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Hissyspit

(45,788 posts)
Mon Aug 5, 2013, 05:38 AM Aug 2013

Exclusive: U.S. Directs Agents to Cover Up Program Used to Investigate Americans

Source: Reuters

Exclusive: U.S. directs agents to cover up program used to investigate Americans

WASHINGTON | Mon Aug 5, 2013 5:16am EDT

By John Shiffman and Kristina Cooke

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - A secretive U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration unit is funneling information from intelligence intercepts, wiretaps, informants and a massive database of telephone records to authorities across the nation to help them launch criminal investigations of Americans.

Although these cases rarely involve national security issues, documents reviewed by Reuters show that law enforcement agents have been directed to conceal how such investigations truly begin - not only from defense lawyers but also sometimes from prosecutors and judges.

The undated documents show that federal agents are trained to "recreate" the investigative trail to effectively cover up where the information originated, a practice that some experts say violates a defendant's Constitutional right to a fair trial. If defendants don't know how an investigation began, they cannot know to ask to review potential sources of exculpatory evidence - information that could reveal entrapment, mistakes or biased witnesses.

"I have never heard of anything like this at all," said Nancy Gertner, a Harvard Law School professor who served as a federal judge from 1994 to 2011. Gertner and other legal experts said the program sounds more troubling than recent disclosures that the National Security Agency has been collecting domestic phone records. The NSA effort is geared toward stopping terrorists; the DEA program targets common criminals, primarily drug dealers.

"It is one thing to create special rules for national security," Gertner said. "Ordinary crime is entirely different. It sounds like they are phonying up investigations."

THE SPECIAL OPERATIONS DIVISION

The unit of the DEA that distributes the information is called the Special Operations Division, or SOD. Two dozen partner agencies comprise the unit, including the FBI, CIA, NSA, Internal Revenue Service and the Department of Homeland Security. It was created in 1994 to combat Latin American drug cartels and has grown from several dozen employees to several hundred.

Read more: http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSBRE97409R20130805

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Exclusive: U.S. Directs Agents to Cover Up Program Used to Investigate Americans (Original Post) Hissyspit Aug 2013 OP
And there we have it. eShirl Aug 2013 #1
Exactly my thought. No wonder ya can't legalize pot in this country. Jackpine Radical Aug 2013 #28
I will probably be testing this one. Downwinder Aug 2013 #2
The term .......... dothemath Aug 2013 #9
And you wonder why ceonupe Aug 2013 #3
Would it be possible to think of something besides weapons that kill people? BainsBane Aug 2013 #5
The point is people ceonupe Aug 2013 #6
It is a good point. nt Mojorabbit Aug 2013 #32
Sadly - Many Will Not See The Connection Between Massive Illegal Surveillance And Law Enforcement cantbeserious Aug 2013 #4
They'll see it. They'll either say "If you have nothing to hide..." OR matthews Aug 2013 #29
Who saw this coming?? Completely out of the blue! TransitJohn Aug 2013 #7
I know, right? eShirl Aug 2013 #12
Yeh, who would have ever suspected something like this could happen! nt Zorra Aug 2013 #18
Back when the USA PATRIOT Act was new... Octafish Aug 2013 #8
This message was self-deleted by its author silvershadow Aug 2013 #10
If you see something Say something campaign is big here in Wisconsin..... midnight Aug 2013 #11
leading to a complete collapse in faith in the justice system...as if nashville_brook Aug 2013 #14
K&R Solly Mack Aug 2013 #13
Thus, Byzantium. Ghost Dog Aug 2013 #15
This is not the land of the free. This is a police and prison state. davidn3600 Aug 2013 #16
I'd say : "Unbelievable"... but we all know better. AzDar Aug 2013 #17
USA! USA! USA! Freedumb ain't free, baby! City Lights Aug 2013 #19
Nixon originally created the DEA to be a private presidential army starroute Aug 2013 #20
Good God, I just went to that website. This whole freaking program was matthews Aug 2013 #30
You can bet this will be used against 'ecoterrorists' too. denverbill Aug 2013 #21
k&r. Wish this was the stuff of dystopian sci-fi, but it's all too real. n/t appal_jack Aug 2013 #22
Ugh. 47of74 Aug 2013 #23
The DEA is chomping at the bit to get their dirty hands on the NSA data base. L0oniX Aug 2013 #24
Mostly semantics - If NSA feeding them info, same as if they have access askeptic Aug 2013 #35
welcome to the gulag n/t warrprayer Aug 2013 #25
Whatever it takes to keep our Prison-Industrial Complex fat & happy 99th_Monkey Aug 2013 #26
Well, score one for the tin foil hat crowd, huh? matthews Aug 2013 #27
K&R'd and bookmarked. snot Aug 2013 #31
Kick nt Hissyspit Aug 2013 #33
Kick n/t Tx4obama Aug 2013 #34
K&R#76 n/t bobthedrummer Aug 2013 #36

Jackpine Radical

(45,274 posts)
28. Exactly my thought. No wonder ya can't legalize pot in this country.
Mon Aug 5, 2013, 01:06 PM
Aug 2013

Not only does the DEA get all those helicopters, gunships, (no doubt) drones, and get to keep people's property, even if they were innocent, but they get to share information with the NSA, FBI, etc.

The roots of all these organizations are entangled. Effectively, we don't have separate agencies. The English-speaking world is under the domination of one single surveillance entity--or rather, the sinister forces, private and public, who control that surveillance network.

Downwinder

(12,869 posts)
2. I will probably be testing this one.
Mon Aug 5, 2013, 05:55 AM
Aug 2013

I regularly refer to my quarterly medication delivery as a drug drop.

 

dothemath

(345 posts)
9. The term ..........
Mon Aug 5, 2013, 08:04 AM
Aug 2013

'brass monkey' comes to mind, as in having the b**** of a brass monkey. I love the way you turn a phrase. Best of luck to you.

 

ceonupe

(597 posts)
3. And you wonder why
Mon Aug 5, 2013, 06:03 AM
Aug 2013

Gun rights supports don't trust giving up just a little information to the government.


NSA killed the gun control star for the next 10years min.

In fact these spying discoveres are doing serious damage to progressive causes as faitih in government goes further down the tube.

BainsBane

(53,029 posts)
5. Would it be possible to think of something besides weapons that kill people?
Mon Aug 5, 2013, 06:42 AM
Aug 2013

Just once?

The fact is your gun cause is backed by one of the biggest corporate lobbies in the country. Billions of dollars in profits are made from guns and murder. No one is going to take away your guns. Our lives are what is in jeopardy. Not that something as trivial as 32,000 people killed by guns every year matters to the gun evangelists.

 

ceonupe

(597 posts)
6. The point is people
Mon Aug 5, 2013, 07:25 AM
Aug 2013

Don't belive government will limit itself with information it gets.

This is proven over and over again. This is the reason people don't support registration schemes and mandatory insurance and other "saftey" claims from the controllers because we see their long term goal. Gun controllers are on record pushing for even more restrictive measures and then they wonder why gun right supporters don't support their "saftey" pushes.

Look at the background checks bill. It was not until almost the very end that the gun controllers dropped their push to make it a national registration scheme. Heck they even tried to add AWB to the bill via amendment. People won't be fooled. If they were serious about background checks and that only they would have brought a clean bill. They did not and it failed for all to see. Now add in NSA scandal and you get a public that just does not trust it's government to act in its best intrests.

This lack of trust hurts progressive polices that need the power of the government to implement many of the changes we want. Kind of hard to get people to buy in when every other week we found out last weeks response to the spying was a lie and its deeper than they admit.

Another poster said it better than me.

Gun controllers really want no guns just like abortion saftey advocates really want no abortion.

In the abortion fight it is going to states to make certain rules and requirements for "saftey" but the real reason is discourage women from seeking abortions. The claim that abortion facility saftey and requirements need to be enhanced are just ways to reduce abvilibility and increase cost thus reducing access. Then the crazy polls that are manipulated to show majority of Americans support 20 week limits.


Gun controllers most of them admit they don't want civilian gun ownership so they start with small things to enhance their overall goal. Claiming "saftey" industry "regulation" restrictions on certain types purely for cosmetic reasons. And manipulative polling.

The play book for both is almost the same. Sorry you can't see that.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
8. Back when the USA PATRIOT Act was new...
Mon Aug 5, 2013, 07:39 AM
Aug 2013

...DUers warned us about how it would be misused by the government. Of course, many said it was "just in their heads."

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midnight

(26,624 posts)
11. If you see something Say something campaign is big here in Wisconsin.....
Mon Aug 5, 2013, 08:28 AM
Aug 2013

"The undated documents show that federal agents are trained to "recreate" the investigative trail to effectively cover up where the information originated, a practice that some experts say violates a defendant's Constitutional right to a fair trial. If defendants don't know how an investigation began, they cannot know to ask to review potential sources of exculpatory evidence - information that could reveal entrapment, mistakes or biased witnesses."

nashville_brook

(20,958 posts)
14. leading to a complete collapse in faith in the justice system...as if
Mon Aug 5, 2013, 09:03 AM
Aug 2013

that hasn't already happened in minority communities. maybe this will wake up the rest of us?

starroute

(12,977 posts)
20. Nixon originally created the DEA to be a private presidential army
Mon Aug 5, 2013, 10:00 AM
Aug 2013

Watergate saved us from the worst of that, but the potential was built in from the start. According to Edward Jay Epstein's Agency of Fear:

http://www.edwardjayepstein.com/agency/chap34.htm

The proposal for a new narcotics superagency was submitted to Congress on March 28, 1973. Even though the House Committee on Government Operations noted, "The plan was hastily formed.... Administration witnesses were able to give the Sub-Committee only a bare outline of the proposed new organization and its functions," Congress refused to block the reorganization plan which purported to heighten the efficiency of the war against heroin. Accordingly, Reorganization Plan Number Two automatically became effective sixty days later, and the Drug Enforcement Agency (DEA) was created on July 1, 1973. The Bureau of Narcotics and Dangerous Drugs, which itself had been created by Reorganization Plan Number One, in 1967, was absorbed into the superagency, along with the Office for Drug Abuse Law Enforcement and the Office of National Narcotics Intelligence. In the process John Ingersoll's position as director of the BNDD was abolished, and the directors of the two other offices-Myles Ambrose and William Sullivan-resigned. Five hundred special agents of the Customs Bureau were transferred to this new agency, which employed. on paper, at least, more than four thousand agents and analysts and resembled the FBI as a domestic law-enforcement agency. John R. Bartels, the son of a federal judge who had been recommended for ODALE by Henry Petersen, was now named acting director of this new conglomerate.

If the Watergate burglars had not been arrested and connected to the White House strategists, the Drug Enforcement Agency might have served as the strong Investigative arm for domestic surveillance that President Nixon had long quested after. It had the authority to request wiretaps and no-knock warrants, and to submit targets to the Internal Revenue Service; and, with its contingent of former CIA and counterintelligence agents, it had the talent to enter residences surreptitiously, gather intelligence on the activities of other agencies of the government, and interrogate suspects. Yet, despite these potential powers, the efforts of the White House strategists had been effectively truncated by the Watergate exposures: Ehrlichman and Krogh were directly implicated. in the operations of the Plumbers; Sullivan had been involved in the administration's wiretapping program; and Liddy and Hunt were in prison. The grand design could not be realized, and DEA became simply a protean manifestation of the earlier narcotics agencies.

Bartels soon found, however, that it was not an easy matter to turn this superagency into a conventional narcotics police force. For one thing, when the special offices created by executive order were collapsed into the new agency, Bartels inherited some fifty-three former (or detached) CIA agents and a dozen counterintelligence experts from the military or other intelligence agencies-all of whom, under the original game plan, were supposed to work on special projects designated by the White House strategists. These high-level intelligence agents and analysts had a very different approach to narcotics intelligence from that of the traditional narcotics agent, who operated mainly by spreading "buy money" among his contacts in the underworld until someone attempted to sell him a significant quantity of narcotics. James Ludlum, a former CIA official who took over-the Office of Strategic Services of the new drug agency, explained to me, "My approach was not to arrest a few traffickers but to build the entire intelligence picture of what was going on in the drug world.... I wanted to identify the modus operandi of the major heroin wholesalers, and this meant acquiring a great deal of information which the drug agency did not possess about the patterns of narcotic use."

 

matthews

(497 posts)
30. Good God, I just went to that website. This whole freaking program was
Mon Aug 5, 2013, 01:26 PM
Aug 2013

founded on thuggery, deception, and brutality all under the name of 'law enforcement'.

denverbill

(11,489 posts)
21. You can bet this will be used against 'ecoterrorists' too.
Mon Aug 5, 2013, 10:38 AM
Aug 2013

You know, those dangerous threats to America's security that set lab animals free, burn SUVs, and protest pipelines.

askeptic

(478 posts)
35. Mostly semantics - If NSA feeding them info, same as if they have access
Tue Aug 6, 2013, 10:06 AM
Aug 2013

Some of the early Snowden releases indicated NSA was feeding law enforcement with data on Americans, and so this is the only way it can work -- recreate a phony discovery trail to hide the illegal discovery they've already done.

 

99th_Monkey

(19,326 posts)
26. Whatever it takes to keep our Prison-Industrial Complex fat & happy
Mon Aug 5, 2013, 12:59 PM
Aug 2013

Hell, the public pays for 90% occupancy rates in private prisons anyway,
may as well "get our money's worth".

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