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TexasTowelie

(112,056 posts)
Fri Aug 23, 2013, 12:59 AM Aug 2013

AP source: DHS employee behind racist website

Source: AP

WASHINGTON (AP) — A Homeland Security employee is the operator of a racist website predicting and advocating a race war, a department official said Thursday.

Ayo Kimathi, who is an acquisitions officer for Immigration and Customs Enforcement, operates the site, War on the Horizon, which includes descriptions of an "unavoidable, inevitable clash with the white race." Kimathi is black.

The DHS official spoke on the condition of anonymity because the official was not authorized to discuss the case publicly.

While many of the postings on Kimathi's site are inflammatory, it was not immediately clear whether they cross the legal threshold into unprotected hate speech, and the posts may not violate DHS policies if he does not curate the website at work or espouse the ideologies in the office.

Read more: http://www.chron.com/news/politics/article/AP-source-DHS-employee-behind-racist-website-4753877.php?cmpid=hpbn

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AP source: DHS employee behind racist website (Original Post) TexasTowelie Aug 2013 OP
Wow, the stuff that site advocates. joshcryer Aug 2013 #1
What a wacko! Don't they do background checks anymore? Pterodactyl Aug 2013 #2
I'm thinking... dawn frenzy adams Aug 2013 #3
This is low level employee and not a LEO officer or agent. grantcart Aug 2013 #32
I don't think he's a low level employee penultimate Aug 2013 #40
No that is a supervisory position, which is quite a bit different from grantcart Aug 2013 #41
Additional article on the link below Tx4obama Aug 2013 #4
thanks for the link Supersedeas Aug 2013 #38
Probably wouldn't know about this without NSA "spying." nt kelliekat44 Aug 2013 #5
The article shows that the Southern Poverty Law Center did the first reporting on this, not the NSA. xocet Aug 2013 #15
wow I am sittting thinking... FreedRadical Aug 2013 #6
I'm curious how DHS will handle the matter. branford Aug 2013 #7
they'll probably promote the guy. Javaman Aug 2013 #18
A long time ago I asked a friend of mine, a retired... TreasonousBastard Aug 2013 #8
Our family also has a friend who is a retired NYC police Inspector. branford Aug 2013 #24
?! blkmusclmachine Aug 2013 #9
This guy sounds like one of the longtime commentators on the Field Negro site agentS Aug 2013 #10
why were they able to fire Shirley Sherrod from the USDA Enrique Aug 2013 #11
Good question. I'm guessing because no right wing organizations have complained about him. forestpath Aug 2013 #13
political appointee vs civil service employee nt geek tragedy Aug 2013 #16
Exactly. branford Aug 2013 #25
They didn't fire Sherrod, she resigned. n/t hughee99 Aug 2013 #21
Please. Like they gave her a choice. forestpath Aug 2013 #30
They didn't, but they didn't fire her as the poster suggested. hughee99 Aug 2013 #31
According to Ms. Sherrod herself, the WH FORCED her resignation - which is forestpath Aug 2013 #33
"As far as your concerned" isn't the same thing as fired. hughee99 Aug 2013 #34
She did not resign "willingly" and there is no point in forestpath Aug 2013 #35
The FACT is that she resigned and was not fired. hughee99 Aug 2013 #36
As expected... Tunkamerica Aug 2013 #12
"The DHS official spoke on the condition of anonymity because the official was not authorized" Sunlei Aug 2013 #14
They do, but the official spokesperson ain't sayin nuttin nt geek tragedy Aug 2013 #17
One wrong word, and potential damages in a civil suit increase demonstrably. branford Aug 2013 #26
His career is over Botany Aug 2013 #19
Watched the video... bobclark86 Aug 2013 #20
the obvious question is why isn't he in Africa. lol, the stupid knows okieinpain Aug 2013 #29
it's all about his view of history Supersedeas Aug 2013 #39
the viewpoints may mean their ability to do their job fairly, is compromised CreekDog Aug 2013 #22
He'll get fired unless he can put up an airtight defense that the site is a joke/satire, etc. Blue_Tires Aug 2013 #23
Not if the comments / website was on his own time. branford Aug 2013 #27
they've already placed him on paid administrative leave cali Aug 2013 #37
if by ap source they mean d_r Aug 2013 #28

joshcryer

(62,269 posts)
1. Wow, the stuff that site advocates.
Fri Aug 23, 2013, 01:08 AM
Aug 2013

Had to close it 2 minutes into their documentary decrying the "US's sexual cultural imperialism." ie, giving out free condoms = bad. Supporting homosexual rights = bad. Being against rape culture = bad.

grantcart

(53,061 posts)
32. This is low level employee and not a LEO officer or agent.
Fri Aug 23, 2013, 08:21 PM
Aug 2013

The bar for employees is about the same as normal employment.

Officers or agents have extensive background checks. Their credit is checked. They go to 4 month academies where they are provoked to see if they have emotional triggers or racial biases.

After they finish the academy they are on extended probation where anything like this would be used to get rid of them.

After that they are scrutinized regularly by internal affairs, but they are mostly looking for people that would be susceptible to bribes or intimidation from the cartel.

Nevertheless even at the agent and officer level there are cases of bad agents/officers, but it is very rare.

They are always looking out for misbehavior.

grantcart

(53,061 posts)
41. No that is a supervisory position, which is quite a bit different from
Sat Aug 24, 2013, 11:50 PM
Aug 2013

what the article indicated.

He is not, however, law enforcement.

xocet

(3,871 posts)
15. The article shows that the Southern Poverty Law Center did the first reporting on this, not the NSA.
Fri Aug 23, 2013, 09:46 AM
Aug 2013
AP source: DHS employee behind racist website
By ALICIA A. CALDWELL, Associated Press | August 22, 2013 | Updated: August 22, 2013 8:43pm

...

The Southern Poverty Law Center, which monitors hate groups, first reported on Kimathi on Wednesday.

...

http://www.chron.com/news/politics/article/AP-source-DHS-employee-behind-racist-website-4753877.php?cmpid=hpbn


DHS Employee Promotes Race War in Spare Time, Advocates Mass Murder of Whites
Don Terry on August 21, 2013, Posted in Anti-White

By day, Ayo Kimathi works for the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) as a small business specialist in a unit that buys such items as handcuffs, ammunition and guns.

Off-duty, he calls himself “the Irritated Genie.” He’s a gay-bashing, revenge-seeking black nationalist who advocates on his website – War on the Horizon – the mass murder of whites and the “ethnic cleansing” of “black-skinned Uncle Tom race traitors.”

“Warfare is eminent,” the website declares, “and in order for Black people to survive the 21st century, we are going to have to kill a lot of whites – more than our Christian hearts can possibly count.”

A former supervisor of Kimathi’s at the DHS told Hatewatch, “Everybody in the office is afraid of him.”

...

http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2013/08/21/dhs-employee-promotes-race-war-in-spare-time-advocates-mass-murder-of-whites/


Do you intend to suggest that the SPLC has ties to the NSA surveillance operation?

FreedRadical

(518 posts)
6. wow I am sittting thinking...
Fri Aug 23, 2013, 01:52 AM
Aug 2013

he's the only one huh? All I can say is if you are Black watch out if you are ever in some parts of Idaho where (*) summers. I believe you can find ads in the dailies for this kind of thing. And I'm sure it is not some crazy black dude with a nutty website.

I'm sorry though, I don't think I care enough to try to prove that.

 

branford

(4,462 posts)
7. I'm curious how DHS will handle the matter.
Fri Aug 23, 2013, 02:01 AM
Aug 2013

Based upon the article, his statements, although disgusting, appear to be protected by the First Amendment, and he would have violated no enforceable policy unless DHS can conclusively prove that he worked on the website while at work or using government equipment.

Absent new information, my prediction is that DHS will ultimately pay him a large sum of money to simply go away and avoid further embarrassment to the Department. Ironically, if he is a member of a public employee union, they would have a fiduciary duty to fight to protect him.

These bigots pop-up in federal and state government jobs on a fairly regular basis. If they are shrewd, they avoid the obvious pitfalls like using government equipment or wearing a uniform out in public while spewing their filth, and leave government officials between a rock and a hard place.

Javaman

(62,507 posts)
18. they'll probably promote the guy.
Fri Aug 23, 2013, 10:39 AM
Aug 2013

yes, I'm being sarcastic.

but given the history of HLS, it's really not all that far off the mark.

this story only reaffirms my belief that HLS is the pet project of the republican well connected. It serves no purpose than to continue to dazzle the public with bullshit while it goes along and continues to rob us blind of our tax dollars.

TreasonousBastard

(43,049 posts)
8. A long time ago I asked a friend of mine, a retired...
Fri Aug 23, 2013, 03:03 AM
Aug 2013

NYC lieutenant, how they dealt with assholes like this when I heard about a white racist with a website in the NYPD.

He just said "We have ways-- they're trouble and they don't stay around long."

Being as how Homeland Security seems to have a much higher idiot factor than the NYPD, let's see how this plays out.

 

branford

(4,462 posts)
24. Our family also has a friend who is a retired NYC police Inspector.
Fri Aug 23, 2013, 02:49 PM
Aug 2013

Those "ways" are not nearly as dramatic as you suggest. First, many cops often support the bigots, not so much because of their views but simply as they are friends and colleagues. Cops, particularly the NYCP, close ranks very quickly.

Threats and violence are also rarely employed. Make even a small mistake, and its a quick trip to retirement without a pension. Harass another cop, even a bigot who technically broke no laws or rules, and you end-up with a disciplinary record that could affect promotion, or worse, you'll be a witness in a civil suit.

Often the both the brass and rank-and-file talk very tough, and claim the bigot left without any direct deal. However, the City often makes a deal and pays the Union, who then pays a settlement to the bigot to leave. Plausible deniability protects the people involved politically, and gets rid of the bigot. The problem is the taxpayers are still left on the hook for the settlement.

agentS

(1,325 posts)
10. This guy sounds like one of the longtime commentators on the Field Negro site
Fri Aug 23, 2013, 05:42 AM
Aug 2013

If you read the site, you know which one I'm talking about.

Enrique

(27,461 posts)
11. why were they able to fire Shirley Sherrod from the USDA
Fri Aug 23, 2013, 06:15 AM
Aug 2013

and they can't fire this guy from freaking Homeland Security?

 

forestpath

(3,102 posts)
13. Good question. I'm guessing because no right wing organizations have complained about him.
Fri Aug 23, 2013, 08:11 AM
Aug 2013

If I hadn't already soured on Obama, the way he treated Shirley Sherrod would have done the trick for all time.


hughee99

(16,113 posts)
31. They didn't, but they didn't fire her as the poster suggested.
Fri Aug 23, 2013, 08:20 PM
Aug 2013

They could always ask this guy to resign. My guess is that he would not.

 

forestpath

(3,102 posts)
33. According to Ms. Sherrod herself, the WH FORCED her resignation - which is
Fri Aug 23, 2013, 08:31 PM
Aug 2013

tantamount to firing her as far as I'm concerned, especially the unbelievably cruel kneejerk way they did it.

hughee99

(16,113 posts)
34. "As far as your concerned" isn't the same thing as fired.
Fri Aug 23, 2013, 10:23 PM
Aug 2013

They CAN do the same thing to this guy. There's nothing to prevent anyone from asking, or even pressuring this guy to resign. If he does it willingly like Ms. Sherrod did, then it's easy. If he doesn't go willingly, they may find they have difficulty actually firing him. Ms. Sherrod could have certainly put up more of a fight if she had chosen to, but it might seriously hurt her longer term career goals. If I understand correctly, she was offered a job by the USDA shortly after her resignation and turned it down instead taking a consulting position with them. If she's not a "team player", she never gets that offer.

 

forestpath

(3,102 posts)
35. She did not resign "willingly" and there is no point in
Sat Aug 24, 2013, 03:30 AM
Aug 2013

Continuing this conversation with somebody who refuses to acknowledge the facts.

hughee99

(16,113 posts)
36. The FACT is that she resigned and was not fired.
Sat Aug 24, 2013, 03:50 AM
Aug 2013

How am I the one who won't acknowledge the facts.

When someone is forced to resign, for legal purposes, they quit. To fire someone, you have to have cause, and I'm sure there are a few free speech advocates who would argue that what a person does on their own time, that is not illegal, is not their employers business, especially if they are in a government, union job. If this person won't resign, the government would have to have cause to fire him, and it's possible they may not have it, thus, they'd have to keep him on.

Would you support the government firing rank-and-file employees for exercising their free speech rights ( though, I'm not sure if this fall into "hate speech or not) on their own time?

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
14. "The DHS official spoke on the condition of anonymity because the official was not authorized"
Fri Aug 23, 2013, 08:38 AM
Aug 2013

what kind of "Homeland security" business doesn't have an official spokesman? and allows anon. employee to give DHS statements about one employee/contractor? personal bloggie website.

DHS costs us billions and billions & they don't have an official media spokesman?



bobclark86

(1,415 posts)
20. Watched the video...
Fri Aug 23, 2013, 12:26 PM
Aug 2013

"Gay rights are... in opposition to the religions of most of the peoples of Africa!"

Well, tough titties. What if I'm offended by your religion? Can I punish you by firing squad now?

(See how I flipped it on them?)

okieinpain

(9,397 posts)
29. the obvious question is why isn't he in Africa. lol, the stupid knows
Fri Aug 23, 2013, 04:10 PM
Aug 2013

no bounds. gender, race, age, location are all open territories for the stupid.

Supersedeas

(20,630 posts)
39. it's all about his view of history
Sat Aug 24, 2013, 01:38 PM
Aug 2013

to some on these boards...and his first amendment rights to others

CreekDog

(46,192 posts)
22. the viewpoints may mean their ability to do their job fairly, is compromised
Fri Aug 23, 2013, 12:47 PM
Aug 2013

someone enforcing or following up on investigations who has racial bias couldn't be seen as a fair minded representative of the government.

 

branford

(4,462 posts)
27. Not if the comments / website was on his own time.
Fri Aug 23, 2013, 02:59 PM
Aug 2013

He has a constitutional right to be a bigot while employed by the government. The burden will be on DHS, not the bigot.

If he wasn't using government time or resources to support his bigotry, or violating any DHS regulations (that must be compatible with the 1st Am.), he will be protected. This unfortunately happens fairly regularly with some state and federal government employees.

I expect DHS to review all his official dealings with a fine tooth comb. If they find clear evidence of the above, he can be disciplined. Termination might be much harder due, ironically, to union protections and defense. However, given the press these bigots have received in recent years, they now tend to be shrewd and avoid the pitfalls that resulted in past firings.

If we don't hear an update from DHS in about 1 to 2 months, I expect they will try quietly pay him to leave.

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