Assange: 'I am a big admirer of Ron Paul'

[Cali_Democrat]

Source: RT

Published time: August 16, 2013 17:54

WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange praised United States Senator Rand Paul (R-Kentucky) and his father, Dr. Ron Paul, during an interview Friday in which he said the family has been among the biggest supporters his whistleblowing group has in Congress.

Speaking from the Ecuadorian Embassy in London, Assange said during a live-streamed question-and-answer session that he is “a big admirer of Ron Paul and Rand Paul for their very principled positions in the US Congress on a number of issues.”

The Paul family, added Assange, have been “the strongest supporters of the fight against the US attack on WikiLeaks and on me.”

Sen. Paul, a devout libertarian and a rumored candidate among the Republican Party’s likely picks for presidential nominees for the 2016 election, has represented Kentucky in the Democrat-controlled Senate since early 2011. His father, a longtime congressman with strong libertarian leaning himself, served as a Republican member of the US House of Representatives on behalf of Texas until his retirement in January of this year.

Read more: http://rt.com/usa/assange-ron-rand-paul-584/

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Assange also had praise for Matt Drudge:

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/08/16/julian-assange-praises-matt-drudge-as-news-media-innovator/

[jessie04]

1. Good bye, Julian.

nt

[Rosa Luxemburg]

51. I smelled that long ago

[AverageJoe90]

148. Yeah, me too.

Kind of a shame that post got hidden. There's a lot of truth to it.....

[geek tragedy]

3. I've had it with Obama apologists smearing civil liberties activists as Ron/Rand Paul supporters!

Erm, there goes that talking point.

[iandhr]

5. He just said he is a big admirer of Ron Paul

He is anti-women anti-gay and one of the biggest racists out there.

[MNBrewer]

81. He DID qualify his admiration

[NoOneMan]

87. No. He said he admired their principled positions on drone war, spying and wikileaks

But you didn't watch the video when the audience asked him this question, did you?

[MADem]

103. Also anti-choice, anti-teacher, anti-union....yeah, a real upstanding "leftie."

for the irony impaired....

[freshwest]

139. Anti-gay. anti-environmental protection, mountain top removal supporter, wants a Christian nation.

Okay, are we there yet?

[MADem]

143. An intelligent human being looks at the whole package, and in so doing,

has no choice--save political cussedness--than to reject the guy.

He is a hater. And he has an agenda that doesn't support the weakest or least enfranchised of our brothers.

[freshwest]

145. +1,000.

[NoOneMan]

6. So all civil libertarians are bad now?

Their blend isn't good for civil liberties either. Libertarianism manifests into an environment where people suffer economic oppression. Of course, the broad brush doesn't want to acknowledge there are differences between the left and right when it comes to civil liberties.

[geek tragedy]

8. Anyone who supports Ron/Rand Paul is playing for the wrong team. No exceptions, nt

[NoOneMan]

37. Fuck the ACLU. Terrorists

I love absolutes. I just put my brain on suspend

[geek tragedy]

62. The ACLU didn't slobber over the Paul crime syndicate. nt

[NoOneMan]

72. Anyone who is against domestic spying is against us.

Sign the oath. Get in line.

[geek tragedy]

75. One can oppose privacy violations without

being a supporter of the Koch brothers. Assange is a de facto member of the Koch brothers apparatus--remember he got famous first by smearing climate change scientists.

[Mojorabbit]

124. Perfect post. nt

[struggle4progress]

9. Civil libertarianism isn't a subset of libertarianism

[NoOneMan]

38. I understand that. Some people don't

Some people want to lump em all together using their common issues.

See, lookie at Ron Paul. Civil Rights are for imbeciles. Lookie lookie.

[pnwmom]

65. True. But Assange aligned himself with the "Libertarian section of the Republican party."

Like the Paul's, he's a right-wing Republican/Libertarian.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1014&pid=567636

[NoOneMan]

74. Assange isn't a "right-wing Republican". He isn't even American

Do you not understand this? He isn't registered Republican in the US. He doesn't vote in the US. He doesn't have US citizenship.

He cares about open government and international issues including militarism and espionage. He isn't even a single issue voter. He is a non-voter. Get real

[pnwmom]

128. You're right, I misspoke. He merely said that the Libertarian section of the Republican party

was the "only hope" for the U.S., and he's specifically praised the Paul's.

Because there isn't a single Democrat who supports civil liberties, apparently.

[NoOneMan]

129. The Democratic Party has held the reigns for the last few years

Despite the excuses and political theodicies, it surely looks like the status quo is continuing to the international observer. I disagree with Assange. There is no hope. You are all fucked. At least he is optimistic

[MADem]

144. Where do you live? Since when is Bonehead Boehner a Democrat?

You do know that the real "reins" holders are CONGRESS, don't you? No laws get passed without them, and all appropriations begin in the House.

Or maybe you don't?

Your rather sanctimonious post is astounding in its shortage of basic facts.

The Democratic Party has not held the reins--at best, they've fought over them for a few months many years ago; but the GOP has always had enough influence to fuck things up and shut them down.

[Mojorabbit]

125. What difference does it make? Does it make the spying ok because of their political

persuasion? Who cares what their politics are? They are releasing information and it is the information I am interested in. I could care less about what their favorite color is, where they live, or their political persuasion. I can't get what you all fear about the Pauls. They are a couple of pipsqueaks. The showing of Ron Paul in the last election was a joke. Why this endless bringing up of them? Who cares? What has it to do with NSA spying? Nothing.

[Hissyspit]

91. Well, that's funny. In all the anti-Greenwald threads for several weeks

we were pretty much assured they absolutely were the same.

[struggle4progress]

92. huh?

[Hissyspit]

93. For weeks people deliberately conflated civil libertarian and Libertarian

in attempts to smear/discredit Greenwald.

[JoePhilly]

41. I knew that an Authoritarian like you would say something like that ...

... before I could.

[freshwest]

56. But, but, but!!! He brings up important points!!!

http://www.timwise.org/2012/01/of-broken-clocks-presidential-candidates-and-the-confusion-of-certain-white-liberals/

[VanillaRhapsody]

79. The Ends Justifies the Means Crowd won't understand your joke!

[freshwest]

88. I think some folks don't understand what the end results will be. Just sayin'

[Adenoid_Hynkel]

130. If you look past the fact that Paul is a massive racist who pals around

with Stormfront and Alex Jones and wants to deregulate corporations from any and all environmental and labor laws, and wants women to remain pregnant by order of the state, then, yeah, I suppose he has his charm.

And if you look past the fact that Assange is a creepy little rapist who admires Paul, then I guess you could make the case that liberals should give a shit about him.

[freshwest]

140. Guilty as charged. But not about DUers. Media heroes are fair game, though.

[BeyondGeography]

4. Of course he is

[struggle4progress]

7. Video available. Assange says "The only hope as far as electoral politics are concerned

in the United States presently is the libertarian section of the Republican party" -- from the very end of the video, beginning c. 8:00

[Ash_F]

43. Well then. I guess we are doomed. /nt

[xoom]

118. Well that is very telling...

[freshwest]

141. He's gonna get GOTV for the GOP? Fuck that idea. No, nope, non, nein, nyet.

Of course he grew up with universal health care and a social safety net. But us Americans don't deserve that.

Rand is working to take that away and the 4th and 14th amendment rights of women and minorities and the poor. So Julian benefited from his own country's safety net and now is willing to take up the ladder with himself so no one else can escape poverty.

He's just a 1% con man. And this reminds of the old royals in so many ways. They fired up the peasants to enlist or else drafted them to fight as pawns on a chessboard for the battles between other royals.

That is what this is, folks. And it works so well, it truly does prove that they are our superiors in the spiritual realm, even if it's fucking evil.

We fall for it every time and take the orders like flying monkeys and go after one another with full fangs bared. If some person say, hey, take a look behind the curtain, they'll go after them.

These guys are laughing all the way to the bank. You know, the ones they tell us to hate. And the folks lap it up, looking for a villain. If we keep on getting fooled, we'll deserve just what they're serving for dinner. And that is us.

[Cha]

147. "Con man" is absolutely right, fresh. He knows he has a lot

of fans on the boards who would give him money and maybe just maybe they'll get to the polls and usher in rand paul so he can pardon his ass from his Ecuadorian jail cell at the London Embassy.

"Anonymous “appalled” by WikiLeaks"

"...We have been worried about the direction WikiLeaks is going for sometime now. In the past year the focus has moved away from actual leaks and the fight for freedom of information and concentrated more and more on Julian Assange and a rabid scrounging for money," the hackers noted."

h/t you http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=3515856

[JI7]

10. i have thought for some time that Snowden is hoping Rand Paul becomes President and that's when

he wants to come back. so he can get his pardon from Rand Paul.

[Cha]

146. It's so obvious. he better not have a snowball's chance

in hell.

[iamthebandfanman]

11. shouldnt be all that shocking..

to people :p

ive always assumed as much

[NoOneMan]

39. He doesn't have to live in the US

Assange's pet issues have some representation by the Loonie right (and the rightful Left). I imagine he is ambivilant (or unaware) about Paul wanting to shut down dept of education, being that its not really his thing.

[msongs]

12. obama says he has similar views to mitt romney so are you all gonna dump obama now? nt

[iamthebandfanman]

16. and he admires reagan

..

I think both of them are a bit confused ..

some of us speak out against Obama and these guys pretending to be heros to further their own agendas (weve known about their wiretapping and email stealing since 2006)...

whats that make us ?

apparently not 'real' liberals

:p

[JoePhilly]

45. Except he never said that ...

but please feel free to post the video where he does say that.

Oh, and before you do ... know that I'm pretty sure I know exactly which narrow clip you would use ... and that I have a link to a video of Obama's full remarks on that point, in context.

[Kolesar]

134. Bandman bravely ran away ... eom

[pnwmom]

19. Other than the fact that Obamacare is based on Romneycare, they have remarkably different views

on many issues, including women's rights, gay rights, voting rights, unemployment insurance, right to choose, the need for more stimulus to the economy, the need for jobs bills, etc.

[NoOneMan]

40. And thats probably pretty much the same for Assange and Paul

They agree on some things (things very important to Assange)

[pnwmom]

63. Assange is a huge supporter of the Paul's and other Libertarian Republicans.

From the article linked in the OP:

“It’s not going to come from the Democrats, it’s not going to come from Ralph Nader, it’s not going to come from the co-opted parts of the Republican Party,” Assange said. “The only hope as far as electoral politics… presently, is the libertarian section of the Republican Party.”

And notice how he's not supporting the Libertarian party itself, or Democrats like Alan Grayson or Elizabeth Warren, or Democrats aligned with the ACLU. He's specifically supporting the "libertarian section of the Republican Party."

[NoOneMan]

64. They might be.

Rest of Republicans are insance and Democrats are center right. Hell, the party line is now spying is good for your soul

[pnwmom]

67. Why isn't he saying that people like Warren and Grayson are our "best hope"?

Because he's not a progressive at all. He's a right-wing Libertarian like the Paul's.

[NoOneMan]

73. For the love of God. He isn't even American

I don't know what he is where he is registered to vote.

Watch the video. He appreciates "their principled stance" on a variety of things like the spying, drone warfare and defense of wiki leaks. I agree on those points. Especially if I didn't give a damn about the internal politics of America (and the more I live abroad, the less I do besides the way it directly impacts me)

[pnwmom]

80. I am aware of that. But he reveals his political preferences when he discusses his beliefs

about American politics. He said,

“It’s not going to come from the Democrats, it’s not going to come from Ralph Nader, it’s not going to come from the co-opted parts of the Republican Party,” Assange said. “The only hope as far as electoral politics… presently, is the libertarian section of the Republican Party.”

He's anything but a progressive, no matter what country he's living in.

[NoOneMan]

86. Is Ralph Nader going to get the Democratic nod and win the nation over?

Nope. Frankly, I disagree with Assange. Paul wont either on the other side. Nothing is going to change. Enjoy being spied on. Enjoy being lied to. Enjoy having your sons and daughters die in war, paid on your dime.


And no, he isn't revealing his political preferences unless you want to just believe that. Clearly you do.

[pnwmom]

96. If he is progressive, why doesn't he support Elizabeth Warren or Alan Grayson?

Why would he support the Libertarian wing of the Republican party over progressives?

[NoOneMan]

98. For the love of God. Badger the audience for not asking about Warren or Grayson

It was an audience question. He didn't go out of his way to release a statement about climaxing when he hears their names. A shit-stirrer wanted Assange to talk about Drudge/Pauls/Anonymous (all controversial subjects with similar themes).

Did you watch the video?

Did you?

"No" is the less embarrassing answer

[pnwmom]

99. Does the video prove that he didn't speak in support of the Paul's and the Libertarians?

Unless it does, it's not relevant to this discussion.

[NoOneMan]

101. Haha, you didn't watch the video! Watch it.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1017&pid=139295

Unless it does, it's not relevant to this discussion.

The quote from the video that this discussing is not relevant to the discussion? Get real

He was asked about these people. He answered each one. He said he admired their principled positions on drone wars, domestic spying and wikileaks defense. On all points I agree. I also do not like Ron Paul

[pnwmom]

117. I'm not going to watch the video because Assange,

the narcissist who's avoiding trial for rape , is repulsive to me.

And it wouldn't change the fact that he said that the Libertarian wing of the Republican party was America's ONLY HOPE, as if there were no Democrats who took principled positions on civil liberties, and as if people like the Paul's had perfect records on civil liberties.

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2013/08/heres-where-rand-paul-can-find-objective-evidence-of-vote-suppression/278728/

Dear Senator Rand Paul:

If you want to be president of the United States one day, if you want more people to take you seriously as an independent thinker within the Republican Party, if you want to lead your party back to control of the Senate, or if more modestly you want simply to tether yourself to some form of reality, you are going to have to stop making false and insulting statements like you did Wednesday when you declared: "I don't think there is objective evidence that we're precluding African-Americans from voting any longer."

[NoOneMan]

123. Neener neener, I can't hear you!

Haha...

You are in a thread discussing Assange's comments from a video and providing analysis of those comments when you refuse to watch the video to get accuracy and context? Get a hold of yourself.



When you get a chance, can you give me an in depth movie review on Star Wars Episode 7

[bitchkitty]

135. You're making a fool of yourself.

Watch the video.

[phleshdef]

104. Not being American doesn't exclude you from having an identifiable ideology.

He has now identified his.

If you can admire Ron Paul and trash Barack Obama, you are not a liberal or a progressive.

Obama might be more hawkish than Ron Paul on national security and terrorist related stuff, but he beats Ron Paul on the progressive scale on pretty much every other issue. Women's rights, gay rights, domestic spending, social safety nets, healthcare, taxation, climate change, environmental issues, etc. Assange is a right winger of the Paul breed. Face it.

[NoOneMan]

105. He answered an audience question about the Pauls. I would of basically said the same fuckn thing

that I admired their position on military intervention, drone warfare, wikileaks defense, etc.

Except I would of threw in they are idiots otherwise

He didn't identify shit. He answered a question.

Watch the video. Lets stop shooting from the hips folks.

[phleshdef]

107. "The only hope as far as electoral politics are concerned in the United States presently..."

"...is the libertarian section of the Republican party"

- Julian Assange

Case Closed.

[NoOneMan]

109. Well, is Nader going to win the nomination?

Because this status quo spy and kill shit isn't working out so hot.

He is entitled to his outsiders opinion. And remember, to an outsider, they are most closely watching issues that affect them (not you)

[phleshdef]

110. Everyone is entitled to an opinion. So fucking what?

I'm allowed to talk shit about his opinion too.

[NoOneMan]

112. And talking shit is all you are doing indeed.

Next time watch the video and know wtf you are blathering about

[xoom]

119. I feel this right here says it all!

How can anyone spin this...

[mindwalker_i]

13. Yeah, but did he have boxes in his garage?

Just asking...

[Iliyah]

14. OK, this is gonna be an interesting night

popcorn time and some Smirnoff Vodka straight up.

[Skeeter Barnes]

15. Barack Obama: George W Bush is a good man, generous, compassionate

he showed incredible strength and resolve... we remember how he reached across the aisle to Democrats...

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/apr/25/president-obama-speech-george-w-bush

Barack is a big fan of war criminals.

[Tobin S.]

18. This thread isn't about Obama.

[NoOneMan]

47. Bob Dylan: "but I got to admit honestly that I too - I saw some of myself in [Lee Harvey Oswald]"

Yeah, its not about him either. And thats an even stranger statement from a guy a lot on the left admire and adore. Sometimes you can be of two minds. Why don't you ask Assange what he meant, or Obama or Dylan?

Is it easier to just speak in absolutes, suspend your brain, and hate hate hate? The bottom line is that Assange--not even being an American--has had a far more beneficial impact on America than you every have or will (same goes for good ol Bob). So who they have some things in common with or screw in their free time really means fuck all.

[Tobin S.]

54. 1. No need to get personal. 2. You don't me from Bob Dylan or what I do or have done.

You don't even know my views on this matter because I have never spoken of them here. This thread is simply about Julian Assange. Don't try to make it be something else.

[NoOneMan]

55. Its not even about Ron Paul?

okedy dokedy

[Peace Patriot]

22. Thank you!!!

This has nothing more to do with Assange's whistleblowing than Bradley Mannings' transvestitism had to do with his whistleblowing.

I think Assange is mistaken, naive and uninformed to say that the 'libertarian' wing of the Wingnut Party is the only hope for our democracy. My opinion is that the only hope for our democracy is throwing out the 'TRADE SECRET' voting machines, over which the far rightwing-connected, wingnut ES&S corporation (which bought out Diebold) now has a 75% monopoly in the USA--and by which wingnuts are being (s)elected for high office. That's how we got this wingnut, UNREPRESENTATIVE Congress and a number of wingnut governors and state legislatures.

I wish Assange had some secret files on THAT!

But my opinion of his opinion of the R. Paul's doesn't make him any less of a whistleblower and a very courageous one at that. I don't care if his politics are mistaken in my view. I agree with everything he's done, as to whistleblowing, and he has been viciously targeted by the very same secret government establishment in this country that has destroyed the rule of law.

[progressoid]

17. And the President admires Ronald Reagan.

[JoePhilly]

46. Please post the video where he said that.

I know which video you are most likely referring to, btw ... so please proceed.

If you do, you should make sure to use a full version, not the one that is clipped.

[progressoid]

68. This video is no longer available due to a copyright claim by pscompany

http://www.talkleft.com/story/2008/1/22/0022/28539/elections2008/Barack-Obama-on-Ronald-Reagan-Video-from-Reno-RJ-Editorial-Board-Meeting

[Cha]

70. Not really..

Folks are talking about how I supposedly said how wonderful Ronald Reagan was. (Laughter) Now let me tell you what I said just in case you’re getting it third-hand. (More laughter) What I said was that Ronald Reagan, back in 1980, was able to tap into the discontent of the American people and he was able to get Democrats to vote Republican. They were called Reagan Democrats. Remember that? And what I say it is that we as Democrats right now should tap into the discontent of Republicans. (Applause) I want some Obama Republicans. (More applause) I say Obamacons. (Laughter) So I didn’t say I liked Ronald Reagan’s policies. What I said was that it is the kind of working majority that we need to form in order to move a progressive agenda forward. (Applause)

http://spectator.org/archives/2011/01/25/does-obama-really-admire-reaga

[sheshe2]

71. Oh my dear Cha!

Well done!

[Politicub]

126. +1 for the truth

[Cha]

127. ..

Politicub

[CBGLuthier]

20. Fuck Him. he is a user and abuser

Manning will rot in prison and this jerkoff will laugh and fuck women until he strokes out.

[iandhr]

21. Assange could

use the following words in a sentence "f***t n***** and K***e and his flunkies on DU would defend him.

[tridim]

27. This is certainly an interesting turn of events, it'll send shockwaves through Neo-DU.

Choose your words wisely.

[tridim]

23. Ron Paul Says TV Venture Contributes To The 'Cause of liberty'...

and to the 'cause of Assange' apparently. They have their own channel now.

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2013/08/12/ron-paul-says-tv-venture-contributes-to-the-cause-of-liberty/

[Blue_Tires]

24. Sad...I'd always assumed Assange to be smarter than this...

[eridani]

25. Lots of Tea Party people hated the bank bailouts

Does that mean I have to start loving the banksters?

[Maedhros]

26. The irrelevance. It burns.

The Manning leaks were a good thing, regardless of the personal politics of the person who provided the publishing outlet for the information.

[madrchsod]

28. does he think he'd be better off under president ron paul ?

if so he's a dumbass. ron paul would be worse.

[Hissyspit]

94. ?

[Cali_Democrat]

97. A potential President Ron Paul would be much worse than President Obama

That's the poster's point.

[Hissyspit]

115. For Julian Assange?

He's not an American citizen.

The grand jury apparently trying to prosecute him is happening under the Obama administration.

[MNBrewer]

29. I guess that makes me a Paulite, as well

as long as we're doing guilt by association, because I support the fight against US attacks on WikiLeaks and on Assange.

[stupidicus]

33. well, aren't all we all racists, etc, for disagreeing with the spying and such?

and of course on the basis of genetic association, BHO is scum http://kristof.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/03/21/obama-and-bush-are-cousins/?_r=0

With blood like that coursing through his veins, is there any wonder why.....?

[ellie]

30. Whatever, asshole.

[Zen Democrat]

31. Either Assange is naive, or he's a woman-hating, poor people-hating lunatic racist.

Those are the only options and both of them are losers. Assange just annihilated himself.

[stupidicus]

32. which of course invalidates everything he's ever said and done

You might top post this to provide further inspiration http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/08/16/julian-assange-praises-matt-drudge-as-news-media-innovator/ for the "I hate the messenger, ergo all their messages are bunk" crowd.

[Iliyah]

35. Read that at RS

and also it was inputted hereinbelow on another Assange thread which I find not a shocker nor a surprise.

[Cali_Democrat]

49. I updated the OP to include this in the comments. n/t

[heaven05]

34. Well

this fucking idiot just dropped out my favorites list. Bunch of RW POS. I think Snowden did good, but being a RW POS means that he negated his worth. He could be assassinated now along with Assange, wouldn't mean a thing.

[OregonBlue]

36. So much for him being a left-wing hero. Just another libertarian dirt bag!!

[NoOneMan]

44. With us or against us

Thats goes for french, terrorist, Assange and the ACLU

[Cooley Hurd]

42. The quote from Assange should've been...

..."hey, they're stopped clocks."

[Hulk]

48. Whoa....."an admirer"? Seriously?

Just took my respect for Assange down a few notches. Because someone is on the right side of a few issues, makes me an admirer of them? I think not. The Paul family are wackos...and maybe have a few rational thoughts in their heads. Nuff said.

[NoOneMan]

76. Watch the video. He was asked a question by the audience on a variety of controversial people/groups

He didn't make a statement. He didn't write a paper. He was approached with a question and he didn't say he admired them. He said he admired their principle position on spying, drone warfare and the defense of wikileaks.

Nevermind. Fuck it. America is full of morons. You basically get the government you deserve

[xoom]

121. Haha! Thanks for the comical relief in this thread!

[Jack Rabbit]

50. Guilt by association is one of the informal logical fallacies

Guilt by association from the Nizkor Project.

I don't give a flying leap who Julian Assange admires. I am concerned about the government collecting "metadata" about who I talk to on the phone and for how long.

[onehandle]

52. Fuck him. Snowden too. Libertarian fuckwads. nt

[freshwest]

53. *snicker*

[Civilization2]

57. I thought RT was red commie propaganda? I guess only when the truth is off script?

The guilt by association, or political leaning, or boxes in the garage crap is tiresome and rather boring.

Got any facts, or news, that changes the debate? Got anything useful to add? Or just more attacks on the messengers, and nothing to say about the massages???

Corporate-militarism is evil and the more the Democrats and the Rethuglicans embrace this sick fascist idea of 1% rule by edict and power OVER the will of the people, the more democracy dies. Comments on that? or is Snowden carrying too many laptops again,. .

[struggle4progress]

60. I know it's hard to keep up, but the Free Magic Market Handers disassembled the Soviet Union

about twenty-five years ago

So nowadays government press like RT doesn't rally the world's workers to unite, loss chains, and such

Apparently what they do nowadays includes encouraging American to vote libertarian

[Maedhros]

58. Thank you for this thread, Cali Democrat.

It has all the people I need to put on Ignore in one place.

(plonk)

That was easy.

[Thinkingabout]

59. As the fog gets clearer we can see more of the sky, the message becomes clear, they

Have been trying to tell us without saying it loud but like the kids at Christmas time keeping secrets become harder and then loose lips sinks ships. I have wondered about this connection for a while. It is more of ODS.

[marble falls]

61. Julian needs to get out more. I think he is losing it. Next he'll be open to more of Lyndon LaRuche.

[Quasimodem]

100. " Julian needs to get out more...."

[Cha]

66. Yeah, I'll just bet he's an admirer of that racist pig, ron paul while calling

out the President for using a telepromter and being petty and vindictive. Fucking shit for brains.

assange is an asshole who with a big fricking ignorant mouth.

[BumRushDaShow]

69. The Pauls? Drudge?

Meet DU's new hero!

[NoOneMan]

78. You do realize, he wasn't asked about Grayson or Warren. It was an audience question

Its meant to ruffle feathers and test his ability to answer a complicated question (assholes he has things in common with)

[BumRushDaShow]

89. Well certainly Ron Paul loves these folks

Lookie here - The very first show on his Channel -

[Cali_Democrat]

95. WOW

Let there be no doubt.

[Hissyspit]

90. Now stop it with nuance and context!

Bad poster.

[villager]

77. How does this stack up to Obama's praise of Ronald Reagan?

[Cali_Democrat]

82. Funny you asked

Unlike Assange, he wasn't praising policies:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1014&pid=567663

[villager]

83. Funny, some of his policies still seem indistinguishable from many Reagan-era ones.

Alas.

[Cali_Democrat]

84. You are certainly entitled to your opinion

However, I'm inclined to disagree with your assessment

[villager]

85. well, I wish there was less of a ballooning MIC informing my opinion

Hell, we even had to fight the murder of unprotected wolves under Reagan, too.

Just like old times again!

[phleshdef]

106. Maybe Obama should round up asians, drop a nuclear bomb and start a war in Vietnam.

Then he'd be more like some of the more "quality" progressive Presidents of the past.

[villager]

108. well if he did, he'd have vociferous, unquestioning defenders for each of those acts

In fact, many here defended the A bomb dropping on this site, just a few days ago...

[phleshdef]

111. Good way to avoid the point.

[villager]

122. My point is, people like you would defend each of those acts, uncritically, and loudly.

Is the point clearer now?

(Though if you're asking if it'd be nice to have a "New Deal" along with the blatant disregard for the 4th Amendment -- a yin to the yang, why... yes it would!)

[fujiyama]

114. Blue Team Good

Red Team Bad.

[Live and Learn]

102. I believe it is possible to be wrong about something

and still be right about others.

[6000eliot]

113. Quelle surprise.

[xoom]

116. Am I reading this right?

[maddezmom]

120. Hmmm, not surprised.

[fujiyama]

131. I'm not really bothered by this

Assange, first of all is not American. It's irrelevant whether or not he "admires" the Paul family - especially being that it's on the issue of government transparency, Assange's primary agenda.

Ron Paul (and I suppose his son, but haven't heard as much) was one of the few politicians I recall, actually supporting Assange when Wikileaks was made famous due to the Manning leaks. I remember he even made it clear during one of the debates.

Look, there are plenty of issues for me to disagree with Ron Paul on - he's obviously nuts on most, but it's difficult for me to disagree with him on the issue of constant war and the US imperialist mindset which our country desperately needs to leave behind. I would never vote for him, give him money, or any support because as I said I think on many issues he's really out there but I completely understand Assange's perspective on this.

[grantcart]

132. And this surprise who?

[Kolesar]

133. reply 2 should not have been hidden ... eom

[Number23]

136. And white supremacists too, apparently

Julian Assange's Wikileaks Party has decided to back Australia's gun nuts and white nationalists as it tries to get a seat in the Senate.

...Australia First's policies include reducing and limiting immigration and ''abolishing multiculturalism'' . Its leader is Jim Saleam, is a former neo-Nazi who was convicted in the late 1980s of organising a shotgun attack on the home of an Australian representative of the African National Congress.

Read more: http://news.techeye.net/business/assange-takes-a-right-wing-stance#ixzz2cerGuhnQ

No wonder so many "purity liberals" here love him so.

This has lead to the resignation of one of his top lieutenants who talks about the "undemocratic" nature of the Wikileaks party as well as their blantant pro-right wing philosophies. http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-08-22/assange-blames-party-teething-problems/4904366

[yurbud]

137. I disagree with him on this, but that doesn't change whether the info he released was true or not

[askeptic]

138. Ad Hominem (Guilt by Association) argumentum ad hominem (also known as: bad company fallacy

Ad Hominem (Guilt by Association)
argumentum ad hominem (also known as: association fallacy, bad company fallacy, company that you keep fallacy, they're not like us fallacy, transfer fallacy)
http://www.logicallyfallacious.com/index.php/logical-fallacies/12-ad-hominem-guilt-by-association

I don't have to agree with a person politically to admire his or her actions. And just because I may agree with their actions doesn't mean that all other actions are also endorsed. I hope DU'ers don't fall for the attempt in this post to induce fallacious thinking.

[MADem]

142. Sorry--that's ad hominem REASONING to reject the guy.

You are trying to make an argument by distraction.

When a person gleefully and proudly associates their beliefs with those of a well-known mendacious and evil other whose reputation is based on his political beliefs, it's using common sense to understand that birds of a feather DO flock together.

To pretend that the reasonable human would separate the two is fallacious.