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onehandle

(51,122 posts)
Wed Nov 6, 2013, 11:11 AM Nov 2013

Gun Ownership And Racist Attitudes Are Linked, Study Finds

Source: Huffington Post



Are you a white gun owner? You're more likely to be a racist than if you weren't packing heat.

That's what researchers found in a study published by the journal Plos One, which linked racial prejudice to firearm ownership in America.

A research team led by Dr. Kerry O’Brien, a professor of behavioral studies at Australia's Monash University, examined attitudes about gun control and race using data from the American National Election Study, a survey conducted before and after presidential elections.

The researchers found that "for each 1 point increase in symbolic racism there was a 50% increase in the odds of having a gun at home," as well as "a 28% increase in support for permits to carry concealed handguns."

Read more: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/11/05/gun-ownership-racism_n_4220727.html

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Gun Ownership And Racist Attitudes Are Linked, Study Finds (Original Post) onehandle Nov 2013 OP
I am shocked ..... just shocked! Botany Nov 2013 #1
omfg that pic is killin me!! lol CarrieLynne Nov 2013 #5
am so glad that recycling is a big part of that guy's existence UpInArms Nov 2013 #29
That's not recycling, it's just the breakfast dishes... Thor_MN Nov 2013 #32
Ya think?? lunasun Nov 2013 #2
That is obvious to everyone, even most gun cultists (although most won't admit it). Hoyt Nov 2013 #3
+1. (nt) Paladin Nov 2013 #6
Most definitely. n/t Judi Lynn Nov 2013 #20
This message was self-deleted by its author hack89 Nov 2013 #4
And "IF" they wear a Badge what do you call them FreakinDJ Nov 2013 #7
Exactly. AtheistCrusader Nov 2013 #8
They believe they get extra points if the dog is black too. Ava Gadro Nov 2013 #35
"Gots ta defend m'self 'n' mah wimminfolk from them neegrahs Aristus Nov 2013 #9
Having spent time in gun ranges and on gun internet forums... Deep13 Nov 2013 #10
I have spent time there as well and I notice much the same as you Populist_Prole Nov 2013 #16
Childhood Story hollowdweller Nov 2013 #11
a week before the shooting in Sandy Hook passiveporcupine Nov 2013 #21
How to pass gun control laws jeff47 Nov 2013 #12
Brilliant, I did not know about that! MillennialDem Nov 2013 #13
That was before every black man got tased just for stepping outdoors. nt valerief Nov 2013 #15
This does not surprise me at all... Swede Atlanta Nov 2013 #14
They buy BIG guns AAO Nov 2013 #18
Aren't both linked to Population Density One_Life_To_Give Nov 2013 #17
"Gun Ownership And Racist Attitudes Are Linked, Study Finds." Really?? demosincebirth Nov 2013 #19
Yeah, but... mpcamb Nov 2013 #24
I think it was a useless waste of money. People who are stupid do not know they're stupid...not demosincebirth Nov 2013 #30
I agree... mpcamb Nov 2013 #31
Holy Cow! BillyRibs Nov 2013 #22
They really didn't need to spend money on a study to know this. nt kelliekat44 Nov 2013 #23
I suspect this is another study designed to find what the researchers wanted to find happyslug Nov 2013 #25
add cowardice too Skittles Nov 2013 #26
And body odor. nt hack89 Nov 2013 #27
Quelle surprise. Arugula Latte Nov 2013 #28
article does not say what percentage of white gun owners is racist Novel style Nov 2013 #33
That is one of the more annoying things I have read lately. Adam-Bomb Nov 2013 #34
So find a study out there Le Taz Hot Nov 2013 #36
Riiight, a "study." Okay. Adam-Bomb Nov 2013 #37
Well, "studies" are what scientists do. Le Taz Hot Nov 2013 #38
No, I "studied" the study, all right. Adam-Bomb Nov 2013 #39
I never called you an idiot. Le Taz Hot Nov 2013 #40
I don't need a "study" to "know" that the "white guys" at "gun rights rallies"... onehandle Nov 2013 #43
You need "study" for this? (nt) question everything Nov 2013 #41
Gun ownership and white supremacism go hand in hand mwrguy Nov 2013 #42
What sort of conclusions do they draw about black and asian gun owners? Quantess Nov 2013 #44
In other news, water is still wet Arkana Nov 2013 #45

UpInArms

(51,284 posts)
29. am so glad that recycling is a big part of that guy's existence
Thu Nov 7, 2013, 01:36 PM
Nov 2013

he's gonna need something to fall back on financially.

lunasun

(21,646 posts)
2. Ya think??
Wed Nov 6, 2013, 11:32 AM
Nov 2013

Te Radical White is the big stockpiler sector imo

Wonder how many more had to have one more or two after 2008 because well you know.....

America 2013 - Love it or Leave it !

Response to onehandle (Original post)

Aristus

(66,462 posts)
9. "Gots ta defend m'self 'n' mah wimminfolk from them neegrahs
Wed Nov 6, 2013, 12:34 PM
Nov 2013

what wants ta gits alla the white wimmin they can!..."

Redneck nightmare...

Deep13

(39,154 posts)
10. Having spent time in gun ranges and on gun internet forums...
Wed Nov 6, 2013, 01:00 PM
Nov 2013

...I find the racism to be extremely obvious, but thinly coded. Most of those folks claim they are not racists and may even believe it. Yet, they construct "normal" as white, Christian, straight, rural or at least suburban, uneducated, and male. Yes, some of their best friends are black or Latino/a. Yes, they don't care if you're black, white, yellow, or purple with pink dots. None of that stops poor people from being lazy parasites, the president from being a Muslim, socialist, foreigner, liberal women from being "skanks," gays from being every sin in the calendar, city dwellers as lawless, and Muslims from being all terrorists. Plus, the justification for having guns beyond strictly sporting varieties is fear of a constructed "other."

Populist_Prole

(5,364 posts)
16. I have spent time there as well and I notice much the same as you
Wed Nov 6, 2013, 02:22 PM
Nov 2013

I enjoy recreational shooting but I seem to be the only one of my friends and acquaintances that didn't turn into a paranoid gun nut after president Obama was elected; much to their annoyance. Yes, the "normal" bar has been raised to mean white & rural and with a faux "rugged individualism". Most of them were born and raised in large metro areas if not inner city, became "white flight" suburbanites but eventually moved to the country and now even those among them who were born from immigrant parents act like they're Daniel Boone and John Wayne rolled into one.

 

hollowdweller

(4,229 posts)
11. Childhood Story
Wed Nov 6, 2013, 01:04 PM
Nov 2013

OK so I grew up in a gun loving family, both target shooting, collecting and hunting. Still enjoy.

So when I was a kid my dad would take me on Sunday out to this gunsmith's place to go shooting.

He had a range set up by his shop and was pals with my grandad and I'd get to shoot and hang out with all the old guys talking guns.

This was early 70's so not much going on with gun control then, but one day the subject came up.

Just for the record my dad is a total liberal and very non prejudiced.

Anyway so we are setting there and it's me, a kid of about 12, my dad maybe 30 at the time? My grandad and the old gunsmith.

So the old gunsmith says:

"We need our guns for protection. What would happen right now if a carload of big black bucks pulled up and wanted to fight?????? A kid, one young guy and 2 old men. We'd be helpless"


So on the way home my first question to my dad is "What is a black buck"?? He explained it was a racist term referring to black men.
We both laughed that the old gunsmith was concerned about blacks attacking him since basically no black people probably lived within 50 miles of where he lived. But there it is.

passiveporcupine

(8,175 posts)
21. a week before the shooting in Sandy Hook
Wed Nov 6, 2013, 07:56 PM
Nov 2013

Because of some of the recent mass shootings, I had a discussion with a cousin, whose husband was a hunter, about why they needed multiple guns in the home. She said they needed them for protection, and that she was going to learn to shoot one. She is 65 years old now, so she's lived this long without using a gun for self-protection. They live in a nice neighborhood, in a nice home, and in a town that has a racial demographic of almost 94% white. But they think they need guns for protection?

I will always wonder if Sandy Hook changed her mind at all. I doubt it.

It takes a very long time to change people who have been raised to think conservatively.

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
12. How to pass gun control laws
Wed Nov 6, 2013, 01:24 PM
Nov 2013

Arm the minorities.

It was the Black Panthers that lead to the round of gun control in the 60s. Arming the hell out of "those people" would still be quite effective.

 

Swede Atlanta

(3,596 posts)
14. This does not surprise me at all...
Wed Nov 6, 2013, 01:45 PM
Nov 2013

My sense is that as the white, aging, male, evangelical population discerns they are no longer in control and that their place in our society will soon be as members of a minority, they cling for things that give them protection.

If they cannot outwardly discriminate against blacks, Jews, Hispanics, queers, handicapped people, they become angry. They cling to their weapons which are (a) surrogate big dicks and (b) perceived as offering them protection

Once these old dicks die off this tendency will diminish.............

One_Life_To_Give

(6,036 posts)
17. Aren't both linked to Population Density
Wed Nov 6, 2013, 03:04 PM
Nov 2013

Gun ownership is also linked with low population density along with a lack of diversity. In this case it's likely more than just racism causes people to own firearms.

mpcamb

(2,878 posts)
24. Yeah, but...
Wed Nov 6, 2013, 11:50 PM
Nov 2013

I'm glad someone did the research and posted the numbers and publicly made the claim.
I worked in medicine for a lot of years and know there are scads of pointless studies.
While it carries no surprises it's not a bad thing to have on the shelf.

demosincebirth

(12,543 posts)
30. I think it was a useless waste of money. People who are stupid do not know they're stupid...not
Fri Nov 8, 2013, 02:42 PM
Nov 2013

saying that all gun owners are stupid. Many here on DU are pretty smart and sensible

mpcamb

(2,878 posts)
31. I agree...
Sat Nov 9, 2013, 12:33 AM
Nov 2013

It's like "Study Shows Water Remains Moist".
I read a lot of studies that proved their drug worked better than placebo, and in the end who cares? Does it work better than what we're currently using is closer to a valid question.
Still, I'd hope that this study can be pointed to as research connecting two disparate issues- guns and racism. If it can, maybe it's not money down the toilet.
Having said that I can't help recalling all the pointless "research" medical centers did at the behest of drug companies to make some lame-ass product look 1% better than the competition in a lame-ass study with questionable statistics.

 

BillyRibs

(787 posts)
22. Holy Cow!
Wed Nov 6, 2013, 09:23 PM
Nov 2013

I noticed this but never put 2+2 together. Now a lot of this makes more sense. I know folks like this and they are carful as to how they express racist attitudes. IE.. "when they can't buy anything with their snap cards and they(reads black folks) have looted all the stores. they will flood out of the city and into the country side, to rob, steal, and plunder. that's why I keep guns." this is a direct quote from someone I know. Wow, thank you for posting this.

 

happyslug

(14,779 posts)
25. I suspect this is another study designed to find what the researchers wanted to find
Thu Nov 7, 2013, 02:47 AM
Nov 2013

Now, setting up a study to find something is normal. Thus a good study could be had by first proposing that if you tend to be pro gun you tend to be more racist, but the author of the study has to take precautions that the prejudices they bring into the study does not affect the study. The best way is to acknowledge such prejudiced when the study is considered.

I bring this up for the report clearly shows greater violence and racism and connection between the two as you deal with people as you go South. To a degree that is true, but it also shows that the study did have some pre study prejudice before the study was even started.

On top of this prejudice creeps in the nature of the question asked for example one of the question in this report:

"For example, in the symbolic racism section, participants were asked, "“How well does the word ‘violent’ describe most blacks?” on a scale of 1 to 5."

That question implies that the terms "Blacks" also mean "violent", the only restriction is how violent are blacks? By the very nature of that question you are asking people to say they are prejudice. It is a very bad question for it implies what you expect the answer to be.

Another question has the same problem:

Participants were also shown statements from the Symbolic Racism Scale, such as "Generations of slavery and discrimination have created conditions that make it difficult for Blacks to work they way out of the lower class?" and asked to what extent they agreed.

If you agree with that statement are you prejudice or just acknowledging facts? i.e Even the most racists would agree Blacks had had a problem prior to the 1960s, but many do not think so today, does that make such a person a racist? It is better the the first question, but not by much.

On top of the problem with the questions, you have the problem of Southern Rural History, Souther Rural History, is both racist AND violent. In the days of Slavery they were interconnected but also independent. The whole south was noted to be violent. In fact prior to the 1960s the Major cities of the US had lower then national average murder rates do to how high was the Southern Rural Murder Rate was. Some of this was racist, some of it was just violent.

Other studies have shown Southern Males tend to be more naturally violent then Northern males. The Experiment required a person to walk down a hallway with various sensors on. They were told that they had to go to another room for the actual study, but in the hallway they were bumped. What the body went through at that point was the experiment. Southern Males shows a grated tendency to go to a fight mood, in place of the Northern Students tendency to go to a laugh it off mood. This follows other studies that showed a greater tendency to acts of violence among Southern Whites. This tendency was noted in the Colonial period.

Now, some of that greater tendency to violence is tied in with what was expected of white southerns during the days of Slavery and Segregation (The Southern Sheriff "patrols", where every white male had to participate in every month, tended to be where white males meet and watched for run away slaves. They were permitted to do act of violence against Slaves (or any other person of "Color&quot including killing them. How much this tradition survives in the rural South today is debatable, but it still survives. Note it is acts of violence NOT only against people of Color but each other and other whites.

Thus the Rural South is both Racist and Violent. The real issue is how much are these two things connected today? I can make the argument that they is little or no connection, but both survive among the same people.

Now, that such violence would make the connection of gun ownership and racism in the South is easy to see, for in the South they use to be connected (and may still be connected to a degree). On the other hand, how does this affect the over all study, for it also includes NORTHERN MALES who own guns. The Southern Traditions could make a clear connection, and that connection would make the whole report show a connection between Racism and Gun Ownership in the US as a whole, even if areas outside the South have no such connections. i.e the prejudice of the South makes a report that does NOT separate the Southern and Northern Traditions invalid, for such a report would show a connection do to the clear massive connection in the Southern Tradition, even if elsewhere they is no connection.

Worse, internal immigration would have to be taken into consideration, The Auto Industry, imported People from the South to work in the then new auto factories around Detroit starting in the 1920s. The Older Northern Steel and Coal Industry also recruited from the South starting in the 1920s. Thus huge areas around Pittsburgh and Detroit have a much more Southern Attitude then they did in the 1800s.

Just comments that this report has problems and when we read it accept its problems and do not try to make more of this study then it really shows.

Adam-Bomb

(90 posts)
34. That is one of the more annoying things I have read lately.
Sat Nov 9, 2013, 10:56 PM
Nov 2013

So I'm a dirty, stinking racist since I am white guy who owns firearms? Really?

And some of you folks believe this crap?

Adam-Bomb

(90 posts)
37. Riiight, a "study." Okay.
Sun Nov 10, 2013, 10:14 AM
Nov 2013

Sure, and I put as much faith in "studies" as I do in my ability to levitate.

The OP WAS a study, complete with loaded questions that guaranteed
a desired response.

Broad brush accusations like this are untrue and annoying as hell.

Don't like firearms? Fine, I have no problems with that.

But to believe that ALL white gun owners harbor racist tendencies indicates
a belief in stereotypes, something I thought was frowned upon here at DU.

Are SOME white firearms owners racist? I guarantee it.
Are some BLACK firearms owners racist? I guarantee it. The law of averages
insure it.

I *could* make a lot of baseless broad brush accusations, too. But I know better
than to lump folks together based upon the actions and/or tendencies of a few.

Give it a break, folks. It's the kind of belief I associate with ignorant people.

Le Taz Hot

(22,271 posts)
38. Well, "studies" are what scientists do.
Sun Nov 10, 2013, 10:21 AM
Nov 2013

You claim it had "loaded questions." Did you actually research the study? I'm guessing not since you don't believe in studies so your "conclusion" is based on a knee-jerk reaction which is certainly more scientific than a study.

We have a gungeon on DU where I'm sure you'd be welcomed. Not a whole lot of people in there believe in science either. But they just lerve lerve lerve their penis extenders, er, guns.

Adam-Bomb

(90 posts)
39. No, I "studied" the study, all right.
Sun Nov 10, 2013, 12:40 PM
Nov 2013

I can read and I know crap when I see it. Those folks were making a
"statement" to fit their agenda just as surely as I'm sitting here.

I wonder if they would care to make some more "studies" only this time
target male Black gun owners, or women-of-all-races gun owners, and see
what the results are. Care to wager on the outcome of THOSE studies?
Would the reason THEY own firearms be more racist, or less? Or would
the reasons they own firearms be as varied as all the other millions of
other gun-owning folks out there?

I am aware of the "gungeon" here at DU, and I am aware of the biases
and the childish name-calling that passes for discussion among some
folks here, too.

You don't even know me and yet you call me an idiot and declare
firearms are "penis extenders"? Really? That's VERY scientific. Bra-VO.

Le Taz Hot

(22,271 posts)
40. I never called you an idiot.
Sun Nov 10, 2013, 12:45 PM
Nov 2013

And I'll use whatever terms I choose. Today, penis extenders, tomorrow, perhaps gun-humpers. Stay tuned.

onehandle

(51,122 posts)
43. I don't need a "study" to "know" that the "white guys" at "gun rights rallies"...
Mon Nov 11, 2013, 08:38 AM
Nov 2013

...are also "teabaggers," who's very existence coincides with the election of a "black president."

mwrguy

(3,245 posts)
42. Gun ownership and white supremacism go hand in hand
Mon Nov 11, 2013, 01:35 AM
Nov 2013

It's possible to have one without the other, but not probable.

Quantess

(27,630 posts)
44. What sort of conclusions do they draw about black and asian gun owners?
Mon Nov 11, 2013, 10:41 AM
Nov 2013

Are they also more racist, according to the study? Just wondering.

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