Dominique Strauss-Kahn 'a suspect' in prostitution ring inquiry
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-17110618Mr Strauss-Kahn, once a front-runner for the French presidency, is being held in custody at a police station in Lille, northern France.
Police have questioned a number of prostitutes who have admitted having sex with Mr Strauss-Kahn. He insists he did not know that the women were prostitutes.
"I challenge you to distinguish a naked prostitute from any other naked woman," his lawyer Henri Leclerc has told French television.
MADem
(135,425 posts)Or does he always just whip out his wallet every time he has sex?
That guy is not telling the truth, I suspect. And this reporting pulls up mental images that do nothing for holding down one's breakfast:
Three of the suspects were said to have been close to Mr Strauss-Kahn, who is said to have taken part in sex parties in Paris and Washington in late 2010 and early 2011.
Reminds me of the Berlusconi pics--ugh!
dipsydoodle
(42,239 posts)JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)Prostitution in France (the exchange of sexual services for money) is not illegal, but several surrounding activities are. These include soliciting, procuring, operating a brothel (maisons closes, lupanar or bordel in French), living off the avails, and paying for sex with someone under the age of 18.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prostitution_in_France
No doubt, Dominique Strauss-Kahn used prostitutes. Whether the Sarkozy regime can prove that he solicited, procured, operated a brothel, lived off the the avails or paid for sex with someone under the age of 18 may be more difficult to prove. I think that this is part of a campaign against legal prostitution in France. The campaign is a good idea. Using the campaign to get rid of a very popular political opponent is not.
The practice of prostitution has been quite common in France for a long, long time. It's a shame, but that is how it is. Strauss-Kahn is being used as an example. There is nothing wrong with using him as an example, but please keep this in a cultural perspective.
And remember what happened to Eliot Spitzer. We lost an important leader at a time when his voice was needed. What he did was wrong, but silencing him through scandal was even worse.
MADem
(135,425 posts)Using Spitzer to justify DSK is just strange to me. America does not share that French culture.
And Spitzer was "the law." He knew better. I don't think we "lost" him--I think we avoided him. Yes, he's smart, he had good ideas, but he also had a hubris-soaked blind spot that was as big as New York City. He makes a better pundit than a leader. They also serve who give good ideas to others.
I also think using the "cultural" excuse is a bit weak, too, even for DSK. Bottom line--they may not make a big stink about it in gay Paree, but people who use prostitutes are regarded in a certain fashion, and it's not an ennobling practice.
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)It's just a shame that we are so terribly human and make so many stupid mistakes.
I much prefer 10 Spitzers to one Santorum although I think we can be pretty certain that Santorum has never frequented a prostitute.
As for Strauss-Kahn, he obviously has a problem from our point of view. But having lived in other countries, I realize that moral points of view differ. I am very circumspect in my personal life. It is for that reason that I can be more tolerant of others about these things. But if I as an American woman lived in Saudi Arabia, I would probably be viewed as quite a scandalous woman.
I think that the French ideas about love and sex are changing. Strauss-Kahn is part of that change, maybe a catalyst. It has not been such a long time since a French Prime Minister's mistress attended his funeral. I think she might even have served as one of the Prime Minister's top advisers.
lunatica
(53,410 posts)These so-called, alleged, no proof there, naked women in his life just look like all the other naked women around him. And is it possible that when they ask to be paid for acts that, it seem, every other woman does with him too, that he doesn't get a hint?
If that Idiocrat lawyer ever saw me naked he wouldn't claim all women are indistinguishable from each other. LOL!
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)from nonprostitutes anyway.
rfranklin
(13,200 posts)he might have assumed that she wanted to fulfill it with him.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)greiner3
(5,214 posts)'Sex addict?'
rfranklin
(13,200 posts)It seems just like the operation that took out Eliot Spitzer.
FourScore
(9,704 posts)msanthrope
(37,549 posts)rfranklin
(13,200 posts)and consequently easily exploited by opponents because they know that the general population will cluck their tongues over such transgressions while much more important issues are neglected.
msanthrope
(37,549 posts)up on the Carlton Affair...would you support the French government dropping the case against Eiffage?
If a Wall Street firm paid for prostitutes for federal officials here, wouldn't you want them investigated?
rfranklin
(13,200 posts)My point is that it does go on and it is only when someone really orchestrates a honey trap do these guys get nailed. And it usually doesn't have much to do with the actual offenses, it's a political move.
msanthrope
(37,549 posts)Poor, poor, honey-trapped male....
Scout
(8,624 posts)and it's just a big conspiracy by the pearl-clutching anti-sex clucking prudes!
rfranklin
(13,200 posts)My point is that these things usually only come out when someone wants to gain political advantage. Why did all the corruption of the mortgage mess get ignored?
msanthrope
(37,549 posts)to look into derivatives????
msanthrope
(37,549 posts)How was he supposed to know they weren't prostitutes, paid for by the company who provided the orgy and hotel space???
Look, from what I hear, women of all ages are just lining up to fuck him...heck, one even put a maid's uniform on and pretended to clean a hotel room just to get near him!!!!
ronnie624
(5,764 posts)No charges have been filed against Stauss-Kahn, and this article says, "He is not believed to be a major figure in the organization of the hotel rings."
http://slatest.slate.com/posts/2012/02/21/dominique_strauss_kahn_ex_imf_chief_questioned_in_carlton_affair_prostitution_ring_scandal_.html
msanthrope
(37,549 posts)rfranklin
(13,200 posts)otherwise you might translate for us rubes.
msanthrope
(37,549 posts)means, it's pretty simple.
ronnie624
(5,764 posts)But I'm sure I would find little more than innuendo, just like everywhere else, currently.
msanthrope
(37,549 posts)Google will translate most French papers for you.
ronnie624
(5,764 posts)It associates him through rumor, with those who have been accused.
Being a pig is not illegal.
msanthrope
(37,549 posts)and the businessmen arrested, and some of the prostitutes have given testimony as to his involvement.
We shall see. He's taken himself out of the running for public office, though.
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)so that would be an issue any way you look at it.
aquart
(69,014 posts)msanthrope
(37,549 posts)MADem
(135,425 posts)He should have done less of that "smooth operator" shit and spent more time at home with his damn family.
Hubris and an above-the-law attitude did him in. Damn shame, he's a smart guy, but he was wrong.
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)"somebody really wants this guy out of the way..."
Yeah... his own common sense.
MicaelS
(8,747 posts)Were their respective penises.
BadtotheboneBob
(413 posts)Sorry... couldn't resist
erpowers
(9,350 posts)At the end of the excerpt in the original post Strauss-Khan's lawyer stated, "I challenge you to distinguish a naked prostitute from any other naked woman." No, you cannot tell that a naked woman is a prostitute just by looking at her; however, if a woman only agrees to sleep with you if you pay her then most likely she is a prostitute.
Beacool
(30,250 posts)"I challenge you to distinguish a naked prostitute from any other naked woman," his lawyer Henri Leclerc has told French television.
Strauss-Kahn and his lawyer. The guy is a creep who has a history of assaulting women.
aquart
(69,014 posts)SOME men are being charged with running a prostitution ring and supplying prostitutes to businessmen, not unlike the plot of several Rock Hudson movies I recall.
DSK KNEW those men. DSK attended parties thrown by those men.
Therefore....? Because that, my darlings, is all the available information I got from that article. You?
Prometheus Bound
(3,489 posts)No one deserves it more.