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Judi Lynn

(160,530 posts)
Wed Sep 11, 2013, 04:15 PM Sep 2013

Huge underground water supply discovered in drought-stricken Kenya

Source: The Star

Huge underground water supply discovered in drought-stricken Kenya

Aquifer brings hope and the promise of prosperity to tens of millions without adequate water, Kenyan environment minister says.

By: Lesley Ciarula Taylor News reporter, Published on Wed Sep 11 2013

The high-tech discovery of a 70-year water supply under the arid plains of drought-stricken northern Kenya brings hope and the promise of prosperity to tens of millions without adequate water, the Kenyan environment minister says.

Judi Wakhungu announced the discovery ‏of the 207-cubic-kilometre Lotikipi Basin Aquifer at a water security meeting in Nairobi with the United Nations Education, Science and Cultural Organization, which sponsored the exploration.

“Kenya water discovery brings hope for drought relief in rural north,” Wakhungu announced via Twitter.

A smaller aquifer, a reserve of underground water, has also been identified using advanced satellite technology supplied by the French company Radar Technologies International, it was announced Wednesday.


Read more: http://www.thestar.com/news/world/2013/09/11/huge_underground_water_supply_discovered_in_droughtstricken_kenya.html

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Huge underground water supply discovered in drought-stricken Kenya (Original Post) Judi Lynn Sep 2013 OP
ok, let the war over the water rights begin. In the end the citizens of Kenya will be the losers olddad56 Sep 2013 #1
Great, now they can plant corn or rice or some other high water usage crop and pump the aquifer dry RC Sep 2013 #2
Never happen. Pigs always muscle their way into the trough. nt valerief Sep 2013 #20
Nah, they'll just start fracking. Myrina Sep 2013 #38
weird, that was my first reaction too... PrestonLocke Sep 2013 #12
Don't worry... Maedhros Sep 2013 #13
That is what I think also. Kenya will not be getting any of this water at a reasonable price. jwirr Sep 2013 #15
Why specifiy US money? dbackjon Sep 2013 #18
I hope they don't discover natural gas there. WHEN CRABS ROAR Sep 2013 #3
You beat me to it. madamesilverspurs Sep 2013 #5
Oh that is wonderful news.. Peacetrain Sep 2013 #4
Thanks for the positive response ... Auggie Sep 2013 #8
They have been in my thoughts and prayers Peacetrain Sep 2013 #9
Has Nestle claimed dibs on it yet? Jesus Malverde Sep 2013 #6
^^^This^^^ catchnrelease Sep 2013 #25
Bechtel claims it's part of the water they lost in Bolivia. Kennah Sep 2013 #28
You are funny!!!! robinlynne Sep 2013 #29
You're right catchnrelease Sep 2013 #31
I can SO get behind a war between Bechtel and Nestle Kennah Sep 2013 #39
Orly Taitz wants to see the long form water survey. Spitfire of ATJ Sep 2013 #7
The government of Kenya must claim this find immediately for the good of the citizens of Kenya. mountain grammy Sep 2013 #10
Huh ... Nihil Sep 2013 #33
I'm afraid you might be right - a PBS documentary POV on Kenya and 2 foreign aid projects that progree Sep 2013 #34
Monsanto is already packed and ready to pollute. russspeakeasy Sep 2013 #11
And they Have Help from The Adminstration On That HumansAndResources Sep 2013 #26
On a related note... Maedhros Sep 2013 #14
Use it wisely. AtheistCrusader Sep 2013 #16
My thoughts as well dbackjon Sep 2013 #19
For people in the midst of a drought, 70 years is fantastic! robinlynne Sep 2013 #30
That's wonderful news. In_The_Wind Sep 2013 #17
This technology should be deployed worldwide ASAP KamaAina Sep 2013 #21
Yay for science! Politicub Sep 2013 #22
Coming to a Nairobi near you - Dubai ! toby jo Sep 2013 #23
I hope Kenya makes the water a national resource and keeps out corporations Marrah_G Sep 2013 #24
Maybe Bolivia Can Help Them Learn How to Keep That Water HumansAndResources Sep 2013 #27
Good, because in 78 years there will be 8 Kenyas to feed and water at current popn growth rates progree Sep 2013 #32
Damn. jsr Sep 2013 #36
That 207 cubic km volume of water = about 9 months of U.S. consumption progree Sep 2013 #40
Nice work! nt adirondacker Sep 2013 #41
Maybe the Lord will lead Pat Robertson Ezlivin Sep 2013 #35
How did another nation end up on top of 'our' resources? (Water, oil, rare earth metals, whatever.) joanbarnes Sep 2013 #37

olddad56

(5,732 posts)
1. ok, let the war over the water rights begin. In the end the citizens of Kenya will be the losers
Wed Sep 11, 2013, 04:17 PM
Sep 2013

once US corporate money gets involved, it will get ugly.

 

RC

(25,592 posts)
2. Great, now they can plant corn or rice or some other high water usage crop and pump the aquifer dry
Wed Sep 11, 2013, 04:24 PM
Sep 2013
in 10 to 15 years. And don't forget the man-made recreational lake.

Just install wells and let the people living there use the water for their needs. Keep the agribusiness profiteers out of it, if such a thing is possible.

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
15. That is what I think also. Kenya will not be getting any of this water at a reasonable price.
Wed Sep 11, 2013, 05:12 PM
Sep 2013

Corporations rule the world.

madamesilverspurs

(15,804 posts)
5. You beat me to it.
Wed Sep 11, 2013, 04:35 PM
Sep 2013

Where I live the farmers have been told to cut back on their planting, but frackers get every drop of water they demand.

Peacetrain

(22,876 posts)
4. Oh that is wonderful news..
Wed Sep 11, 2013, 04:30 PM
Sep 2013

hopefully they will get relief.. and knowledge on how to stretch that aquifer as long as possible..

Peacetrain

(22,876 posts)
9. They have been in my thoughts and prayers
Wed Sep 11, 2013, 04:42 PM
Sep 2013

Just such a wonderful piece of news for a part of the world that has so suffered. It just made my day.. I am almost in tears (of joy) to read this..

catchnrelease

(1,945 posts)
31. You're right
Thu Sep 12, 2013, 12:58 AM
Sep 2013

How could I have forgotten about Bechtel? Maybe Nestle and Bechtel can duke it out over who will hold people's lives in their hands for a big profit.

According to Peter Brabeck, CEO of Nestle, Water is not a human right and should be privatized. I bet he's got people on their way to Kenya already.


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Nihil

(13,508 posts)
33. Huh ...
Thu Sep 12, 2013, 07:51 AM
Sep 2013

It wouldn't be long before the government decided that the best thing for the citizens
of Kenya would be to sell the rights to a foreign entrepreneur ...


progree

(10,907 posts)
34. I'm afraid you might be right - a PBS documentary POV on Kenya and 2 foreign aid projects that
Thu Sep 12, 2013, 10:11 AM
Sep 2013

Last edited Thu Sep 12, 2013, 02:23 PM - Edit history (1)

sounded well-intentioned but did little to help ordinary people. And government ineptitude and corruption and was a big part of the problem.

Titled: Good Fortune -- http://www.pbs.org/pov/goodfortune/

One can watch the trailer, but unfortunately the full length program can no longer be streamed nor downloaded free.

 

HumansAndResources

(229 posts)
26. And they Have Help from The Adminstration On That
Thu Sep 12, 2013, 12:18 AM
Sep 2013
Speaking before a crowd Sunday at the University of Cape Town, President Obama touted a "new alliance of governments and the private sector" and the billions spent on agricultural research that "grows more crops"—words frequently used as doublespeak for Big Agriculture's genetically modified organism (GMO) technology.


http://www.commondreams.org/headline/2013/07/01-7

AtheistCrusader

(33,982 posts)
16. Use it wisely.
Wed Sep 11, 2013, 05:19 PM
Sep 2013

We're not using ours wisely, and someday we're going to pay for it. Best guess, 25-30 years and the breadbasket turns off...

 

dbackjon

(6,578 posts)
19. My thoughts as well
Wed Sep 11, 2013, 06:48 PM
Sep 2013

70-year supply is nothing. Well, better than nothing, but how is the 70-year supply measured? At current consumption rates? We know consumption rates will skyrocket if water is made easily and cheaply available - human nature.


Hopefully, they use it well

 

KamaAina

(78,249 posts)
21. This technology should be deployed worldwide ASAP
Wed Sep 11, 2013, 06:54 PM
Sep 2013

There just might be more water out there than we thought. Which would be bad news for the BFEE, Nestle and whoever else is trying to corner the market.

 

toby jo

(1,269 posts)
23. Coming to a Nairobi near you - Dubai !
Wed Sep 11, 2013, 10:10 PM
Sep 2013

Seriously though - get some community organizers over there and go tribal on the pigs when they get there for their 'take'.

 

HumansAndResources

(229 posts)
27. Maybe Bolivia Can Help Them Learn How to Keep That Water
Thu Sep 12, 2013, 12:21 AM
Sep 2013

Otherwise, they will have to "pay for permission" from some Western Transnational for the resources under their feet - like every other nation not on the Corporate Globalist-Powers "To Bomb" list.

progree

(10,907 posts)
32. Good, because in 78 years there will be 8 Kenyas to feed and water at current popn growth rates
Thu Sep 12, 2013, 03:26 AM
Sep 2013

Last edited Fri Sep 13, 2013, 12:30 AM - Edit history (2)

Google: Kenya population growth

The population growth RATE has been stable since about 1998 at about 2.7%/year. At that rate, it doubles every 26.02 years

1.027^26.02 = 2 ("^" is exponentiation)

If that population growth rate continues for the next 78 years, there will be 3 doublings (78/26 = 3)

That's an 8-fold population increase (2^3 = 8) in 78 years, which is one lifetime and more than the "70" of the supposed 70 year supply.

Year Population
2012 43 M
2090 344 M (78 years later)

And they will reasonably want to raise their living standards -- more meat for example, which consumes a lot more water than plant food. And use it for industrial purposes and so on to support a higher living standard.

If a higher living standard resulted in only a doubling of per-capita water consumption, that would mean there will be 16 Kenyas in 78 years in terms of water consumption.

[font color = red]On Edit 9/12 1128 pm Central[/font]: That 207 cubic km volume of water they found in Kenya = about 9 months of U.S. water consumption -- see post 40 for the source and calculations.

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The dramatic dot video of population growth. A world map beginning in 1 A.D. with 1 dot = 1 million people
http://www.populationconnection.org/site/PageServer?pagename=issues_main



It is about 6 1/2 minutes long but you can skip the first 2 minutes -- the actual dot stuff begins at 2:00 and ends at 5:42. At 5:00 have reached about 1600 A.D. while the population is still quite modest outside of India and China. (So if you are in a time bind, you can start at 5:00 and watch just the last 42 seconds) "As the film neared present day and the dots started flying onto the screen, there were audible gasps, wide staring eyes, and mumblings of "no way" and "I knew we were growing but not THAT much."

progree

(10,907 posts)
40. That 207 cubic km volume of water = about 9 months of U.S. consumption
Fri Sep 13, 2013, 12:27 AM
Sep 2013

Last edited Fri Sep 13, 2013, 10:45 AM - Edit history (1)

The article says that big body of underground water found in Kenya is 207 cubic kilometers (cubic km). In 2005, the U.S. used 289 cubic kilometers (the amount withdrawn from surface and ground water), excluding water used for thermal-electric plants which is mostly "flow through" (its returned to the lake or river or whatever after used for cooling).

207 / 289 = 0.72 years or a little less than 9 months

Source and calculations (ugly, but if you trust me, you don't have to read this) :

http://ga.water.usgs.gov/edu/wateruse-total.html (accessed 9/12/13)

If withdrawals for thermoelectric power (which is generally a "flow-though process&quot in 2005 are excluded, about 209,000 Mgal/d was withdrawn, of which 129,000 Mgal/d (62 percent) was supplied by surface water and 80,700 Mgal/d (38 percent) was supplied by groundwater. (Mgal/day is million gallons per day)

My calculations:

So 209,000 Mgal/day * 365 days = 76,300,000 Mgal/year = 76.3 * 10^6 * 10^6 = 76.3 * 10^12 = 76.3 trillion gallons per year.

Google says: 1 cubic km = 2.64 * 10^11 U.S. gallons.
So, (76.3 * 10^12) / (2.64 * 10^11) = 28.9 * 10^1 = 289 cubic km / year <- that's the amount of water withdrawn per year in the U.S. excluding thermoelectric.

Another source: An imperial gallons to cubic km converter: http://www.unitjuggler.com/convert-volume-from-gallonimperial-to-km3.html
(and then I converted the imperial gallons to U.S. gallons, using 1 imperial gallons = 1.2 U.S. gallons)


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