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Lionel Mandrake

(4,076 posts)
Mon Aug 19, 2013, 01:08 PM Aug 2013

Obama Goes to Bat for Big Tobacco in TPP

Source: ASH

WASHINGTON, DC 19 August – The Obama Administration has backed down from a proposal revealed 15 months ago to protect health from Big Tobacco under the Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP), the pending free trade agreement with 11 other countries. New language concerning tobacco, the exact text of which has not been released, is expected to be proposed later this week at the next TPP negotiating round in Brunei. Legal analysts for the public health community, who were briefed Friday morning in a closed session by administration officials, agreed that the new proposal will do little to protect governments’ right to regulate tobacco.

“The draft TPPA benefits tobacco companies with zero tariffs, expanded investor rights, and greater limits on regulation of tobacco advertising and other services,” said Robert Stumberg, director of the Harrison Institute for Public Law at Georgetown University Law Center. “The revised U.S. position inserts the word ‘tobacco’ without touching the benefits for tobacco companies.”

The tobacco industry has a long history of using trade agreements to attack public health measures aimed at reducing tobacco use. Last year, the United States lost its final appeal in a suit brought under World Trade Organization rules by Indonesia over a U.S. ban on flavored cigarettes, including candy flavors clearly aimed at children. The case was a wake-up call for the U.S. public health community about the dangers to tobacco regulations posed by a web of trade obligations.

The draft TPP will make it even easier for governments to be sued for their tobacco regulations. Unlike the WTO, corporations will have the right under the TPP to directly sue governments, without the need of a state sponsor. Similar suits have already been leveled against a number of countries, including Australia, Uruguay, Norway and Turkey.

- See more at: http://ash.org/obama-goes-to-bat-for-big-tobacco-in-tpp/#sthash.SnUoduZ6.dpuf

Read more: http://ash.org/obama-goes-to-bat-for-big-tobacco-in-tpp/



Trade agreements like this one always benefit big business and hurt ordinary people. This particular trade agreement will kill hundreds of millions of people.
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Obama Goes to Bat for Big Tobacco in TPP (Original Post) Lionel Mandrake Aug 2013 OP
Recommend... KoKo Aug 2013 #1
I am so disgusted at this. Shame, shame on Obama for this misguided idea. CaliforniaPeggy Aug 2013 #2
How can anyone be merely "misguided" about tobacco and cancer? Divernan Aug 2013 #9
OK; I should have picked a stronger word! CaliforniaPeggy Aug 2013 #11
You know, this is so outrageous, I can't think of a word that IS strong enough! Divernan Aug 2013 #12
I'm with you........this is just horrifyingly criminal! CaliforniaPeggy Aug 2013 #14
Tobacco is the single greatest cause of preventable death globally. Divernan Aug 2013 #56
He never met a corporation he wasn't willing to get in bed with. HooptieWagon Aug 2013 #3
Obama Goes to Bat for Big Tobacco in TPP The CCC Aug 2013 #4
God Bless the United Corporations of America. progressoid Aug 2013 #5
corp.gov Why Syzygy Aug 2013 #55
ZERO TARIFFS, EXPANDED INVESTOR RIGHTS, GREATER LIMITS ON ADVERTISING & OTHER REGULATIONS! Divernan Aug 2013 #6
And when Granny gets Cancer she can get Demerol from Walgreens warrant46 Aug 2013 #59
and who played a leading part in drafting the TPP? Hillary Clinton. antigop Aug 2013 #7
She was just carrying on the family tradition. Lionel Mandrake Aug 2013 #13
This message was self-deleted by its author antigop Aug 2013 #15
but but but Phlem Aug 2013 #33
Obama is a corporatist. TM99 Aug 2013 #8
Shareholders are in charge. Only they have the power to assist or not assist the corptocracy. nt raouldukelives Aug 2013 #32
While true, what does it have to do with the price of tea in China? TM99 Aug 2013 #37
Well, just pointing out people do get what they pay for. nt raouldukelives Aug 2013 #41
Have you never heard of lobbyists? Divernan Aug 2013 #39
Why yes, I have. Do you know who gives the lobbyists all that money? raouldukelives Aug 2013 #40
Why yes, I do - having worked for the Democratic caucus of my state legislature for many years Divernan Aug 2013 #43
Yes, the lobbyists get the money from the corporations. Do you think they spend their own money? raouldukelives Aug 2013 #62
This is somewhat off-topic, but ... Lionel Mandrake Aug 2013 #42
And let us not forget all the huge, high paying "non-profit" businesses with zip stockholders. Divernan Aug 2013 #45
Indeed. And yet they still freely choose to support them. raouldukelives Aug 2013 #63
Big tobacco and the Koch brothers co-created the "tea party". Fire Walk With Me Aug 2013 #10
And the Koch's Propaganda Machines use same game plan to deny climate change as promoted tobacco stuffmatters Aug 2013 #64
Harvard School of Public Health: "World looking at a billion deaths from tobacco this century." Divernan Aug 2013 #16
And the neutering and subversion of the US gov't to big corporations continues Triana Aug 2013 #17
Call your congress person: NO to fast tracking, straight up-or-down vote; NO TO BIG TOBACCO! Divernan Aug 2013 #18
i eagerly await the palace guard's spin on how this is actually a good thing... KG Aug 2013 #19
It will be very profitable for Big Pharma/Health Care - all those cancer patients Divernan Aug 2013 #20
Another huge victory for Reaganism if the TPP passes. pa28 Aug 2013 #21
I call all the presidents since Carter "Reaganites." immoderate Aug 2013 #51
TPP isn't as much about trade as it is democracy itself, democratic values, and our own sovereignty- silvershadow Aug 2013 #22
Forward this link to your local paper/political cartoonist. Divernan Aug 2013 #23
what, Latin America so saturated they have to move on to China? MisterP Aug 2013 #24
If "saturation" was their concern, why would they move to a country hughee99 Aug 2013 #53
Why Is The Liberal Press Mostly Ignoring This? colsohlibgal Aug 2013 #25
Reporting staffs slashed, don't typically cover international trade stories Divernan Aug 2013 #26
No O supporters posting yet. Has Obama jumped the shark with this one? Divernan Aug 2013 #27
Not to worry . . . markpkessinger Aug 2013 #29
Actually, the BOG only does that... JackRiddler Aug 2013 #38
They turned up but even they were lost for a coherent response this time. Nihil Aug 2013 #66
Thanks for that info. Thanks to "ignore" I haven't seen any responses. Divernan Aug 2013 #67
Yet, smokers fredamae Aug 2013 #28
headline is so biased it's funny nt uhnope Aug 2013 #30
I'm late to the party, but glad I'm not the only one who thought that...thanks! George II Aug 2013 #34
I was wondering when someone would notice that. Lionel Mandrake Aug 2013 #44
That is the last straw. JDPriestly Aug 2013 #31
And at the same time . . . markpkessinger Aug 2013 #46
Maybe Obama should have spent his summer vacation volunteering in a cancer ward. Divernan Aug 2013 #48
it's not a straw, it's a bat. heh. uhnope Aug 2013 #49
Many firms representing Big Tobacco randr Aug 2013 #35
No counter-points yet? Ash_F Aug 2013 #36
Sometimes it takes a while . . . markpkessinger Aug 2013 #47
They're busy getting David Miranda fitted for an al Qaeda uniform. They'll be around eventually. DisgustipatedinCA Aug 2013 #50
There are none. ForgoTheConsequence Aug 2013 #52
Wait until smoking becomes cool again. Ash_F Aug 2013 #57
Bump, still waiting on the pro argument. Ash_F Aug 2013 #68
Vile, disgusting, and unconscionable. More and more like it's still 2008. MotherPetrie Aug 2013 #54
What in the world is this? Harmony Blue Aug 2013 #58
First six words sum up his entire reign Doctor_J Aug 2013 #60
The last good news from the Obama Administration was Lionel Mandrake Aug 2013 #61
$35 Billion annual Tobacco Profits; Nearly 6 million annual deaths. Divernan Aug 2013 #65
Obama has no shame. He'll do ANYTHING to protect the 1%. forestpath Aug 2013 #69
Not exactly. Lionel Mandrake Aug 2013 #70
"This particular trade agreement will kill hundreds of millions of people." 4bucksagallon Aug 2013 #71
Yes, tobacco is a legal product. Lionel Mandrake Aug 2013 #73
Not surprising. He is a smoker. Pterodactyl Aug 2013 #72

Divernan

(15,480 posts)
9. How can anyone be merely "misguided" about tobacco and cancer?
Mon Aug 19, 2013, 01:45 PM
Aug 2013

Here's a definition for "misguided"
mis·guid·ed (ms-gdd)
adj.
Based or acting on error; misled: well-intentioned but misguided efforts; misguided do-gooders.

There is no way in this universe that Obama is well-intentioned or acting on "error" because every sentient being knows that smoking causes cancer. I mean, even the most dedicated supporter cannot spin this egregious, shocking action on his part to come up with a single advantage to smoking.

Divernan

(15,480 posts)
56. Tobacco is the single greatest cause of preventable death globally.
Mon Aug 19, 2013, 08:02 PM
Aug 2013
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_effects_of_tobacco
Tobacco is the single greatest cause of preventable death globally. Tobacco use leads most commonly to diseases affecting the heart, liver and lungs, with smoking being a major risk factor for heart attacks, strokes, chronic obstructive pulmonary disease (COPD) (including emphysema and chronic bronchitis), and cancer (particularly lung cancer, cancers of the larynx and mouth, and pancreatic cancer). It also causes peripheral vascular disease and hypertension. The effects depend on the number of years that a person smokes and on how much the person smokes. Starting smoking earlier in life and smoking cigarettes higher in tar increases the risk of these diseases. Also, environmental tobacco smoke, or secondhand smoke, has been shown to cause adverse health effects in people of all ages. Cigarettes sold in underdeveloped countries tend to have higher tar content, and are less likely to be filtered, potentially increasing vulnerability to tobacco-related disease in these regions.

The World Health Organization (WHO) estimates that tobacco caused 5.4 million deaths in 2004 and 100 million deaths over the course of the 20th century. Similarly, the United States Centers for Disease Control and Prevention describes tobacco use as "the single most important preventable risk to human health in developed countries and an important cause of premature death worldwide." Several countries have taken measures to control the consumption of tobacco with usage and sales restrictions as well as warning messages printed on packaging.

Smoke contains several carcinogenic pyrolytic products that bind to DNA and cause many genetic mutations. There are 45 known or suspected chemical carcinogens in cigarette smoke.[9] Tobacco also contains nicotine, which is a highly addictive psychoactive drug. When tobacco is smoked, nicotine causes physical and psychological dependency. Tobacco use is a significant factor in miscarriages among pregnant smokers, and it contributes to a number of other threats to the health of the fetus such as premature births and low birth weight and increases by 1.4 to 3 times the chance for Sudden Infant Death Syndrome (SIDS). The result of scientific studies done in neonatal rats seems to indicate that exposure to cigarette smoke in the womb may reduce the fetal brain's ability to recognize hypoxic conditions, thus increasing the chance of accidental asphyxiation. Incidence of impotence is approximately 85 percent higher in male smokers compared to non-smokers, and is a key factor causing erectile dysfunction (ED)

Divernan

(15,480 posts)
6. ZERO TARIFFS, EXPANDED INVESTOR RIGHTS, GREATER LIMITS ON ADVERTISING & OTHER REGULATIONS!
Mon Aug 19, 2013, 01:39 PM
Aug 2013
OBAMA WHEELS AND DEALS TO GIVE CORPORATIONS THE RIGHT TO DIRECTLY SUE GOVERNMENTS, WITHOUT A STATE SPONSOR.



BIG TOBACCO ALREADY USING TRADE AGREEMENTS TO SUE AUSTRALIA, URUGUAY, NORWAY AND TURKEY
.

This hypocrisy is beyond belief - raiding and prosecuting medical marijuana growers, but opening up the markets via his grand trade agreements to letting Big Tobacco and Big Lung Cancer prey upon Americans, and especially our kids, who are so vulnerable to seductive advertising.

warrant46

(2,205 posts)
59. And when Granny gets Cancer she can get Demerol from Walgreens
Mon Aug 19, 2013, 08:28 PM
Aug 2013

No joint for pain for her, she might get addicted to Demerol </sarcasm>

Lionel Mandrake

(4,076 posts)
13. She was just carrying on the family tradition.
Mon Aug 19, 2013, 01:57 PM
Aug 2013

President Bill Clinton supported NAFTA. He "signed it into law on December 8, 1993", although to his credit he "introduced clauses to protect American workers ...".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_American_Free_Trade_Agreement

Response to Lionel Mandrake (Reply #13)

 

TM99

(8,352 posts)
8. Obama is a corporatist.
Mon Aug 19, 2013, 01:44 PM
Aug 2013

He knows who really got him elected, and he rewards them very, very well.

Yay us!

 

TM99

(8,352 posts)
37. While true, what does it have to do with the price of tea in China?
Mon Aug 19, 2013, 03:52 PM
Aug 2013

Obama is still a corporatist.

Divernan

(15,480 posts)
39. Have you never heard of lobbyists?
Mon Aug 19, 2013, 04:04 PM
Aug 2013

They're the ones who "assist" the "corptocracy", as you call it, with their massive bribes, oops, I mean campaign donations, not to mention promises to politicians of post-political-office positions on corporate boards (worth at least $100,000 a year, each, including stock options).

raouldukelives

(5,178 posts)
40. Why yes, I have. Do you know who gives the lobbyists all that money?
Mon Aug 19, 2013, 04:12 PM
Aug 2013

Anyone who gives money to Wall St. They fund lobbyists, they fund the Cato Institute, they fund climate deniers, ALEC and the TPP. Not to mention profiting from war, the crushing of fledgling democracies, denial of medical services, nuclear prolifiration and a 1000 other issues that give lefties goosebumps.
It is a willing symbiotic relationship.
Only they have the power to give or not give corporations unchecked power to the detriment of us all. Of course, first you have to find one that actually cares about any of those issues.

Divernan

(15,480 posts)
43. Why yes, I do - having worked for the Democratic caucus of my state legislature for many years
Mon Aug 19, 2013, 04:42 PM
Aug 2013

and seen up close and personal the well-coiffed but nevertheless slimy lobbyists for corporate interests. They come in with a check in one hand and pre-written legislation (often from ALEC) in the other. The lobbyists get their money directly from their employers - banks, corporations or associations of corporate/business interests - like the Chamber of Commerce or state builders' associations, etc. And it is disingenuous to claim that shareholders control corporate policy, particularly when so many shares are held by mutual funds, pension plans, IRA portfolios or the like. That's about as far-fetched as saying that Wal-mart customers control its corporate policy.

The corporation's legal duty is to make a profit for the shareholders and profits are basically the extent of the shareholders' interest. They invest for growth and/or dividends. A few enlightened shareholders may protest corporate policies, but to no discernible effect. When my son was at Yale, he and several thousand fellow undergrads did vociferously protest for years to get Yale to divest its holdings in South African enterprises. Their efforts drew international attention and praise, but Yale did NOT divest. I guess you could really stretch and say since my son was a member of the Yale student body, and Yale was a stockholder, my son was a stockholder as well.

Really - trying to shift the blame for corporate malfeasance onto any poor naif who has a few thousand put away trying to save for retirement? That is really, really sad.

raouldukelives

(5,178 posts)
62. Yes, the lobbyists get the money from the corporations. Do you think they spend their own money?
Mon Aug 19, 2013, 09:38 PM
Aug 2013

They spend investors money. But you know all this. That is what keeps the game afloat. That is what keeps action from occurring against climate change and attacks the efforts of those trying to sustain a habitable environment for the planets wildlife.
I think that issues transcends the needs of people who collaborate with corporations.
The corporations are extended the benefit of fiduciary responsibility by the shareholders themselves.
I am in no way trying to shift the blame for corporate wrongdoing onto the shareholders, just that they are complicit in the actions of the corporations they support with their own money. It is a free choice for them. Nobody is demanding they support Goldman or Lockheed.
Would someone who invested in slavery be as guilty as the slave owner? No. Would they be considered a prudent investor? Only by some.
I am sorry to hear your sons actions failed but commend him for taking a stand.
When Yale does not divest, one must divest from Yale.

Lionel Mandrake

(4,076 posts)
42. This is somewhat off-topic, but ...
Mon Aug 19, 2013, 04:40 PM
Aug 2013

the power of shareholders is largely a myth. You would think that shareholders, as owners of the corporation, have ultimate power. In the real world, only large shareholders have power. Small shareholders are disenfranchised. They have no effective way to communicate with each other, to organize, or to protect their interest. This is evident from the huge salaries paid to top executives. Those salaries take money out of the pockets of the shareholders.

It is not uncommon for the CEO of a large corporation to also be the Chairman of the Board. This is a conflict of interest, inasmuch as the Board of Directors is supposed to represent the the shareholders, whose interest is often directly opposed to that of the greedy executives.

Divernan

(15,480 posts)
45. And let us not forget all the huge, high paying "non-profit" businesses with zip stockholders.
Mon Aug 19, 2013, 05:00 PM
Aug 2013

Take for example, UPMC, a NON PROFIT health care consortium which started out as a couple of specialist hospitals associated with the University of Pittsburgh Medical School, and has now grown until it is international in scope - from Saudi Arabia to Italy to UK to Ireland - or as they put it, providing health care around the globe, and last year paid 26 of its employees more than a million dollars each. It's chief executive raked in $6.07 million.

In 2012, UPMC's lobbying expenditures totalled $1,490,000. And guess what! Not a shareholder to be found! And that's just in the US - heaven only knows how much "baksheesh" they paid in Saudi Arabia.

http://www.opensecrets.org/lobby/clientsum.php?id=D000022298&year=2012

And may I say, their policies suck. They don't have to pay property taxes on vast amounts of valuable real estate, but they do claim to provide charitable care to some in the community. Of course, UPMC determines the value of what care they provide, and those $32 each Tylenol tablets and $150 heating pads really add up quickly. They purchased old, smaller hospitals in poor communities and promptly closed them, forcing people to travel farther to more expensive facilities. You get the picture?

raouldukelives

(5,178 posts)
63. Indeed. And yet they still freely choose to support them.
Mon Aug 19, 2013, 09:42 PM
Aug 2013

The only power the shareholder has is the power to be or not to be. In the end, that is all that really matters.

 

Fire Walk With Me

(38,893 posts)
10. Big tobacco and the Koch brothers co-created the "tea party".
Mon Aug 19, 2013, 01:52 PM
Aug 2013
Study Confirms Tea Party Was Created by Big Tobacco and Billionaire Koch Brothers
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/brendan-demelle/study-confirms-tea-party-_b_2663125.html

So Obama is for the TPP and big tobacco...not very much of a distance from the Koch brothers themselves.

stuffmatters

(2,574 posts)
64. And the Koch's Propaganda Machines use same game plan to deny climate change as promoted tobacco
Mon Aug 19, 2013, 09:50 PM
Aug 2013

This TPP Treaty is both antidemocracy and antipeople. There is absolutely no justification for any of its contents except to the most insatiable global corporatists. This is what Obama wants as his legacy? It's obscene. And yeah, Hilary's fingerprints are all over it too.

And Obama won't let any of our elected representatives see the treaty in toto; the only input he wants is from the uber corps.

Divernan

(15,480 posts)
16. Harvard School of Public Health: "World looking at a billion deaths from tobacco this century."
Mon Aug 19, 2013, 02:01 PM
Aug 2013
Tobacco killed about 100 million people during the 20th century, and globally tobacco use is rising rapidly. According to the World Health Organization, unless drastic action is taken it will claim 1 billion lives this century.

“The world is looking at a billion deaths from tobacco in this century. Rather than provide health leadership, the United States is helping the tobacco industry to repeat the cycle of disease it placed in our nation,” said Gregory Connolly of the Harvard School of Public Health.

“Our government’s trade policy is promoting the tobacco epidemic, this time in the poorest nations of the globe.” Dr. Connolly successfully challenged the US practice of compelling Asian nations to import US cigarettes or face unilateral trade sanctions. His work with Congress and scientific articles contributed to a Clinton Administration executive order removing tobacco from trade negotiations, which this latest action has reversed.
- See more at: http://ash.org/obama-goes-to-bat-for-big-tobacco-in-tpp/#sthash.SnUoduZ6.qpUpjLCw.dpuf
 

Triana

(22,666 posts)
17. And the neutering and subversion of the US gov't to big corporations continues
Mon Aug 19, 2013, 02:04 PM
Aug 2013

Ushered along by Obama himself.

Divernan

(15,480 posts)
18. Call your congress person: NO to fast tracking, straight up-or-down vote; NO TO BIG TOBACCO!
Mon Aug 19, 2013, 02:12 PM
Aug 2013

Do yourselves, your children, your grandchildren, your friends, your neighbors, your community and the whole world the favor of a lifetime and call your congress person to scream and shout NO! to Big Tobacco. Make the inclusion of this sellout to Big Tobacco in the TPP, the poison pill which stops Obama's efforts to fast track this agreement, dead in its tracks!

And keep calling them, every damn day, until you get a commitment they will vote against fast tracking. Call their DC office and every one of their district offices, every day.

Negotiations for the TPP will resume on August 22nd in Brunei, and are set to conclude in October. In September, the Obama Administration will be asking Congress for so-called “fast track” authority, which would mean that Congress could only vote up or down on the final text, without the ability to suggest amendments
.



- See more at: http://ash.org/obama-goes-to-bat-for-big-tobacco-in-tpp/#sthash.SnUoduZ6.WBomP2Vo.dpuf

Not enough that the USA's main export are traditional weapons of death and destruction; now we addd Big Tobacco to our lethal exports.
I'm headed out on the net, particularly to The Guardian and Spiegel International to spread the word.

Divernan

(15,480 posts)
20. It will be very profitable for Big Pharma/Health Care - all those cancer patients
Mon Aug 19, 2013, 02:16 PM
Aug 2013

Chemotherapy, radiation, surgery, hospitals - my god how the money will roll in! And think about the Funeral Home Industry - they'll have boom times too!

pa28

(6,145 posts)
21. Another huge victory for Reaganism if the TPP passes.
Mon Aug 19, 2013, 02:27 PM
Aug 2013

This agreement can peel back years of hard won legislation and regulations and "our" guy is behind it. How about that?

 

immoderate

(20,885 posts)
51. I call all the presidents since Carter "Reaganites."
Mon Aug 19, 2013, 05:59 PM
Aug 2013

They all leaned toward internationalism, corporatism, and were against the worker.

Either Hillary or Christie will follow along.

--imm

 

silvershadow

(10,336 posts)
22. TPP isn't as much about trade as it is democracy itself, democratic values, and our own sovereignty-
Mon Aug 19, 2013, 02:29 PM
Aug 2013

specifically, the deal undermines all of the above. Therefore, I am opposed.

Divernan

(15,480 posts)
23. Forward this link to your local paper/political cartoonist.
Mon Aug 19, 2013, 02:42 PM
Aug 2013

I just shot a message and link off to the Post-Gazette and Rob Rogers, our award-winning political cartoonist. They wouldn't typically cover the TPP until after a vote was taken so I gave them a heads-up about the September vote in Congress where Obama will press for fast track authority, which means that when the TPP agreement is finally hammered out, Congress will have no opportunity to reject any one part of it.

I think that the Big Tobacco angle will be of great interest to local readers everywhere.

hughee99

(16,113 posts)
53. If "saturation" was their concern, why would they move to a country
Mon Aug 19, 2013, 06:49 PM
Aug 2013

that produces 5 times as much tobacco as the US.

colsohlibgal

(5,275 posts)
25. Why Is The Liberal Press Mostly Ignoring This?
Mon Aug 19, 2013, 02:46 PM
Aug 2013

I'm spooked by that. Maybe it's getting no traction because it's not a shiny object or too complicated but it's sad and scary it's being largely ignored.

Divernan

(15,480 posts)
26. Reporting staffs slashed, don't typically cover international trade stories
Mon Aug 19, 2013, 02:53 PM
Aug 2013

Send your local paper the link to this report from the OP and point out that this will affect the people and kids in their community. You know those laws forbidding billboard ads for cigarettes,and especially any advertising of cigarettes near schools. Well under the proposed Obama changes, Big Tobacco could sue state and local governments over advertising regulations. We haven't seen the fine print yet, but I also expect Big Tobacco would like to start handing out free samples as a form of advertising.

 

JackRiddler

(24,979 posts)
38. Actually, the BOG only does that...
Mon Aug 19, 2013, 04:02 PM
Aug 2013

For stuff that has attention.

This is being fully suppressed from the media.

Regular non-politicals know something about Snowden/NSA, therefore talking points relentlessly repeated.

Also, this is absolutely not defensible. There's no way to get around it, it's the proactive policy of the USG to cede sovereignty over environmental and labor issues to (foreign) corporations. This is why it gets negotiated in secret and even senators must leak information. This is why "fast track" voting.

 

Nihil

(13,508 posts)
66. They turned up but even they were lost for a coherent response this time.
Tue Aug 20, 2013, 09:08 AM
Aug 2013

"The best democracy money can buy" has only the tried & tested tactic
of "smother any news & distract with shiny objects" as there is no honest
response that could justify this behaviour.



fredamae

(4,458 posts)
28. Yet, smokers
Mon Aug 19, 2013, 03:05 PM
Aug 2013
get to pay MUCH higher premiums under the ACA because, why?

And he SUPPORTS Big Tobacco in this arena??? W.T.F.?

Lionel Mandrake

(4,076 posts)
44. I was wondering when someone would notice that.
Mon Aug 19, 2013, 04:50 PM
Aug 2013

I would argue that the press release does contain serious news. But it also editorializes in a big way, as you might expect, considering the source (of which I am a member).

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
31. That is the last straw.
Mon Aug 19, 2013, 03:26 PM
Aug 2013

More cancer. More cancer. More cancer. More cancer.

That's what looser restrictions on ads and sales of tobacco mean.

Dying of cancer is ugly and painful.

More cancer. More cancer. More cancer. More cancer.

But what does our current administration's trade representatives on the TPP talks care about cancer victims all over the word?

As long as tobacco is addictive and makes lots of profits, who cares how many it kills? Who cares how many lives are cut short as long as the hedge fund managers make their money?

President Obama, do you want your daughters to smoke?

Because if restrictions on tobacco ads and marketing are loosened, the chances that they will rise greatly.

markpkessinger

(8,392 posts)
46. And at the same time . . .
Mon Aug 19, 2013, 05:12 PM
Aug 2013

. . . be sure to go after medical marijuana dispensaries -- you know, those places that provide stuff that might provide a little relief to the cancer patients you mention!

I agree -- this is just utterly indefensible on ANY level.

Divernan

(15,480 posts)
48. Maybe Obama should have spent his summer vacation volunteering in a cancer ward.
Mon Aug 19, 2013, 05:15 PM
Aug 2013

You are absolutely right, JDPriestly - I've watched dear relatives and one friend endure debilitating chemo treatments only to die slow and agonizing deaths of cancer, and once had to take a death bed deposition of a man dying of cancer. Has Obama led such a sheltered life that he's never seen this?

As Joseph Welch said to Senator Joseph McCarthy, "You've done enough. Have you no decency, sir, at long last? Have you left no sense of decency?"

Obama's done more than enough for his corporate sponsors. He should have the basic human decency to protect the US and the world (via this international trade agreement) from Big Tobacco.

randr

(12,409 posts)
35. Many firms representing Big Tobacco
Mon Aug 19, 2013, 03:44 PM
Aug 2013

are also representing the fracting/anti-global warming market.
It will be interesting to see where Obama cabinet/advisor members find employment following his term.

ForgoTheConsequence

(4,867 posts)
52. There are none.
Mon Aug 19, 2013, 06:16 PM
Aug 2013

Instead they'll just find an article talking about how another country did something wrong.

 

Doctor_J

(36,392 posts)
60. First six words sum up his entire reign
Mon Aug 19, 2013, 08:32 PM
Aug 2013
The Obama Administration has backed down


When is the last time we had any good news from/about the admin??

Lionel Mandrake

(4,076 posts)
61. The last good news from the Obama Administration was
Mon Aug 19, 2013, 09:13 PM
Aug 2013

arguably May 2, 2011, when they finally took out Osama bin Laden. That would have been a good time to declare victory in the Afghanistan/Pakistan theater of war.

Divernan

(15,480 posts)
65. $35 Billion annual Tobacco Profits; Nearly 6 million annual deaths.
Tue Aug 20, 2013, 06:41 AM
Aug 2013
http://www.worldlungfoundation.org/ht/display/ReleaseDetails/i/20439/pid/6858


*In 2010, tobacco industry’s profit was equivalent to US$6,000 for each death caused by tobacco.
* Since the 1st Tobacco Atlas in 2002, almost 50 million people have died from tobacco.
* 43 trillion cigarettes have been smoked in the last decade.

(Singapore) - The Tobacco Atlas, Fourth Edition, and its companion website TobaccoAtlas.org, were unveiled today by the American Cancer Society and World Lung Foundation at the 15th World Conference on Tobacco OR Health. The Atlas graphically details the scale of the tobacco epidemic, progress that has been made in tobacco control, and the latest products and tactics being deployed by the highly profitable tobacco industry – such as the use of new media, trade litigation, and aggressive development of smokeless products.

Tobacco Industry Profits Greater Than Ever
According to The Tobacco Atlas, estimates of revenues from the global tobacco industry likely approach a half trillion U.S. dollars annually. In 2010, the combined profits of the six leading tobacco companies was U.S. $35.1 billion, equal to the combined profits of Coca-Cola, Microsoft, and McDonald’s in the same year. If Big Tobacco were a country, it would have a gross domestic product (GDP) of countries like Poland, Saudi Arabia, Sweden and Venezuela.

The Most Preventable Cause of Death
In 2011, according to The Tobacco Atlas, tobacco use killed almost 6 million people, with nearly 80% of these deaths occurring in low- and middle-income countries. When considering 2010 deaths with tobacco industry revenue, the tobacco industry realizes almost $6,000 in profit for each death caused by tobacco.


If trends continue, one billion people will die from tobacco use and exposure during the 21st century – one person every six seconds. Globally, tobacco-related deaths have nearly tripled in the past decade, and tobacco is responsible for more than 15% of all male deaths and 7% of female deaths. Tobacco is also a risk factor for the four leading noncommunicable diseases (NCDs) – cancer, heart disease, diabetes and chronic respiratory diseases – which account for more than 63% of global deaths according to the World Health Organization.

Lionel Mandrake

(4,076 posts)
70. Not exactly.
Tue Aug 20, 2013, 08:17 PM
Aug 2013

The 1% was and is opposed to Obamacare. Obama continues to support it (although he tolerates delays).

On the whole, IMHO, Obama is getting more and more conservative.

4bucksagallon

(975 posts)
71. "This particular trade agreement will kill hundreds of millions of people."
Wed Aug 21, 2013, 01:59 AM
Aug 2013

Sure it will...... maybe even billions..........Just don't forget it is a legal product in your rant. LOL!

Lionel Mandrake

(4,076 posts)
73. Yes, tobacco is a legal product.
Wed Aug 21, 2013, 02:34 PM
Aug 2013

That's not the issue. The issue is to what extent children and non-smokers should be protected from second-hand smoke and from advertisements of tobacco products. The fact that a product is legal doesn't mean that it should be immune from restrictions intended to protect public health.

Food and most drugs, for example, are legal, but they are subject to restrictions by the government, and rightly so. In the USA, for example, the FDA controls these legal products to protect public health. Some drugs are available by prescription only. Food must be labeled in certain ways, so that consumers will know just what they are buying. Why should tobacco products escape similar control?

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