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denem

(11,045 posts)
Mon Feb 20, 2012, 10:50 PM Feb 2012

Santorum: Voters should get 'very nervous' about Obama on religion.

LA Times
February 20, 2001
http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-pn-santorum-religious-rhetoric-michigan-primary-20120220,0,1104628.story?track=rss&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+latimes%2Fnews%2Fpolitics+%28L.A.+Times+-+Politics%29

Santorum : "you should get very nervous, very nervous"
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Reporting from Holland, Mich.— Escalating his attack on President Obama over matters of faith and politics, Republican presidential contender Rick Santorum said Monday that Obama had been "particularly weak" in protecting religious liberty around the world and compared him to "tyrants" who want to limit the role of faith in their citizens lives.

... Referring to the Obama administration, Santorum said: "You can see why they don't stand up for religious liberties. It's pretty obvious that they don't think religious liberties are particularly a high priority. When you have the president of the United States referring to the freedom of religion and you have the secretary of State referring to the freedom of religion, not as the freedom of religion but the freedom of worship, you should get very nervous, very nervous.

"Because there's a lot of tyrants around the world who will talk about freedom of worship, but they won't talk about freedom of religion.
Freedom of worship is what you do within the four walls of the church. Freedom of religion is what you do outside the four walls of the church. What the president is now seeming to mold, in the image of other elitists who think that they know best, is to limit the role of faith in the public square and your role to live that faith out in your public and private lives.

... Santorum also returned to another socially conservative theme that he had mentioned at almost every recent stop in neighboring Ohio', which holds its primary March 6: what he described as Obama's "assault on all religion in America."

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Santorum: Voters should get 'very nervous' about Obama on religion. (Original Post) denem Feb 2012 OP
He is insane. ChairmanAgnostic Feb 2012 #1
Well the people you can't wait to vote him into the white house are certifiable. Justice wanted Feb 2012 #7
I think you meant "the people *who* can't wait." n/t Geoff R. Casavant Feb 2012 #17
Another gopper who believes Iliyah Feb 2012 #2
Ricky Christ DearAbby Feb 2012 #65
It's called freedom of religion socialindependocrat Feb 2012 #3
I think that includes freedom from religion as well - TBF Feb 2012 #9
I'd tell that slimy little jerk Santorum that... 47of74 Feb 2012 #4
yet they freak at the mention of Sharia law.... lunasun Feb 2012 #5
he's actually FirstLight Feb 2012 #6
President Obama Sez... Grassy Knoll Feb 2012 #8
What about Freedom of Belief? tclambert Feb 2012 #10
"...they don't stand up for religious liberties..." unkachuck Feb 2012 #11
I am very nervous, very nervous. pangaia Feb 2012 #44
At what point is he just going to come out and say it??? CAG Feb 2012 #12
Ah, a man of the cloth, I see... socialindependocrat Feb 2012 #24
As it would seam. n/t Judi Lynn Feb 2012 #30
Sew it would seam... socialindependocrat Feb 2012 #50
Are you needling a fellow DUer? JustABozoOnThisBus Feb 2012 #69
He is disrespectful to the President Rosa Luxemburg Feb 2012 #13
Lawrence just played a clip of Obama speaking about "freedom of religion." JaneQPublic Feb 2012 #14
Here's a link to Lawrence's segment on Santorum Tx4obama Feb 2012 #27
Thanks! JaneQPublic Feb 2012 #56
This is an indirect attack on Romney. David__77 Feb 2012 #15
Reminds me of evilhime Feb 2012 #16
religious hypocrite. provis99 Feb 2012 #18
Santorum, Is that the best the Republicans have? Tripod Feb 2012 #19
He is a huge joke and it would be insanely funny if peace frog Feb 2012 #46
David Letterman is doing skits about his sweater vest. Tripod Feb 2012 #71
Now that Bachmann is out of the way, Santorum is making a move to corner the Batshit market Thor_MN Feb 2012 #20
He has to be a nut since he is affiliated or a fan of the Opus Dei faction of the Catholic Church. LiberalFighter Feb 2012 #21
So thats what he's hiding under those bulky sweater vests thank you for the info lunasun Feb 2012 #22
lets see, vote for the Anti Christ (pope) or a Protestant. hmmm PatrynXX Feb 2012 #23
Santorum wants Smilo Feb 2012 #25
Santorum, secretly campaigning for Pres. Obama? shireen Feb 2012 #26
denem Diclotican Feb 2012 #28
I am nervous primavera Feb 2012 #29
It seems Mr. Rick Santorum is becoming unhinged under pressure! UCmeNdc Feb 2012 #31
Romney may yet bag the nomination Zambero Feb 2012 #55
Too bad he isn't campaigning here anymore quaker bill Feb 2012 #32
Santorum makes me nervous on religion nxylas Feb 2012 #33
Worship is NOT limited to be within four walls of a church. Festivito Feb 2012 #34
Spam deleted by uppityperson (MIR Team) dfhjkyulyu Feb 2012 #35
I'll tell you what this voter is "very nervous" about, Sicky Ricky peace frog Feb 2012 #36
I am Sure they thought the same of Hilter.."oh hell that guy has no chance of becoming head of Katashi_itto Feb 2012 #38
We have problems, but the US is not pre-Hitler Germany peace frog Feb 2012 #43
I was going to mess w/MI Primary & vote Santorum catbyte Feb 2012 #58
Yes. I am very nervous. GoCubsGo Feb 2012 #37
Has he ever looked in the mirror? He would be a nightmare for anybody who sinkingfeeling Feb 2012 #39
I wonder if he sees durablend Feb 2012 #41
His "Catholicism" is actually a crazy right wing experiment of EWTN, Charles Chaput, etc. Brettongarcia Feb 2012 #63
What a fucking nut! Quantess Feb 2012 #40
The Ayatollah Santorum, pangaia Feb 2012 #42
If Santorum links bad to Rev Wright, is he going to be linked to pedophiles because of his religion Thinkingabout Feb 2012 #45
Project much Rick? Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Feb 2012 #47
I had thought only newts could excrete this level of slime JHB Feb 2012 #48
One single best answer to that: JHB Feb 2012 #49
Santorum is ann--- Feb 2012 #51
Rocktivity: Voters should get 'very nervous' about Santorum rocktivity Feb 2012 #52
I'm nervous about pRick on religion! or ANYONE in the GOP on religion! Roland99 Feb 2012 #53
Religious freedom for a few cannot overide personal freedom for the many Zambero Feb 2012 #54
Romney's inching ahead here in MI catbyte Feb 2012 #57
All I can hear out of Rick's mouth is "BOOGA BOOGA BOOGA!" Arkana Feb 2012 #59
Article VI, paragraph 3 The Wizard Feb 2012 #60
Ricky, would you stop repeating what Ratzinger told you! eringer Feb 2012 #61
Blow me, Rick RussBLib Feb 2012 #62
He's afraid he might actually win the nomination CindyT44 Feb 2012 #64
Typical irresponsible projection from a disgusting man whose name rightfully DESERVES the smear. alp227 Feb 2012 #66
LeftishBrit: The world at large should feel very nervous about Santorum, on religion and everything LeftishBrit Feb 2012 #67
He probably thinks Opus Dei is a little bit "lefty" JustABozoOnThisBus Feb 2012 #68
Fearmongering LYING assclown!! nt and-justice-for-all Feb 2012 #70
Freedom of religion means nobodyspecial Feb 2012 #72
Does anyone here think Republicans are capable of grasping irony? NYC Liberal Feb 2012 #73
Keep it up Rick Gringostan Feb 2012 #74
it would be a great irony given GOP reliance on Evangelicals if their choice narrowed to... yurbud Feb 2012 #75

Iliyah

(25,111 posts)
2. Another gopper who believes
Mon Feb 20, 2012, 11:00 PM
Feb 2012

that his "God" speaks to him personally. I think he thinks he might be the savior in waiting. That his religion is the only religion that represents the will of the American people. That his party has the private numnber to God. Yes, he is truly insane.

DearAbby

(12,461 posts)
65. Ricky Christ
Wed Feb 22, 2012, 03:49 AM
Feb 2012

* Pope Pious Santorum I
*Taliban Rick
*Mullah Santorum
*Baghdad Rick
*Imman Santorum
*Blessed Savior Rick

socialindependocrat

(1,372 posts)
3. It's called freedom of religion
Mon Feb 20, 2012, 11:01 PM
Feb 2012

That is the freedom to practice as we see fit.

Not to be told to practice the way we're told to.

We alow people the freedom to choose from amongst a variety
of options. The responsibility is to have a society that provides
options to people from which to choose, not to dictate.

TBF

(32,064 posts)
9. I think that includes freedom from religion as well -
Mon Feb 20, 2012, 11:23 PM
Feb 2012

"wall of separation" is the term the founding father used.

 

47of74

(18,470 posts)
4. I'd tell that slimy little jerk Santorum that...
Mon Feb 20, 2012, 11:10 PM
Feb 2012

...if the only valid form of Christianity is that which is espoused by him and his ilk then I want no part of it then.

lunasun

(21,646 posts)
5. yet they freak at the mention of Sharia law....
Mon Feb 20, 2012, 11:14 PM
Feb 2012

..."..to limit the role of faith in the public square and your role to live that faith out in your public and private live. "....
This creep deserves to drown in the noun of his own name

FirstLight

(13,360 posts)
6. he's actually
Mon Feb 20, 2012, 11:17 PM
Feb 2012

talking about himself! seriously... think about it, he wants to govern how we act outside of church, and wants to make us all conform to his crazy christian way...
i swear, the GOP freak show continues.

 

unkachuck

(6,295 posts)
11. "...they don't stand up for religious liberties..."
Mon Feb 20, 2012, 11:25 PM
Feb 2012

....how much religious liberty is enough?....why does sanatorium want more religious power than our Constitution allows?....and for what purpose?

....maybe he wants to turn the United States into an Christian republic....he opposes our public schools and public education, why?....to create his militant Christian medrassahs to brainwash our children for Christian jihad?

"...you should get very nervous, very nervous."

....you're right mr. sanatorium, you're making me very nervous....

CAG

(1,820 posts)
12. At what point is he just going to come out and say it???
Mon Feb 20, 2012, 11:35 PM
Feb 2012

Ya know, "Obama is a socialist Kenyan muslin!!"

JaneQPublic

(7,113 posts)
14. Lawrence just played a clip of Obama speaking about "freedom of religion."
Tue Feb 21, 2012, 12:04 AM
Feb 2012

Then he chided Sanitarium for being dumb enough to make a claim like that without doing a little research first.

Tx4obama

(36,974 posts)
27. Here's a link to Lawrence's segment on Santorum
Tue Feb 21, 2012, 04:12 AM
Feb 2012

Here: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3096434/#46459391

The 'Freedom of Worship/Freedom of Religion' snippets begin at the 13:20 minute mark

David__77

(23,420 posts)
15. This is an indirect attack on Romney.
Tue Feb 21, 2012, 12:15 AM
Feb 2012

Romney has more to worry about on religion than Obama. Romney is a paper tiger, and Santorum is successfully proving it.

evilhime

(326 posts)
16. Reminds me of
Tue Feb 21, 2012, 12:17 AM
Feb 2012

my favorite bumper sticker - "Jesus, save me from your followers." Ridiculous Santorum strikes again.

 

provis99

(13,062 posts)
18. religious hypocrite.
Tue Feb 21, 2012, 12:18 AM
Feb 2012

If Muslims were doing in America what he wants to do, he'd be screaming about shari'a law taking over the country. I guess his "freedom" is only for Catholicism, and not for any other religion.

Tripod

(854 posts)
19. Santorum, Is that the best the Republicans have?
Tue Feb 21, 2012, 12:25 AM
Feb 2012
This guy is insane, what a joke,,,, not even funny though.

peace frog

(5,609 posts)
46. He is a huge joke and it would be insanely funny if
Tue Feb 21, 2012, 10:26 AM
Feb 2012

Santorum didn't make me throw up a little in my mouth everytime I see or hear him.

PatrynXX

(5,668 posts)
23. lets see, vote for the Anti Christ (pope) or a Protestant. hmmm
Tue Feb 21, 2012, 01:25 AM
Feb 2012

very hard even from normal Christians point of view. albeit mines Lutheran...

Smilo

(1,944 posts)
25. Santorum wants
Tue Feb 21, 2012, 02:08 AM
Feb 2012

the Christaliban here in America - a theocracy would be his wet dream.

Please God - save us from your "faux" followers.

shireen

(8,333 posts)
26. Santorum, secretly campaigning for Pres. Obama?
Tue Feb 21, 2012, 03:32 AM
Feb 2012

I mean, with all that crazy talk, he's just building more support for Pres. Obama.

The GOP front-runners, the gifts that keep on giving -- keep up the good work, guys!


Diclotican

(5,095 posts)
28. denem
Tue Feb 21, 2012, 05:25 AM
Feb 2012

denem

I have to admit, I'm more vorried about HIS form of religion, than I am about Obamas faith, or the lack thereof...

And Im living on the other side of the Atlantic, and still vorried about Santorums attitude...

Diclotican

primavera

(5,191 posts)
29. I am nervous
Tue Feb 21, 2012, 05:34 AM
Feb 2012

Obama's not an atheist and you never know when he might allow some of that religious mumbo jumbo to influence his decisions - now that would be terrifying!

UCmeNdc

(9,600 posts)
31. It seems Mr. Rick Santorum is becoming unhinged under pressure!
Tue Feb 21, 2012, 06:43 AM
Feb 2012

I think Rick S. is falling apart. The statements he is stating to make seem unhinged and a bit wild.
Maybe Rick does not need to apply for this job.

Zambero

(8,964 posts)
55. Romney may yet bag the nomination
Tue Feb 21, 2012, 01:52 PM
Feb 2012

Santorum's increasingly frequent insane rants will likely cost him primary votes, especailly among conservatives who are more focused on economic and less so on social issues. Karl Rove et al can probably breathe a sigh of relief.

quaker bill

(8,224 posts)
32. Too bad he isn't campaigning here anymore
Tue Feb 21, 2012, 06:59 AM
Feb 2012

We have had our primary. I would love to show up at an event and ask him about a Peace Tax Fund, for those of us who take the whole "turn the other cheek", "beating swords into plowshares", and "love your enemy" bits in the Bible seriously. Like the Mennonites, Quakers, Brethern, as well as a fair number of Methodists, and Congregationalists. Would he afford us this freedom of religion?

nxylas

(6,440 posts)
33. Santorum makes me nervous on religion
Tue Feb 21, 2012, 07:40 AM
Feb 2012

I say this as a Christian who has no desire to see my beliefs imposed on others using the force of the state.

Festivito

(13,452 posts)
34. Worship is NOT limited to be within four walls of a church.
Tue Feb 21, 2012, 08:02 AM
Feb 2012

Santorum seems to underhandedly bully his way into a talking point.

Shameless.

Response to denem (Original post)

peace frog

(5,609 posts)
36. I'll tell you what this voter is "very nervous" about, Sicky Ricky
Tue Feb 21, 2012, 08:59 AM
Feb 2012

I'm terrified that someone as dangerous as you could get anywhere near the presidency.

Fortunately for us all, you don't have a snowball's chance in hell iof prevailing in a general election. What that says about the wingnuts who vote in GOP primaries is also pretty damed scary.

 

Katashi_itto

(10,175 posts)
38. I am Sure they thought the same of Hilter.."oh hell that guy has no chance of becoming head of
Tue Feb 21, 2012, 09:24 AM
Feb 2012

Germany..."

The fact can Santorum run says everything about our country.

catbyte

(34,402 posts)
58. I was going to mess w/MI Primary & vote Santorum
Tue Feb 21, 2012, 02:36 PM
Feb 2012

but I can't bring myself to do it. What if he actually is elected!?! I couldn't live with myself.



Diane
Anishinaabe in MI & mom to Leo, Sophie, Taz & Nigel, members of Dogs Against Romney, Cat Division
"We Ride Inside--Hiss!"

GoCubsGo

(32,086 posts)
37. Yes. I am very nervous.
Tue Feb 21, 2012, 09:19 AM
Feb 2012

I am nervous because I am surrounded by thousands of ignorant boobs who by into this sort of bullshit. And, those idiots vote.

sinkingfeeling

(51,457 posts)
39. Has he ever looked in the mirror? He would be a nightmare for anybody who
Tue Feb 21, 2012, 09:30 AM
Feb 2012

does not share his personal beliefs!

Quantess

(27,630 posts)
40. What a fucking nut!
Tue Feb 21, 2012, 09:50 AM
Feb 2012

Sorry for cursing but Santorum is an extreme nutcase. He would be an international embarrassment.

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
45. If Santorum links bad to Rev Wright, is he going to be linked to pedophiles because of his religion
Tue Feb 21, 2012, 10:22 AM
Feb 2012

He should be careful of what he attempts to downgrade anothers religion. he is bad news.

Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin

(108,023 posts)
47. Project much Rick?
Tue Feb 21, 2012, 10:31 AM
Feb 2012

It's your attitude on religion that makes me nervous.

I'm not anti-religious, far from it. There are many people of faith I respect. It basically comes down to whether they use their religion as a standard to live by or as a club to beat others over the head with.

JHB

(37,160 posts)
48. I had thought only newts could excrete this level of slime
Tue Feb 21, 2012, 11:22 AM
Feb 2012

I stand corrected. Appalled, but corrected.

 

ann---

(1,933 posts)
51. Santorum is
Tue Feb 21, 2012, 12:34 PM
Feb 2012

crazy. My goodness - can't everyone see that? Who are these people are support him? I say of them "Be AFRAID - VERY afraid."

Zambero

(8,964 posts)
54. Religious freedom for a few cannot overide personal freedom for the many
Tue Feb 21, 2012, 01:46 PM
Feb 2012

This notion of "religious freedom" is a Trojan Horse issue put in place by those who would aspire to a theocratic form of government, with a very insidious intent of weakening the freedom of choice for individuals to make their own personal decisions. In a nutshell it's "I want to be free to take away your freedom, and if you oppose my you are a tyrant".

catbyte

(34,402 posts)
57. Romney's inching ahead here in MI
Tue Feb 21, 2012, 02:34 PM
Feb 2012

because Santorum's crazy talk is too crazy for even the craziest crazies here in southwest lower Michigan. Santorum's speech in Muskegon was like a bad gospel tent revival meeting. Religion soaked everything--even the economy--and I think it gave even the most ardent Obama haters pause. Besides, home schooling is not a great option for many because the economy has been so bad the past several years that most folks are two-paycheck families. Santorum is living in his own bagger dreamworld. When it's too much for west Michigan, you know the guy is nuts.

Diane
Anishinaabe in MI & mom to Leo, Sophie, Taz & Nigel, members of Dogs Against Romney, Cat Division
"We Ride Inside--Hiss!"

Arkana

(24,347 posts)
59. All I can hear out of Rick's mouth is "BOOGA BOOGA BOOGA!"
Tue Feb 21, 2012, 03:22 PM
Feb 2012

He's doing his best to gin up fear and anxiety against the dumbest of us--those who are most prone to it.

The Wizard

(12,545 posts)
60. Article VI, paragraph 3
Tue Feb 21, 2012, 05:30 PM
Feb 2012

The Senators and Representatives before mentioned, and the Members of the several State Legislatures, and all executive and judicial Officers, both of the United States and of the several States, shall be bound by Oath or Affirmation, to support this Constitution; but no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States.

eringer

(460 posts)
61. Ricky, would you stop repeating what Ratzinger told you!
Tue Feb 21, 2012, 05:51 PM
Feb 2012

You broke your promise to the Pontiff that you would keep it a secret until after the election. Time to go to confession.

RussBLib

(9,019 posts)
62. Blow me, Rick
Tue Feb 21, 2012, 06:01 PM
Feb 2012

On second thought, no thanks.

I long for the day when a person who claims to be religious or believe in God is considered to be DANGEROUS and UNSTABLE.

We should value people who do not become brainwashed easily.

Probably not in my lifetime.

CindyT44

(6 posts)
64. He's afraid he might actually win the nomination
Tue Feb 21, 2012, 08:12 PM
Feb 2012

and is trying to sabotage himself.

He was never in this to win it, but (like Cain and Bachman and others) just to promote himself. Now that he is the frontrunner, he is terrified.

Just my two pennies.

alp227

(32,027 posts)
66. Typical irresponsible projection from a disgusting man whose name rightfully DESERVES the smear.
Wed Feb 22, 2012, 03:59 AM
Feb 2012

Sorry to the other GOOD Americans out there named Santorum (an Anglicized version of Santoro...which at least did NOT get redefined in an obscene way).

LeftishBrit

(41,208 posts)
67. LeftishBrit: The world at large should feel very nervous about Santorum, on religion and everything
Wed Feb 22, 2012, 08:30 AM
Feb 2012

'Freedom of religion is what you do outside the four walls of the church'.

So what he means is that freedom of religion is basically the freedom to deny freedom to others, in the name of HIS religion?

For example: most people, including most religious people, are not in favour of denying people the right to birth control. Indeed, most Catholics aren't, let alone Protestants and members of other faiths. I suppose he thinks that freedom of religion means that he and the hardline bishops should be able to impose this.

How does this differ from a hardline Muslim wanting Sharia law?

Please DO NOT elect that man. He would be possibly a worse danger to the world than Palin would have been, because he is more fervently determined and NOT a quitter; a worse danger than Bush because he's a sincere fanatic.

And to think that our Cabinet Minister Duncan-Smith once collaborated with him on an article about 'compassionate conservativism'!

JustABozoOnThisBus

(23,350 posts)
68. He probably thinks Opus Dei is a little bit "lefty"
Wed Feb 22, 2012, 09:21 AM
Feb 2012

If there is a leader of a "Catholic Taliban", it's Rick.

Good thing he's greedy, I can probably buy Dispensations from him.

Gringostan

(127 posts)
74. Keep it up Rick
Thu Feb 23, 2012, 11:30 AM
Feb 2012

Keep it up Rick; a little bit further and you will have dragged the entire republican party into dark ages.

yurbud

(39,405 posts)
75. it would be a great irony given GOP reliance on Evangelicals if their choice narrowed to...
Thu Feb 23, 2012, 01:14 PM
Feb 2012

a Mormon and a Catholic--even better if they were on the same ticket.

For hardcore fundamentalists, both anathema.

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