Rand Paul: Tie Debt Ceiling To Raising Age For Social Security And Medicare

[highplainsdem]

Source: BuzzFeed

Sen. Rand Paul said Sunday that Republicans making raising the Social Security retirement a condition of raising the debt ceiling, adding a new twist to the high-wire negotiations over re-opening the federal government and avoiding default.

“I am worried about a government that borrows over a million dollars every minute. And so I think there needs to be some structural reform of our spending or we shouldn’t raise the debt ceiling,” Paul told WABC’s Aaron Klein in an interview airing Sunday night, and shared with BuzzFeed. “And rising the age on social security gradually a couple months a year for younger people is a way to fix the imbalance. It ought to be done probably for Social Security and for Medicare.”

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In the interview, Paul accused President Barack Obama of using scare tactics to rattle financial markets as the deadline nears.

“The one thing we shouldn’t do is we shouldn’t scare people or scare the market place. So I think the president is wrong when he talks casually about default and thinks that we would default,” Paul said.

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Read more: http://www.buzzfeed.com/jacobfischler/rand-paul-tie-debt-ceiling-to-raising-age-for-social-securit

[lostincalifornia]

1. Fuck rand Paul and his crazy ass father

[pangaia]

24. Double that... !!

In fact they can go fuck each other.

[Blue Owl]

38. Thrice on Sunday

n/t

[sakabatou]

43. +4

[Vincardog]

74. +5 and inform them AGAIN that SS has NOTHING to do with the debt.

[flamingdem]

62. I thought he was a Libertarian but he's really an ultra right wing creep

on steroids.

[VanillaRhapsody]

2. Fuck you Rand Paul...

and the Russian Author you were named after...WHO by the way Accepted her own Medicare and Social Security you freak!

[AAO]

13. Talk about the ultimate hypocrite. Ayn Rand. I call bullshit. /EOM

[fasttense]

56. Ayn Rand, the high priestess of the intellectually bankrupt. n/t

[CountAllVotes]

33. BINGO!!!!!!

[Demeter]

3. What they said

[safeinOhio]

4. And if your wrong, you

and Pop get to cash in your gold?

[marble falls]

5. ditto

[durablend]

6. 14th already

Rand and his bunch of nuts are going to impeach the president anyway so get this shit over with.

[kardonb]

37. breaking news

the whole republican party has gone stark raving MAD !

[handmade34]

7. boy is that a silly idea...

F.U. Rand Paul and the crew you rode in on

[gopiscrap]

8. Fuck that shit how about taxing the full earnings of individuals

instead of stopping the tax at $108, 000.00

[freshwest]

39. That's part of the ACA. No cap anymore. No wonder the GOPigs are pissed.

[gopiscrap]

40. Excellent

[freshwest]

42. It was going to cost those making over $250 a good amount. It was posted with the section.

Back when we were discussing why the GOPigs were going crazy about October 1st.

That was one reason. And another was it made the goverment look good. The primary one was that it also helps people to register to vote.

No wonder they decided it was do or die to stop it. Because it doomed their nihilistic philosophy and they knew it.

[BeyondGeography]

9. It's just one damned political master stroke after another

[AAO]

10. This is so easy! FUCK YOU FUCKWAD!!!!!

[Miranda4peace]

11. How about?

Tie raising the debt ceiling to raising taxes on Million$pluser's to stabilize and strengthen Social Security.

[Buddha_of_Wisdom]

63. And a one time 100% COLA increase on SS

So we can live like human beings, not some cornered rat looking for a bite.

And to fund it, remove the cap of SS (I think that's done via ACA), and then add a new tax for the ultrarich and stick it at 95%.

[Miranda4peace]

72. Ideally a tax on productive output of a Bank or Corporation.

Calculate the total costs of providing Housing, Food, Energy and Water with added maintenance and 1000$ recreational spending.
Use this cost to determine the percentage that must be charged on "Efficient Technology&quot Any machine that replaces the job of 1 or more men).
This is a "Generated Labor" Tax. In order to maintain a stable marketplace with necessary demand Citizen subsidies must equal or exceed the value of "Generated Labor".
Since this is a tax, the private sector could maintain function so long as speculation is outlawed.

[melody]

12. Let's sell the Grand Canyon, like Rand wants

Hey, let's sell the whole country. Turn it into a theme park -- Six Flags Over America -- a big profit-making machine that can further enrich these bastards. We can all be theme park characters -- for minimum wage, of course.

[AAO]

15. Now the bigger question: Why is it theirs to sell?

I want to hear their explanation before I unload on them.

[melody]

29. It's ALL theirs by divine right -- and rite n/t

[AAO]

35. Not an explanation the masses are apt to buy at this point

[melody]

36. Definitely not n/t

[warrior1]

14. Rand Paul is suicidal

[AAO]

17. I'd prefer that he just resigned and got help for this anger.

[bemildred]

16. Let's tie the debt ceiling around his neck. nt

[King_Klonopin]

47. Even better,

If he is willing to push it over the cliff, let's tie it around his balls first.

Signed,
B. Willard

[bemildred]

54. Dragged to his death by his balls, isn't that how it is?

I like it. It has the makings of a great unpublishable political cartoon.

[Liberalynn]

18. You Paul are the one who wants to defult

you asshat.

I LOATHE THE PUKES

[Swede Atlanta]

19. There He is so stupid....

The debt ceiling is not about FUTURE debts. It is about paying for the debts the Congress and President have already approved.

While I can understand wanting to leverage this to try to reduce future expenditures and especially those that are mandated by law, this is not the way to approach it.

We need and should have a serious discussion about the future of Medicare and Social Security. There is a legitimate concern that with an aging population that is not being replaced at the same level, the ability to pay current level of benefits is going to become a challenge.

But we face some very difficult problems going forward. We need to find a way for a bridge where current younger workers begin to save more for their own retirement and that Obamacare becomes more the norm - everyone purchases insurance rather than having a defined benefit.

How that would work is a total unknown.

As well we have to understand that real wages are shrinking rapidly. So younger workers, unless they belong to the elite, are going to be making less and therefore unable to properly save for the future.

[Faygo Kid]

20. So much for their core supporters

Rand, excuse me - your supporters are almost all 65+, and no matter how much they want to crush the poor and middle class, they will never give up their Social Security or Medicare benefits.

Ever.

[corkhead]

28. Sadly, it won't matter to his 65+ followers. In their world, they got theirs.

They are more than happy to see the ladder pulled up behind them.

[ctsnowman]

59. This ^^^^

[OldHippieChick]

21. Is this when the Dems demand

to tie it to: immigration reform, gun control and free abortions for all????

I mean, sorry for my language, but Who the Fuck do they think they are???

[roamer65]

22. We should demand lifting the $108k cap and raising income tax rate to 75 pct...

...on anyone making more than $1M.

Then our funding problem will be solved.

[freshwest]

41. The cap was lifted by the ACA. The section was posted here on DU, but I didn't keep the link because

I didn't think it would come up again. I was very pleased when I read it and realized it did explain some of the opposition to the ACA. It would cost those making over $250K a goodly amount, but nothing they couldn't afford. Sorry, I can't even remember who posted it..

[YOHABLO]

76. If you are referring to the FICA tax .. $113,700: and yes this cap should be eliminated.

We really could solve a lot of problems by eliminating or either jacking it up to say $500,000. You see these are very wealthy folks we're talking about. They won't be relying on Social Security or Medicare to see them through to ultimate end. They've got money stashed away... dividends, investments. You get the picture. So they could care less. You almost never, never hear about this on MSM ..do you? Hmmm wonder why?

[freshwest]

77. MSM owned by conservative billionaires; supposedly down to 5 corporations when it used to be 50.

[AC_Mem]

23. Idiot

There needs to be a MAJOR correction starting in 2014. We need boots on the ground, volunteers calling, educating, becoming part of the solution.

I guarantee you, the GOP learned from watching OFA in 2012, we need to be very prepared. It is not too early to find your local democratic group and start to get involved. I had so much fun since 2008 doing this, being with people of like minds, all working joyfully toward a common goal.

Educate our youth, volunteer, learn about the issues both in Washington as well as locally. We make a difference, and we CAN change this course. It is up to us to make sure people do not forget the damage that the GOP has done and will continue to do to our country.

Shine on,

Annette/orlando

[Historic NY]

25. Rand Paul want to change the odds of people ever collecting...

the closer it get to the life expectancy age, the greater the chance of people dying w/o ever collecting one thin dime.

[Uncle Joe]

26. No, the Republican Party in general and Paul's ilk in particular stand for trashing those dreams.

“People have crossed oceans and come on over full, leaky boats to get here and escaped tyranny around the world,” Paul said. “But they came for freedom and they also came and found prosperity. And that dream has to be alive. And I think that dream is what the Republican Party offers.”

“I think we can help those who can’t help themselves, but the whole boat will sink if everybody is receiving from the government,” he added.

http://www.buzzfeed.com/jacobfischler/rand-paul-tie-debt-ceiling-to-raising-age-for-social-securit

The boat you cite is being steered by the Republicans in to an iceberg and you're telling the American People that only the most wealthy should have access to lifeboats.

Thanks for the thread, highplainsdem.

[cstanleytech]

27. I think we should raising the age limit people.............

but insert language making it so it only applies to those who earn more than 1 million per year otherwise the age to qualify remains the same.

[on point]

30. Better idea. Tie it repealing bush cuts for wealthy and start paying it down

[Bernardo de La Paz]

31. It's just extortion. Do NOT Reward Extortion. The answer, Mr. Paul, is NO. nt

[Cha]

32. Fuck you worrywart, rand paul.. you fucking

asshole.

[Scuba]

34. Yeah, 'cause Social Security and Medicare have added so much to our fiscal woes ....

... oh wait, I was thinking of defense spending.

[marble falls]

44. Better yet, tie Rand Paul to Ted Cruz and deep six them.

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

45. Rand Paul - hastening the extinction of his party.

[TheKentuckian]

46. How about we tie Rand to a rafter?

[jmowreader]

82. I was thinking we could hang him from the yardarm

[SunSeeker]

48. No, we should LOWER the age. That will open up jobs for the young. nt

[awoke_in_2003]

68. exactly. nt

[world wide wally]

49. If the debt ceiling is tied to anything, it should be tied to lowering the pay of arrogant senators

from Kentucky

[JI7]

50. it's almost like he is trying to Kill the Republican Party

[Warpy]

51. Fuck you, punk

YOU go out and try to dig ditches when you're 70.

[cantbeserious]

52. We All Know Where This Is Headed

eom

[Hissyspit]

53. Asshole.

[LovingA2andMI]

55. STFU

Rand Paul as NO ONE gives a flip-flying-flip what you or your Canadian buddy Ted Cruz thinks....

[Dark n Stormy Knight]

57. How about we tie the debt ceiling to taxing the 1% to pay off Dubya's wars and tax

cuts?

[KansDem]

64. Sen. Bernie Sanders puts the debt caused by Bush's war of lies...

...at $3 to $6 trillion.

Let's have Bush, Cheney, and the One Percenters pay for it!

[Dark n Stormy Knight]

66. If only we had more honest, outspoken, liberals like Bernie Sanders in Congress!

Instead we have a boatload of morons like Cruz, Gohmert, Bachman, and the rest of the American Taliban.

[Dark n Stormy Knight]

67. If only we had more honest, outspoken, liberals like Bernie Sanders in Congress!

Instead we have a boatload of buffoons like Cruz, Gohmert, Bachman, and the rest of the American Taliban.

[HockeyMom]

58. Age them out of existence

so the majority of people will be dead before they can ever collect them. That is how they will end Social Security and Medicare.

[BlueMTexpat]

60. NO! eom

[JoePhilly]

61. Sorry Rand ... Not Happening.

[Gothmog]

65. Rand Paul is an idiot

Rand Paul has to be one of the dumbest human beings on the planet. He can not help himself. He is simply too ignorant to take seriously

[JustABozoOnThisBus]

69. I might support delaying "normal" Social Security a few months ...

... in exchange for a Universal Single-Payer Health system ... and

... if there were jobs.

Employed and healthy, not a bad combination.

But to raise the Social Security age, while trying to kill the Affordable Care Act, also while handing out H1B visas like bar popcorn, that's insane.

[msanthrope]

70. This needs to be sent to every single senior who voted Republican. nt

[City Lights]

71. Go fuck yourself, Rand. nt

[Mr.Bill]

73. If I was Obama, I would say

Sure, tying the debt ceiling to the Medicare and Social Security age is a great idea. I demand the age for Medicare and Social Security be lowered to 60, or I won't sign the bill. Period.

And I would do this every time they make a demand. Just take an opposite stand as far on the other side as their demand is on their side.

[Darkhawk32]

75. Rand Paul can kiss my ass! n/t

[Turbineguy]

78. Make that a million and a quarter per minute

to cover the shutdown he and his idiot buddies engineered.

[Hubert Flottz]

79. Tie Rand Paul to a junk car and bury them both at sea...

Act like the pollution came from Japan.

[BelgianMadCow]

80. Tie Rand Paul to the debt ceiling

oh, I misread.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

81. Hey Rand? How about instead we tax your little scam anti-tax operation at 100% on a 1040FU?

[JDPriestly]

83. Rand Paul is only 50.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rand_Paul

Some people are capable of working hard at 70, but most aren't.

Somewhere between 63 and 70, people tire and while they may have better judgment than they did when they were younger, they probably won't be able to move as quickly as they did. Their memories start to fade just a bit. It's just a fact. Arthritis is a fact. Heart disease is a fact. Diabetes is a fact. Cancer is a fact. And the reason we have Medicare is that these difficult medical facts hit people over 65 more often than they do people who are younger.

Some people need to retire at 50.

And right now, there isn't a whole lot of demand for workers who are over 65. Social Security from age 65 is ideal. Even now, the age is something like 67, around that, and it is for many too late in life.

Get rid of the cap on Social Security taxes and tax capital gains at least of certain types or better yet, tax imported goods and profits from capital investments (if not already taxable as are 401(K) withdrawals at the same rate as earned income, and we could get our economy into good shape.

[lonestarnot]

84. Eat shit and die motherfucker.