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SunSeeker

(51,550 posts)
Wed Aug 14, 2013, 07:14 PM Aug 2013

Bradley Manning Apologizes; Defense Cites Rough Childhood, Gender Identity Disorder

Source: abcnews.com

During a sentencing hearing for Army PFC Bradley Manning, a military court heard an apology from the soldier, tales of a tough childhood from his sister, and two experts explaining how Manning's gender identity disorder contributed to his decision to release American secrets.

"First, your honor, I want to start off with an apology," Manning told the court after taking the stand to make an unsworn statement. "I am sorry that my actions hurt people. I 'm sorry that they hurt the United States.



Read more: http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2013/08/bradley-manning-apologizes-for-espionage-cites-rough-childhood-gender-disorder/

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Bradley Manning Apologizes; Defense Cites Rough Childhood, Gender Identity Disorder (Original Post) SunSeeker Aug 2013 OP
I hope they let him off on time served. Sunlei Aug 2013 #1
I doubt he will be let off with time served Sun. cstanleytech Aug 2013 #4
I predict... BadtotheboneBob Aug 2013 #7
Link says page does not exist... midnight Aug 2013 #2
Sorry...try this: SunSeeker Aug 2013 #3
Thanks... I will read later..... midnight Aug 2013 #5
I don't condone what he did, but... AnnieBW Aug 2013 #6
I hope they show him mercy. hrmjustin Aug 2013 #8
Mercy is for rich people. n/t tazkcmo Aug 2013 #10
This apology was the first despicable move he's made Alamuti Lotus Aug 2013 #9
I was disappointed, too. Mysterysouppe Aug 2013 #14
Gender Identity Disorder? KareBear Aug 2013 #11
You stole my post. Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2013 #12
That bothered me, too loyalsister Aug 2013 #13
I'm sorry that makes no sense. Myrina Aug 2013 #15

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
1. I hope they let him off on time served.
Wed Aug 14, 2013, 07:23 PM
Aug 2013

It was his management that should take any further 'punishments'. The management let their employees surf, watch movies, play online all day. They didn't even notice downloads! All these thousands of security employees shouldn't even have the ability to download anything, email or connect online.

cstanleytech

(26,281 posts)
4. I doubt he will be let off with time served Sun.
Wed Aug 14, 2013, 07:47 PM
Aug 2013

He will be doing atleast some time though hopefully with time served no more than 5 years.

BadtotheboneBob

(413 posts)
7. I predict...
Wed Aug 14, 2013, 10:03 PM
Aug 2013

... 20 years and will be released in 12-15. Maybe as early as 10. Remember, he is being used as an 'example' to others in the military intelligence community. Plus, this happened during Sec. Clinton's watch and the diplomatic cable releases caused the State Department numerous embarrassments and, no doubt, infuriated her. I would not want her angry with me, even now. Had Manning stuck to videos and other evidence of potential war crimes, the defense could have used a 'whistle-blower' defense in addition to the other issues brought forth. But, Manning took everything he could, because he could, as if on a lark and turned it all over to Wikileaks without any thoughts of potential damage to the US unrelated to the Iraq debacle. That is his real undoing. I hope that his support network is still around when is eventually released (with a DD) to help him salvage what is left of his life. Here's an interesting scenario: Sec. Clinton is elected president in '16, serves two terms and in 2024 magnanimously pardons him.

midnight

(26,624 posts)
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Wed Aug 14, 2013, 07:26 PM
Aug 2013

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AnnieBW

(10,424 posts)
6. I don't condone what he did, but...
Wed Aug 14, 2013, 09:26 PM
Aug 2013

This is a clear case of a person that SHOULD NOT have been in the Army. In peacetime (what's that?), PFC Manning would have washed out of boot camp. He clearly couldn't handle the psychological stress of being in the Army, let alone being a closeted gay man in the Army at that time. Add to that the stress of being deployed to a combat zone, and you've got a recipe for trouble. His commander's first inclination was correct - he did not belong in a combat zone. However, because of Boosh's war in Iraq, they had to take people into the Army that had no business being in there. They were desperate for bodies, and they took pretty much all comers. Manning was smarter than most, so he was placed into Intel.

Yes, Bradley Manning abused his privilege of access to classified material and he deserves to be punished for that. However, without fighting Bush's useless war, Manning would never have been in the situation to handle classified material in the first place.

 

Alamuti Lotus

(3,093 posts)
9. This apology was the first despicable move he's made
Thu Aug 15, 2013, 02:42 AM
Aug 2013

I don't care if it's a courtroom tactic, what he did was right and the inquisitors trying to torch him are wrong. At least he loves big brother now, I suppose submission is all that matters.

 

Mysterysouppe

(68 posts)
14. I was disappointed, too.
Thu Aug 15, 2013, 12:41 PM
Aug 2013

But how tough can we expect this guy to be? He's looking at spending the rest of his life in a supermax.

KareBear

(192 posts)
11. Gender Identity Disorder?
Thu Aug 15, 2013, 09:08 AM
Aug 2013

You know it's already very difficult for someone diagnosed with GID or being trans to get a security clearance or even a commercial pilot's license (there has been some positive moves on this in the last few years). Using GID as an excuse for this will only make things worse for everyone.

loyalsister

(13,390 posts)
13. That bothered me, too
Thu Aug 15, 2013, 09:46 AM
Aug 2013

I am skeptical of the concept of GID. I think personal struggles related to gender identity should not be considered pathological. I don't see any problem with the external manifests of gender identity that don't match what is considered "normal." Isn't the idea that it is a problem based on expectations and assumptions as opposed to the personal understanding of one's gender identity?

Myrina

(12,296 posts)
15. I'm sorry that makes no sense.
Thu Aug 15, 2013, 01:19 PM
Aug 2013

Gender Identity Disorder makes you leak state secrets?

Mind you, I find absolutely nothing wrong with what he did, the MIC rock needs overturned in the worst way, but saying he was inclined to do what he did because he's got "gender issues" is total BS. Almost as if it's a covert request to re-instate banning gays/trans from military service, because, well you know, they can't be trusted.

What a crock.

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