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Judi Lynn

(160,449 posts)
Thu Aug 29, 2013, 04:36 PM Aug 2013

Rand Paul opposes U.S. attack if it could ‘kill Christians in Syria’

Source: Raw Story

Rand Paul opposes U.S. attack if it could ‘kill Christians in Syria’
By David Edwards
Thursday, August 29, 2013 16:14 EDT

Sen. Rand Paul (R-KY) said on Tuesday that an attack on Syria would be a bad idea if U.S. weapons were “used to kill Christians.”

In an interview with conservative radio host Mike Huckabee, Paul said that President Barack Obama needed to understand that “there are 2 million Christians living in Syria, more than just about any place in the Middle East.”

“And I just don’t want to see my kids or weapons of the United States being used to kill Christians in Syria,” he explained.

Paul called on the president to “try and convince” a joint session of Congress that action in Syria was necessary.


Read more: http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/08/29/rand-paul-opposes-u-s-attack-if-it-could-kill-christians-in-syria/

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Rand Paul opposes U.S. attack if it could ‘kill Christians in Syria’ (Original Post) Judi Lynn Aug 2013 OP
Well, some of our jet jockies are no doubt Christian. So that's a "no"? Scuba Aug 2013 #1
But what about the dead squirrel on his head? DontTreadOnMe Aug 2013 #2
For crying out loud... CherokeeDem Aug 2013 #3
You don't? iandhr Aug 2013 #62
Not everyone in this state CherokeeDem Aug 2013 #64
You mean the creationist amusement park reference was not a joke? Chemisse Sep 2013 #91
Oh my imaginary being in the sky, what a panderer! RussBLib Aug 2013 #4
Don't you know the US is blessed by Jeebuz,...but he's fickle? Spitfire of ATJ Aug 2013 #12
Because killing Muslims is not a problem? Mass Aug 2013 #5
They're not real people durablend Aug 2013 #30
killing kardonb Aug 2013 #59
I know, right? However, I too am concerned about the killing of the Christians, and MNBrewer Aug 2013 #71
I wonder if he stretched his arms out when he said it. Spitfire of ATJ Aug 2013 #6
Translation: 'Muslims are worth less than Christians.' onehandle Aug 2013 #7
Betcha he'll change his mind about Syrian Christians when he finds out they don't speak English. Spitfire of ATJ Aug 2013 #14
They MUST speak English-- Jackpine Radical Aug 2013 #55
Hey, JimboBillyBubbaBob Aug 2013 #67
Well, yeah. Syrian Christians almost count as people. tclambert Aug 2013 #46
What about the French Canadians? KamaAina Aug 2013 #60
What about the French Canadians? bpollen Sep 2013 #84
Rand cares* Blue Owl Aug 2013 #8
There are a lot of good reason to oppose the strike. This one is just stupid and biggoted Agnosticsherbet Aug 2013 #9
He has a fan club here. iandhr Aug 2013 #63
A fan club for a man who opposed the voting rights, women's right, gay rights? Agnosticsherbet Aug 2013 #70
O.K., NOT the Onion--thus, NOT O.K. Coyotl Aug 2013 #10
What? Your God won't protect them? Wait Wut Aug 2013 #11
Where is your God now, non-Christian Syrians of no importance?!?!? hatrack Aug 2013 #24
about that pic... awoke_in_2003 Aug 2013 #69
How Christian of him ashling Aug 2013 #13
My first question to him would be, what if there have been christians who are victims of Thinkingabout Aug 2013 #15
Really? EC Aug 2013 #16
Like in Iraq. DinahMoeHum Aug 2013 #32
Or how EC Aug 2013 #34
You know, people who support this asshole deserve him. nt msanthrope Aug 2013 #17
Voters in Kentucky seem to like him. 53-44 favorable. Comrade Grumpy Aug 2013 #20
I suspect that for some here, Paul just said what some think but dont want to say. Sand Wind Aug 2013 #18
I've said it once, I've said it a thousand times. The Stranger Aug 2013 #19
I guess he would've not bombed Germany in WWI or WWII either. denverbill Aug 2013 #21
"Christian" is a word Rand Paul heard somewhere. He doesn't really know what it LoisB Aug 2013 #22
Even a cropped smock is white twice a day...or something. DisgustipatedinCA Aug 2013 #23
what does he want, non Christian drones sent? SummerSnow Aug 2013 #25
He wants drones and cruise missiles christx30 Aug 2013 #27
I bet that is what he wants.too funny SummerSnow Aug 2013 #29
Sharing heaven with Rand Paul sounds more like hell to me Major Nikon Aug 2013 #26
Jeebus will protect them. HooptieWagon Aug 2013 #28
I got to say this yoloisalie Aug 2013 #31
in fact, Thumairbs are all 10% Christian (and Assad's their only champion at the moment....) MisterP Aug 2013 #57
How "Christian" of him. Dawson Leery Aug 2013 #33
That's our Rand Paul! BillyRibs Aug 2013 #35
He's taking the right position, nonsense aside. David__77 Aug 2013 #36
Absolutely. arewenotdemo Aug 2013 #74
Could that mean that the people who prepared the chemical weapons karynnj Sep 2013 #86
Sure, that is possible. David__77 Sep 2013 #87
However, the sectarian reference was there and it was the point of the statement karynnj Sep 2013 #88
It's hard to articulate. David__77 Sep 2013 #89
I understand what you are saying and there is a parallel in what in Egypt karynnj Sep 2013 #90
What a guy! City Lights Aug 2013 #37
"Dead sand-niggers I'm fine with, but just don't hit any white Christians," he did not add. nt DRoseDARs Aug 2013 #38
That is just an offensive subject line, even if you were trying to put words in Paul's mouth. MADem Aug 2013 #54
Rand Paul is a loony Rosa Luxemburg Aug 2013 #39
RP doesn't want to kill Christians dougg Aug 2013 #40
Look at randy all down and pandering to his "christian" constituents. Cha Aug 2013 #41
As a Christian I am appauled he would say this. hrmjustin Aug 2013 #42
()o() blkmusclmachine Aug 2013 #43
And OK to kill Christians here by cutting food stamps. oldandhappy Aug 2013 #44
Hey now, whoa now... Earth_First Aug 2013 #45
Yes, Rand.... But are they the Right Kind of Christian?????? (sarcasm) nt eilen Aug 2013 #47
Excellent point! I would guess ... King_Klonopin Aug 2013 #73
didn't believe it until I heard his voice use those words RitchieRich Aug 2013 #48
what a joke heaven05 Aug 2013 #49
I never thought Senator would do a Rick Santorum shtick. Jack Rabbit Aug 2013 #50
Fuck Rand Paul. n/t JTFrog Aug 2013 #51
What an ass. polichick Aug 2013 #52
But....but....he's a HERO! Pay no attention to that muskrat on his head... he's a HERO! MADem Aug 2013 #53
now what did jesus say..... madrchsod Aug 2013 #56
But it's fine if they are Muslims or Jews or atheists or whatever else?? Gotcha. kestrel91316 Aug 2013 #58
He's got a screw or two loose. truthisfreedom Aug 2013 #61
Using That As A Yardstick DallasNE Aug 2013 #65
Everyone knows each Cristian life is worth 1000 heathens n/t TroglodyteScholar Aug 2013 #66
appropriately stupid for the Mike Huckabee show Enrique Aug 2013 #68
What a dip shit.... WCGreen Aug 2013 #72
Christians are Human Beings Martin Eden Aug 2013 #75
There go the Republicans, courting other ethnicities again. Rand is becoming a real asset Squinch Aug 2013 #76
This Kentuckian thinks he's the most dangerous potential candidate of all..... JohnnyLib2 Aug 2013 #77
Religious war The Wizard Aug 2013 #78
wonder if Rand had a brain during the 90's PatrynXX Aug 2013 #79
back in the day PatrynXX Aug 2013 #80
I.. what... is he... I don't... wha? ElboRuum Aug 2013 #81
I don't think he needs to worry about his kids paulrandfu Sep 2013 #82
Killing Syrian muslims, Jews and those with no religion at all are okay by the Gadfly Nanjing to Seoul Sep 2013 #83
Only Christians count? karynnj Sep 2013 #85
WTF does someones religion have to do with whether someone shoud live or die? CarrieLynne Sep 2013 #92
 

Scuba

(53,475 posts)
1. Well, some of our jet jockies are no doubt Christian. So that's a "no"?
Thu Aug 29, 2013, 04:38 PM
Aug 2013

Or doesn't he care about American lives?

 

DontTreadOnMe

(2,442 posts)
2. But what about the dead squirrel on his head?
Thu Aug 29, 2013, 04:38 PM
Aug 2013

Trump or Rand? Which animal skin comb over do you prefer?

CherokeeDem

(3,709 posts)
3. For crying out loud...
Thu Aug 29, 2013, 04:39 PM
Aug 2013

This guy is an idiot...

I swear I do not know how the people of my state were stupid enough to elect him.

CherokeeDem

(3,709 posts)
64. Not everyone in this state
Fri Aug 30, 2013, 02:43 PM
Aug 2013

is an idiot and like a great number of other states, we have enough Republicans in the legislature for things like the creationist amusement park to be funded.



RussBLib

(9,002 posts)
4. Oh my imaginary being in the sky, what a panderer!
Thu Aug 29, 2013, 04:39 PM
Aug 2013

What? Christians are more important than anything else?

 

Spitfire of ATJ

(32,723 posts)
12. Don't you know the US is blessed by Jeebuz,...but he's fickle?
Thu Aug 29, 2013, 04:48 PM
Aug 2013

Hurt one of his followers and he'll go all Samuel L. Jackson on you.

 

kardonb

(777 posts)
59. killing
Fri Aug 30, 2013, 01:31 PM
Aug 2013

Rant Paul : twisted brainless moron. Its OK to kill everyone else , just not "christians " . Those better run around with giant crosses painted on their heads to make them visible from the air .

MNBrewer

(8,462 posts)
71. I know, right? However, I too am concerned about the killing of the Christians, and
Sat Aug 31, 2013, 12:22 AM
Aug 2013

the Alawites that will be coming down the pike when Assad falls. Whom will we bomb when the ethnic cleansing beings, then? That's a war crime, too, right?

onehandle

(51,122 posts)
7. Translation: 'Muslims are worth less than Christians.'
Thu Aug 29, 2013, 04:40 PM
Aug 2013

More proof that Libertarians are just GOP Conservative teabagger hate-mongers.

tclambert

(11,084 posts)
46. Well, yeah. Syrian Christians almost count as people.
Fri Aug 30, 2013, 07:12 AM
Aug 2013

Which is an improvement. Usually the RW'ers think only Americans count as people (including unborn American zygotes). Foreigners don't count as human. OK, maybe Canadians. But not the French!

Blue Owl

(50,249 posts)
8. Rand cares*
Thu Aug 29, 2013, 04:41 PM
Aug 2013

*Unless you're a Buddhist, Muslim, Hindu, Islam, Shinto, Daoist, or Athiest -- i.e. over 80 percent of the world's population.

Agnosticsherbet

(11,619 posts)
9. There are a lot of good reason to oppose the strike. This one is just stupid and biggoted
Thu Aug 29, 2013, 04:44 PM
Aug 2013

But this is Rand Paul we speak of.

Agnosticsherbet

(11,619 posts)
70. A fan club for a man who opposed the voting rights, women's right, gay rights?
Fri Aug 30, 2013, 08:14 PM
Aug 2013

Who supports the wealthy over the poor? A man supported by white supremacists?
Seems to me that fans of Rand Paul would be happier on a one of the more right wing posting boards or libertarian. But we are a big tent party.

 

Coyotl

(15,262 posts)
10. O.K., NOT the Onion--thus, NOT O.K.
Thu Aug 29, 2013, 04:48 PM
Aug 2013

This is the sort of thing one says if they have NO aspirations for public office!

Wait Wut

(8,492 posts)
11. What? Your God won't protect them?
Thu Aug 29, 2013, 04:48 PM
Aug 2013

He won't spread his glorious arms over all the Christianites and sit back to watch the brown heathens burn? Ye of little faith!!!

What a gigantic ass.

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
15. My first question to him would be, what if there have been christians who are victims of
Thu Aug 29, 2013, 04:51 PM
Aug 2013

Chemical warfare, would this be a reason to take action in Syria?

 

Sand Wind

(1,573 posts)
18. I suspect that for some here, Paul just said what some think but dont want to say.
Thu Aug 29, 2013, 04:55 PM
Aug 2013

Not for the majority, I'm sure of it, just a minority.

Example : what happen if you google ''John2'' ?...

The Stranger

(11,297 posts)
19. I've said it once, I've said it a thousand times.
Thu Aug 29, 2013, 04:58 PM
Aug 2013

A fundamentalist is a fundamentalist is a fundamentalist.

No matter whether Christian, Muslim, Jew, Hindu.

They want to go to war for god and fuck all of the rest of us in the process.

denverbill

(11,489 posts)
21. I guess he would've not bombed Germany in WWI or WWII either.
Thu Aug 29, 2013, 05:06 PM
Aug 2013

Nor Italy, nor Russia since all those places are chock full o'Christians.

 

DisgustipatedinCA

(12,530 posts)
23. Even a cropped smock is white twice a day...or something.
Thu Aug 29, 2013, 05:19 PM
Aug 2013

And then there's Rand Paul, who makes even less sense than my subject line. Clearly, Tomahawk cruise missiles need Christian Avoidance Systems installed. I hope we have this in place before our next glorious war comes around.

christx30

(6,241 posts)
27. He wants drones and cruise missiles
Thu Aug 29, 2013, 06:19 PM
Aug 2013

Equipped to detect religions. They'll explode on Muslims. But they'll turn into food or medical supplies for Christians.

 

yoloisalie

(55 posts)
31. I got to say this
Thu Aug 29, 2013, 06:40 PM
Aug 2013

when speaking to fundamentalist christians which Huckabee and his listeners are, you can easily win them over when you can show them that a war will harm Christians or Jews. Just convince them that those 2 groups would be hurts and they will side with you. It is a lazy way of going about it but it works.

David__77

(23,320 posts)
36. He's taking the right position, nonsense aside.
Thu Aug 29, 2013, 08:45 PM
Aug 2013

The US would be killing Christians and other faith community members as well. It is true that the US targets probably would disproportionately kill Christians, who are overrepresented in the Syrian security and armed forces, engaged in a battle against terrorism.

 

arewenotdemo

(2,364 posts)
74. Absolutely.
Sat Aug 31, 2013, 03:35 AM
Aug 2013

Seems like a lot of people here may not know that Paul was one of only three members of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee that voted against arming the Syrian rebels.

Tim Kaine, for example, voted for it. And for what it's worth, I don't believe for a second that Paul did so just to protect Syrian Christians.



karynnj

(59,498 posts)
86. Could that mean that the people who prepared the chemical weapons
Sun Sep 1, 2013, 08:09 AM
Sep 2013

and used them are disproportionately Christian as well?

More to the point, how does this make Paul "right". I would have no problem if he said that no one should be killed by us. That at least would not be bigoted. Is it worse to kill a Muslim baby or a Christian serviceman protecting a chemical weapons depot?

karynnj

(59,498 posts)
88. However, the sectarian reference was there and it was the point of the statement
Sun Sep 1, 2013, 08:31 AM
Sep 2013

I suspect that it was designed to win over to his side the usually prowar KY constituents who actually would agree with killing if it were all Muslims. (I assume this is NOT many KY people, but it is part of the Republican base.)

David__77

(23,320 posts)
89. It's hard to articulate.
Sun Sep 1, 2013, 08:53 AM
Sep 2013

But I think that it is reasonable to point specifically to the plight of Syrian Christians. They are being "cleansed" indeed. They were driven from Qusayr and many other towns and villages seized by the insurgents. But I do agree than the statements that were made were cynically made to appeal to those who care nothing for non-Christians.

karynnj

(59,498 posts)
90. I understand what you are saying and there is a parallel in what in Egypt
Sun Sep 1, 2013, 09:28 AM
Sep 2013

where the Copts are being killed and their churches burned.

I also understand that the concern for co-religious concerns. (I was born Catholic and converted to Judaism - and I've seen the special bond that is felt in both. )

MADem

(135,425 posts)
54. That is just an offensive subject line, even if you were trying to put words in Paul's mouth.
Fri Aug 30, 2013, 12:38 PM
Aug 2013

You need to edit that up--that's just wrong.

Earth_First

(14,910 posts)
45. Hey now, whoa now...
Fri Aug 30, 2013, 06:16 AM
Aug 2013

Food stamps take precious budgetary appropriations from defense budgets to purchase Cruise missles to...

...wait a minute!

Derp!

King_Klonopin

(1,306 posts)
73. Excellent point! I would guess ...
Sat Aug 31, 2013, 03:24 AM
Aug 2013

If he really knew that Christians in Syria are mostly
Syrian Orthodox, like Eastern Orthodox, which is
essentially CATHOLIC (OMG!) I expect that he would
tone it down a bit.

They ain't the Evangelical, Bible-Based Christyuns
who, I am sure, he is thinking of (if he's capable of
thinking, that is!)

Syria has no oil to speak of, so I wonder why he is
even paying attention -- aside from the opportunity
to kill some Muslims and start Armageddon.

What about woman and children of any faith, Rant ? Do they
matter at all ?

He makes a fitting caricature for the term "douche-nozzle".




RitchieRich

(292 posts)
48. didn't believe it until I heard his voice use those words
Fri Aug 30, 2013, 09:42 AM
Aug 2013

Even with how cynical I am and how much crazy b.s. I've heard from them, I still didn't believe that ANY politician would say something like that out loud. Not because they don't think it, but because it could be create trouble for them.
I will think twice the next time before I dismiss something as probable propaganda.

Jack Rabbit

(45,984 posts)
50. I never thought Senator would do a Rick Santorum shtick.
Fri Aug 30, 2013, 12:26 PM
Aug 2013

Although he is right, it will kill Christians in Syria, among others.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
53. But....but....he's a HERO! Pay no attention to that muskrat on his head... he's a HERO!
Fri Aug 30, 2013, 12:36 PM
Aug 2013

Sounding the alarm for Truth, Justice and the Murican way!!!!!



He's just so ... BELOVED!!!! Even Putin thinks he's swell!



I guess this genius doesn't like to include the eight million or more Christians in Egypt in the regional mix--perhaps their location in the corner of the African continent excludes them in his mind?

madrchsod

(58,162 posts)
56. now what did jesus say.....
Fri Aug 30, 2013, 01:01 PM
Aug 2013

suffer the children unto thee for theirs is the kingdom of heaven or something like that. i noticed christ did`t label what children got to go or stay behind.


truthisfreedom

(23,138 posts)
61. He's got a screw or two loose.
Fri Aug 30, 2013, 01:51 PM
Aug 2013

WTF kind of message does this send, Rand? How does your statement make America look to the rest of the world? You're no representative of this country. You're a defective product and you need to be recalled for our safety.

DallasNE

(7,402 posts)
65. Using That As A Yardstick
Fri Aug 30, 2013, 03:01 PM
Aug 2013

Rand Paul would have opposed declaring war against Nazi Germany. And the bombing campaign in Kosovo, amongst others. What a bizarre parameter to use as the principle value in determining military action.

Squinch

(50,911 posts)
76. There go the Republicans, courting other ethnicities again. Rand is becoming a real asset
Sat Aug 31, 2013, 08:05 AM
Aug 2013

to the Democratic party. If he keeps this up, he'll be right up there with Bachmann and Palin.

JohnnyLib2

(11,211 posts)
77. This Kentuckian thinks he's the most dangerous potential candidate of all.....
Sat Aug 31, 2013, 09:37 AM
Aug 2013

and playing to the under-informed and fearful is his game plan.

PatrynXX

(5,668 posts)
79. wonder if Rand had a brain during the 90's
Sat Aug 31, 2013, 12:56 PM
Aug 2013

when Serbia was the bad country. (a Christian country) we have a rather large Bosnian/ Croatian population in the Waterloo IA area. and cedar rapids. they are a rather large voting block. clearly that white population he won't be counting on..

PatrynXX

(5,668 posts)
80. back in the day
Sat Aug 31, 2013, 12:57 PM
Aug 2013

to some extent I had some sympathy for Serbia's past. however it didn't make what they did right.

ElboRuum

(4,717 posts)
81. I.. what... is he... I don't... wha?
Sat Aug 31, 2013, 05:32 PM
Aug 2013

If there is a single person in Congress who should pay someone good money to follow him around with a recording device just for the purpose of playing what he says back to him mere seconds after the fact just so he can hear how he sounds when he says things, it is Rand Paul.

 

paulrandfu

(35 posts)
82. I don't think he needs to worry about his kids
Sun Sep 1, 2013, 12:56 AM
Sep 2013

Unless they bring back the draft with no strings attached.

 

Nanjing to Seoul

(2,088 posts)
83. Killing Syrian muslims, Jews and those with no religion at all are okay by the Gadfly
Sun Sep 1, 2013, 03:00 AM
Sep 2013

Christians are off limits, because Jesus loves them.

Fuck off, Ron!

karynnj

(59,498 posts)
85. Only Christians count?
Sun Sep 1, 2013, 07:58 AM
Sep 2013

I have no idea what the religion was of the people killed by chemical weapons - and I don't care. Rand Paul - and many Americans do - as his statement suggests that it is worse to kill a Christian than to kill a Muslim. Even for innocent children. Somehow this is NOT what I learned as a young Catholic!

This actually suggests that Rand Paul would want Assad - even after this atrocity - as head of Syria. He has had the Christians as allies and the alternatives are Islamists of varying degrees of radicalness.

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