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Purveyor

(29,876 posts)
Wed Aug 28, 2013, 05:53 PM Aug 2013

US Says It Won’t Let Diplomatic Paralysis Slow Action Against Syria

Source: Washington Post

By Associated Press, Published: August 27 | Updated: Wednesday, August 28, 5:20 PM

WASHINGTON — The Obama administration said Wednesday it would take action against the Syrian government even without the backing of allies or the United Nations because diplomatic paralysis must not prevent a response to the alleged chemical weapons attack outside the Syrian capital last week.

New requests for the United Nations to authorize military action in Syria may have complicated the Obama administration’s plan to take retaliatory action on the purported poison gas attack east of Damascus that U.S. officials claim was carried out by President Bashar Assad’s forces.

But a State Department spokeswoman said possible U.N. rejection of the U.S. plan — most likely led by Russia — won’t slow the administration.

“We cannot be held up in responding by Russia’s intransigence — continued intransigence — at the United Nations,” Marie Harf said. “The situation is so serious that it demands a response.”

Read more: http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/congress/us-readies-intelligence-legal-justification-for-possible-military-strike-against-syria/2013/08/27/6a9eb726-0f89-11e3-a2b3-5e107edf9897_story.html

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US Says It Won’t Let Diplomatic Paralysis Slow Action Against Syria (Original Post) Purveyor Aug 2013 OP
"What about Poland?" Cooley Hurd Aug 2013 #1
"Diplomatic Paralysis" Ash_F Aug 2013 #2
+1 Javaman Aug 2013 #24
An Orwellian phrase, to be sure. nt raccoon Aug 2013 #27
'must not prevent a response to the alleged...' Celefin Aug 2013 #3
I think that Russia needs to step up to the plate and prevent this. David__77 Aug 2013 #4
Putin might realize that attacking Syria will backfire on the West totodeinhere Aug 2013 #19
oh that's rich azurnoir Aug 2013 #5
Cluster Bomb Units ----CBU perfectly acceptable Banned by treaty in 103 Countries warrant46 Aug 2013 #17
It was "okay" when Israel did it, too, apparently psychopomp Aug 2013 #18
Wow, not even a fig leaf. The Brits have been sidelined... Comrade Grumpy Aug 2013 #6
France is Hollande opening his mouth without engaging his brain. dipsydoodle Aug 2013 #11
Horrible flashback: "Fuck Saddam... we're taking him out." --- GWB AzDar Aug 2013 #7
Yeah, remember when that Blix shmuck held up our invasion of Iraq? MannyGoldstein Aug 2013 #8
Going it alone again... awoke_in_2003 Aug 2013 #9
Get on with it then and don't hold your breath on the UK. dipsydoodle Aug 2013 #10
I guess now wouldn't the time to suggest obama is acting like his predecessor, Arctic Dave Aug 2013 #12
I saw a comment on the New York Times site the other day . . . markpkessinger Aug 2013 #13
Good God he sounds like BUSH. GeorgeGist Aug 2013 #14
Well, the person stating this was NOT BlueMTexpat Aug 2013 #15
Interesting. Thanks for the bio. n/t Laelth Aug 2013 #16
Aw c'mon people - think rationally now. ConcernedCanuk Aug 2013 #20
Q: How can one be a war hawk and keep his/her alleged base clueless to it? blkmusclmachine Aug 2013 #21
"U.S. officials were in search of additional intelligence ronnie624 Aug 2013 #22
US Says It Won’t Let Diplomatic Paralysis Slow Action Against Syria, HA! BillyRibs Aug 2013 #23
In other words, neither international nor domestic law will stop us. Comrade Grumpy Aug 2013 #25
No change there then. Nihil Aug 2013 #30
Diplomatic paralysis is also known as democracy daleo Aug 2013 #26
"Don't bother me with facts, my mind's made up!" nt bemildred Aug 2013 #28
maybe Condi Rice and Judith Miller can tag team this war too Supersedeas Aug 2013 #29

Celefin

(532 posts)
3. 'must not prevent a response to the alleged...'
Wed Aug 28, 2013, 06:04 PM
Aug 2013

The response to an alleged crime should not be lynching but investigating to have something to act on.
Quaint, I know.

David__77

(23,382 posts)
4. I think that Russia needs to step up to the plate and prevent this.
Wed Aug 28, 2013, 06:06 PM
Aug 2013

Send some delegations to Syria to further conduct investigation. Send a government delegation to work with the government and internal opposition. Move ships in their port at Tartus. Ship the S-300s along with Russian operators.

totodeinhere

(13,058 posts)
19. Putin might realize that attacking Syria will backfire on the West
Wed Aug 28, 2013, 09:04 PM
Aug 2013

so he will only supply lip service in opposition to and he will not do anything concrete to stop it. A big foreign policy mistake by the West could benefit Russia so he will have little incentive to do anything about it. It's just a theory.

azurnoir

(45,850 posts)
5. oh that's rich
Wed Aug 28, 2013, 06:15 PM
Aug 2013

IOW we're 'doing' Syria no matter what anyone says

perhaps what ever party in Syria used chemical weapons should have used White Phosphorus , 'cause then by American standards it would have been okay or is it only okay when we do it?

warrant46

(2,205 posts)
17. Cluster Bomb Units ----CBU perfectly acceptable Banned by treaty in 103 Countries
Wed Aug 28, 2013, 08:30 PM
Aug 2013

Last edited Thu Aug 29, 2013, 06:43 PM - Edit history (1)

USA Great Britain and Saudi think its OK to use these on people



The CBU (Cluster Bomb Unit) is a weapon developed by the United States for anti personnel purposes.

The weapon contains 665 BLU-26 tennis ball-sized submunitions, each designed to detonate with 600 metal fragments for an anti-personnel/anti-materiel effect.

These canisters weigh more than 1000 lbs . Out of 665 maybe only 80% will detonate on contact. The rest kind of "Lay Around". They will KILL YOU if you pick one up and it decides to detonate. It will also blow your hand and maybe your arm OFF

United States and allies attacked Iraq with 13,000 cluster munitions, containing two million submunitions during Operation Iraqi Freedom, according to the HRW At multiple times, coalition forces used cluster munitions in residential areas, and the country remains among the most contaminated by this day, bomblets posing a threat to both US military personnel in the area, and local civilians.

psychopomp

(4,668 posts)
18. It was "okay" when Israel did it, too, apparently
Wed Aug 28, 2013, 08:45 PM
Aug 2013

They dumped it on Gaza during Operation Cast Lead.

 

Comrade Grumpy

(13,184 posts)
6. Wow, not even a fig leaf. The Brits have been sidelined...
Wed Aug 28, 2013, 06:23 PM
Aug 2013

Who does that leave, us and France? Oh, and the humanitarians of the Arab League.

dipsydoodle

(42,239 posts)
11. France is Hollande opening his mouth without engaging his brain.
Wed Aug 28, 2013, 07:02 PM
Aug 2013

Nothing new there.

In the meanwhile the EU is keeping schtum on the subject.

 

MannyGoldstein

(34,589 posts)
8. Yeah, remember when that Blix shmuck held up our invasion of Iraq?
Wed Aug 28, 2013, 06:48 PM
Aug 2013

The little Old-Europe boy who kept claiming there was no evidence that Iraq was trying to make nukes?

Showed him!

dipsydoodle

(42,239 posts)
10. Get on with it then and don't hold your breath on the UK.
Wed Aug 28, 2013, 06:59 PM
Aug 2013


Syria crisis: MPs to vote twice before direct UK action.

MPs will have two votes before "direct" military action is taken by the UK in Syria, the government has proposed.

A Commons motion, to be debated on Thursday, states the second vote should be held after UN inspectors report on an alleged chemical attack.

Labour had threatened to withdraw its support for the motion and said the PM had "changed his mind" under pressure.

Asked if ministers had backed down, the foreign secretary said it was necessary to proceed "on a consensual basis".

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-23862114

markpkessinger

(8,395 posts)
13. I saw a comment on the New York Times site the other day . . .
Wed Aug 28, 2013, 07:11 PM
Aug 2013

. . . that described President Obama as "the same as Bush only 50 points higher on his IQ score." It's getting harder and harder to argue with that assessment.

BlueMTexpat

(15,369 posts)
15. Well, the person stating this was NOT
Wed Aug 28, 2013, 07:38 PM
Aug 2013

Prez O, although I wish that he would tone down ALL war talk completely.

According to this information, which may be out of date, Marie Harf, the person described as a "State Department spokeswoman" in this article, is listed as "Media Spokesperson for the Central Intelligence Agency, a position she has held since June 2008. Ms. Harf is part of the small team that develops the Agency’s media strategy and responds to queries from reporters on a wide range of national security and intelligence topics." She may have changed agencies. Or not.

Per the same source, Ms Harf began as "an analyst on Middle East leadership issues from March 2006 until June 2008. In this role, she produced finished intelligence products -- including for the President’s Daily Brief -- on top foreign policy priorities, providing both insight and context while identifying risks and opportunities for the United States. She also authored in-depth assessments of foreign leaders, which were shared with U.S. officials before bilateral and multilateral meetings." http://www.cnas.org/node/5044

Having cut her teeth on the misbegotten foreign policies of Dim Son & Co - which worked so well - she continues to sow the same bitter seeds.

Every single one of these Bush II legacies should have been removed from their federal posts. Unfortunately, they have now become entrenched. No wonder we are hearing the "same-old, same-old" warmongering talk.

 

ConcernedCanuk

(13,509 posts)
20. Aw c'mon people - think rationally now.
Wed Aug 28, 2013, 09:48 PM
Aug 2013

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USA/MIC hasn't bombed the shit out of anybody lately.

They need the target practice to "protect" y'all.

wouldn't want them to lose their "skills" now,

wouldja??

CC

ronnie624

(5,764 posts)
22. "U.S. officials were in search of additional intelligence
Thu Aug 29, 2013, 01:04 AM
Aug 2013
to bolster the White House’s case for a strike against Assad’s military infrastructure."

I'm fully confident in their ability to "find" the "intelligence" they need.

 

BillyRibs

(787 posts)
23. US Says It Won’t Let Diplomatic Paralysis Slow Action Against Syria, HA!
Thu Aug 29, 2013, 01:48 AM
Aug 2013

Why let the truth stand in your way of making a buck.

daleo

(21,317 posts)
26. Diplomatic paralysis is also known as democracy
Thu Aug 29, 2013, 12:49 PM
Aug 2013

Democracies are not supposed to jump to war, with only flimsy (or no) evidence to support their actions.

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