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Obama to make statement on Syria at 1:15 p.m. EDT. (Original Post) Bosonic Aug 2013 OP
I think I've seen this movie before :( nt TBF Aug 2013 #1
Again? Harmony Blue Aug 2013 #2
I refuse to be a hypocrite Amerigo Vespucci Aug 2013 #3
More likely, the attack has already started itsrobert Aug 2013 #4
It'd make the news about twelve seconds after it began Posteritatis Aug 2013 #7
Eg. Here: Ghost Dog Aug 2013 #19
Courageous, you are! Thank you. eom truth2power Aug 2013 #5
So you were against our actions in bosnia as well? iamthebandfanman Aug 2013 #10
Sorry ...was busy watching women in Sudan getting raped and killed. n/t L0oniX Aug 2013 #12
Well that justifies iamthebandfanman Aug 2013 #13
Make a list ...then you decide where it hurts more. n/t L0oniX Aug 2013 #14
Here's a map someone put up showing conflicts around the world A Little Weird Aug 2013 #17
Where is the rest of the world? pangaia Aug 2013 #20
We need to approach each situation on its merits. Yes there are lot of horrific atrocities in this totodeinhere Aug 2013 #34
Obama set to discuss Syria from White House Bosonic Aug 2013 #6
The Syrian government has agreed to let Larry "Toonces" Summers run its economy MannyGoldstein Aug 2013 #8
LOL! scarletwoman Aug 2013 #22
Follow the money. The WH is just the frontman. blkmusclmachine Aug 2013 #9
WH: No Announcement Of Imminent Strike In Obama Statement frazzled Aug 2013 #11
So why have this? Harmony Blue Aug 2013 #18
to stop rampant speculation by the bloodthirsty media. DCBob Aug 2013 #23
Neo-DU is wrong again. No surprise here, they always are. nt tridim Aug 2013 #29
Well, actually ... frazzled Aug 2013 #37
He's late dipsydoodle Aug 2013 #15
how many deaths are needed here? quadrature Aug 2013 #16
nothing yet... MNBrewer Aug 2013 #21
The lengthy delay here indicates to me there is some disagreement among his advisors. DCBob Aug 2013 #24
I think the opposite. Adding new "intel" at last morningfog Aug 2013 #28
He is going to request congressional approval. DCBob Aug 2013 #30
We are going to bomb them. Ruby the Liberal Aug 2013 #25
And he is going after congress' approval Ruby the Liberal Aug 2013 #26
I think that means we wont be bombing unless there is congressional approval. DCBob Aug 2013 #32
He's asking for a Congressional vote nt TomClash Aug 2013 #27
I'm honestly very conflicted by this proposed action QSkier Aug 2013 #31
Well, we could bomb the chemical plants demwing Aug 2013 #38
I suspect that the "chemical plants" are in Russia QSkier Aug 2013 #39
Just looking for consistency in our foreign policy. Does this mean North Korea and Iran are next? WestSeattle2 Aug 2013 #33
There has never been absolute consistency.. its always situational based on numerous factors. DCBob Aug 2013 #35
Consistency would send the right message;situational policies simply invite recurring conflict. WestSeattle2 Aug 2013 #36

Amerigo Vespucci

(30,885 posts)
3. I refuse to be a hypocrite
Sat Aug 31, 2013, 12:38 PM
Aug 2013

If the statement is "We're going IN," it won't matter to me if the statement's read by Barack Obama or George W. Bush.

Posteritatis

(18,807 posts)
7. It'd make the news about twelve seconds after it began
Sat Aug 31, 2013, 12:56 PM
Aug 2013

The US isn't the only country with their media over there right now.

iamthebandfanman

(8,127 posts)
10. So you were against our actions in bosnia as well?
Sat Aug 31, 2013, 01:09 PM
Aug 2013

watching innocent women getting sniped in the head or raped when they dared to walk outside their door ?
Or how about Kosovo where we watched when lining up 50-100 people and shooting them in front of the mass grave they were about to throw them in ?

its easy to be against helping people when you aren't there to witness it first hand I guess eh ?

iamthebandfanman

(8,127 posts)
13. Well that justifies
Sat Aug 31, 2013, 01:18 PM
Aug 2013

everything doesn't it ?

I agree, we should have been helping other places...
but as everyone is pointing out now because of Syria .. we cant do everything ! right? *eye roll*

so where do you stand.. you either think intervention is okay to help folks or you don't?

by stating sudan, where I agree with you , you seem to be suggesting you think its okay to help ?

A Little Weird

(1,754 posts)
17. Here's a map someone put up showing conflicts around the world
Sat Aug 31, 2013, 01:28 PM
Aug 2013
http://www.warsintheworld.com/?page=static1329446051

Who made us the arbiter of world conflicts? And why is it that we only seem to care about civil wars when they happen in Europe or the Middle East? Many of these other conflicts have seen more people killed/raped/maimed. I haven't heard a peep from the media or the government about rushing in to stop atrocities in other places.

We need to wait for the UN weapons inspectors to bring their findings before the UN. Then world leaders can come together and decide the appropriate response. We need to stop trying to be the policemen of the world.

totodeinhere

(13,058 posts)
34. We need to approach each situation on its merits. Yes there are lot of horrific atrocities in this
Sat Aug 31, 2013, 02:01 PM
Aug 2013

world. Sometimes the international community is in a position to do something about it. And sometimes sadly there is no readily available solution that won't backfire and make things worse resulting in even more suffering. But in any event the USA is not the world's policeman and any such actions require international participation and consensus.

Bosonic

(3,746 posts)
6. Obama set to discuss Syria from White House
Sat Aug 31, 2013, 12:55 PM
Aug 2013

WASHINGTON (AP) — President Barack Obama's top national security advisers gathered at the White House on Saturday, and Syrian television broadcast scenes of fighter jets, tanks and troops in training, flip sides of a countdown to a likely U.S. military strike meant to punish Bashar Assad's government for the alleged use of chemical weapons.

After days of deliberations, Obama arranged to speak in the White House Rose Garden in early afternoon. Aides who had said for days he had not made a decision on whether to strike Syria refused to repeat those words.

A White House official said Obama's remarks would not be about an imminent military operation in Syria, but rather would update the public about his decisions on how to proceed.

...

It seemed unlikely Obama would wait that long to order any strike, given the flotilla of U.S. warships equipped with cruise missiles and massed in the Mediterranean; Friday's release of a declassified U.S. intelligence assessment saying Assad's chemical weapons killed 1,429 civilians; and an intensifying round of briefings for lawmakers clamoring for information.

http://bigstory.ap.org/article/un-experts-leave-syria-us-edges-toward-strike

 

MannyGoldstein

(34,589 posts)
8. The Syrian government has agreed to let Larry "Toonces" Summers run its economy
Sat Aug 31, 2013, 01:00 PM
Aug 2013

Our long national nightmare is finally over.

frazzled

(18,402 posts)
37. Well, actually ...
Sat Aug 31, 2013, 02:31 PM
Aug 2013

I was referring to the Obama-is-a-war-mongering-criminal-in-the-mold-of-Bush crowd. They were just jammin' for him to unleash his evil powers so they could be right. They were not.

DCBob

(24,689 posts)
24. The lengthy delay here indicates to me there is some disagreement among his advisors.
Sat Aug 31, 2013, 01:52 PM
Aug 2013

Its very possible they may be thinking of backing down.

 

QSkier

(30 posts)
31. I'm honestly very conflicted by this proposed action
Sat Aug 31, 2013, 01:57 PM
Aug 2013

I don't know, honestly, how this will be seen around the world.

I also don't think we can stop Asaad's use of chemical weapons with bombing.

I welcome other thoughts on this from people better informed than I.

 

demwing

(16,916 posts)
38. Well, we could bomb the chemical plants
Sat Aug 31, 2013, 02:52 PM
Aug 2013

and destroy the ability to make the weapons, right?

We can also "hold Assad responsible"...whatever that means (bomb his mansion?)

 

QSkier

(30 posts)
39. I suspect that the "chemical plants" are in Russia
Sat Aug 31, 2013, 04:10 PM
Aug 2013

or in some place where a few deaths never get recorded.

There's enough poisoned gas around on this planet that there's no need for chemical plants, there's enough gas to make thousands of gas weapons.

Somehow, I doubt Syria really manufactures the gass and the weapons. I suspect that there's a link to Russia in all of this. That's why I think Russia is so opposed to this effort to control and bring Asaad to justice. This is a world-wide issie, and Russia is NOT some nation we want to go to war with .....e can defeat them, but the PR worldwide would be disastrous.

WestSeattle2

(1,730 posts)
36. Consistency would send the right message;situational policies simply invite recurring conflict.
Sat Aug 31, 2013, 02:08 PM
Aug 2013

Unspeakable horrors are inflicted daily by the governments of North Korea and Iran (and numerous others) on their own peoples, yet we keep our powder dry with barely a word of admonishment spoken. Talk about sending mixed signals.

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