House stenographer hauled from floor
Source: Politico
A House floor stenographer was abruptly hauled out of the chamber after charging the dais and screaming during Wednesdays late night vote on raising the debt ceiling and funding the federal government.
As the bill sailed toward final passage, the presiding lawmaker suddenly began pounding the gavel. Witnesses on the floor said the woman, who was not identified, seized a microphone and began yelling during the vote.
She was then removed from the chamber by floor staff and taken into an adjacent elevator. She continued yelling as she was taken away
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Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2013/10/house-stenographer-hauled-from-floor-98439.html
More on this can be found in the Twitter feed of Todd Zwillich, Washington correspondent for The Takeaway from Public Radio International:
https://twitter.com/toddzwillich
Audio that Zwillich posted on Soundcloud:
https://soundcloud.com/toddzwillich-1/floor1-101612-wav
Shouting that God "will not be mocked" and "you cannot serve two masters." Something about the Constitution and Freemasons.
bottomofthehill
(8,336 posts)This has been a crazy time for a lot of people and she has been at work for 14 plus hours. Low blood sugar, stress and fear of loss of insurance, there are a lot of things could be going on. Let's not rush to judgment quite so fast. Now along with everything, she is a national laughing stock and her job is in jeopardy.
Not really funny
highplainsdem
(49,013 posts)dem in texas
(2,674 posts)This lady has some problems and needs help, this outburst was not caused by low blood sugar.
Fearless
(18,421 posts)bottomofthehill
(8,336 posts)Long work day, long three weeks, possible medical condition......all quite logical and possible.
wtmusic
(39,166 posts)and he let her down, or he doesn't exist.
Ouch!
Fearless
(18,421 posts)Don't generally eat a full meal during them, work 50+ hours a week, and I've never started shouting about god and freemason conspiracy theories. I'm sorry.
bottomofthehill
(8,336 posts)And I hope you never do. But if you do, it can be quite frightening to those around you. Hopefully, it will not be on national tv with the world watching. Maybe a little compassion......maybe.
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Sweating Slurred or slow speech
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Fearless
(18,421 posts)You seem to think you know a lot about her medical well being.
bottomofthehill
(8,336 posts)How about a little compassion instead of just snide bullshit. I hope nothing ever goes wrong in your perfect little world
Fearless
(18,421 posts)Then on what basis do you make your assertions?
bottomofthehill
(8,336 posts)I am going out on a limb an taking a guess that there is a medical issue.....
Fearless
(18,421 posts)Makes you spout right wing conspiracy theories. If it did Ted Cruz and Michelle Bachmann should have been evaluated years ago.
Response to Fearless (Reply #46)
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Fearless
(18,421 posts)Tumbulu
(6,291 posts)And treated many years ago. Perhaps this is the real reason these guys were fighting like hell to keep medical insurance away from regular people, they will lose their base.
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)You realize this very thing happened to a Jet Blue airline pilot some month back yes? The sudden onset of medical conditions resulting from medications are hardly conspiracy theories... ruling them out due to biases though, is little more than dogma.
Fearless
(18,421 posts)Were regarding her Freemasons comment.
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)Which seem both irrational and unstable given the context of her position at that particular moment, which further leads me to believe that a side-effect to medication cannot be, all other things being equal, ruled out.
Fearless
(18,421 posts)She was very calm and very direct in what she said. She exhibited no manic behaviors at the time of her actions.
heaven05
(18,124 posts)lot's of lack of compassion among human beings these days. With the dangerous fiasco we've witnessed for the last few weeks especially, led by people who care nothing of hurting and denying millions of at risk people, I'm not surprised at the comments to which you're responding to. Sad, mean world we live in.
One person says maybe. You say definitely not.
What makes your opinion so definitive?
Fearless
(18,421 posts)Last edited Thu Oct 17, 2013, 07:18 AM - Edit history (1)
And for the record i haven't said she isn't some how sick. I've said that there is no sickness that causes you to spout right wing conspiracy theories and it it's insulting to those who have mental illnesses to claim so.
greiner3
(5,214 posts)However, I've had manic episodes where I was not totally responsible for my actions.
Lighten up dude!
Fearless
(18,421 posts)Lots of people have rough days. Lots of people are sick. No manic episode makes you spout right wing conspiracy theories, unless you already believed them.
Jamastiene
(38,187 posts)Never have I started shouting conspiracy theories about Freemasons and yelling that "God will not be mocked." Your explanations for this are all bullshit so far. Keep trying, I guess?
Bradical79
(4,490 posts)People in good mental health generally don't behave this way.
tomm2thumbs
(13,297 posts)and I'm guessing her native tongue was most likely FoxNews-inspired crazy-right-wing-idealogue a la mode.
with a heapin' helping of religious fanatic sprinkles on top.
Myrina
(12,296 posts)Stress and ill health, in the context of general assholery, can cause someone to snap.
Fearless
(18,421 posts)Jamastiene
(38,187 posts)would cause someone to start yelling, "God will not be mocked." That's some right wing bullshit. Getting tired does not make someone a right wing tool. It just brings out the right wing tool that was already there.
avaistheone1
(14,626 posts)Many people who have a mental breakdown who may not be particulary religious normally, will verbally start talking in religious terms that may not make sense.
get the red out
(13,468 posts)You are absolutely correct. I have seen two people close to me suffering from mental illness, bi-polar disorder to be precise, and this is exactly like one of them acted, in reference to the religiosity, when the disease first manifested. He was full-blown delusional, he doesn't even attend Church and is not particularly religious.
People on this thread shut others down because they aren't doctors, but there is no way to rule out a medical condition (and mental illness is a medical condition) until we hear some kind of confirmation as to what was going on.
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''If you want logical take the blue pill.
If you want the truth, you realize that there are no pills.''[/center]
Fearless
(18,421 posts)Logic is the use of evidence to try to understand cause. The opposite of logic is faith-to believe without evidence or in opposition to evidence.
Logically speaking she is a wingnut. The words she uses are evidence of this. Conversely she might have a medical condition that might have caused her to spout conspiracy theories that otherwise she wouldn't believe in and do so after calmly doing her job for months our years without incident up until this one day.
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)" faith-to believe without evidence or in opposition to evidence. ..
Classical definition of faith is merely 'a belief in that of which we do not posses all relevant knowledge'. For example, I have great faith in my neurologist. I do not believe my faith in him is irrational or illogical.
Fearless
(18,421 posts)Yet they are similar. You have faith in your neurologist based on past positive experiences you've had with them. Those are your facts.
Hekate
(90,749 posts)... Gawd, if I'd had to listen to that incessant GOP blather for all this time I think I'd be ready to heave the steno machine right at the Speaker of the House.
NBachers
(17,128 posts)I would be forever changed, altered, and demented.
Think about it - all this bizarre insane babble has to be processed through her ears, into her brain, and then transferred to the steno machine. It can't help but leave a trail of poison behind, to twist her system. It would break me, too.
Manifestor_of_Light
(21,046 posts)Bad vibes, free floating anger in court, whatever you want to call it.
I once had to stand up and BEG a judge for a lunch break so I wouldn't get the shakes. I had low blood sugar and some of these judges don't want to take breaks. He backed down when I said "My doctor's name is Dr. ___. His phone number is ______. Would you like to call him and talk to him? I have to eat lunch."
GoneOffShore
(17,340 posts)And the Red Bull.
Heather MC
(8,084 posts)It's too many crazies trying to drive the ship. Really time to clean house and toss some folks overboard
Schema Thing
(10,283 posts)Snake Plissken
(4,103 posts)HubertHeaver
(2,522 posts)Probably will have PTS symptoms after that ordeal.
AngryOldDem
(14,061 posts)uppityperson
(115,677 posts)SoapBox
(18,791 posts)wtmusic
(39,166 posts)"You cannot serve two masters. Praise be to God..."
Fundie nutcase.
juajen
(8,515 posts)14 Presidents have been Mason's. Of these were Washington, Jefferson, Adams, Madison. If you compare the constitution of the United States to the Masonic constitution you will find some things that are alike. Washington was buried with a Masonic funeral and was past Grand Master and Master of his lodge.
Nihil
(13,508 posts)> If you compare the constitution of the United States to the Masonic constitution
> you will find some things that are alike.
... in favour of blind irrational fundamentalism coupled with sheer greed ...
the kind that gained strength when you decided to ignore the natural (sensible)
boundary between religion & state and print partisan mottoes on your currency ...
Marrah_G
(28,581 posts)How is that for some irony...lol
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)am I totally befuddled are you all saying its the plane lady?
KinMd
(966 posts)Jamastiene
(38,187 posts)Hekate
(90,749 posts)kestrel91316
(51,666 posts)disrupt our legislative proceedings after god-knows-how-many-years of infiltration and possible sabotage.
I don't think she's mentally ill. I think she truly wants the bible to be the law of the land. We're lucky she didn't have a gun. We might not be so lucky with the next saboteur.
wtmusic
(39,166 posts)although one could argue Dominionism is a mental illness.
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)What makes you think she has an illness?
How patronizing can one get to assume that because someone acts out of purpose and conviction with which you disagree, then they must be mentally ill.
I didn't have compassion for the 9/11 hi-jackers or Timothy Mcveigh either. While those are extreme examples, I do not automatically assume that someone engaging in deliberately disruptive behavior for a cause, is mentally ill.
Are the Code Pink folks mentally ill? They get up and yell about stuff they believe. What makes this woman any different?
avaistheone1
(14,626 posts)She may be both a religious extremist and she may be mentally ill. We may have observed her have a mental break this evening.
This woman is different than Code Pink, in that she is employed by the government to take notes/stenography on the House floor. She is there to record the events that take place - Not to shape them with her own opinions. Code Pink on the other hand does not work for the government, and its purpose is:
- See more at: http://www.codepinkalert.org/article.php?list=type&type=3#sthash.PdCNeYdB.dpuf
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)And when he wanted to make a stand for his beliefs, he did so.
The updates to this are that (a) she said the Holy Spirit moved her to do it, and (b) her husband is proud of her.
This was a deliberate action out of her convictions and, no, being employed by the government does not trump religious beliefs for people who have the courage of their own convictions.
Posteritatis
(18,807 posts)That's before going into the nasty places "beliefs at odds with mine are a disease" traditionally leads in the first place. Ugh.
(At least the site's improved from a few years back, where the general assumption was that "mentally ill" and "evil" were synonymous..)
treestar
(82,383 posts)It's the way she suddenly expressed them, that make people think there's a mental issue involved.
Posteritatis
(18,807 posts)"Disagreement is a disease" is definitely a recurring theme here, especially on the hot topics of the day. It's calmed down over the years but it's still a problem.
That said, "our side" has had public outbursts like that which people are oddly reluctant to medicalize by comparison....
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)pothos
(154 posts)Is standard fare and is fully believed by many people on the right, including many elected members of congress. They just don't shout it on the floor of the House, but they sure say the same stuff to right wing radio hosts, townhalls, etc.
very enlightened crowd we've got here.
tenderfoot
(8,438 posts)dlwickham
(3,316 posts)she's a right winger
https://www.facebook.com/dianne.fosterreidy/likes_other
Jamastiene
(38,187 posts)If she's been spoon feeding herself that crap, no wonder she had her little outburst. To those defending her, if this is really her FB page, she will NOT be embarrassed by her behavior now, later, or ever. Anyone who can agree with Dobson's hate group bullshit doesn't know they should be embarrassed. They think they are right, no matter what.
dlwickham
(3,316 posts)it has a link to a stenographer page and a link the House page as well
AC_Mem
(1,979 posts)Sorry, couldn't resist
Tx4obama
(36,974 posts)They call her 'Molly' in the AUDIO clip
hamsterjill
(15,223 posts)Perhaps there is more than one stenographer; thus the name of the other stenographer in this thread? But this woman is definitely referred to as "Molly".
MelungeonWoman
(502 posts)MDMA is the main component of ecstasy. Doubt if that has anything to do with this story, just an observation.
TwilightGardener
(46,416 posts)No Vested Interest
(5,167 posts)else known about her personal history?
For instance- how did she get the job? Political influence?
If so, whose?
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)IronLionZion
(45,472 posts)tomm2thumbs
(13,297 posts)to be fair, she is lucky she has healthcare and will hopefully seek assistance with this issue
Manifestor_of_Light
(21,046 posts)Incredibly stressful job. I got to where I hated humanity most of the time from working in the courts because some of the lawyers and judges were mean and nasty.
That said, her screaming is NOT excusable. But I definitely had the urge to get up and run off screaming A LOT. Part of the stress is being around people every day who hate each other and whose emotions run high, whether it is civil or criminal court. Very bad environment.
I used to come home at night and cry from the inherent stress of my job. And mean people just made a difficult job worse.
I hope she gets some mental health care.
Ash_F
(5,861 posts)That was enlightening.
Hekate
(90,749 posts)Including that her screaming is not excusable.
This woman may be everything everyone is saying about her, but (a) her job in that environment had to suck, (b) the rush to judgment at DU was immediate and extreme given the small amount we knew at first, and (c) even people we don't like sometimes reach a breaking point and just snap.
All the furloughed workers are returning to work today -- my guess is that she is out of a job.
emsimon33
(3,128 posts)azurnoir
(45,850 posts)the Constitution was written by Free Mason's
Bernardo de La Paz
(49,020 posts)rpannier
(24,330 posts)One of the nuts has fallen from the tree and rolled into the House of Representatives
Though with some of the Republicans that are there, a whole bunch of them rolled in. Rotten nuts, but nuts just the same
BluegrassStateBlues
(881 posts)Not giving her the cover of mental breakdown.
mia
(8,361 posts)No Vested Interest
(5,167 posts)in the vein of what a Jehovah's Witness believes, especially regarding the Freemasons.
Anyone here know anything about that?
ForgoTheConsequence
(4,869 posts)This sounds more like Alex Jones meets Dan Brown horse shit. Washington was well known and well documented as a Mason so it's also dead wrong.
No Vested Interest
(5,167 posts)I knew many of the Founders were Masons.
Not sure how her statements fit in with any groups thoughts re Masonry and government, etc.
As of now, I'll just let her words be what they are and not try to interpret.
jtuck004
(15,882 posts)been patient she would eventually have gotten tired and sat down with no real effect. For this she was hauled off for a mental evaluation.
The Tea Baggers were doing their best to seriously disrupt the not only the economy of the U.S. but of the world, and they are walking around loose?
I don't use the word incongruous a lot, but those two outcomes seem strangely out of kilter.
davidthegnome
(2,983 posts)The above post pretty much wins the whole damn thread.
Jamastiene
(38,187 posts)eppur_se_muova
(36,274 posts)Very well done, too ! Mental evaluations for all Tea Baggers, it's only fair !
wordpix
(18,652 posts)Batshit crazy T-baggers walking around loose while getting paid, with gov. health care to boot, and a woman who goes bonkers hauled off to the psych ward.
Crowman1979
(3,844 posts)Jamastiene
(38,187 posts)Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)Jamastiene
(38,187 posts)They never STFU about their hatred toward others either. Too bad we can't get someone to drag them off. My hometown wouldn't be too bad then.
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)Festivito
(13,452 posts)davidpdx
(22,000 posts)*cues Twilight Zone music*
loudsue
(14,087 posts)The whole culture is sex and drugs w/in the offices, staff, lobbyists. "Inside the beltway" is its own little world.
ReRe
(10,597 posts)... in this fundamentalist "Teabagger House." Could it have been a ruse to get the fundies all riled up? I wouldn't put anything past the Teabaggers.
Ichingcarpenter
(36,988 posts)He did this before the incident.
Liberalynn
(7,549 posts)I agree it fits.
Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)cui bono
(19,926 posts)AngryOldDem
(14,061 posts)meanit
(455 posts)until somebody shows up with a bomb strapped to their chest....
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)DCBob
(24,689 posts)RainDog
(28,784 posts)'m not here to say this person is mentally ill or not. I'm not making fun of what happened and I don't know why it did and I am passing no judgment on a situation I know nothing about.
However, I do want to address this situation as understood by the religious literalists that are part of the Republican party at this time.
Here's how they frame it:
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/10/17/fox-friends-suggests-house-stenographer-targeted-for-bringing-message-from-god/
If you're not familiar with Cruz and Palin's religious orientation, it includes the idea that someone can speak words from god - any someone, and this sort of speech is inspired (and valued, as is, if they decide that's what it is.)
So, what was her warning and message? What was god telling Ted Cruz and his followers? Here's a transcription of her statement:
http://www.theatlanticwire.com/national/2013/10/stenographer-dragged-house-floor-during-vote/70632/
So, what was that message from god?
The stenographer was saying this is not a Christian nation, and any politician that says it is is lying.
So, looked at from the religious right's pov - this woman is telling them to get out of govt and go back to their churches.
I think she was speaking a truth. Whether it was from god or not, not for me to say.
But the reality is that whenever your religion gets mixed up in politics, both are going to suffer.
SummerSnow
(12,608 posts)would do that to anyone
The Stranger
(11,297 posts)And it comes a week or so after a woman inexplicably drove through barricades, with a child in the car, trying to get to the White House.
It may be the result of a dysfunctional government in some weird sociological sense. I'm not saying it's aliens or UFO's -- it is clearly psychological -- but it's not some random event.
penultimate
(1,110 posts)Sorry, I couldn't resist.
greiner3
(5,214 posts)AND watched for possible terrorist plots; well, maybe not, now that I think of it.
After all, the House IS run by people who think this way.
Sunlei
(22,651 posts)Feel sorry for her but she has great insurance.
penultimate
(1,110 posts)Beacool
(30,250 posts)Poor woman.
hamsterjill
(15,223 posts)She says the Holy Spirit has been waking her up at night.
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/holy-spirit-made-stenographer-offers-godly-excuse-bizarre-house-rant-article-1.1489524