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Robb

(39,665 posts)
Mon Aug 5, 2013, 08:49 AM Aug 2013

New study finds vast online marketplace for guns without background checks

Source: Washington Post

The study focused on Armslist.com — a popular classified site similar to Craigslist.org that facilitates private sales of firearms and ammunition based on location — and analyzed listings in the 10 states where both of their senators voted against a background checks compromise this spring.

At any given time, more than 15,000 guns were for sale in those states, according to the study, and more than 5,000 of them were semi-automatic weapons. Nearly 2,000 ads were from prospective buyers asking to buy specifically from private sellers, where no background checks are required.

(snip)

The National Rifle Association and other gun rights supporters have advocated against expanding the background check system because they believe doing so will not stop society’s most dangerous people from procuring weapons and eventually will lead to even stricter gun regulations, including a federal registry.

But gun-control advocates have long prioritized closing the gun show loophole, believing that is where people seeking to avoid background checks buy their firearms. Hatalsky noted that 17 states have closed the gun show loophole in their states, and that law enforcement officers have become savvy about scouring gun shows for people evading the law.

But online, she said, "nobody’s monitoring this. Nobody has any ability to stop these people who are looking for private sellers — and the only reason to do that is to evade the background check system."

Read more: http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/new-study-finds-vast-online-marketplace-for-guns-without-background-checks/2013/08/05/19809198-fd73-11e2-9711-3708310f6f4d_story.html



Between the gun issue and the Third Way, this should be a heck of DU food fight. That said, based on my own limited experience, these numbers don't seem unbelievable. That is an awful lot of guns.
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New study finds vast online marketplace for guns without background checks (Original Post) Robb Aug 2013 OP
Don't we now have Federal background checks? Since the ACLU was opposed to an expansion AnotherMcIntosh Aug 2013 #1
The ACLU's objection was to defacto registration hack89 Aug 2013 #3
Just like rust which never rests, those who want to irrationally overreach will be back. AnotherMcIntosh Aug 2013 #6
If Zimmer Man can still have a gun Cronus Protagonist Aug 2013 #2
He was acquitted hack89 Aug 2013 #5
So? Cronus Protagonist Aug 2013 #8
It should be hard to take away Constitutional rights hack89 Aug 2013 #9
you're heaven05 Aug 2013 #11
I didn't bring him up - please read the whole thread hack89 Aug 2013 #13
oh heaven05 Aug 2013 #14
The 2A is part of the Bill of Rights whether you like it or not. nt hack89 Aug 2013 #17
clueless heaven05 Aug 2013 #18
"The 2nd amendment protects a legitimate individual right" - Barack Obama hack89 Aug 2013 #20
the heaven05 Aug 2013 #21
So the President and the party platform are wrong? Really? nt hack89 Aug 2013 #24
like heaven05 Aug 2013 #26
I will always march with my President and party. hack89 Aug 2013 #27
the heaven05 Aug 2013 #30
I don't think he is the clueless one in this discussion. nt Mojorabbit Aug 2013 #33
well heaven05 Aug 2013 #34
and heaven05 Aug 2013 #15
"The 2nd amendment protects a legitimate individual right" - Barack Obama hack89 Aug 2013 #19
Our Constitutional Scholar took an awful long time dickthegrouch Aug 2013 #22
What about our party platform? hack89 Aug 2013 #25
I'm proud to be in front of the pack, as usual. dickthegrouch Aug 2013 #28
ok nt hack89 Aug 2013 #29
+ heaven05 Aug 2013 #12
I buy a lot from private sellers michreject Aug 2013 #4
My state has universal background checks - they work very well. nt hack89 Aug 2013 #7
wow heaven05 Aug 2013 #10
Any chance Anonymous could mount one of their attacks on this site? DeltaLitProf Aug 2013 #16
The NSA has all this info dickthegrouch Aug 2013 #23
Actually, an interesting point. How many support NSA tracking of gun-owners? Eleanors38 Aug 2013 #31
"...and the only reason to do that is to evade the background check system." Jenoch Aug 2013 #32
I'm using facebook groups to find used firearms. ileus Aug 2013 #35
Don't forget the main reason Sgent Aug 2013 #36
There is no loophole! --says the NRA. Kingofalldems Aug 2013 #37
 

AnotherMcIntosh

(11,064 posts)
1. Don't we now have Federal background checks? Since the ACLU was opposed to an expansion
Mon Aug 5, 2013, 09:53 AM
Aug 2013

of what now exists when the recent Senate Bill was defeated, shouldn't we demonize them as well?

hack89

(39,171 posts)
3. The ACLU's objection was to defacto registration
Mon Aug 5, 2013, 10:04 AM
Aug 2013

they oppose registration on privacy grounds. The legislation was rewritten to address the ACLU's concerns.

 

AnotherMcIntosh

(11,064 posts)
6. Just like rust which never rests, those who want to irrationally overreach will be back.
Mon Aug 5, 2013, 10:11 AM
Aug 2013

I know of no proposed legislation in a final form now in existence which is addressing the ACLU's concerns.

hack89

(39,171 posts)
9. It should be hard to take away Constitutional rights
Mon Aug 5, 2013, 10:33 AM
Aug 2013

whether it be guns, speech or personal freedom. We drew the line along time ago - conviction of a felony or adjudication of mental illness. Neither apply to Zimmerman.

 

heaven05

(18,124 posts)
11. you're
Mon Aug 5, 2013, 10:58 AM
Aug 2013

right, neither apply, your hero was/is just a racist hater of blacks. Although maybe the mental illness is very well hidden by zimPIG..geez You bringing that POS up in defending your point. I don't think you really had/have a problem with the verdict. ...........

hack89

(39,171 posts)
13. I didn't bring him up - please read the whole thread
Mon Aug 5, 2013, 11:02 AM
Aug 2013

He is not my hero. I have consistently said he was guilty

I don't want to make it easier to restrict civil rights just because some don't like the results of a single trial.

 

heaven05

(18,124 posts)
14. oh
Mon Aug 5, 2013, 11:05 AM
Aug 2013

please spare me. I did read the whole post and edited my response to you. You minimize american gun culture insanity to one trial and shameful verdict? Civil rights? You are good.

hack89

(39,171 posts)
20. "The 2nd amendment protects a legitimate individual right" - Barack Obama
Mon Aug 5, 2013, 11:18 AM
Aug 2013

I am merely following in my President's steps.

 

heaven05

(18,124 posts)
30. the
Mon Aug 5, 2013, 11:56 AM
Aug 2013

parade of sanity when it comes to killing implements in the hands of citizens of a culturally, historically violent country. B.O. has a political view of the 2nd amendment, that is he is mollifying people like you. 'The district of columbia vs. heller' states my objections to assault rifles, zimPIGs carrying any type of weapon, children in the streets with weapons, shooting at each other. There are too many weapons in circulation. Period. I can't do anything about that, yet I can strongly object to the ease in which it is possible for a child to obtain a weapon. How easy is is for psychotics like zimPIG and crooks in general to ccw and/or obtain illegal weapons respectively. Yeah you can ramble on about 'rights', what are you doing about wrongs?

 

heaven05

(18,124 posts)
15. and
Mon Aug 5, 2013, 11:09 AM
Aug 2013

by the way, 2nd amendment rights were for forming a militia for the times. How that got extrapolated into personal ownership of killing implements astounds me. Gun nuts are just that. NUTS!!!!!

hack89

(39,171 posts)
19. "The 2nd amendment protects a legitimate individual right" - Barack Obama
Mon Aug 5, 2013, 11:17 AM
Aug 2013

The Democratic party platform says the same thing.

The President taught Constitutional law - I will assume he knows what he is talking about.

dickthegrouch

(3,173 posts)
22. Our Constitutional Scholar took an awful long time
Mon Aug 5, 2013, 11:28 AM
Aug 2013

to understand same-sex marriage equality in constitutional terms.
I am not impressed with his interpretation of the constitution.

I am impressed with the speed with things have changed once he came around on same-sex marriage. But how a black man could have allowed religious dogma to prevent us from marrying for another 5 years in California is utterly incomprehensible to me. (Biden's response in the 2008 VP debate was highly prejudicial to the No on 8 campaign).

hack89

(39,171 posts)
25. What about our party platform?
Mon Aug 5, 2013, 11:31 AM
Aug 2013

can't put that on the President - the fact of the matter is that you are out of step with many Democrats.

michreject

(4,378 posts)
4. I buy a lot from private sellers
Mon Aug 5, 2013, 10:08 AM
Aug 2013

Not because of no background check but because I can get a better history of the guns use.

 

heaven05

(18,124 posts)
10. wow
Mon Aug 5, 2013, 10:52 AM
Aug 2013

that just proves that lax and weak gun laws are easily circumvented. In america, guns, like money, is king. Everything thing else pales to insignificance. oh and I went to article and site. Truly amazing how clueless and uncaring gun nuts are in our culture. Bushmaster killing implement. 850.00.geez

DeltaLitProf

(769 posts)
16. Any chance Anonymous could mount one of their attacks on this site?
Mon Aug 5, 2013, 11:11 AM
Aug 2013

They'd truly being doing a good service for humanity.

 

Eleanors38

(18,318 posts)
31. Actually, an interesting point. How many support NSA tracking of gun-owners?
Mon Aug 5, 2013, 12:04 PM
Aug 2013

Currently, the U.S. has no gun registration out if privacy concerns, concerns shared by the ACLU.

How many DUers are concerned that among the other constitutional privacy concerns raised by the NSA's uncontrolled expansion into a security state, that a "de facto registration" is sought by the feds? So they can collate, create mosaics, and manipulate matrices?

Or is this a wink, nod & murmur: "Okay by me?"

 

Jenoch

(7,720 posts)
32. "...and the only reason to do that is to evade the background check system."
Mon Aug 5, 2013, 01:01 PM
Aug 2013

I have never purchased a gun through the classifieds, either in a printed newspaper or online. I do know that gun collectors who do locate and purchase guns in that manner do so not to avoid a background check. They do it because that's where the gun is.

ileus

(15,396 posts)
35. I'm using facebook groups to find used firearms.
Mon Aug 5, 2013, 02:55 PM
Aug 2013

Right now I have 27 BST groups I visit each day. I'm not in the market right now but you never know what you'll find.

Sgent

(5,857 posts)
36. Don't forget the main reason
Mon Aug 5, 2013, 10:04 PM
Aug 2013

is to save money.

If I purchase from gun-broker.com or other sites the seller and buyer have to each pay $20-$40 per gun for the services of FFL's to transfer the gun.

If I sell it via classifieds to someone local, no such fees.

Considering many guns are only $200-$300 used (if that), $40-$80 is a fairly hefty transaction price. This might be a legitimate reason to prefer private sales.

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