truly independent countries with resources or pipeline routes we wanted before a new global power could block us.

All wars in history have been about money, land, access to cheap labor, or natural resources. That's not disputed when we look at other countries actions or even our own when we go back more than a few decades in history.

But somehow our politicians get away with selling comic book excuses for their actions in the present, and too much of the public actually buys it--though that number is rapidly shrinking.

cstanleytech

(26,280 posts)
60. Depends on the policy really. Gitmo is a perfect example of something
Mon Aug 5, 2013, 02:48 PM
Aug 2013

most of us here agree with Obama on in that it needs to closed but as he found out congress can and will exercise its power of the purse to prevent things they dont want done and closing gitmo and transferring the people held there to civilian authorities is one of those things they dont want done.

yurbud

(39,405 posts)
61. that is licking around the edges. The covert actions we backed in Libya and now Syria, drone strike
Mon Aug 5, 2013, 02:58 PM
Aug 2013

and the like certainly take time and money and are continuations of Bush era priorities.

Zorro

(15,737 posts)
20. Yes they did
Sun Aug 4, 2013, 06:39 PM
Aug 2013

but Bushco chose to dismiss it.

Just as many posters likewise dismiss this reported threat.

Downwinder

(12,869 posts)
44. I did not intend to attribute blame.
Mon Aug 5, 2013, 01:27 AM
Aug 2013

I was responding to the headline. "Most Specific And Credible Threats" Since 9/11, McCaul Says

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
52. You think Bush/Cheney
Mon Aug 5, 2013, 12:22 PM
Aug 2013

were responsible for 4 airplanes being hijacked and flown into buildings (and 1 into the ground)? This is why nobody with any power takes this site seriously.

Red Mountain

(1,730 posts)
15. Poor man's intel expedition
Sun Aug 4, 2013, 04:30 PM
Aug 2013

If I were Ally-Q I'd try and figure out ways to see how much my enemy knew and how/when they knew it.....maybe by just reading the news.

And then I'd try and turn my technological disadvantage around.

Closing down US diplomatic facilities is something of a morale and credibility booster.....even if they don't have any intention of acting.

Makes me wonder if this is a real threat or a recruiting poster.








azurnoir

(45,850 posts)
16. ah it's the last few days of Ramadan so of course...........
Sun Aug 4, 2013, 04:46 PM
Aug 2013

Last night was Laylat al-Qadr

Laylat Al Qadr is considered the holiest night of the year for Muslims, and is traditionally celebrated on the 27th day of Ramadan. It is known as the "Night of Power," and commemorates the night that the Quran was first revealed to the Prophet Muhammad, beginning with the exhortation, "Read! In the Name of your Lord, Who has created (all that exists)," in Surat Al-Alaq.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/07/31/laylat-al-qadr-2013_n_3678114.html?utm_hp_ref=religion

soooo of course and when nothing happens (as expected) they can take credit and say see it's all good ...............

pscot

(21,024 posts)
38. Ramadan ends tuesday
Sun Aug 4, 2013, 11:20 PM
Aug 2013

It wouldn't be surprising if al Qaida decided to blow someone up in the name of Allah.

azurnoir

(45,850 posts)
41. Not really it depends it could be between Wednesday and Friday Aug 7-9
Sun Aug 4, 2013, 11:50 PM
Aug 2013

Aug 9 a regular holiday to mark end of Ramadan

MANILA, Philippines - President Benigno Aquino III has declared August 9 as a regular holiday in observance of the end of Ramadan or Eid'l Fitr.

Aquino signed on Thursday Proclamation No. 629, which declares the regular holiday throughout the country "to promote cultural understanding and integration."

The proclamation said the entire Filipino nation should have the full opportunity to join their Muslim brothers and sisters in the observance and celebration of Eid’l Fitr.

http://www.philstar.com/headlines/2013/08/01/1039341/aug-9-regular-holiday-mark-end-ramadan-palace

Ramadan in 2013 will start on Tuesday, the 9th of July and will continue for 30 days until Wednesday, the 7th of August.

http://www.when-is.com/ramadan-2013.asp

Bosonic

(3,746 posts)
17. U.S. extends closure of some embassies through August 10
Sun Aug 4, 2013, 04:49 PM
Aug 2013

The United States extended the closures of some embassies and consulates in the Middle East - which had been closed Sunday due to an al Qaeda threat - through August 10 due to caution but not the emergence of any new threat, the State Department said.

Other U.S. diplomatic posts, including in Kabul, Baghdad and Algiers, that had been closed on Sunday, will reopen on Monday, the State Department said.

Posts in Abu Dhabi, Amman, Cairo, Riyadh, Dhahran, Jeddah, Doha, Dubai, Kuwait, Manama, Muscat, Sanaa, Tripoli, Antanarivo, Bujumbura, Djibouti, Khartoum, Kigali, and Port Louis will be closed through Saturday.

U.S. diplomatic posts in Dhaka, Algiers, Nouakchott, Kabul, Herat, Mazar el Sharif, Baghdad, Basrah, and Erbil will open on Monday, the State Department said.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/08/04/us-usa-embassies-closures-idUSBRE9730AE20130804

DCBob

(24,689 posts)
19. Despite all the sarcastic comments here I suspect there is a legitimate concern.
Sun Aug 4, 2013, 05:48 PM
Aug 2013

I do not believe this is some sort of head fake simply for political purposes.

 

Purveyor

(29,876 posts)
24. Oh 'perish the thought' indeed that this is some form of 'head fake'. Our gov't has never ever
Sun Aug 4, 2013, 07:24 PM
Aug 2013

stooped to such levels.

Never, nope...can't happen here.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
34. Yeah I'd like to see these people take a trip to one of those places
Sun Aug 4, 2013, 10:31 PM
Aug 2013

They seem so comfortable with risking the lives of Americans who live in those places (and are usually more concerned with the lives of the citizens of those places) but now they are certain nothing will happen.

And think they could live comfortably in a world with no CIA, no NSA, no intelligence.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
53. I suspect many live in areas
Mon Aug 5, 2013, 12:24 PM
Aug 2013

that have nothing worthwhile or known across the world to blow up so they can scoff at this and not have anything to worry about.

Lefta Dissenter

(6,622 posts)
22. As the mother of a Diplomat
Sun Aug 4, 2013, 07:20 PM
Aug 2013

who is traveling next week through the Middle East to his assignment in a Muslim country in South Asia, I appreciate the warnings. The State Department can't issue warnings to the Diplomatic community without also issuing public warnings, since their duty is to inform ALL of our citizens of threats.

So, "just take care of it and shut up," doesn't serve anyone. After all, "shutting up" is what allowed 9/11 to happen.

DCBob

(24,689 posts)
26. I have colleagues working over there too in some of the countries mentioned.
Sun Aug 4, 2013, 07:28 PM
Aug 2013

They also take this stuff seriously. I am sure security will be beefed up in places they are going.

Lefta Dissenter

(6,622 posts)
30. The Embassy where my son has been serving for the last two years
Sun Aug 4, 2013, 07:52 PM
Aug 2013

is closed down now. He is thinking of his friends and coworkers hunkered down, and I know he's worried. He tries not to make me concerned for his well-being, but the next few weeks will be stressful.

Big sarcastic jokes to a lot of people around here, I know, but my son is precisely the type of person I want representing our country around the world. He chose the Middle East, North Africa and South Asia as his areas of interest back when he was working for Russ Feingold in DC. He felt that this is where he can make a difference in trying to build peace. His security is vital not only because he is my son, but because the alternative to diplomacy is a complete meltdown of international relations around the world.

cstanleytech

(26,280 posts)
37. *"shutting up" is what allowed 9/11 to happen."* Exactly.
Sun Aug 4, 2013, 10:53 PM
Aug 2013

Granted with the Bush admin it seemed every week they were issuing a new terror alert which is why I think people have become so jaded over such things but then again they were still adjusting to the events after 9/11 which they fumbled badly and they probably didnt want to get caught with their shorts down again.
Not that it helped save them from getting caught with them down when it came to the WMD intel regarding Iraq.

soryang

(3,299 posts)
28. Credible?
Sun Aug 4, 2013, 07:32 PM
Aug 2013

You mean the four cruise missiles they sent into Yemen didn't get him? Is he a world wide threat? What are the ranges of his bombs? "Devious genius?" Credible and Homeland Security don't go together.

 

Arctic Dave

(13,812 posts)
33. Since 9/11?
Sun Aug 4, 2013, 10:22 PM
Aug 2013

Shouldn't it say, "since the last Embassy bombing"?

An Embassy is some far away land is not a 9/11 event and they probably are always on alert for these things.

I call bullshit.

tclambert

(11,085 posts)
46. Shouldn't the President ignore the threat and go on vacation?
Mon Aug 5, 2013, 07:28 AM
Aug 2013

That's the usual procedure, isn't it? Maybe start reading children's books upside down, too.

stanshch

(4 posts)
49. A complete hoax. Be a good sheep and believe it.
Mon Aug 5, 2013, 10:44 AM
Aug 2013

Wayne Madsen, a former employee of the NSA, even told press TV that the US govt. is using this "terror threat" to sell the American population on PRISM. It's their attempt to justify taking away more of our rights and to ridicule Snowden.

Real eyes.
Realize.
Real Lies.

Brother Buzz

(36,412 posts)
56. Wayne Madsen, former employee of the NSA and former DU member has oatmeal between his ears
Mon Aug 5, 2013, 01:06 PM
Aug 2013

Although I still enjoy his occasional visits on Coast to Coast. Entertaining theater.

Bosonic

(3,746 posts)
62. Al-Qaeda leaders' talks 'sparked US embassy closures'
Mon Aug 5, 2013, 06:55 PM
Aug 2013

Intercepted conversations between two senior al-Qaeda figures prompted the US to shut embassies in North Africa and the Middle East, American media report.

The talk, involving top leader Ayman al-Zawahiri, represented one of the most serious plots against American and Western interests since the 9/11 attacks, the New York Times says.

The US earlier said the closures were "out of an abundance of caution".

Some 20 US embassies and consulates were closed on Sunday.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-23583859

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