Fast food strikes to massively expand: “They’re thinking much bigger”
Source: Salon.com
Top union officials tell Salon the largest mobilization of fast food workers in U.S. history is about to get huge
By Josh Eidelson
Fast food strikers will escalate their campaign within the next week and a half, according to the key union backing their recent walkouts.
In a Monday interview in her Washington, D.C., office, Service Employees International Union president Mary Kay Henry told Salon that SEIU members see the fast food workers as standing up for all of us. Because the conditions are exactly the same. Henry was joined by SEIU assistant to the president for organizing Scott Courtney, who said to expect a big escalation from fast food workers in the next week or 10 days. Two weeks after one-day strikes by thousands of employees in the growing, non-union, low-wage industry, Courtney said, I think theyre thinking much bigger, and while the irons hot they ought to strike. No pun intended.
As Salon has reported, SEIU has been the key player behind the past years wave of fast food strikes, which began with a surprise walkout in New York City last November, spread this year to cities in the Midwest and West Coast, and escalated last month with strikes in seven cities over four days by far the largest mobilization of fast food workers in the history of the United States.
FULL story at link.
Read more: http://www.salon.com/2013/08/14/fast_food_strikes_massively_expanding_theyre_thinking_much_bigger/
Demonstrators in support of fast food workers march towards a McDonald's, Monday, July 29, 2013, in New York.(Credit: John Minchillo)
NYC_SKP
(68,644 posts)Jackpine Radical
(45,274 posts)The kids wanted to earn enough to maybe buy a jalopy & whatever electronics & music were in fashion at the time. They saw themselves as short-termers & had no particular incentive to unionize. But in these times, adults are sometimes trying to feed their families on jobs like this, so unionizing for a living wage suddenly has a level of support that the kids on their own could never have pulled off. Interesting--the kids now have a bunch of older, more serious, role models to observe & from whom to learn labor organizing.
JusticeForAll
(1,222 posts)brooklynite
(94,384 posts)...does that mean I have to eat there if they finally settle?
maindawg
(1,151 posts)I think the bigger question is the minimum wage as far the rest of us go. A rising tide floats all boats. Its time for the people to stand up to corporate America and demand a fair share.
BadgerKid
(4,549 posts)Unless corporate headquarters foregoes some profit. Corporations have a little breathing room since the ACA employer mandate was delayed until 2015.
daleanime
(17,796 posts)the wage increase could be easy covered with minor price increases, 20¢ here-40¢ there.
Not that companies are not trying for too large a profit margin.
LongTomH
(8,636 posts)Last edited Wed Aug 14, 2013, 09:41 PM - Edit history (1)
It hasn't reduced the number of minimum wage jobs yet.
Ooops. Edited to correct subject line!
Omaha Steve
(99,506 posts)http://www.forbes.com/sites/timworstall/2013/08/02/the-real-change-in-the-cost-of-a-big-mac-if-mcdonalds-workers-were-paid-15-an-hour-nothing/
8/02/2013 @ 5:00AM |15,263 views
I will admit to having been amused at the error strewn Huffington Post piece which insisted that doubling the wages of McDonalds workers to $15 an hour would have only a minimal effect on the price of a Big Mac or the dollar menu. Clare OConnor here at Forbes describes what went on. My amusement isnt at the errors in the calculation, nor in the way that it was subsequently re-reported. We all make errors at times and the important thing is what one then does: just as Mother always said, fess up and try not to do it again. On which point everyone has acted excellently.
My amusement rather is about the fact that a doubling of, or a halving of, or any other change in, the wages of McDonald's MCD -0.35% workers will have absolutely no effect whatsoever on the price of a Big Mac or the dollar menu. For prices are not set by the cost of production of something, but by the supply and demand for that item.
Adam Ozimek makes an excellent point here about changes in labour costs. The choices available are not only whether to raise prices in order to cope with those changes in costs. Instead, a change in the price of labour leads to the opportunity to substitute capital for labour.
Doubling of labor costs will simply increase a fast food restaurants incentives to adopt technology like this. And if fast food wages doubled everywhere it would spur the development of these technologies even faster.
FULL story at link.
tclambert
(11,085 posts)It surprised the researcher and everyone else. He compared real cases where one state increased the minimum wage while a neighboring state did not. Expectations from decades of political arguments and economic modeling by economists making various assumptions always predicted a loss of jobs. In reality, jobs increased.
I have long suspected that increasing the minimum wage has a stimulating effect on the economy, since minimum wage workers with more money will spend that money quickly and the money gets re-spent over and over, providing more than one dollar of stimulus for each dollar of increased pay. The increase in business activity would actually require hiring more workers.
But when I tried to find studies of this question I found to my great disgust that, to simplify their models, economists routinely assume increasing the minimum wage has exactly zero effect on the overall economy. That the gains should precisely balance the losses was the one outcome I dismissed as ludicrous. I was prepared to find I had it backwards, though I didn't expect that. To have them assume zero just exasperates me.
That's when I stumbled on the state to state comparison. They have apparently repeated this study with many pairs or groups of states and continue to find the surprising result that increasing the minimum wage INCREASES the workforce.
calimary
(81,139 posts)I would think it would be in EVERYONE'S interest from sea to shining sea, whatever the economic background, to make sure that the people who prepare and serve our food, REGARDLESS of the restaurant or drive-through joint or wherever, have access to affordable health care for themselves and their families. You really want 'em sick, hacking and coughing, sneezing, spreading colds and other ailments - near your food??????? How 'bout handling your food? I think they damn well deserve good health care. Maybe the best health care available!!!! Those folks work damn hard, and for pittance! And they usually get very little respect. And folks at McDonalds and such places get no tips, either.
BadgerKid
(4,549 posts)While there are many ways to contribute to worker happiness, if it can be accomplished by providing more wages, that's great.
I totally forgot about the multiplier effect, so my apologies. No wonder the GOP has sat on jobs stimulus because it helps Pres. Obama.
DirtyDawg
(802 posts)...wage-scale has been at the core of the fast food - and the rest of retail too, for that matter - industry plan, they seem determined to hold onto it at all costs. Seems to me The South had the same idea about its 'labor strategy'...and it took a war and hundreds of thousands of lives to change that one. Hopefully, a growing work-stoppage will open the eyes of enough 'progressive-thinking' corporations (LOL) and they'll decide to break the logjam of greed and inertia without a shooting war.
Odious justice
(197 posts)olddots
(10,237 posts)NOT !
awoke_in_2003
(34,582 posts)Unless you mean that Labor is finally realizing how big they are. Shut the whole mother fucker down- then maybe people will get the point.
fascisthunter
(29,381 posts)not some priviledged fantasy world reliant on everyone else around them, who they deny for their own prosperity out of cowardice.
SleeplessinSoCal
(9,088 posts)but they pay over $10 an hour and keep their personnel longer. I think McDonalds' is scared that they will lose a lot of customers to the better burger joints. They needn't be because I think their distinct taste becomes a craving.
Nevernose
(13,081 posts)I remember when Nevada had a vote in the general election to raise the minimum wage to one dollar above the federally set wage (so $8.25 an hour). After a year of Koch brothers spending, Chamber of Commerce advertising, and general right wing nuttiness on the issue, the conservatives were shocked when something like eighty percent of voters voted to raise the minimum wage. That means all of the Democrats and more than half of the Republicans chose to support the working poor, in the middle of a depression in one of the states hardest hits by that depression.
PopeOxycontinI
(176 posts)There was a nationwide ad AGAINST the minimum wage during Law and Order:SVU
reruns on USA Tuesday evening. Did anyone else catch this(I knew in less than a second that the kock bros were behind it)? I hope that horseshit
propaganda doesn't work. You know that the Koch bros and other similar pieces of shit
will mobilize their tea-party goons and their Rush Limbaugh types to make raising the minimum
wage even less likely than it already is.
Towlie
(5,322 posts)HardTimes99
(2,049 posts)Subway, for exactly that reason.
It is still possible to eat reasonably healthily at Subway (maybe also at Quizno's?), but one must forgo many of their sauces and cheeses (high-fat, high calorie) and go with turkey\chicken breast or veggie selections.
blkmusclmachine
(16,149 posts)Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)Niceguy1
(2,467 posts)Double their wages and it will raise the price of fast cood tk be on par or more than healthy food...t will force people tk eat less of the junk.
Might mean less jobs, though. At least the ones who able to keep thier jobs will make more
Hekate
(90,565 posts)If they can break the wall between the individual franchisees (who may not be wealthy themselves) and corporate profits, it will be all to the good in so many ways.
Niceguy1
(2,467 posts)$15 /hr will never happen.....there are lots of skilled jobs requiring licences that are lucky to make close to that. And if it were to happen the price of the food would skyrocket.
Hekate
(90,565 posts)There were several parts to it:
I kept reading and hearing (20-30 years ago) that the future of employment in the US was going to be in the service industries -- lots and lots of jobs in the service industries. The economists made it sound inevitable and pretty much something to be celebrated. But parse that sentence for yourself. "Future of employment" and "service industries." "That's where all the new jobs will be" and "the lowest wages/skills around" i.e. hotel maids, fast food workers, and my favorite: caretakers in nursing homes. The economists and their ilk actually delineated these as jobs of the future.
As an adult at the time my course in life was already set. But my kids were very young. I looked at that prognostication through a parent's eyes and saw that it sucked the big one as a future for my kids and anyone else's kids. Because that was the future of employment in the US.
The US began to outsource skilled jobs in manufacturing. Sometimes entire plants were disassembled and shipped away to foreign lands, sometimes new plants were built in said foreign lands and the old ones in the US were left to rot in place.
My Dad was a skilled blue collar worker his entire life, and a member of his union. Jobs like that are gone, and the unions too.
The economists and CEOs saw this and said it was good, and talked about retraining workers for the new high-tech world. But I wondered how that meshed with the future of employment being in the service industries.
The US began to outsource high-tech jobs. My sister, a computer engineer and tech writer, remotely trained her own replacement overseas more than once before being laid off, also more than once. At one of the plants early on they had some kind of thing where they were supposed to assess your skills and retrain you. They tried to train the engineer to be a word processor -- you know, a typist. For this she went to UC Berkeley as one of the first women in Engineering?
The economists and CEOs looked on this and said it was fantastic for the bottom line, given what they could pay equivalent workers in India, but they stopped talking about retraining redundant workers for The Future.
And now here we are, pretty much where it was foretold we would be. The present prospects of employment in the US are in the service industries. The CEOs and shareholders make obscene amounts of money. Workers can't even support themselves, much less a family.
I've seen this before, in a couple of iterations: one, the farm workers' strikes led by Cesar Chavez in California, and two, hotel and restaurant workers in Hawai'i.
The owners/employers in both cases were making obscene amounts of money. But what to do with those oh-so-disposable workers?
Chavez certainly tried to unionize, and poured his heart and soul into it. I remember the 1960s grape boycott well, as I was in college in California at the time. The analyses that appeared in the LA Times and elsewhere (probably PBS) indicated that if all the workers were to receive living wages and decent working conditions (water to wash with, port-a-potties at the fields instead of nothing, not getting sprayed with insecticides, all that kind of stuff) the aggregate costs that would be passed along to consumers would be.... pennies. As an exceedingly poor college student myself I remember thinking, "I could afford that, so that human beings could live like human beings."
In California today farm workers still live like peons. Agri-business is still filthy rich.
In Hawai'i the unions had an established place in the tourist industry, which was and is the major form of employment in that state. You want service industries? Look for cocktail waitresses who make an entire career of serving drinks with a smile while wearing a sarong. Maybe they wanted to do something else, but there wasn't anything else.
I don't know how the unions are doing today, as I left in 1978, but here is how it was when I was there: My first husband arrived and looked for work compatible with his new B.A., but ended up bar tending at the Ilikai Hotel for 10 years. It was a union job, and it was the union that kept us and people like us from being nothing but peons. We got married, had two babies. The babies were both born in the Kaiser Hospital, and cost us $70 for the hospital stay and postpartum checkups. His job included a retirement pension plan as well as health care coverage for the family. We bought a little condo. We were middle class mostly by aspiration, but were not by any means poor.
The tourist industry, meanwhile, boomed. Whatever costs there were for treating workers like human beings, the tourists obviously did not feel ripped off when they came to visit, and they kept coming.
All of my life-experience leads me to conclude the following: If the only jobs available are low-skill and low-pay, people will take them because they must work to eat. But if the employer is making money beyond the dreams of avarice, then it is only decent for the employer to pay a living wage and provide a safe work environment and benefits.
Very few employers do this voluntarily -- only Costco, Trader Joe's, and Starbucks come to mind. That's what unions are for -- to negotiate with employers to do the right thing, to strike if necessary.
Believe me when I say: McDonald's shareholders won't be injured if the burger-flippers can afford to rent an apartment and buy groceries and put gas in the tank.
And the cost to the consumer? Pennies.
Hekate
Hekate
(90,565 posts)... and you all know what I mean.
Niceguy1
(2,467 posts)But pay should be based on skills, no skill jobs shouldnt pay $15 an hour as they demand.
Hekate
(90,565 posts)The destruction of the unions has been the destruction of the notion that anyone should demand more than they are getting. If all they are getting is crumbs -- well, then that must be what they deserve. That's a tautology, not a prescription for a functioning democracy. It's a way to keep people down by making them feel they deserve to be kept down.
The other way of keeping all people down is to make them believe that wages/ health-care/ or whatever good there is is a zero-sum game: If Jose gets more, that means Bill will get less, and we can't have that. Make people resentful of other people for getting ahead; but also make Bill and Jose believe that anyone (including themselves) can become a millionaire -- the Catch 22 being that if Bill fails to get ahead it is his fault, and if Jose gets ahead it must be because he took something away from Bill. Resentment is a great way of keeping crabs in the bucket.
Don't fall for this crap. It's only a zero-sum game if you believe it is. If you are truly a union man, it behooves you to remember who is management and who is labor. You can be proud of your skills, but if your job is outsourced and all there is for you is changing diapers in a nursing home or flipping burgers at McDonald's, you STILL deserve a wage that doesn't leave you begging for small change to get home at the end of the day. Because the nursing home is charging on average $50,000 per year per patient (more in my area) and the burger chains are not hurting either -- and the workers who make it possible deserve their fair share of the take.
I recommend "Barbara Ehrenreich's Nickel and Dimed: On (Not) Getting By in America". When wages drop below subsistence, there are no bootstraps left to pull yourself up by; there is just a dehumanizing scramble from day to day.
Niceguy1
(2,467 posts)Such as raising the minimum wage. My pay is set by union contract and we have never ever had our wages adjusted due to a raise in the minimum wage. One thing I can see happening if tou want to be brutally honest is that say they get $15 like they want....people with no skills won't be getting those jobs...people with better qualifications will get those jobs. Who is going to hire a person who doesn't speak English at $15/hr? Nobody.
Hekate
(90,565 posts)In my coastal town and in big cities $15 an hour still means you need to have room mates to afford a place to live.
Niceguy1
(2,467 posts)And many people have had to work very hard to reach that wage. By rasing no skill workers to that wage tou just pulled the rug out from all of us.
I am not bothered, just passing time. It is kike this will ever have even the remotest chance of ever happening.
Hekate
(90,565 posts)If a job needs doing, a worker is entitled to a just wage. Period.
Never in my life did I make as much per hour as what I now pay an immigrant couple to clean my house, but that was then and this is now. I got paid $1.35/hour in a cannery -- in 1964. I got paid $800/month take home pay as a very skilled secretary -- in 1981. I don't base their wages on what I used to make, I base it on the cost of living in this area and the fact I need the job done and can afford them twice a month for a couple of hours.
Get over yourself. You are not interested in fairness and justice, I can tell that. You're right: there's not a chance we'll get anything remotely like just wages in this country -- not as long as people like you think those who suffer deserve to suffer, and not as long as people imagine justice will come from the bosses.
It's not that you're ignorant -- you're blind.
Benton D Struckcheon
(2,347 posts)As the CIO knew way back when, only when the lowest ones on the ladder stand up for themselves will everyone else get a lift. These folks need to be supported in every way possible.
tclambert
(11,085 posts)Let's say no CEOs can make over 100 times minimum wage, including salary, bonuses, and stock options. We could phase it in starting at a multiple of 300, then work it down over time.
limpyhobbler
(8,244 posts)Neoma
(10,039 posts)I believe that was a Republican talking point? If they're shocked by this, I just gotta laugh.
Puzzledtraveller
(5,937 posts)doubtful, most won't care, they'll just go somewhere else.