Exclusive: NSA delayed anti-leak software at base where Snowden worked -officials
Source: Reuters
(Reuters) - The U.S. National Security Agency failed to install the most up-to-date anti-leak software at a site in Hawaii before contractor Edward Snowden went to work there and downloaded tens of thousands of highly classified documents, current and former U.S. officials told Reuters.
Well before Snowden joined Booz Allen Hamilton last spring and was assigned to the NSA site as a systems administrator, other U.S. government facilities had begun to install software designed to spot attempts by unauthorized people to access or download data.
The purpose of the software, which in the NSA's case is made by a division of Raytheon Co, is to block so-called "insider threats" - a response to an order by President Barack Obama to tighten up access controls for classified information in the wake of the leak of hundreds of thousands of Pentagon and State Department documents by an Army private to WikiLeaks website in 2010.
The main reason the software had not been installed at the NSA's Hawaii facility by the time Snowden took up his assignment there was that it had insufficient bandwidth to comfortably install it and ensure its effective operation, according to one of the officials. Due to the bandwidth issue, intelligence agencies in general moved more slowly than non-spy government units, including the Defense Department, to install anti-leak software, officials said...
[font color="darkgray"]WASHINGTON | Fri Oct 18, 2013 4:30pm EDT[/font]
Read more: http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/10/18/us-usa-security-snowden-software-idUSBRE99H10620131018
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)Our Constitution requires a subpoena based on probable cause before going through our personal documents, correspondence and things. That is one of our basic rights.
The FISA court has done a lousy job of protecting us from the surveillance.
"Inadvertent" my eye.
24601
(3,962 posts)Text: "The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized."
(Most of the below info from http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/US_Criminal_Law/Searches_without_a_warrant)
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The 4th amendment doesn't not say that search requires a warrant. Instead it says they must "reasonable".
Case law has defined multiple instances where searches don't require a warrant and that's not anything new. Included in the "no-requirement-for-warrant: category are the following: I've included relevant cases in brackets when I can scarf one up.
1. Consent
No warrant or probable cause is required to perform a search if a person with the proper authority consents to a search. The person has the right to refuse to give consent and except in limited cases may revoke consent at any point during the search.
- Schneckloth v. Bustamonte
- Lee v. United States
- Lopez v. United Stats
- Hoffa v. United States
- United States v. Herzbrun "no constitutional right to revoke his consent to a search of his bag once it entered the X-ray machine and he walked through the magnetometer"
2. Motor Vehicle Exception
- Carroll v. United States "Allows an officer to search a vehicle without a warrant as long as he has probable cause to believe that evidence or contraband is located in the vehicle."
- Wyoming v. Houghton Ownership of objects searched in the vehicle is irrelevant to search legitimacy.
- United States v. Ludwig Search warrant is not required even with little or no risk of the vehicle being driven off.
- California v. Carney Motor vehicle exception applies to a motor home. The court did however, make a distinction between readily mobile motor homes and parked mobile homes.
-United States v. Forrest applied the exception to boats and in United States v. Hill to house boats.
-United States v. Nigro and United States v. Montgomery the motor vehicle exception was found to also include airplanes.
3. Emergency Exception
Allows officers to enter and search a residence in certain circumstances when these circumstances prevent them from obtaining a search warrant or consent. The courts commonly apply a test known as the Mitchell Test in determining if an emergency search was valid. This test requires the officer to have had reasonable grounds to believe that there was an emergency and an immediate need for police assistance, the search was not motivated primarily by an intent to arrest or seize evidence and there must have been a reasonable basis approximating probable cause to believe the area searched was associated with the emergency
- Minnesota v. Olsen Preventing escape was found to be a valid emergency circumstance.
- United States v. Santana Preventing the destruction of evidence and the hot pursuit of a criminal suspect are valid reasons to conduct an emergency search.
- Warden v. Hayden Established warrantless searches to prevent harm to the officers or others.
- Thompson v. Louisiana and Mincey v. Arizona Officer may enter and search a residence in order to render immediate aid to a person in need of assistance.
4. Plain View Doctrine
Allows an officer to seize without a warrant, evidence and contraband found in plain view during a lawful observation.
5. Open Fields
-Hester v. United States Fourth Amendment does not protect open fields and therefore there are no requirements for warrants or probable cause. Police may perform warrantless searches of open fields even if this search would amount to trespassing.
-Oliver v. United States Abandoned effects, refuse, and public places are not be protected by the Fourth Amendment.
6. Nation's borders
Searches made along the nation's borders were authorized by the First Congress , in The Act of July 31, 1789. These searches can be made without a warrant, probable cause, or even some degree of suspicion.
- United States v. Ramsey Searches made at the border, pursuant to the longstanding right of the sovereign to protect itself by stopping and examining persons and property crossing into this country, are reasonable simply by virtue of the fact that they occur at the border, should, by now, require no extended demonstration "People at immigration points may be searched and be held for up to 16 hours on reasonable suspicion alone. Searches performed near but not at the nation's borders however, are not included.'
(my added - not from web site) ***Big issue kind at the heart of much current debate - What's the application to data crossing the national border?***
7. Crime Scenes
The scene can and must be preserved while the warrant is being sought and everything seen while in the residence is admissible as probable cause.
8. Prison
-Hudson v. Palmer Fourth Amendment proscription against unreasonable searches does not apply within the confines of the prison cell.
9. Probation
- Griffin v. Wisconsin Neither warrant nor probable cause is required to search the home of a person on probation provided reasonable grounds for a search exists.
10. Searches Incident to a Lawful Arrest
- Chimel v. California Officer may perform a warrantless search during or immediately after a lawful arrest. This search is limited to only the person arrested and the area immediately surrounding the person in which the person may gain possession of a weapon or destroy or hide evidence
11. Searches of Public School Students
- New Jersey v. T.L.O While the Fourth Amendment to apply to searches conducted by public school officials because school officials act as representatives of the State, not merely as surrogates for the parents. But also, the school setting requires some easing of the restrictions to which searches by public authorities are ordinarily subject. "Neither the warrant requirement nor the probable cause standard applied, rather a reasonableness standard is used. In order for the search to be valid reasonable grounds for suspecting that the search will turn up evidence that the student has violated or is violating either the law or the rules of the school. Additionally searches must, not (be) excessively intrusive in light of the age and sex of the student and the nature of the infraction or discriminatory on the basis of age, sex, or race."
12. Warrantless Interceptions of Communications
- Hoffa v. United States "Use of informants to capture the contents of conversations, does not violate the other party's Fourth Amendment rights and Fourth Amendment protections do not apply to a wrongdoers misplaced belief that a person to whom he voluntarily confides his wrongdoing will not reveal it."
- Lopez v. United States Tapes (of attempted bribe) admissible because the agent was one of the parties in the recorded conversations.
- United States v. White (I)f the conduct and revelations of an agent operating without electronic equipment do not invade the defendants constitutionally justifiable expectations of privacy, neither does a simultaneous recording of the same conversations made by the agent."
- United States v. Longoria Law enforcement may use individuals to record conversations they are a party to, or overhear, even if they do not understand the conversation.
13. Intercept for Foreign Intelligence Purposes: (Note that this is derived via a different article. The URL is: http://www.ask.com/wiki/Warrantless_searches_in_the_United_States?o=2801&qsrc=999&ad=doubleDown&an=apn&ap=ask.com)
In re: Sealed Case No. 02-001, the United States Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court of Review:
"...the President did have inherent authority to conduct warrantless searches to obtain foreign intelligence information. It was incumbent upon the court, therefore, to determine the boundaries of that constitutional authority in the case before it."
"...FISA could not encroach on the President's constitutional power...."
"...Even without taking into account the President's inherent constitutional authority to conduct warrantless foreign intelligence surveillance, we think the procedures and government showings required under FISA, if they do not meet the minimum Fourth Amendment warrant standards, certainly come close. We, therefore, believe firmly, applying the balancing test drawn from Keith, that FISA as amended is constitutional because the surveillances it authorizes are reasonable."
"The "balancing test drawn from Keith" is a reference to United States v. U.S. District Court, in which the Supreme Court of the United States established a legal test to determine whether the primary use of the warrantless search was to collect foreign intelligence, as per presidential authority, or whether that primary use is to gather evidence for use in a criminal trial."
Now for the next part of the 4th Amendment. Agree that if a search does require a warrant, that warrant requires a showing of probably cause.
Indi Guy
(3,992 posts)...every request it receives.
24601
(3,962 posts)example that was not from the FISA Court but the next level up, the FISA Court of Review - one step below SCOTUS. It pointed out that the President's authority was inherent to those delegated by the Constitution's Article II and suggested that the FISA law itself may be an unconstitutional infringement on those authorities.
But in the larger context, the exceptions I posted provided information on settled law that there are multiple categories of searches that require neither warrants nor probable cause. The Constitutional standard is whether a search is reasonable. A significant number of DU members have either not understood settled law or have simply chosen to disregard it in favor of what they would rather it be.
No disrespect intended, really. But it's one of those areas where everyone certainly is entitled to their personal opinion, but not entitled to their own facts regarding the law.
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)12. Warrantless Interceptions of Communications
- Hoffa v. United States "Use of informants to capture the contents of conversations, does not violate the other party's Fourth Amendment rights and Fourth Amendment protections do not apply to a wrongdoers misplaced belief that a person to whom he voluntarily confides his wrongdoing will not reveal it."
- Lopez v. United States Tapes (of attempted bribe) admissible because the agent was one of the parties in the recorded conversations.
- United States v. White (I)f the conduct and revelations of an agent operating without electronic equipment do not invade the defendants constitutionally justifiable expectations of privacy, neither does a simultaneous recording of the same conversations made by the agent."
- United States v. Longoria Law enforcement may use individuals to record conversations they are a party to, or overhear, even if they do not understand the conversation.
None of those cases permit the NSA to listen in on conversations or take information from a person's computer use, e-mails, etc. without a reasonable purpose.
And yet that is what the NSA is doing. They are simply capturing massive amounts of information and correlating it with really fast computers so that they can profile anyone they choose. They should need to get a warrant based on particular, meaning specific, facts to justify their surveillance because it should be limited to real investigations. The NSA should not be collecting generally information about people who are not being investigated. The NSA should not be analyzing with electronic equipment information about people who are being investigated.
The potential in what they are doing in this area is frightful. I think a lot of people haven't seen or worked with databases that collect a lot of information of this sort. It is awesome and far too expansive to entrust to the government.
I understand the need to focus on specific individuals in criminal investigations or because of terrorist or dangerous extremist links. I am not an anarchist. I have a lot of faith in democracy and our Constitution.
But I know where this overreaching surveillance is leading. I don't know whether you read what the ACLU said about the potential for blackmail by the NSA of individuals including people in our state and federal legislatures. That is a real threat.
This surveillance could be very dangerous to our country if placed in the wrong hands. Would you like a Ted Cruz in the White House to use this capacity? I would not. I do not think that any individual should have this capacity. It is just far greater than people realize.
Indi Guy
(3,992 posts)There is little historical precedent for any government to voluntarily abdicate any power, once gained. So it is incumbent upon us to insist that our government agencies respect the law of the land, which is our Constitution. Who's going to keep them in check if we don't? Isn't this supposed to be our government (of, by, and for the people)?
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)(As always.)
Thanks!
Ash_F
(5,861 posts)Just another way in which the minority of Republicans hold the majority of power in this country.
Downwinder
(12,869 posts)an internal web server as reported earlier.
stonecutter357
(12,697 posts)Agnosticsherbet
(11,619 posts)and a good story.
stonecutter357
(12,697 posts)Agnosticsherbet
(11,619 posts)are fiction.
Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)Ash_F
(5,861 posts)People are in love with the dreamy fantasy of the tough guy who will protect them from 'those people'.
But the reality is that these tough guys are real fuckers who focus most of their energy on their 'own people'. Hence we have the story about NSA agents who use their tools to spy on their girlfriends.
http://www.slate.com/blogs/future_tense/2013/09/27/loveint_how_nsa_spies_snooped_on_girlfriends_lovers_and_first_dates.html
stonecutter357
(12,697 posts)I am not afraid of the NSA and i don't need you telling me i should be.
Ash_F
(5,861 posts)...because that is downright creepy and abusive.
stonecutter357
(12,697 posts)I would bet no one on DU will ever see a nsa agent.They are not coming after us.
Ash_F
(5,861 posts)The price of freedom!
TheBlackAdder
(28,216 posts)You have a spying facility that scanning through terabytes of data and they can't even ESD a software file?
I bet they didn't have any problems accessing YouTube videos and downloading NetFlix movies.
cosmicone
(11,014 posts)Considering the scope and extent of the spying operation, terrabytes is nothing. They probably handle one yotta bytes a day.
(Yotta = 1000x Zetta = 1000x Exa = 1000x Peta = 1000x Terra = 1000x Giga)
Bandwidth is a lame excuse indeed since one can get an OC248 connection commercially in Hawai'i.
The total database size would be in sorta bytes. (not an abbreviation of "sort of"
shawn703
(2,702 posts)I work for the government at a different agency, and Hawaii and the other OCONUS sites present bandwidth issues for us too. It's probably not the installation of the software causing the issue, but the amount of data that needs to get transmitted between Hawaii and its destination in the mainland.
Sunlei
(22,651 posts)Kind of late now to install Obama ordered "anti-leak software". The entire complex should be shut-down for audit.
NSA needs audit and expose what outside interests were stealing files.
I do not believe that new hire Snowden was the only employee who took files. BTW who the heck got him those jobs in the first place.
seabeckind
(1,957 posts)Just why was a private citizen allowed access to an extremely sensitive site?
Just why was no one accountable for his actions?
If you don't fix the cause of the problem, it will just continue to occur.
And forget the argument that there is no gov't expertise to do the job. Because then the question is:
why isn't there?
Maybe the same guy who gave Snowden the access is the one who prevents the gov't from having that gov't expertise.