Exclusive: After Multiple Denials, CIA Admits to Snooping on Noam Chomsky
Source: Foreign Policy
For years, the Central Intelligence Agency denied it had a secret file on MIT professor and famed dissident Noam Chomsky. But a new government disclosure obtained by The Cable reveals for the first time that the agency did in fact gather records on the anti-war iconoclast during his heyday in the 1970s.
The disclosure also reveals that Chomsky's entire CIA file was scrubbed from Langley's archives, raising questions as to when the file was destroyed and under what authority.
The breakthrough in the search for Chomsky's CIA file comes in the form of a Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) request to the Federal Bureau of Investigation. For years, FOIA requests to the CIA garnered the same denial: "We did not locate any records responsive to your request." The denials were never entirely credible, given Chomsky's brazen anti-war activism in the 60s and 70s -- and the CIA's well-documented track record of domestic espionage in the Vietnam era. But the CIA kept denying, and many took the agency at its word.
Now, a public records request by FOIA attorney Kel McClanahan reveals a memo between the CIA and the FBI that confirms the existence of a CIA file on Chomsky.
Read more: http://thecable.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2013/08/13/after_multiple_denials_cia_admits_to_snooping_on_noam_chomsky?wp_login_redirect=0
The more things change etc. etc. etc. lather rinse repeat...
You have to create a FP account to read this, but it's worth it, and takes 30 seconds. The declassified docs are posted in the article.
NYC_SKP
(68,644 posts)They have a file on you, I'll betcha.
K/R
warrant46
(2,205 posts)Or how many bugs they put in his house or how many of his friends they bugged and followed
kelliekat44
(7,759 posts)Autumn
(45,049 posts)Recommended.
L0oniX
(31,493 posts)BlueManFan
(256 posts)MarkLaw
(204 posts)BlueManFan
(256 posts)but the good news is Obama pipes a good tune while we're marching.
MNBrewer
(8,462 posts)pnwmom
(108,975 posts)Fuddnik
(8,846 posts)They're lying scumbags. Always have been. Always will be.
They lie to the Executive. They lie to Congress. They lie to the Judiciary. They even lie to each other.
It's in the job description.
Warren Stupidity
(48,181 posts)heaven05
(18,124 posts)WillyT
(72,631 posts)bemildred
(90,061 posts)AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)The CIA is supposed to be investigating FOREIGN governments, organizations, and individuals. What the fuck is it doing spying domestically?
"And you shall know the truth and the truth shall make you free."
warrant46
(2,205 posts)Ian_rd
(2,124 posts)arcane1
(38,613 posts)ronnie624
(5,764 posts)RevStPatrick
(2,208 posts)That's a no brainer.
He's an international figure, which is probably why the CIA was interested, and he speaks truth to power.
I'm sure the FBI has a file on me, having investigated both my parents (Mom for getting arrested in Chicago in 1968, Dad for working on The Pentagon Papers) and because I was a member of a high-profile hippie commune in the Haight-Ashbury, which was there and visible for many years.
So I've probably got an FBI file.
And you know what?
I've decided I'm fine with that.
In fact, I welcome it.
I WANT the fascists to know what I think of them.
I welcome their hatred and suspicion.
I WANT them to know that this piddly little nobody of an ant on their picnic table is shaking his fist at them while telling them to fuck themselves.
Go ahead, fascists.
Keep all the files on me you want.
You can't hurt me...
mountain grammy
(26,618 posts)There have been times and events during my lifetime when I've felt that NOT being on the government's radar means you're not engaged in trying to change a corrupt system; even if you're only registering people to vote or donating to liberal candidates.
Personally, I want to be a "piddly little nobody of an ant on their picnic table" .. shaking my fist at them while telling them to fuck themselves. Us ants are people too, my friend.
bemildred
(90,061 posts)Mysterysouppe
(68 posts)From the article: "Chomsky's entire CIA file was scrubbed from Langley's archives...." No, it wasn't. They just moved it somewhere else. This kind of stuff never goes away.
bananas
(27,509 posts)libodem
(19,288 posts)Despicable. CIA is for spying on other countries not on us.
That was one of Frank Church's legacies.
DissidentVoice
(813 posts)Chomsky has been a thorn in the arse of the far right for a long time. I'm just surprised it took them this long to own up to it.
Lugal Zaggesi
(366 posts)Oh, you mean THAT Noam Chomsky ?
Yeah, we spied on him.
Cryptoad
(8,254 posts)limpyhobbler
(8,244 posts)Many of us won't we around to find out.
There is just too much secrecy.
Major Nikon
(36,827 posts)limpyhobbler
(8,244 posts)Ash_F
(5,861 posts)The CIA is full of pubs
The NSA is full of pubs
The DNI is full of pubs
The FISA court is full of pubs
Do you think you are supporting Democrats on this? What do you think Republicans will do with this kind of power? Did you think this was only going to be used against rightwing Muslim terrorists? It is time for a reality check.
Dems are shooting themselves in the foot.
sweetapogee
(1,168 posts)you forgot Ireland. Ireland is full of pubs.
And London. And Boston. And Belmar.
All of them are full of pubs.
Warren Stupidity
(48,181 posts)Ash_F
(5,861 posts)msanthrope
(37,549 posts)Ash_F
(5,861 posts)msanthrope
(37,549 posts)Ash_F
(5,861 posts)Do you know the names of the Judges on the FISA court? Do you know who appointed them?
spoiler alert: They are Republicans
msanthrope
(37,549 posts)Ash_F
(5,861 posts)msanthrope
(37,549 posts)a "Republican" because he was appointed by Republicans, I think you miss the fact that Reggie Walton earned his judgeship, and has not lived the life of a "Republican."
Ask Scooter Libby.
Ash_F
(5,861 posts)msanthrope
(37,549 posts)also Republican choices. I don't complain about them. Do you?
Sometimes Republicans choose people of merit.
* to the federal district bench.
Ash_F
(5,861 posts)Except FISA has shown to be a rubber stamp that never denied any of their secret warrants, ever. 10 of the other 11 FISA positions are Republican nominations as well. Do you honestly think it is not a right wing court?
Do you think Chomsky needs to be watched?
msanthrope
(37,549 posts)of those files--presumably decades ago.
I don't think Chomsky needs watching, any more than any other octogenarian does. He's called this incident a "minor peccadillo" and I think that's about right.
http://www.salon.com/2013/08/14/chomsky_my_cia_file_minor_peccadillo_compared_to_today/
Ash_F
(5,861 posts)"...compared to today" <- the other, more important, part of the quote. Spot on.
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)Noam Chomsky is a dangerous radical with subversive sentiments.
LuvNewcastle
(16,844 posts)they say they aren't spying on Americans. People who tell you they aren't are either lying or ignorant.
bvar22
(39,909 posts)"People who tell you they (the Government) aren't (spying on Americans) are either lying or ignorant."
Octafish
(55,745 posts)And everybody who thinks like Chomsky...
dgibby
(9,474 posts)bobthedrummer
(26,083 posts)ForgoTheConsequence
(4,868 posts)Chomsky isn't an "ordinary person", so it's OK if we spy on him.
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/obama-touts-nsa-reforms-america-interested-spying-ordinary/story?id=19917180
bvar22
(39,909 posts).."they" LIE.
The CIA LIES.
The NSA LIES.
The Government Leadership LIES.
They say they have permission to LIE to protect "National Security",
but they LIE just to cover their own ass,
they LIE for MONEY,
they LIE to protect their Gravy Train,
they LIE to cover their incompetence,
they LIE to cover their War Crimes,
they LIE because THAT is WHO they ARE,
they LIE because that is what our government has become,
they LIE because the Peasants are easy to fool,
they LIE because they believe YOU don't have a right to know the truth,
they LIE because that amuses them,
they LIE because WE let them.
The LIE because IF the American Working Class and The Poor ever realize how much they have been LIED to over the last 30 years,
there will be HELL to pay.
ConcernedCanuk
(13,509 posts).
.
.
Just a matter of time . . .
It's getting close
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indepat
(20,899 posts)brother, Wall Street, the corporate oligarchy.
cantbeserious
(13,039 posts)eom
idwiyo
(5,113 posts)truebluegreen
(9,033 posts)Shocking, I know.
Pterodactyl
(1,687 posts)msanthrope
(37,549 posts)Chomsky in the 70's, and 2) destroy said records sometime subsequent. Personally, I think he did it on the trip that planted the 'birth certificate' in Hawaii.
Pterodactyl
(1,687 posts)I'm HOPING that he was simply in the dark, but I doubt it.
msanthrope
(37,549 posts)tex-wyo-dem
(3,190 posts)Imagine how much easier it is now to have a "file" on dissidents or anyone who has the gal to question the establishment.
I'm quite certain that that is one way Occupy was delt with...anyone who emerged as a leader, effectively neutralized.
cantbeserious
(13,039 posts)eom
Melinda
(5,465 posts)TBF
(32,047 posts)They consider the Freedom Road Socialist Org a terrorist organization. Yet the bankers steal millions of homes and it's "business as usual".
ananda
(28,856 posts)... like or join the Chomsky Facebook page.
Me ... I'm a completely transparent bubble.
I say, snoop all you want. Maybe you'll
learn something.
And yes, Chomsky is in my FB feed page.
msanthrope
(37,549 posts)Zuckerberg already has more on you than you will ever know.
6000eliot
(5,643 posts)He was always one of their most articulate critics.
Peace Patriot
(24,010 posts)...that the U.S.A. has become. Eisenhower (of all people) gave us the phrase "military-industrial complex" (MIC) and warned, in his last speech in office, that the MIC would destroy our democracy. It's become a handy phrase for the vipers' nest of war profiteers who run things now, but the phrase itself (great as it is) doesn't adequately describe the consequences to civil society and to allegedly civilian-run government of a country run by, skillfully propagandized by and massively looted by immensely powerful, transnational, anti-democratic corporations, war profiteers and banksters.
When we learn of something like this--that the "CIA" was tracking Noam Chomsky--we, in a sense, dismiss it. We are used to stories about "CIA" violations of their alleged legal constraints on domestic activity (let alone the horrors they commit elsewhere). They may even release such stories as a sort of inoculation process, to induce a "ho-hum" attitude in the controlled populace. Nothing ever comes of these news items. Whatever the "CIA" offense, it just gets swallowed up in the great corporate news monopoly river of forgetfulness. We need to ask WHY THIS HAPPENS. Why and how does this 'out-of-control' agency just keep on keeping on, from one generation to the next, from one outrage to the next, even in the face of 'investigations' (rare to non-existent these days) and big 'scandals' and 'controversies'?
The "CIA" would not and could not keep violating the law, time and again, decade after decade, unless they were deeply rooted in the "MIC"--in the system of war profiteering and massive looting that has transformed our country from a democracy into a militocracy (there's a word!). But, more than this, there is a massive root system sucking nutrients out of the populace, feeding a big branching tree above ground--the visible part of the system--that we can't see. We can't see the whole structure. We see its visible parts, its effects. We can't follow the underground veins in this system that suck our lifeblood into the "tree"--that, say, connect the Senator to the Pentagon 'contractor' to the controls on the Senator in a file somewhere in Langley, or to, say, ES&S (monopoly over U.S. voting machines, all run on 'TRADE SECRET' code*) or the Miami mafia's or the Bush Cartel's use of the "war on drugs" to eliminate their rivals.
There are all these subterranean connections that GIVE the "CIA"--and now, every U.S. agency (the NSA, the FBI, the DEA, et al, entertwined with private, transglobal corporations)--the PROTECTION to do WHATEVER is deemed necessary to perpetuate the power, the looting and the farce that 'our government' has become. Vast domestic spying, natch. That goes without saying. And that very reaction--that it "goes without saying"--is a DESIRED reaction. (Talk about "Catch 22." Nothing will be done about this, nor about the PURPOSES of the vast domestic spying. We are helpless before it. There is NO HOPE that anything will be done.
I hate to insult Nature by comparing what I'm trying to describe to a big, spreading oak tree, with a big spreading underground root system. Others have called it an "octopus." But neither image is fair to innocent trees or wild life. This gigantic war machine is our own human creation. We are all part of it, in one way another. But we, as a people, do NOT have ANY control over it. Each of us is just one cell in the roots or the trunk, carrying nutrients (our money, our work, our families, our communities) from the part of the system we can't see into the part of the system we can see, to our dismay--the wars that nobody wants, the vast imprisonment of the poor, the vast disenfranchisement of the poor, insurance corp-run health care, the wreckage of our educational system, a billion dollars to run for 'president,' etc., etc.
We can't seem to do anything about any of these things. Why? WHY?
There is no adequate name for this that I know of. The "police state." The "surveillance state." The "military-industrial complex." The United States of American Fascism? "Fascism" seems an antique word that calls up visions of strutting, military-clad dictators. This is much, much harder to see--much bigger, much more devious and much harder to fight. How do you fight a 'tree'--an entity with a vast, unseeable, only guessable, entrenched root system?
To continue the insult to Nature: You can cut down the tree, but the root system remains, making the land untillable. Worse, though, cutting down the tree is catastrophic--because we are all living cells in this system. Even the crazy jihadists, who would whack it down if they could, are part of the 'tree' they would fell. They may not want to be, but they are. This is a world problem, not just a domestic problem. (Just one for instance: The "CIA" CREATED Al Qaeda, in the '80s, to evict the Soviet Union from Afghanistan! 'WE' CREATED Al Qaeda!). The underground root system of this 'fascist' 'tree' feeds on conflict and CREATES the conflict that it feeds on.
How could the disaster of the U.S. war on Iraq have occurred? And another important question: What was the nature of the internal war between Pentagon and the CIA that Rumsfeld/Cheney started (and that I think was ended by Leon Panetta, under commission from Bush Sr.)? (Panetta was a member of Bush Sr.'s "Iraq Study Group," i.e., "old CIA." Both things are hidden, deep down in the root system of this evil tree. (Sorry, Mother Nature!) We will NEVER see anything about either question in the corporate press. But these are among the most important questions, because they lead to the root system from which visible things--like Snowden's NSA spying revelations--emerge.**
As for naming what our country has become, there is no historical precedent that is adequate. We see aspects of the Roman Empire here, chilling hints of Nazi Germany there, resemblance to prior Oligarchies, to the "Robber Baron" era, to the British Empire and the East India Company, to Early and Medieval Europe (the Church's international power and propaganda machine), to Bourbon rule in France, and more. If you read and understand history, you have to be very, very worried that the U.S. is simply repeating the ills of the past inflicted by the rich and powerful on everybody else.
But I think that what we are seeing is something new, by way of governmental ills. It is bigger and scarier than anything that has happened before, because it is so hard to see, and because it has been so clever at maintaining an illusion of consent (as Chomsky has, of course, pointed out); also, because of its sheer power--military/nuclear and economic/political--on a global scale.
For me, the ES&S monopoly over vote counting is the most egregious (and obvious--to me, anyway) example of "how to manufacture consent." You make it SEEM LIKE people voted that way. Wow! What evil brilliance! You CAN'T SEE IT. The vote counting is invisible ('TRADE SECRET' code). And the entire subject has been 'black-holed' in the corporate press (who, if they were a real press corps, would have have exposed this long ago--would have screamed it from the rooftops!)
I'm going to propose a name for what I'm trying to describe: The Unspeakable.
I recommend James Douglass' book, "JFK and the Unspeakable: Why He Died and Why It Matters." I think we need to begin, back then, in the modern era, understand what happened THEN (and Douglass really does understand it--I'd put him right up there with Daniel Ellsberg, among the most reliable truthtellers we have), to understand what's happening now and what our country has become NOW. Why. It. Matters.
The Unspeakable Empire.
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*(Another interesting root trail: Chuck Hagel, current Sec of Defense, was one of the founders of the original ES&S--e-voting with no paper trail--which did the so-called 'counting' of votes in his first Senate election. ES&S (which bought out Diebold) now has a 75% monopoly over U.S. voting systems, all run on 'TRADE SECRET' code. Half the states do NO AUDIT AT ALL (comparison of actual ballots to machine totals) and the other half do only an extremely inadequate 1% audit. So, the guy who helped invent/install all this--privatized vote 'counting'--and who first benefited from it, has now been elevated to front man for the "military-industrial complex," i.e., the Pentagon. Where did he come from? Who groomed him for this role? I'm thinking, vaguely, "CIA," but I don't really know. WHO can do this? CREATE candidates, put them in office, elevate them, write the 'narrative' of their successes, and send all the connections into the river of forgetfulness? The "CIA" is a convenient umbrella word. But I don't think that it, or the "MIC," is adequate.
(I had to laugh the other day when Hillary Clinton called for election reform. NOT included: getting rid of Hagel's 'TRADE SECRET' voting systems!) (See for yourself: http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014563686. The vote suppression tactics she's talking about would not be possible if ES&S was not installing fascist Pukes into high state offices. She DOESN'T attack the root--she attacks the branch. There is a part we can see and a part we can't see--the unspeakable part. Our Democratic leaders don't dare attack the root problem, because THAT root problem is connected to all the other root problems, in the unseeable system of control. If she DID strike at the root, she would be quickly smeared and removed from the corporate news gabble they call "politics" or--subtler yet--allow her to exhaust herself running for president and easily--EASILY!--fix the 'vote' to defeat her.)
--
**(I am currently thinking through the possibility that the Snowden revelations are actually an "inoculation" project of the "CIA." Reveal the worst (or some of the worst), get people used to it, induce despair over ever changing it, and keep on keeping on, with this outrage and the next, and all the ones we don't know about. I think it is a POSSIBILITY. That's all I'm saying. I want to stress this, because, a) Daniel Ellsberg has endorsed Snowden, and Daniel Ellsberg is one of THE most reliable truthtellers on this planet, and b) the FAR GREATER POSSIBILITY is that Snowden is simply one of our most courageous people and acted on his conscience--that is, he is exactly who he seems to be. There is a third possibility, that Snowden is exactly who he seems to be, but this entity I've been trying to describe--the root of all our problems, the unspeakable system of which the "CIA" is only one manifestation--PERMITTED him to do what he's done, for its own reasons ("inoculation" being one possible reason; controlling Obama and installing Jeb/Bush Junta II, next up, is another). We need to be very wary of public controversies conducted in the corporate media. We need to constantly question them--deeply question them--as Noam Chomsky and other great educators have taught us to do. There is the highly manipulated "play" that is presented to us, and there is the truth. We may grasp or infer bits and pieces of the truth from the "play" but the "play's" main narrative is grossly false--antithetical to our interests, anti-democratic, disempowering and wholly in service to the richest few, the Unspeakable cabal that is running things.)
copernicusrev
(44 posts)Your posts are highly appreciated and important. This is very revealing.
Full transcript of Australian News release reveals there was a 2nd plane - a Sukhoi fighter jet.
http://www.news.com.au/national/full-transcript-russian-backed-rebels-ransack-the-wreckage-of-mh17-in-shocking-17-minute-video/story-e6frfkp9-1227444629703
I cut out the portions from the official released transcript of the 17 minute video that the 4 minute video was taken from that relate to the Sukhoi. For some reason Australian News chose to only release a portion of the video but release the full transcript for the whole video. Very strange.
They say the Sukhoi (Fighter) brought down the civilian plane and ours brought down the fighter.
Background: But where is the Sukhoi?
Where is the Sukhoi then?
Background: Its confusing. No idea where the Sukhoi is, its burning here and there and debris everywhere.
They saw a pilot crawling at Rassipnaya. A pilot was seen crawling.
Cmdr: The other plane that fell down, they are after them, the pilots.
Background: The second one?
Cmdr: Yes, theres 2 planes taken down. We need the second.
Background: The second one is a civilian too?
Background: The fighter jet brought down this one, and our people brought down the fighter.
Background: They decided to do it this way, to look like we have brought down the plane.
Yes Kalyian. I understood you, but were already at the crash site. A passenger plane was brought down. They brought down the passenger plane and we brought down the fighter.
Were at the crash site.
On the other side of the field.
Cmdr: The parachute jumpers are there.
Background: But there are two planes, from my understanding.
Background: And whats the other one? A Sukoi?
Cmdr: A Sukhoi.
The Sukhoi brought down the plane and we brought down the Sukhoi.
Is it far from here? Where did it fall?
Looks like
Wheres the smoke coming from?
Somewhere else it is burning, the 49 village.
I mean
the two pilots landed on parachutes.
Cmdr: Five parachutes jumped off this plane. Five people jumped off this plane on the bird site. How to get there?
OK well go there soon. Well see. OK then.
I recommend saving screen shots of this before the page is taken down.
sarcasmo
(23,968 posts)OutNow
(863 posts)I was part of a lawsuit in the 1970s against the FBI, CIA, DIA, etc. and their illegal harassment, spying, and VERY dirty tactics against political activists. The government program was known as COINTELPRO. You can Google it and read how your government treats dissidents. In case you think all that bad behavior stopped decades ago, please consider the government actions against the OCCUPY movement. Nothing has changed, and because of advances in computer and network technology, it's gotten worse.
Zorra
(27,670 posts)ucrdem
(15,512 posts)Noam barely rates as mention, as one of two endorsers. Whatever his connection to the CIA is or might have been, this story is determined to plant false ideas and is full of baloney and misdirection. And so, no surprise, is Noam Chomsky.
My guess is his file can be found in the employee section.