Cruz will renounce Canadian citizenship

[Tx4obama]

Last edited Tue Aug 20, 2013, 02:31 AM - Edit history (1)

Source: Washington Post

Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Texas) announced Monday evening that he will renounce his Canadian citizenship, less than 24 hours after a newspaper pointed out that the Canadian-born senator likely maintains dual citizenship.

“Now the Dallas Morning News says that I may technically have dual citizenship,” Cruz said in a statement. “Assuming that is true, then sure, I will renounce any Canadian citizenship. Nothing against Canada, but I’m an American by birth and as a U.S. senator; I believe I should be only an American.”

-snip-

Legal experts say that Cruz is a Canadian citizen regardless of whether he asked for it or not.

Read more: http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-politics/wp/2013/08/19/cruz-will-renounce-canadian-citizenship/

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So, release a copy of the Canadian birth certificate so we can see it
He was BORN in Canada so he will NOT have an American one.
I don't think he is going to get away with bamboozling everyone!

[NoPasaran]

1. Lucky Canada!

[Garion_55]

2. delusional.

thats it all i have to say lol

[Coyotl]

21. This is like renouncing your birth certificate!

I wasn't born!

[Tx4obama]

3. A link below to a copy of a certificate that says he was BORN in Calgary Canada

Copy of Canadian birth certificate, here: http://www.dallasnews.com/news/politics/headlines/20130818-born-in-canada-ted-cruz-became-a-citizen-of-that-country-as-well-as-u.s..ece

Sen. Ted Cruz's birth certificate shows he was born in Canada in 1970

And his name is: Rafael Edward Cruz

[GreatCaesarsGhost]

18. Rafael

[Cali_Democrat]

94. Rafael?

Didn't sound American enough so he went with Ted?

[A Simple Game]

105. I won't believe it until he shows me the original long form birth certificate.

None of this certificate of live birth BS. Don't even try to tell me about the newspaper notices, anyone can fake them.

And besides that, congratulations on your loss Canada, it must feel like a heavy weight lifted off of you. Wish you could find someone else to take him though.

[kelliekat44]

117. Constitution and the Presidency

“No Person except a natural born Citizen or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the age of thirty-five years, and been fourteen years a resident within the United States.”

Although the Constitution does not go on to define a “natural born Citizen,” the term is understood to mean a person born in the United States or born abroad to parents who are both American citizens. In Obama’s case, his father was not an American citizen. If he had been born abroad he would have been ineligible for the presidency.

[Historic NY]

4. Where's the long form TED?

So actually he still is Canadian.

Even Ron Paul doesn't like that.


http://www.dailypaul.com/78153/re-list-of-dual-citizenship-of-so-called-leaders

[Tx4obama]

5. A link to a copy of the Canadian birth certificate in Comment #3

[Thinkingabout]

26. Where is the announcement in the paper? It could be the woman listed as his mother is not his

Mother, where is the proof?

[7962]

103. You know, that was the biggest thing for me when the "questions" came up

about Obama. That ad in the old paper announcing his birth in Hawaii. Thats all I needed to see. Now, some goofs say "grandparents put ads in the paper all the time". I've NEVER known anyone to do that if the baby was born somewhere else.

[Thinkingabout]

115. Perhaps your maturity has prevented you from seeing birth announcements, it was the norm

in my area and the announcements was normally collected from the hospitals where the baby was born along with the parents name and the baby's name, the date and if joining other siblings those was announced. My post was to make fun of the birthers and some of their dumb remarks.

[7962]

118. Oh, I got your point! So youre saying that it was fairly normal in your area for a birth

announcement to be made in the hometown of the grandparents? I.E., the baby was born in Dallas but the grandparents would put an announcement in their local paper in Memphis? I've never seen that. But it seems as though if they DID do that, they would also mention that the baby was born in Dallas.

One thing I dont think the birthers understand: if the story WAS true, then the conspiracy from BIRTH had to be so orchestrated and SO controlled by whoever, that if it were true this country would already be over!!

[Thinkingabout]

120. You missed, the information was gathered at the hospitals where the child was born, it had the

parents name and baby's name just like the birth announcement of Obama, if the grandparents wanted to make an announcement in a different city it was also done but the birth announcement was very normal. Obama's parents lived in Hawaii so the announcement was in the local paper. If the birther conspiracy was to be believed Obama's mother made the announcement knowing Obama was going to run for president years later, don't think so.

[Jenoch]

6. This whole topic is just plain stupid.

As far as U.S. laws are concerned, either someone is a U.S. citizen or they are not. It does not matter whether they have citizenship in another country or not. He was born in Canada, to a U.S. born mother, he's a U.S. citizen, just like President Obama. These kinds of stories tire me.

[Tx4obama]

9. There is a difference between being just a 'citizen' and a 'natural born citizen'

Why do you think the birthers have filed over 200 lawsuits against Obama?

He was BORN in Canada on Canada soil - he is Canadian.

The Cruz issue will not go away quietly.

[Jenoch]

22. According to U.S. law,

if one of the parents of a child is a U.S. citizen, then the child is a 'natural born' U.S. citizen.

[DissidentVoice]

28. Actually, no...

A child is a "natural born" U.S. citizen IF:

They were born in one of the 50 states, Puerto Rico, Guam or any other U.S. Territory
They were born on a U.S. military base overseas
They were born in a U.S. diplomatic facility
They were born aboard a U.S. military vessel (USN, USCG, USMM)

My niece was born in a U.S. Army hospital in Augsburg, (West) Germany. My sister was married to a sergeant in the U.S. Army (who drove one of the vehicles in President Kennedy's funeral cortege). She is a "natural-born" citizen.

Living in a border city, I've lost count of the people who have dual U.S./Canadian citizenship, due to intermarriage between a U.S. and Canadian citizen.

If they were born in the U.S., they are "natural-born," by virtue of jus soli.

If they were born in Canada, they are not "natural-born," but can claim U.S. citizenship by virtue of jus sanguinis.

[jberryhill]

34. Please identify the statute you are citing

There are not three species of citizens in the US. There are only two species of citizen.

[blackspade]

60. His parents had to fill out a CRBA

If it was valid the USSD would have issued an FS-240.
If that wasn't done he may just be a Canadian citizen.

TYT did a great job breaking it down:

[jberryhill]

61. That's not a naturalization process

That's like saying I "immigrate" every time I have to fill out a customs form on re-entry to the US.

No, one does not "become" a citizen via a certificate of registered birth abroad. That process is confirmation of one's *existing* underlying status.

[blackspade]

63. Is that your opinion, or can you cite the relevant statute?

Just curious.
I find it delicious irony that the birther candidate has potential citizenship issues!

[jberryhill]

70. Yes, I can - 8 USC § 1401

8 USC § 1401 is conveniently headed "Nationals and citizens of United States at birth" for the particularly dense, in fact.


The relevant paragraph is (g):

The following shall be nationals and citizens of the United States at birth:

...

(g) a person born outside the geographical limits of the United States and its outlying possessions of parents one of whom is an alien, and the other a citizen of the United States who, prior to the birth of such person, was physically present in the United States or its outlying possessions for a period or periods totaling not less than five years, at least two of which were after attaining the age of fourteen years:

-------------

Regardless of the administrative practice for satisfying the statute, such a person is a citizen "AT BIRTH". That status is inherent, and the administrative process of obtaining a CRBA etc., is simply the administrative process. If one satisfies the conditions of the statute, then one is born a US citizen, and is not a naturalized citizen. Notice that the statute says "at birth" and not "when a CRBA is obtained."

There is no third category of citizenship, as further indicated by the text of the 14th Amendment. You are born one, or you become one. That's it.

If you have a contrary citation, please amuse.

[blackspade]

78. Cool, thanks!

There was no need to be insulting.
You seemed to know more about it than I did, so I asked.

[jberryhill]

79. Sorry, I thought you were being snarky

[blackspade]

82. No problem.

I was genuinely curious.
Like I said, I find this all amusingly ironic given Cruz's rhetoric.
Frankly, there are far more critical and important reasons why he is unfit for the Presidency.

[24601]

107. He's right, our daughter was born in England in 1995. In addition to her British Birth

Certificates (Short and Long), she has a US State Department Consular Report of the Birth a United States Citizen Abroad, the CRBA mentioned earlier in the thread. She wasn't born on a base or anything like that, just in out local British hospital. The Constitutional qualifier for presidential office is to be a US citizen at birth, not to be a US citizen only at birth.

[Humanist_Activist]

45. jus sanguinis citizens are natural-born, for purposes of qualifying to run for U.S. President...

as far as I'm aware of. There are two levels of citizenship and one of nationality in the United States, Natural Born citizens, both jus soli and jus sanguinis, Naturalized citizens, who usually take an oath, though sometimes they are naturalized as children(adopted/immigrated), and then there are U.S. Nationals, who are, but aren't, citizens, depending on where their home address is.

By the way, due to the way the U.S. handles dual-citizenship by completely ignoring it exists, you could have a dual citizen as President, quite easily.

[jberryhill]

71. Nonsense - 8 USC § 1401(g)

[sdfernando]

96. I believe DissidentVoice is correct....

I was born in the U.S. Army hospital in Munich, Germany..but the hospital was not located on a military base. I have Naturalization papers, meaning I am not a "natural born" citizen.

[DissidentVoice]

104. Did you also have a German birth certificate? NT

[Jenoch]

116. When were you born?

If you were born in the last 40 or so years and had at least one parent who was a U.S. citizen at the time of your birth you would be a 'natual born' citizen and would not need naturalization papers.

[sdfernando]

125. I was born in 1961 /nt

[Jenoch]

126. I think the

citizenship laws were changed sometme later in the 60s, but I don't have a link.

[sdfernando]

129. BTW both my parents are natural born US citizens /NT

[Nay]

24. It's slightly more complicated than that. See my long post below. NT

[awoke_in_2003]

119. agreed...

no need for him to renounce the Canadian citizenship, although it will make the sheep happy.

[treestar]

132. the mother has to have resided in the US for a certain period of time though

so it's not just that.

Documentation should be demanded! The Rs deserve that.

[Politicalboi]

7. LOL!

"Senator Cruz became a U.S. citizen at birth, and he never had to go through a naturalization process after birth to become a U.S. citizen,” said spokeswoman Catherine Frazier. “To our knowledge, he never had Canadian citizenship.”

He didn't tell them? Did he think he could hide this after Obama? Cruz is dumber than I thought. Now let's everyone imagine Obama was born in Canada under the same scenario. How do we think the GOPers would feel.

Perhaps Cruz needs to take the test to see if he's "really" an American. He could be Al Quada in disguise. Because we know if the Mexicans can be terrorist, so can Canadians. Just ask Congressman King, he'll tell ya. I hear Cruz has calves the size of cantaloupes.

[Cryptoad]

8. Too bad

he doesn't renounce teh other half of his Dual Citizenship!

[Adam-Bomb]

10. Ummm...

He was born in Canada to an American mother and a Cuban father.

His mother's citizenship makes HIM an American citizen, regardless of
his place of birth. By law, he IS a "natural born citizen," as long as his mom
was at least 18 years old when Cruz was born.

Cruz has dual citizenship, which he can keep or renounce.

Check the 1970 laws regarding citizenship.

Don't be going all "birther" on me, DU; let the Republicans hold that title.

[Tx4obama]

11. I guess you missed the news when the same issue came up regarding John McCain

In McCain's case it was decided he was a 'natural born citizen' because he was born on a U.S. military base (Coco Solo Naval Air Station, Panama Canal Zone) - considered to be US soil.

In Cruz's case he was born on Canadian soil.

If Cruz decides to run then I see this going all the way to the U.S. Supreme Court.

[jberryhill]

35. No, there was no "decision" to that effect

Foreigners born on US military bases are not US citizens.

And, yes, foreigners are born on US military bases all of the time, as many of them are employed there and are entitled to use the health services there.

You are posting nonsense.

[Tx4obama]

39. Let me be more clear...

When the issue of McCain not being born within the USA came up it was said that since both of McCains parents were US citizens and that he was born on what was considered to be US soil then he is considered to be a ''natural born citizen''
as opposed to someone with an American parent and born in a foreign country not on US soil.

[jberryhill]

41. "it was said"

...by the Official Sayers of It, I presume.

It's really simple.

Natural Born Citizen Quiz:

Did you immigrate to the US and become a citizen by applying to be one, or were you one from birth?

(A) yes

(B) no

If you picked (B), then congratulations, you can be president.

The actual statute addressing births abroad has been amended at various points in time, but those details are irrelevant to the fact that John McCain is not an immigrant.

[Tx4obama]

43. I'll have to disagree with you on this one

The issue isn't what is a ''U.S. citizen'' - the issue is what is a ''natural born U.S. citizen'' by legal definition and the Supreme Court hasn't ruled yet as far as I know.

If Cruz decides to run then I think a lawsuit will be filed and it will go all the way up the U.S. Supreme Court.

[jberryhill]

66. That doesn't render the outcome to be some great mystery

Because any Supreme Court decision is going to be based on long-established precedent, including such items as the Naturalization Act of 1790 - the very first one:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naturalization_Act_of_1790

"the children of citizens of the United States that may be born beyond Sea, or out of the limits of the United States, shall be considered as natural born Citizens".

That is, of course, not the current text of the naturalization statute, but it provides relevant historical context of the phrase in question.

[Iggo]

85. The Official Sayers Of it.

That's about the funniest thing I'm going to hear all day, I reckon.

Thanks,

Iggo.

[jberryhill]

86. They are appointed by the They Institute

The They Institute is the agency which publishes all of the things that "they say".

It is run by "some people".

[doc03]

30. I thought you had to be born in the US or in a US territory

or military installation. How is it he can be born in Canada? But in Obama's case the Republicans claim he was born in Kenya and can't be President even though he had an American mother? I have always got the impression from the new media that if he was really born in Kenya he couldn't be president but the media is giving Cruz a pass on that.

[PatrynXX]

33. has nothing to do with being a Birther

it's about destroying their cred. a true Birther would disavo (sp) John McCain (they have) Mitt Romney (they have ) and Ted Cruz. Donald Trump has. Only one here is pure American. Obama. Born on US Soil.

DU isn't going birtherism anywhere. We are just following their arguments. Their arguments are he must be born on US Soil (or she) Obama was born on US Soil. If they had sued any of the other three there would be court delays because they might agree. Obama there is no question.

[Alameda]

48. Not so sure of that

I once worked with a woman from Iceland who had a USA citizen father and an Icelandic mother. She was going through legal problems regarding her immigration status. I told her if her father was American, she was too. Evidently, her lawyer and the INS didn't agree. I'm not sure how it worked out.

[OnlinePoker]

62. As a Canadian, here's how I see it.

There were cases a couple of years ago where the IRS was going after Canadians where both parents were Canadian but they happened to be in the States on vacation when their children were born. The U.S. government thinks of these children as U.S. citizens, even though they were raised and lived their entire lives in Canada. The IRS was demanding back taxes from them with interest. If Cruz was born in Canada...he's (sadly) Canadian. I have no issue that he can renounce his citizenship, but he is not a natural born American.

[cabot]

12. Let me see if I get this straight

Ted Cruz was born to an American mother/Cuban father in Alberta.

Obama was born in Hawaii to an American mother/Kenyan father.

Obama's not a true citizen but Ted Cruz is because his mother was an American. I have to ask - WTF?

If the reich-wing is saying Ted Cruz is an American citizen, despite the fact he was born in Canada, because his mother was American then what the hell is the difference with Obama - even if he was born in Kenya (which he wasn't but that's neither here nor there).

What's the difference? Hmmmm...what could it be? I wonder. Cough *black* cough. Idiots.

Edited to add: Obama's more American than Ted Cruz because he was actually born on American soil. Let this be a lesson to you Americans - nothing good comes from Alberta. Nothing. Ever.

[alcina]

16. "Nothing good comes from Alberta. Nothing. Ever."

Oh my! I don't post here much, but I had to tell you, that made my day. Brilliant observation!

[SammyWinstonJack]

68. That IS exactly the difference. cough *black* cough. Won´t get the idiots to admit that though.

EVER.

[rationalcalgarian]

91. Except me!

[Tx4obama]

13. Obama was born in Hawaii - but that didn't stop the birthers from filing OVER 200 lawsuits

Birther Lawsuits Scorecard

Original Decision
Total Actions: 207
Birthers win: 0
Birthers lose:201
Pending: 6

Appeal(s)
Total Appellate Court Rulings: >90+
Birthers win: 0
Birthers lose: >90+

Supreme Court
Total Supreme Court Rulings: 25+
Birthers win: 0
Birthers lose: 25+

List of all Obama birther lawsuits here: http://tesibria.typepad.com/whats_your_evidence/BIRTHER%20CASE%20LIST.pdf

[SummerSnow]

14. Why is Orly Taitz quiet on this one?

[freshwest]

20. Maybe Oily Taint helped him illegally enter the USA...

[Jamaal510]

83. IOKIYAR

[Cali_Democrat]

95. No

IOKIYW

It's OK If You're White

[Historic NY]

15. Maybe we can pursuade him to renounce US citizenship.

[Left Coast2020]

42. Maybe we can persuade him to move back to Canada.

[rpannier]

46. Canada has set up border guards to keep him from getting back in

At least that's what I'd do if I was the PM

[Mz Pip]

17. And Canada does a happy dance.

I don't care where he was born, I just don't want him involved in US policy making. Please Texas, do the right thing and vote this creep out.

[AnneD]

99. I distinctly remember....

warning DU about Cruz and apologizing in advance for his crazyness. In his defense, I think he is far more entertaining and less harmful than the guy whose place he took, Tom DeLay.

We don't think much of politicians here, and it shows.

[Coyotl]

19. Canadian Cuban-American Ted Cruz will always be that Canadian-born quitter. Pull a Palin, quit!

[Nay]

23. Here are some Canadian/US rules that would apply to Cruz:

From the USA immigration site:

He is automatically a US citizen if:
One parent is a U.S. citizen at the time of birth and the birthdate is before November 14, 1986 but after October 10, 1952.


And if these conditions are met:
The parents are married at the time of birth and the U.S. citizen parent was physically present in the U.S. or its territories for a period of at least ten years at some time in his or her life prior to the birth, at least five of which were after his or her 14th birthday.

If the U.S. citizen parent spent time abroad in any of the following three capacities, this can also be counted towards the physical presence requirement:

Serving honorably in the U.S. Armed Forces;
Employed with the U.S. Government; or
Employed with certain international organizations.

Additionally, time spent abroad by the U.S. citizen parent while the U.S. citizen parent was the unmarried son or daughter and a member of the household of a person who meets any of the three conditions listed above can also be counted.

If the child was born out of wedlock, see N-600: FAQ.


His US parent would have to have been married at the time of birth, and would have had to have lived in the US for a total of 10 years before the birth, 5 of which must have been after the parent was 14 years old. So, the question is whether his US parent was a resident of the US for the 10-yr requirement, and whether his parents were married at the time of birth.

And yes, he is a Canadian citizen because he has a Canadian birth certificate.

From the US Dept of State website:

A child born abroad to a U.S. citizen parent or parents may acquire U.S. citizenship at birth if certain statutory requirements are met. The child’s parents should contact the nearest U.S. embassy or consulate to apply for a Consular Report of Birth Abroad of a Citizen of the United States of America (CRBA) to document that the child is a U.S. citizen. If the U.S. embassy or consulate determines that the child acquired U.S. citizenship at birth, a consular officer will approve the CRBA application and the Department of State will issue a CRBA, also called a Form FS-240, in the child’s name.

According to U.S. law, a CRBA is proof of U.S. citizenship and may be used to obtain a U.S. passport and register for school, among other purposes.

The child’s parents may choose to apply for a U.S. passport for the child at the same time that they apply for a CRBA. Parents may also choose to apply only for a U.S. passport for the child. Like a CRBA, a full validity, unexpired U.S. passport is proof of U.S. citizenship.

Parents of a child born abroad to a U.S. citizen or citizens should apply for a CRBA and/or a U.S. passport for the child as soon as possible. Failure to promptly document a child who meets the statutory requirements for acquiring U.S. citizenship at birth may cause problems for the parents and the child when attempting to establish the child’s U.S. citizenship and eligibility for the rights and benefits of U.S. citizenship, including entry into the United States. By law, U.S. citizens, including dual nationals, must use a U.S. passport to enter and leave the United States.

[Jenoch]

40. I don't have a link,

but I understand the law that would have made President Obama not a U.S. ciyizent at birth had he been born in Kenya (your explanation) had been changed by 1970.

[davidpdx]

25. We could ask Canada to take him back

but I'm sure they don't want him either.

[rpannier]

47. What and set off an international incident

Canada might figure that's a provocation. I know I would

[davidpdx]

49. True, but we did take Celine Dion off their hands

[OnlinePoker]

84. And Justin Bieber.

[SoLeftIAmRight]

27. YELL IT EVERYWHERE!!!

I have heard people talking about Ted Cruz getting his health care in Canada. I have heard that he loves the socialized system up there.

[DissidentVoice]

29. He is also a citizen of the Commonwealth

Canada is an independent Dominion within the British Commonwealth of Nations, a Commonwealth Realm under the Crown of Elizabeth II, Queen of Canada, Head of the Commonwealth.

That makes Ted Cruz a citizen of the Commonwealth and a subject of a foreign monarch.

[SunSeeker]

37. LOL. Good point. What will those tri-corner hat tea baggers do about that tory traitor? nt

[PatrynXX]

31. a natural born American only

Which Ted never will be. Nicole Kidman is American. Born in Hawaii. Whether she likes it or not. She's usually in Australia.

He can renounce it yes but he's still born in Canada. and since the Birthers have made this crystal clear .... even if Obama were to do the same if he were from Kenya which he isn't he would never be able to run for President. Can't have it both ways. John McCain was lucky. he wasn't born on US land. He was born on a US Base. Technically part of the USA. But let Ted in. There will be no more birthers. hahahahaha.

[itsrobert]

32. Now Obama needs to renounce his Kenyan citizenship

or is it a British subject?

[SunSeeker]

36. Oh the irony. The birthers' candidate was shamed into renouncing his foreign citizenship.

This is my favorite news story of the day.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

50. The birthers are taking the line that Obama has made the exception the rule.

"If Obama can do it, Cruz can do it."

Hypocrites.

[thecrow]

130. Oh the irony.

Karma in action.

[JohnnyRingo]

38. That'll teach those socialists!

They don't know how close they came to being Ted Cruz's political "plan B".

[ConcernedCanuk]

44. Well that's good news for Canada!

.
.
.

He will no longer have access to our free health care system,

save us all some bucks when he gets older and regrets his decision.

"nothing against Canada" he states - geeze

just another political slut.

anything for a vote.



CC

[Bernardo de La Paz]

51. Cruz was born in the Jesusland Confederacy and can be Prez of that.

Cruz was born in Alberta.

[Snake Plissken]

52. Maybe the baggers are right after all

Terrorists are crossing the border from Canada

[TexasProgresive]

53. Here's Cruz' Passport photo

Thanks to JuanitaJean.com and to whoever created this graphic.

[AnneD]

100. I read...

JuanitaJean every day. The most Dangerous Beauty Salon in the world.

[bucolic_frolic]

54. Yup Citizen Cruz is going to run for President in 2016

His ego is going to be a real problem for all the candidates.

Including himself.

Citizen Cruz from Canada

[Beacool]

69. I think that you're right.

The guy is an arrogant jerk. In just a few months he has managed to antagonize his fellow Senators. Who says there's no bipartisanhip in Congress? That's one area where most of them agree: they can't stand him.

[kentauros]

55. I question the legitimacy of him being born on this planet!

I want to see the DNA tests! I doubt he's a Native Terran

[Bernardo de La Paz]

56. Entertaining choice quotes from some Birthers and RWingnuts

"Any move by Cruz to bend to democrat accusations is a sign of weakness."

"Other than being the son of Frank Marshall Davis, Soetoro’s only chance of being an American citizen at birth was being born in the U.S. Since Soetoro’s “birth certificate” is a rank forgery, his “birth” in “Hawaii” is not established."

"Ted, you are as stupid as Bachman, who renounced Swiss citizenship."

" “Are you an expert on the laws of Cuban citizenship?” Yes. Cruz is Cuban by birth because his father is Cuban."

"2020! Jesus will be king by then...for sure."

"He just better make Sarah Palin SECDEF and then I can be at peace."

"Cruz is a no good Commie."

"One thing bothers me about Cruz, One thing only. He is a Harvard Lawyer."

"With his great background in the law Id like Ted Cruz to end up on the Supreme Court."

“So why did Ted’’s father wait 30 years to become a US citizen if he “loves America” Why 2005 ???”

"Based on the current political trend of those in power, there will be no elections in America in 2020, let alone in 2016."

"A natural born citizen has no foreign citizenship to renounce."

"Hopefully, Soetero will be in the prison yard by the time Cruz is sworn in as President."

[SammyWinstonJack]

72. Who is ¨Soetero¨?

[jberryhill]

74. I speak Birfer!

In the native language of Birfistan, a fascinating country in which almost nobody is a natural born citizen, "Soetoro" is the "adopted" name of Barack Davis after he was adopted in Indonesia.

And, I suppose next you are going to ask me who is "Barack Davis". Well....

[Bernardo de La Paz]

77. Obama's mother married Mr. Soetero and they lived in Indonesia while Obama was a child

For a while he was registered at school and such as Barry Soetero.

[jberryhill]

80. What I love about the St. Francis "enrollment" page

...is that it says he was born in Hawaii.

The birthers always overlook that part.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

81. Nice catch! . nt

[Javaman]

57. the tea bagger morons are twisting themselves into new shapes to explain this.

it's been amusing.

[sinkingfeeling]

58. I think he's a 'natural born' Cuban! His father fought for Castro.

[blackspade]

59. He very well could be an American citizen if the proper paperwork was filled out.

Otherwise, sad day for him. He may have to give up his senate seat if he isn't a citizen.

[KansDem]

64. So Cruz is an anti-immigrant immigrant?

Ted Cruz on the issue of immigration:

•No path to citizenship for 1.65 million illegals in Texas. (Oct 2012)
•Give police more power to ask about immigration status. (Jun 2012)
•Boots on the ground, plus a wall. (Apr 2012)
•Triple the size of the Border Patrol. (Mar 2012)
•Strengthen border security and increase enforcement. (Jul 2011)

http://www.ontheissues.org/senate/Ted_Cruz.htm

So he's another "Let me in then build The Wall" immigrant?

[jberryhill]

73. He is not an immigrant

He was a US citizen at birth.

[KansDem]

75. So was Obama!

Both mothers were US citizens.

But Cruz rode the "Obama is Kenyan" horseshit to national stature. Not once do I recollect Cruz correcting TeaBaggers by informing them that Obama was indeed a US citizen.

Oh, and Obama was born in Hawaii, our 49th state. Hell, I was born in Hawaii before it was our 49th state! Does that make me less a US citizen than Obama?

My birth certificate sates "Territory of Hawaii." I can hardly wait to present it to some fucking TeaPublican for "official purposes," only to have him/her reject it because it verifies that I'm not a US citizen.

I didn't write TeaBagger "logic" and I'm not about to live by it. But I will make them live by it! I will keep reminding them what fucking morons they are, especially now that King Kruz has been shown to be the hypocrite they all are.

Fuck these people! They made their bed of glowing coals to walk on with such idiotic beliefs! Now, let the burn their faces in it!

[jberryhill]

76. It came up with Goldwater too

....who was born in Arizona Territory.

"Now, let the burn their faces in it!"

That's just dumb. "They were stupid, so let's be stupid too" is not a good rule to live by.

I mean, think about what you are saying there.

[KansDem]

87. How is this "dumb?"

They created this mess! And I'm not about to cut them any slack.

You can't play nice with stupid...

[jberryhill]

88. Playing stupid with stupid is not a good idea either

[KansDem]

89. Again, how is this "dumb" or "stupid?"

They are hypocrites. And they are stupid hypocrites.

Cruz, a Tea Party favorite still in his first year in the Senate, said Monday night he will renounce his Canadian citizenship, following a Dallas Morning News report that the Texas senator holds dual U.S. and Canadian citizenship.

Cruz has been making speeches to the GOP faithful in key states such as Iowa and New Hampshire, appearances that have helped land him on early lists of potential 2016 presidential candidates. Cruz released his birth certificate to the Dallas newspaper amid concerns about his eligibility to be president.

The document showed Cruz was born in 1970 in Calgary, Canada. His mother, Eleanor, was born in Delaware and was a U.S. citizen and his father, Rafael, was born in Cuba. Cruz had said in interviews prior to his Senate election that he is a U.S. citizen because his mother was born in the USA.

"Because I was a U.S. citizen at birth, because I left Calgary when I was 4 and have lived my entire life since then in the U.S., and because I have never taken affirmative steps to claim Canadian citizenship, I assumed that was the end of the matter," Cruz said in a statement released Monday.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2013/08/20/ted-cruz-canadian-citizenship/2675419/

He "assumed" that was the end of the matter.

I work with a TeaBagger. She is constantly going off about Obama's a Kenyan. Now, with this news, I will call her out on her hypocrisy.

[jberryhill]

92. Then I suggest you inform yourself before calling your friend a hypocrite

Now, first - Barack Obama was born in Hawaii and is a natural born citizen of the United States.

That would not be the case if he had been born in Kenya, due to a minor but significant distinction.

IF (a totally fictional and hypothetical if) Barack Obama had been born in Kenya, the circumstances are not the same.

The relevant law (which I have cited upthread) was not the same in 1961. What the law has always included is a US residency requirement of a certain number of years by one of the parents, to cut off the problem that would arise of successive generations of US citizens. In 1961, the law required that the US citizen parent have resided in the US for four years past the age of 16 in order for a birth abroad to count. That condition would not have been true for 18 year old Ann Dunham, had she been residing in Kenya.

Of course, she was not in Kenya. She was in Hawaii.

But the upshot is that if your friend believes Barack Obama was born in Kenya, then the question devolves to whether Ann Dunham satisfied the then-current US residency length requirement.

Notice the current law, 8 USC 1401(g):

(g) a person born outside the geographical limits of the United States and its outlying possessions of parents one of whom is an alien, and the other a citizen of the United States who, prior to the birth of such person, was physically present in the United States or its outlying possessions for a period or periods totaling not less than five years, at least two of which were after attaining the age of fourteen years:

The "at least two" was cut down from five the last time that section was revised - post 1961.

Prior to that amendment, you could send your pregnant teenage daughter to France for a "semester abroad", and she would not be bringing back any inconvenient companion.

[KansDem]

97. The voice of reason for Teabaggers...

Look, I didn't come up with the "show us the birth certificate" horseshit. That was the TeaBaggers and the politicians who enabled them. This whole sordid chapter in our country's history could have been avoided if reason and logic had trumped stupid-ass horseshit.

So, now we have Cruz, who benefited from Tea Bagger hysteria, in the same situation as Obama. And the Tea Baggers want "reason and logic?"


But the upshot is that if your friend believes Barack Obama was born in Kenya, then the question devolves to whether Ann Dunham satisfied the then-current US residency length requirement. There is no "if/then" question about this. There is no reason for discussion. The "upshot" is my co-worker is an ignorant Tea Bagger...

[jberryhill]

98. "The "upshot" is my co-worker is an ignorant Tea Bagger..."

Correct, and you aren't going to fix that.

[kelliekat44]

122. No, it is NOT the same situation as Obama. Obama was born in the US of a citizen mother.

Cruz was born in Canada of a US citizen mom who lived in Canada and Cuban father. Cruz was not born in the US.

[KansDem]

127. You are correct...

No, it is NOT the same situation as Obama...

And framing the argument like it was the same only leads to more ignorance.

[NorthCarolina]

65. I, for one, would like to see his Long Form US Birth Certificate. nt

[JCMach1]

67. Not a natural born citizen... should actually be disqualified for Prez

(unlike the fake shite thrown at Obama).

[SwissTony]

90. What does renouncing his Canadian citizenship actually achieve?

Does he somehow become "more" American or a "better" American by doing so?

I'm happy with my dual nationalities. Don't want to give either up.

[mwooldri]

108. in his case, validating his loyalty to the USA.

As a Canadian Cuban American (his dad's a Cuban) who is he really loyal to? Fidel Castro? HM Queen Elizabeth II? The flag of the United States of America? If Mr. Cruz enters Cuba, he is considered to be Cuban.

I wonder what more he has to renounce to be considered a "true" American?

As far as dual citizenship for the rest of us? It shouldn't be an issue except when outside either country. It is possible as a citizen of a different country will allow visa free entry but not to Americans. In which case, leave on the US passport to the other place, present other country passport for entry. I'm happy with my citizenship to the UK and maybe some point naturalize to American.

[SwissTony]

109. I'm an Australian born in Scotland and live in Holland.

When I fly to Australia, I leave Europe on my British passport (avoids Euro visa problems) and fly into Australia on my Australian passport (required under Australian law).

Australian law states that if you APPLY for a foreign nationality, you have to surrender your Australian nationality. Next year, Scotland will vote on whether to become independent from the rest of the UK. If they do (and when Scotland becomes independent is another question), I would want to get a Scottish passport. I don't know what the procedure will be if and when this all happens.

Ah well, it's all in the future for now.

[KamaAina]

111. Wouldn't you simply trade your British passport for a Scottish one?

How did that work vis-a-vis, say, the Soviet Union and Russia?

[SwissTony]

114. That would be the rational approach.

I don't even know what the "rest of Britain" passport would be called.

I don't know how such decisions were made when the USSR was breaking up. The trouble is each country makes its own rules and the rules change over time. When I first moved to Holland, had I wished to assume the Dutch nationality, the Dutch government would have required me to give up my Australian nationality. No way I was going to do that, particularly since being British removed most practical problems.

When I looked into it again some years later, I found the situation had been reversed. Now it was the Ozzies demanding one nationality while the Dutch were fine with dual nationality.

Go figure.

[mwooldri]

124. Yup, splitting up the UK will be a mess.

Fortunately not a bad mess, because of EU membership and precedent (Ireland). The Irish afaik have always had right to live and work in the UK. I will assume the same thing will happen in the case of a UK split that those rights will be in place. If/when Scotland splits, I believe there will be a Northern Ireland problem: Unionists would have to make a choice: English/Welsh, Scottish, or Irish. There won't be the option of British citizenship.

If/when Scotland splits, I hope they remain in the EU. This being the case, swapping out a British passport for a Scottish one wouldn't be a problem.

[Posteritatis]

110. Scoring points with his base, pretty much.

Anyone who's upset at dual citizenship in the first place is a xenophobe, so loudly renouncing the second citizenship's a great way to lock down their vote.

[Cali_Democrat]

93. hahahaha

[Snake Plissken]

101. So what Cruz is saying is he is a Cuban by birth, who happened to be born in Canada

Since his father was born in Cuba

[riverbendviewgal]

102. By Cruz..Canada does not give a hoot.

more and more Americans renouncing citizenship. The USA and Entria are the only citizenship based tax countries in the world. The rest of the world is resident based tax system
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887323977304579002780562003814.html


also BTW I don't think Canadians care if cruz renounces his Canadian citizenship...We would not miss Joe McCarthy II

Stay in America, Cruz...

[KamaAina]

106. Looks like he's still a hoser for at least eight more months

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023498625

longer if the RCMP deems him a threat to Canada's national security.

Beauty, eh?

[gejohnston]

112. Not exactly

So, release a copy of the Canadian birth certificate so we can see it
He was BORN in Canada so he will NOT have an American one.
I don't think he is going to get away with bamboozling everyone!

He of course has a Canadian birth certificate, but also likely has a US one issued by the State Dept as "Natural Citizen born abroad" if he was registered with the US before he turned five. The same issue came up with Mitt's dad.
That makes him natural born US and Canadian. My niece has a similar US birth certificate, as well as a Japanese one, since she was born there. The difference is, Japan does not have birth right citizenship.

[gopiscrap]

121. What happened? Did Canada renounce him first?

[juxtaposed]

123. Is Ted Cruz a Terror Baby?

Now this may have been already covered. Ted Cruz was born in Canada to an America Mother and a Cuban Father that makes him Canadian by place of birth, American by his mother, Cuban by his father. Canadians and Cubans are free to travel between counties, no travel restrictions that I know of.
The question I'm asking, is Ted Cruz a Castro Communist or did his father escape the oppression of Fidel on a raft and ended washing up in Newfoundland.
Even more frightening could this be Cuba's diabolical plan coming to full fruition as in the movie,"The Omen" the only problem the Cubans had was Cruz's father missed landing in the US, makes sense right, Cruz looks a lot like Damien. Rep. Louie Gohmert has talked about "Terror Babies" many times, could Gohmert be working with the Cubans throwing up smoke screens for Cruz. Gohmert says the Terror Babies will come from the southern border of his home state, never mentioning that they could come from the north.

We need to get "The Donald and Jumpin Joe Arpaio" on this.

[riverbendviewgal]

128. A little article from THE HILL on Cruz

Senator Cruz, Canada respects your decision to renounce your Canadian citizenship. When it is granted, I assure you Canada will not stalk you for information about your private finances and will not demand taxes or penalties from you.

Senator Cruz, will you and your Congressional colleagues do the same to protect Canadians and others around the world from outrageous demands of IRS and US Treasury?


http://thehill.com/blogs/congress-blog/foreign-policy/318061-nothing-against-the-united-states-until-now-

[treestar]

131. I wouldn't think he has to

to be President. While the President has to be a natural born citizen, it doesn't say he cannot be a citizen of any other country.