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kpete

(71,963 posts)
Thu Aug 15, 2013, 09:40 PM Aug 2013

NSA broke privacy rules thousands of times per year, audit finds

Source: Washington Post



The National Security Agency has broken privacy rules or overstepped its legal authority thousands of times each year since Congress granted the agency broad new powers in 2008, according to an internal audit and other top-secret documents.

Most of the infractions involve unauthorized surveillance of Americans or foreign intelligence targets in the United States, both of which are restricted by law and executive order. They range from significant violations of law to typographical errors that resulted in unintended interception of U.S. e-mails and telephone calls.

............

The May 2012 audit, intended for the agency’s top leaders, counts only incidents at NSA’s Fort Meade headquarters and other facilities in the Washington area. Three government officials, speaking on the condition of anonymity to discuss classified matters, said the number would be substantially higher if it included other NSA operating units and regional collection centers.

Read more: http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/nsa-broke-privacy-rules-thousands-of-times-per-year-audit-finds/2013/08/15/3310e554-05ca-11e3-a07f-49ddc7417125_story.html

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NSA broke privacy rules thousands of times per year, audit finds (Original Post) kpete Aug 2013 OP
Who believes anything coming out of Washington anymore? Hubert Flottz Aug 2013 #1
This is only a small sample Hydra Aug 2013 #2
One thing the audit proves is that they are looking for mistakes Just Saying Aug 2013 #3
FULL PAGE VIEW: alp227 Aug 2013 #4
Obama will fix this mwrguy Aug 2013 #5
0.009% of the population, most were unintended uhnope Aug 2013 #6
The documents, ronnie624 Aug 2013 #7
Interesting user name/political position combo. /nt Ash_F Aug 2013 #24
Privacy, shmrivacy. blkmusclmachine Aug 2013 #8
KnR Hekate Aug 2013 #9
Why would an out of control program conduct regular audits? JoePhilly Aug 2013 #10
It says right there in the article ronnie624 Aug 2013 #14
Your statement does not answer my question. JoePhilly Aug 2013 #15
Instructing personnel to lie to the Justice Department *is* breaking the law. ronnie624 Aug 2013 #16
Then why respond and say the answer is in the article? JoePhilly Aug 2013 #17
The unspoken premise of your initial post, ronnie624 Aug 2013 #19
Think of this as a "Field of Nightmares" Uncle Joe Aug 2013 #23
When First We Practice To Deceive ... cantbeserious Aug 2013 #11
Broke rules = Operated illegally Bragi Aug 2013 #12
Spin, the one thing our "News" media does really, really well. nt bemildred Aug 2013 #13
No way! progressoid Aug 2013 #18
What a surprise, Live and Learn Aug 2013 #20
PRIVACY, TECHNOLOGY AND NATIONAL SECURITY: An Overview of Intelligence Collection by Robert S. Litt, bobthedrummer Aug 2013 #21
What a pant load. ronnie624 Aug 2013 #22

Hydra

(14,459 posts)
2. This is only a small sample
Thu Aug 15, 2013, 10:07 PM
Aug 2013

I suspect most of the non-paid posting DUers have been watched and TQ'ed. I know I have.

Just Saying

(1,799 posts)
3. One thing the audit proves is that they are looking for mistakes
Thu Aug 15, 2013, 10:29 PM
Aug 2013

Analyzing and reporting them albeit internally. It seems to me those are good things. It seems to dispute claims that they can or are spying on everyone against all rules and laws. From the link:

The NSA audit obtained by The Post, dated May 2012, counted 2,776 incidents in the preceding 12 months of unauthorized collection, storage, access to or distribution of legally protected communications. Most were unintended. Many involved failures of due diligence or violations of standard operating procedure. The most serious incidents included a violation of a court order and unauthorized use of data about more than 3,000 Americans and green-card holders.



Where is the bold print from? I don't see it in the article and was looking for clarification.
 

uhnope

(6,419 posts)
6. 0.009% of the population, most were unintended
Fri Aug 16, 2013, 02:07 AM
Aug 2013

and the NSA is auditing itself and reporting its own mistakes.

How evil of them.

ronnie624

(5,764 posts)
7. The documents,
Fri Aug 16, 2013, 03:11 AM
Aug 2013
provided earlier this summer to The Washington Post by former NSA contractor Edward Snowden, include a level of detail and analysis that is not routinely shared with Congress or the special court that oversees surveillance. In one of the documents, agency personnel are instructed to remove details and substitute more generic language in reports to the Justice Department and the Office of the Director of National Intelligence.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/nsa-broke-privacy-rules-thousands-of-times-per-year-audit-finds/2013/08/15/3310e554-05ca-11e3-a07f-49ddc7417125_story.html

JoePhilly

(27,787 posts)
10. Why would an out of control program conduct regular audits?
Fri Aug 16, 2013, 07:35 AM
Aug 2013

I mean, from what I hear on DU, the NSA can, and does do, whatever it wants with absolutely no oversight.

Then why conduct audits at all?

And naturally, we can't trust the anything the NSA says, unless of course we're using the data from one of its own internal audits.

ronnie624

(5,764 posts)
14. It says right there in the article
Fri Aug 16, 2013, 12:08 PM
Aug 2013

that this information was leaked, and that agency personnel were instructed to lie to the Justice Department.

JoePhilly

(27,787 posts)
15. Your statement does not answer my question.
Fri Aug 16, 2013, 01:36 PM
Aug 2013

Why are there audits that can be "leaked" at all?

Why do them, I mean if you're intending to breaking the law anyway, why do them.

Its like taking pictures at a bachelor party.

Why create the "evidence" at all?

ronnie624

(5,764 posts)
16. Instructing personnel to lie to the Justice Department *is* breaking the law.
Fri Aug 16, 2013, 01:59 PM
Aug 2013

I can't answer your questions because I can't read minds.

ronnie624

(5,764 posts)
19. The unspoken premise of your initial post,
Sat Aug 17, 2013, 01:03 AM
Aug 2013

is that the NSA isn't violating the law, even as the article makes clear that it is.

Governments keep records of their activities, even when the acts are nefarious and illegal. They always have, so there is nothing unusual about it. We see declassified documents on a regular basis, that indicate illegal conduct by our government. The fact that the NSA does audits, doesn't mean it isn't violating the constitution or making a mockery of the concept of democracy.

Uncle Joe

(58,295 posts)
23. Think of this as a "Field of Nightmares"
Sat Aug 17, 2013, 02:17 PM
Aug 2013


This NSA spying program is just a tool or framework, but it has the potential to be a most devastating one in regards to the American People's civil rights when the wrong people come to power and make no mistake about it, they will come to power.

"Build it and they will come"


Bragi

(7,650 posts)
12. Broke rules = Operated illegally
Fri Aug 16, 2013, 08:04 AM
Aug 2013

Interesting how the headline fails to say the NSA "Violated laws" but instead "broke rules". It makes it sound as though they forgot to file their expense claims properly.

 

bobthedrummer

(26,083 posts)
21. PRIVACY, TECHNOLOGY AND NATIONAL SECURITY: An Overview of Intelligence Collection by Robert S. Litt,
Sat Aug 17, 2013, 12:18 PM
Aug 2013

Office of the Director of National Intelligence/ODNI General Counsel
(ODNI pdf via cryptome.org)
http://cryptome.org/2013/08/dni-13-0719.pdf

K&R

ronnie624

(5,764 posts)
22. What a pant load.
Sat Aug 17, 2013, 12:56 PM
Aug 2013

there is no military on earth, that poses a threat to the United States of America. No organization, whatsoever, threatens the existence of the political power structure of the US.

The ONLY threat the ruling order of this country faces, is the one posed by reform from its own citizens, and THAT is what the collection of information on US citizens is designed to prevent.

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