'De-Americanised' world needed after US shutdown: China media

[jakeXT]

Source: Yahoo AFP

Beijing (AFP) - While US politicians grapple with how to reopen their shuttered government and avoid a potentially disastrous default on their debt, the world should consider 'de-Americanising', a commentary on China's official news agency said Sunday.

"As US politicians of both political parties (fail to find a) viable deal to bring normality to the body politic they brag about, it is perhaps a good time for the befuddled world to start considering building a de-Americanised world," the commentary on state news agency Xinhua said.

In a lengthy polemic against American hegemony since World War two, it added: "Such alarming days when the destinies of others are in the hands of a hypocritical nation have to be terminated.

"A new world order should be put in place, according to which all nations, big or small, poor or rich, can have their key interests respected and protected on an equal footing."

Read more: http://news.yahoo.com/americanised-world-needed-us-shutdown-china-media-053014967.html

[CJCRANE]

1. K&R for visibility. nt

[ehcross]

71. 'De-Americanised' world needed after US shutdown: China media.

It is alarming, though not new, to hear Americans complaining about anything American.
"De-Americanised world needed after U.S. shutdown." says China media.

Americans have never really given a thought to the idea of a United States collapse. But a United States collapse may mean a "world collapse." It is truly alarming to read such statements, and be a witness to what is starting to look as "the end of something."




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[Turbineguy]

2. That's true of course.

And if you consider the amount of US debt that China owns that would be made worthless, it's still less than the cost of an old fashioned war. The Teabaggers aren't just on the side of Al Qaeda.

[jakeXT]

9. It's just a bit

http://www.npr.org/blogs/money/2013/10/10/230944425/everyone-the-u-s-government-owes-money-to-in-one-graph

[Enthusiast]

40. This chart illustrates why there is such a push to

cut social security benefits. Even though it would be morally wrong. They, the war profiteers, Wall Street fraudsters, and tax cut beneficiaries spent the money rewarding themselves. Now they want the victims of theft to pay for their recklessness.

[Democat]

3. The far right is weaking America

For the sake of undermining Obama.

[AnotherMcIntosh]

5. It's all the Republicans' fault?

[Frank Cannon]

8. Aside from a few Dem and pseudo-Dem enablers, yes.

Specifically, it is the fault of the Tea Party true believers within the Republican party who are holding their fellows hostage with threats of primary challenges, backed by the Koch brothers and other wealthy Republicans who will be more than happy to provide an endless stream of cash to carry those threats out.

So yes, it is their fault. It truly is.

[MADem]

13. I think it is.

And for those who think it's a grand idea, be careful what you wish for.

We're not so great, until you have to live under other forms of government.

[melody]

25. Republicans and DINOs, yes n/t

[Kablooie]

31. Yep. If there was no question about the solidity of US bonds this call would have no weight.

It's only the GOP threat to, twice, default on the debt that makes this something serious to consider.

[Jamastiene]

57. Yes.

Are there Democrats you blame for this debacle? What do you mean by that?

ACA is a law. What the Republicans are trying to do is refuse to fund a law that is already on the books, and they are willing to completely destroy the country over it.

[treestar]

64. Of course it is.

[Lil Missy]

67. Why yes, it is. n/t

[starroute]

14. It's not just Obama -- they also hate government

Until the New Deal, the federal government didn't play much of a role in people's lives, but over the last 80 years that has changed in areas ranging from Social Security to enforcing desegregation. As a result, there are large chunks of the country that now see the government as making their own lives more difficult while handing out goodies to poor people and minorities.

There's actually a sliver of truth to that -- the government is dedicated to keeping the country on an even keel, heading off violent revolution, and making sure the consumer economy has plenty of disposable income to keep it well fueled. All of that requires a certain measure of redistribution and providing support in potential areas of destabilization. But the small business owners and rural traditionalists don't see it that way, and they've increasingly come to believe that destroying the power of the federal government would be in their own best interests.

[the_sly_pig]

22. I believe it mostly is 'just Obama'.

Based on my interaction with people, regardless of what is said in regard to issues, Obama is a person of color. This is what they see. I believe this is what is offensive to the Kock brothers, and that the President may not worship the all-mighty dollar.

The country has been in decline for some time. It started with the argument that money does not buy quality education. To some extent it does not, but money does buy smaller classroom size, that in turn, buys a better education especially at the youngest ages.

Anti-education, anti-community, a false sense of rugged individualism and fear and what do you get? The Tea Party idiots.

[starroute]

39. You really think they wouldn't be as freaked out if Hillary was president?

I see the current situation as something that's been coming for a long time -- ever since Reagan started convincing Republicans that government was the enemy. Obama's election just brought it to a head.

[the_sly_pig]

53. I was being polite....

I believe that of the people I know that hate the Prez, they say its because of his policies, but I think it's because he's black. I don't doubt that what you say is true, however, in their eyes, at least Hillary is white. I say this because as regular citizens and not members of the 1%, to opposing rational legislation is prejudicial. To oppose legislation benefiting the masses and against ones own best interest is irrational.

I find them ignorant on the issues that face them. Ignorance is the basis of racial prejudice. Therefore those that refuse benefits are ignorant.

Just sayin.

[PSPS]

51. All because they won't accept "TNitWH."

[AnotherMcIntosh]

4. Maybe it wasn't a good idea to ship manufacturing jobs to foreign countries and have endless wars

and occupations.

[840high]

7. .....

[RC]

41. Too late now.

It will take decades under the best of conditions to get our manufacturing back in this country. What the hell were they thinking by making this country survive on making war and expensive war toys, while at the same time, export our Living Wage Jobs and manufacturing to China and elsewhere?

[AnotherMcIntosh]

50. What were they thinking? Possibly they were thinking about their retirement packages and rubbing

shoulders with the super-rich.

[TomClash]

6. Fuck China

The next hegemon.

[awoke_in_2003]

15. While I agree American hegemony needs to end...

to think China doesn't want to take our place is laughable.

[TomClash]

19. Right on both counts

[Auggie]

21. +1

[jsr]

30. No kidding.

[KurtNYC]

73. So if American hegemony ends, who should take our place?

Also I think the hegemony is US/UK, not purely US.

[Ikonoklast]

34. China is Oh! so much a better alternative.

Fuck them is right, they are on borrowed time themselves with an unsustainable economic model.

[treestar]

65. Agreed, that's what they want

So they are taking advantage of this shut down to run their mouths.

They would be far worse.

[Joe Bacon]

10. Congratulations, GOP!

You assholes in the GOP have merely carried out the wishes of Al-Qaeda! They couldn't ask for better operatives than you!

[DallasNE]

11. Someone Always Steps Into A Power Vacuum

And this is what China is doing here. Coming out of this America will have a weakened hand in world financial say. Without profound change that binds Congress to act in a timely manner we can only expect other countries to grab power where they can meaning this is likely a permanent change with unknown damages being the fallout from this ill-advised gambit by Boehner, Cantor and House Republicans.

[Javaman]

12. in other words, china is now out looking for new clients to fund their booming economy...

without us, and they know it, their economy, when we default, will begin a slow and dramatic drop. Then it will cascade if we don't fix things.

I think I see a bead of sweat on china's brow.

[the_sly_pig]

24. I don't see sweat on China's brow....

I see anticipation.

[Javaman]

49. we are their biggest single buyer, correction Walmart is the biggest buyer.

it's only anticipation if there are open markets.

if the US goes into default, and the US dollar being the current currency for world trade, opportunities for China will be very few, because the value of the dollar will be low and won't allow for the big profit margin that china requires.

now if china actually valued their currency at what it should be, then they could potentially float themselves along, but if the US comes out of default within a few days, china's economy hits the fan because up till now their purposely low valued currency has been kept afloat due to their investment in our dollars.

[awoke_in_2003]

16. "...all nations, big or small...

poor or rich, can have their key interests respected and protected on equal footing"

Yeah, I am sure China will do this

[truebluegreen]

42. I'm sure they will just as much as we do. nt

[awoke_in_2003]

44. I agree...

in another post in this thread I agreed our hegemony needs to end, but to think China doesn't want to take our place is laughable.

[truebluegreen]

45. I agree completely.

[Miranda4peace]

17. Wellllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll

Our economic output was largely fraudulent. The Pentagon/Banks maintained global dominance at great cost to the American and foreign citizen alike.

Obama wanted to hold the financiers accountable, it should be done, either way its time to start studying Spanish, German, Hindi or Mandarin.

[MyNameGoesHere]

18. Well as my friend Nelson says

[JimboBillyBubbaBob]

20. It just proves,

our government still has the power the freak the communists.

[zwyziec]

23. The USA happily sold China $1.5 trillion in US bonds.....

to finance :

a tripling of the national debt under Reagan

a doubling of the national debt under GWBush

massive tax cuts for the wealthy (remember the growing wealth inequality problem?)

the funding of the Afghanistan war

the funding of the illegal, unnecessary, unwarranted and immoral Iraq war

the medical care of over 100,000 veterans with spinal, head and PTSD injuries....for the rest of their lives

the funding of the unfunded Medicare Part D Rx program pushed through by GWB and Tom Delay

China is just returning the money to the USA that it earned in supplying goods to Walmart and every other corporation in the USA.

We buy goods from China, they use the cash to buy bonds from the USA which funds our irresponsible government GOP lead spending

[truebluegreen]

43. +100

[daleo]

55. That doesn't sound sustainable

Hard to say how it will ultimately shake out.

[gopiscrap]

26. That's true

[roamer65]

27. I need to start buying Renminbi.

[bluesbassman]

28. Looks like China picked the wrong week to stop sniffing glue.

[tavernier]

29. Good job, John, you sure showed us.

Have one more for the road and then turn the lights out when you leave. On second thought , no need. The power will be off in a couple of days anyway.

[grahamhgreen]

32. By 'de-Americanized' they really mean de-kochitized, de-corporatized, de-oligarchized

[Ikonoklast]

35. China's entire economy is run by people just like the Koch Brothers.

If you are close to or part of the inner circle, you too can be a wealthy Oligarch in China.

[aquart]

33. They have our factories. They have our technology.

Of course, we all appreciate China's lack of hypocrisy.

Who left us open to this image attack? Clue: Wasn't Obama.

[on point]

36. That world order used to be what US worked for before......

[Laelth]

37. k&r for exposure. n/t

-Laelth

[Jack Rabbit]

38. We need a de-imperialized world

George W. Bush, the titular leader of the junta that governed America from 2001 to 2009, told a reporter, or what passes for one in America nowadays, "We (Americans) don't do imperialism." Of course, the Frat Boy could not open his mouth without either food going in or a lie coming out.

Supposedly, Communists believe in free determination for all peoples. However, Communist states that inherited decadent empires have a habit of continuing to act like decadent empires. Lenin gave up Poland in a separate peace with Germany in 1917, and Poland became an independent nation when the war ended in a German defeat in 1918. Well, why not? Poland was never German and was even less Russian. There is a Polish language and culture that is quite distinct from either German or Russian. Nevertheless, Stalin and Hitler began World War II with a demonic agreement to divide Poland in 1939. Stalin also took control of the Baltic republics the following year, returning them to the Russian empire after a brief period of independence. The Communists never granted independence to Ukraine, Belarus, the Caucasus states or the central Asian nations except for Mongolia. Free determination for all peoples my ass.

China, an empire for 2000 years prior to the revolutions of the twentieth century, repeated the Russian model. China proper never found the Great Wall, first constructed in the third century BC, to be an adequate defense against Mongol and Turkic "barbarians." At its height, the Chinese Empire ruled not only Chinese, but Mongols, Turks and Tibetans as well. While the Chinese Communists begrudge the twentieth century independence of Mongolia, Tibet and Turkic regions in China are still under Chinese rule. This causes tensions between the Communist government. Chinese diplomats lodge protests whenever the Dalai Lama meets with a head of state in a foreign capital. Chinese leaders threw a real hissy spit when the Dalai Lama won the Nobel Peace Prize. When a group of 22 Uygurs, a Turkic people who live in Xinjiang Provence in western China, found themselves in Guantánamo Bay after the US invasion of Afghanistan. When American released the Uygurs in 2005, declaring them no longer "enemy combatants," China would not take the captive back and put diplomatic pressure on other countries who expressed a willingness to take in the Uygurs. The 22 Uygurs eventually were settled in the Palau islands.

Once again, free determination for all peoples my ass.

After the death of Chairman Mao, who was responsible for the antiquated imperialist policies in Communist China, the internal Chinese economic programs became more liberal and encouraged free enterprise. This development has received much praise from western political and business leaders. Unfortunately, these are the same leaders who are working to suppress wages in the west praising Communists for acting just like them: forcing wages down even with the use of prison labor. Added to the usual Communist political suppression that includes one of the most restricted internets in the world, and China has become a grotesque mix of Communism and corporatism, featuring the worst of both.

While a world without American corporate imperialism sounds like a good thing, this anti-imperialist democrat does not see a world built on the Chinese model as anything we should use to replace it.

[jakeXT]

46. Poland just briefly had a tsar in Moscow, maybe just a taste for them

After early commonwealth victories (Battle of Klushino), which culminated in Polish forces entering Moscow in 1610, Sigismund's son, Prince Wladislaus, was briefly elected tsar. However, soon afterwards, Sigismund decided to seize the Russian throne for himself. This alienated the pro-Polish supporters among the boyars, who could accept the moderate Wladislaus, but not the pro-Catholic and anti-Orthodox Sigismund. Subsequently, the pro-Polish Russian faction disappeared, and the war resumed in 1611, with the Poles being ousted from Moscow in 1612 but capturing the important city of Smolensk

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish%E2%80%93Muscovite_War_%281605%E2%80%9318%29

The old the enemy of my enemy is my friend ?

In October 1998, the Dalai Lama's administration acknowledged that it received $1.7 million a year in the 1960s from the U.S. government through the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA).[106] When asked by CIA officer John Kenneth Knaus in 1995 whether the organisation did a good or bad thing in providing its support, the Dalai Lama replied that though it helped the morale of those resisting the Chinese, "thousands of lives were lost in the resistance" and further, that "the U.S. Government had involved itself in his country's affairs not to help Tibet but only as a Cold War tactic to challenge the Chinese."[107]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/14th_Dalai_Lama#CIA_backing

[Art_from_Ark]

61. Actually, much of Poland had been German

until World War I.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/East_Prussia

[Jack Rabbit]

62. That's because Prussia and Russia carved it up in 1795

The Polish King was forced to abdicate and the Poland ceased to exist.

Today, Poland covers more German territory than even the Poles would like. That's because the Polish border was moved 200 miles to the west so that Uncle Joe could keep some of his ill-gotten gains after the war. To placate the Poles, they got about an equal part of Germany that the Soviets got of Poland.

[LovingA2andMI]

47. So what does this mean for the common everyday American?

Plenty as China is close friends with another large Superpower nation sharing tempered relations with the U.S., Russia and its' leader Vladimir Putin. Remember the cyberhole just resolved so to speak, less than two months ago of a potential war with Syria? Yes, that Vladimir Putin.

Today, U.S. Dollar Currency and Treasury Bonds are used as the World's accounting standard. Sounding an alarm in advance, China news agency Xinhua is stating in the simplest terms its' high time to break up the marriage and formally start divorce proceedings. As America's Government (particularity the GOP) inability to not act like spoiled children threatens to take the World down with it.

[blkmusclmachine]

48. .

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[lostincalifornia]

52. Probably right, but while the world is at it they should also build a de-Chinese world also.

A country who sells products below cost so they can dominate other countries economics

[NoOneMan]

54. We probably need a de-Countryized world

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A world about people and their communities, and how they can all meet eachothers needs without raping the environment. But you can't always get what you need

[lostincalifornia]

60. you got my vote

[pampango]

63. That would be great, but nationalism is a big deal on the right.

If there is one ideological doctrine about which there is almost full consensus regarding its importance for understanding the far-right worldview, it is that of nationalism. Historically, the literature on nationalism has taken diverse directions and is extremely rich, but in its varying guises it usually refers to the association between ethnic, cultural and/or linguistic identity and political expression, or more simply put, the convergence of a cultural framework with a political entity.

In the context of the far-right worldview, nationalism takes an extreme form of full convergence between one polity or territory and one ethnic or national collective.

http://www.ctc.usma.edu/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/ChallengersFromtheSidelines.pdf

[nolabels]

66. Without the other weird ideas from religion.......

That part of the world invented their own kind of religious nuttiness in religious nationalism. The prescriptions for idea's and solutions to mankind's problems will not solve the problems because the problem is inherently embedded in the genetic component that is located inside of such men. With every better mouse trap comes a smarter mouse.

[Jamastiene]

56. Is there anywhere online that I can go ahead and start learning all the Chinese languages

I will need to know? They already own us. If we default, they can just take us over, if they want. If it means possibly getting to see Republicans in gulags, I want to be ready to welcome our Chinese overlords. I'm only half joking at that. I am THAT pissed off at these Republican assholes who are destroying our country. I wish someone would do something about them. What they are doing, by destroying the country, goes against what they were sworn to do. There must be some law against this bullshit.

[jakeXT]

58. There are, but it's still a mystery to me

[caseymoz]

59. Dire Consequences

China has clearly lost confidence in us. The harm from this broken faith will be irreparable. Don't expect economic growth in your lifetime.

[jtuck004]

68. We're working on it. Just give us a little longer... n/t

[riverbendviewgal]

69. I got rid of all my US dollars in savings

There may be a big drop. Many countries are getting off the US dollar.

[Mad-in-Mo]

70. OUCH!

nt

[Tx4obama]

72. Kick n/t