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Ellipsis

(9,124 posts)
Sun Oct 13, 2013, 06:18 PM Oct 2013

Government shutdown talks hit snag in Senate (updated headline)

Last edited Sun Oct 13, 2013, 09:16 PM - Edit history (4)

Source: Washington Post

The protracted stalemate has left Congress facing twin crises: Thursday’s deadline to raise the nation’s borrowing limit or risk a potentially catastrophic debt default, and a federal government shutdown that will enter its third week Tuesday.

Republicans had hoped they could use the standoff to gain leverage in their fight with Democrats over the budget and President Obama’s healthcare law, but find themselves in a dramatically weakened position. They have failed to unify around a common negotiating position and face polls showing that the public by large margins blames them for the stalemate.

As a result, a confrontation that started with the GOP on the offensive, driving to block or delay the healthcare law, has become a defensive effort by Republicans to hold onto budget cuts they achieved over the last several years.

On one level, the remaining issues up for debate are relatively small. Republicans have conceded that they will need to vote to end the government shutdown and extend the government’s ability to borrow money. At least in the Senate, they have given up their efforts to “defund or delay” Obamacare.

Read more: http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-government-shutdown-20131013,0,3347128.story






Senate Republicans want to extend the debt ceiling for just a few weeks, but would fund government agencies for a longer period to lock in current low spending levels.

Democrats want to extend the debt ceiling until after next fall’s congressional elections, but they prefer a shorter extension of funds for government agencies. That would allow spending levels to be renegotiated before a new round of so-called sequester cuts takes effect in the new year.

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Government shutdown talks hit snag in Senate (updated headline) (Original Post) Ellipsis Oct 2013 OP
They have been saying that for days now Liberalynn Oct 2013 #1
"Today" being the operative word in Reid's quote. Ellipsis Oct 2013 #3
Oh I know he said it today Liberalynn Oct 2013 #5
...guess we'll know in less then 6 hours. n/t Ellipsis Oct 2013 #7
Is it anything like talking to the other hand Buddha_of_Wisdom Oct 2013 #2
What does that mean? That he expects a conclusion today or that the issues are before us today? Mass Oct 2013 #4
They need a verbal agreement before the market opens tomorrow. Ellipsis Oct 2013 #6
Issues before this nation melody Oct 2013 #8
I stand corrected ...I guess the market is closed Monday. Ellipsis Oct 2013 #9
The NYSE and Nasdaq are both open for trading on Columbus Day n/t melody Oct 2013 #10
Stock markets are open. Bond markets are not. Ruby the Liberal Oct 2013 #17
Thanks for the clairification Ellipsis Oct 2013 #18
Senators return on Monday at 2pm (ET) Ellipsis Oct 2013 #11
Sounds good, eh? marble falls Oct 2013 #12
'Productive'? SeattleVet Oct 2013 #13
The republicans want to put the country through this a few more times before the election. Turbineguy Oct 2013 #14
Uh oh. I smell Grand Capitulation in the works. blkmusclmachine Oct 2013 #15
kick Ellipsis Oct 2013 #16
 

Liberalynn

(7,549 posts)
1. They have been saying that for days now
Sun Oct 13, 2013, 06:22 PM
Oct 2013

I will believe it when I see it and even if they can deliver, they aren't going to get anything passed the PUKERS in the House.

The PUKERS in the House are not reasonable human beings. They want two things, to have the Dems surrender to them completely and the end of a Strong Federal Government. There is no in between for these blockheads.

 

Liberalynn

(7,549 posts)
5. Oh I know he said it today
Sun Oct 13, 2013, 06:27 PM
Oct 2013

but this isn't the first time they thought they were close only to have it fall apart. I do think there is a chance though that the Senate can get their act together but with the House being held hostage by the Tea Puking lunatics, I don't see how it changes the over all situation, though I wish it could.

 

Buddha_of_Wisdom

(373 posts)
2. Is it anything like talking to the other hand
Sun Oct 13, 2013, 06:25 PM
Oct 2013

while the rear end is doing the revolting?

Good analogy, huh?

Mass

(27,315 posts)
4. What does that mean? That he expects a conclusion today or that the issues are before us today?
Sun Oct 13, 2013, 06:26 PM
Oct 2013

It makes a huge difference, if only because they will need time to defeat the filibusters before Thursday.

Ellipsis

(9,124 posts)
6. They need a verbal agreement before the market opens tomorrow.
Sun Oct 13, 2013, 06:29 PM
Oct 2013

...would be my guess. Also I understand an there are procedural issues that Will delay any vote

Ruby the Liberal

(26,219 posts)
17. Stock markets are open. Bond markets are not.
Sun Oct 13, 2013, 09:06 PM
Oct 2013

The Fed and banks are closed as well. May be a crazy day, but I doubt trading volume will be all that high.

Ellipsis

(9,124 posts)
11. Senators return on Monday at 2pm (ET)
Sun Oct 13, 2013, 06:49 PM
Oct 2013

Senators return on Monday at 2pm (ET) for more debate on proceeding to a measure proposing to lift the debt ceiling through December 2014. Negotiations among Republicans and Democrats on Capitol Hill as well as the President continue as all parties struggle to reach an agreement to resolve the impasse over re-opening the federal government and what to do about debt ceiling.

SeattleVet

(5,477 posts)
13. 'Productive'?
Sun Oct 13, 2013, 08:25 PM
Oct 2013

Maybe like a laxative is 'productive'?

(Hell, if you gave the repukes a laxative they'd freaking disappear!)

Turbineguy

(37,337 posts)
14. The republicans want to put the country through this a few more times before the election.
Sun Oct 13, 2013, 08:33 PM
Oct 2013

They didn't get the moniker "Suicide Caucus" because they were clever and had a good plan.

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