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Cali_Democrat

(30,439 posts)
Thu Mar 1, 2012, 04:14 PM Mar 2012

Sheriff Arpaio: Obama birth certificate a ‘forgery’

Source: Washington Times

PHOENIX — Maricopa County Sheriff Joe Arpaio said Thursday he suspects the birth certificate President Obama released designed to prove his U.S. citizenship last year is a forgery.

“A six-month long investigation conducted by my cold case posse has lead me to believe there is probable cause to believe that President Barack Obama’s long-form birth certificate released by the White House on April 27, 2011, is a computer-generated forgery,” the long-time sheriff, who has regularly battled the administration, said.

Sheriff Arpaio said at least two crimes were committed in his view through the forgery.

He released a 10-page report detailing what his investigators said were “inconsistencies” in the text characters of the birth certificate image the White House released, and also questioned details of the computer file itself.

Read more: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/mar/1/sheriff-arpaio-obama-birth-certificate-forgery/



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Sheriff Arpaio: Obama birth certificate a ‘forgery’ (Original Post) Cali_Democrat Mar 2012 OP
This man should be kicked out of office. southernyankeebelle Mar 2012 #1
He should just be kicked. randome Mar 2012 #20
Is there no law against this type of relentless harrassement? I'm asking. jhrobbins Mar 2012 #200
No--Bill Clinton can tell you all about it. MADem Mar 2012 #203
Actually, both. In and out. TheCowsCameHome Mar 2012 #25
He's what we call a visual learner: freshwest May 2012 #214
i can't believe he's still in office! barbtries Mar 2012 #39
What is scary to me is the racist he is. If a person of color would go before him right off the southernyankeebelle Mar 2012 #61
Debunking Joe GreatGrey Mar 2012 #150
I love TheFogBow nxylas Mar 2012 #161
Hey GG jberryhill Mar 2012 #188
While you guys are playing "shoot the messenger"(heck, I don't like him either),... webDude Mar 2012 #191
This man has is against the president because the DOJ has an on going investigation southernyankeebelle Mar 2012 #198
and his point is he viewed pres. obama's certified copy of the birth certificate on the computer newspeak Mar 2012 #209
The post-911 certificate I had to get for travel looks funny too. If I'm not legal, freshwest May 2012 #212
Did anyone expect anything less? nt bakpakr Mar 2012 #2
We already knew the KKK doesn't like dark skinned people. Dawson Leery Mar 2012 #3
CORRECT!!! Skittles Mar 2012 #10
Meanwhile, in related news, a decades long search for Arpaio's brain has come up empty. Denninmi Mar 2012 #4
And his birth certificate is missing too... RoccoR5955 Mar 2012 #67
I did not read the link (too early) dotymed Mar 2012 #167
Don't you know... IOKIYAR??? RoccoR5955 Mar 2012 #186
Uh huh. Wait Wut Mar 2012 #5
The prelude to this suggested he was in the OTHER birther camp... brooklynite Mar 2012 #6
I have video proving what they say: freshwest May 2012 #213
And the Moonie Times Reports this as Front-Page "News" AndyTiedye Mar 2012 #7
When will this paper be treated as it deserves kenfrequed Mar 2012 #58
Don't you mean as bird cage liner or fishwrap. hobbit709 Mar 2012 #73
It Might be Too Toxic for That AndyTiedye Mar 2012 #185
+++++ mopinko Mar 2012 #183
He used county resources for this 'investigation'? Richardo Mar 2012 #8
Sounds like a good spot to cut the budget. Obviously there's a lot of extra $$$ in there for Arpaio. Bozita Mar 2012 #38
Precisely. Sounds like a lot of wasted tax dollars from a "fiscal conservative." Lucky Luciano Mar 2012 #53
He claims they are volunteering time - no tax $$ spedtr90 Mar 2012 #100
Shocked! Shocked I say. n/t Bonhomme Richard Mar 2012 #9
Oh look, what's that? A PAPER COPY of the Birth Certificate? KDLarsen Mar 2012 #11
Just never ending stupidity from that one. timesup Mar 2012 #12
The only good thing to come from this KDLarsen Mar 2012 #13
his "cold case posse" auburngrad82 Mar 2012 #14
I think "Potty posse" has a better ring n/t KDLarsen Mar 2012 #17
yes oldhippydude Mar 2012 #31
You know, perhaps we should give him the benefit of the doubt and consider his evidence. byronius Mar 2012 #15
Post removed Post removed Mar 2012 #16
Oh, there's plenty to watch snooper2 Mar 2012 #21
How do they think any Bureau of Vital Statistics sends anyone their birth certificate if not by appleannie1 Mar 2012 #54
These people live their entire lives in the state if not town in which JDPriestly Mar 2012 #85
The "original" birth certificate given to parents HeiressofBickworth Mar 2012 #134
Thanks. JDPriestly Mar 2012 #199
+1--'Awww, look at the widdle footprints' is not a valid document! nt MADem Mar 2012 #204
Exactly meeksgeek Mar 2012 #175
I must be missing something pennylane100 Mar 2012 #57
"Would have been happy to clear...." louis-t Mar 2012 #18
Did he serisly say his cold case "posse"? Amaril Mar 2012 #19
Yes, he actually has a posse... phantom power Mar 2012 #32
Volunteer posse my ars xtraxritical Mar 2012 #112
Yup. And on holidays they ride in parades. jtuck004 Mar 2012 #43
+1 freshwest May 2012 #211
Right-wing racist thug does not find for Black President. onehandle Mar 2012 #22
We would like more information KDLarsen Mar 2012 #23
Shut your holster.... Aviation Pro Mar 2012 #24
Who was the dude with the mustache? BlueDemKev Mar 2012 #26
One of the potty posse members KDLarsen Mar 2012 #29
This is fuckin' blatant slander.... BlueDemKev Mar 2012 #37
Agreed KDLarsen Mar 2012 #48
Jesus H. Christ! Does the lunacy never stop? Comrade Grumpy Mar 2012 #27
The T-Rex was the last dinosaur to die out...... BlueDemKev Mar 2012 #28
If Arpaio is a dinosaur, then there is still hope for us... Tyrs WolfDaemon Mar 2012 #94
Ten page report, four words per page. Who helped him? TheCowsCameHome Mar 2012 #30
YouTube KDLarsen Mar 2012 #36
bring real proof or shut your fucking mouth DisgustipatedinCA Mar 2012 #33
on edit nvm steve2470 Mar 2012 #34
If sh*t could take a crap, there would be a pile of Joe Arpaio in the toilet. marmar Mar 2012 #35
When are federal marshals going to take this man into custody? Hugabear Mar 2012 #40
As soon as his spacecraft comes back into the atmosphere. TheCowsCameHome Mar 2012 #47
then serve a warrant or shut the fuck frylock Mar 2012 #41
Yes and Obama used a time machine to go back and call into the Dept. of Health .... Botany Mar 2012 #42
Yawn n/t LadyHawkAZ Mar 2012 #44
Sheriff Arpaio: Obama birth certificate a ‘forgery’ but puts forth no proof UCmeNdc Mar 2012 #45
Look at all the publicity and broohaha. xtraxritical Mar 2012 #115
I believe Arpaio is an asshole so it's even. appleannie1 Mar 2012 #46
Dementia and hate are dangerous combinations - Arpaio is a great example. n/t Smilo Mar 2012 #49
I think Gomer Pyle sums up my reaction best: Hugabear Mar 2012 #50
Is his report about the OCR? 4saken Mar 2012 #51
but on the other hand - Arapaio is a gosh-honest for-real douchebag jpak Mar 2012 #52
Mike Zulo is dumber than dirt KDLarsen Mar 2012 #55
Very carefully worded statement. JohnnyRingo Mar 2012 #56
Things will be a lot better when good people jaysunb Mar 2012 #101
I think this should be sort of a Geraldo Rivera moment. Vinca Mar 2012 #59
The "President N***er" people just will NOT let this shit die, will they? HughBeaumont Mar 2012 #60
Nice "Blazing Saddles" reference.... nt winstars Mar 2012 #148
So this guys "cold case posse" has no authority EC Mar 2012 #62
Whoever forged it CAPHAVOC Mar 2012 #66
Um, it's not a forged document. Arkana Mar 2012 #181
Obama sent his Lawyer to get it. A Lawyer would not proffer a forged document of this magnitude. CAPHAVOC Mar 2012 #182
Makes it all the more interesting then, how they obtained the presidents SSS card KDLarsen Mar 2012 #69
The FOIA claim is a lie. Personal records are not subject to FOIA. nt msanthrope Mar 2012 #98
This asshole just wants to keep feeding the doubt...... samplegirl Mar 2012 #63
Although the R base eats this stuff up, independents and more moderate tblue37 Mar 2012 #89
This is it,Exactly! The Wielding Truth Mar 2012 #166
The burden of proof is on Arpaio, and he doesn't have it, posse or no posse. DFW Mar 2012 #64
Righto CAPHAVOC Mar 2012 #156
Will President Obama need to invite Sheriff Joe on Air Force One for a trip to Hawaii... Ian David Mar 2012 #65
I'm sure he'd say it was a forgery conspiracy steve2470 Mar 2012 #68
The Sheriff claims at least 2 crimes are in evidence. Ford_Prefect Mar 2012 #70
No way Obama could do this. By himself. CAPHAVOC Mar 2012 #74
LOL EFerrari Mar 2012 #80
Ummm CreekDog Mar 2012 #93
I never missed an episode. CAPHAVOC Mar 2012 #102
is this one of them? CreekDog Mar 2012 #118
More like the Twilite Zone. CAPHAVOC Mar 2012 #157
... Ian David Mar 2012 #103
Obama does not have the authority to order Hawaii HeiressofBickworth Mar 2012 #207
That is what they gave me in Florida. CAPHAVOC Mar 2012 #208
dude--shut the fuck up already! SemperEadem Mar 2012 #71
It is clear that this sheriff asshole is a forgery of a human being..... NRaleighLiberal Mar 2012 #72
Who are the people of the "cold case posse?" Sparkly Mar 2012 #75
Only problem is he gave all the evidence to Breitbart. SomethingFishy Mar 2012 #76
Why is he doing this? So that as his own investigations begin to come to fruition, he can cry foul truthisfreedom Mar 2012 #77
Post removed Post removed Mar 2012 #79
You're confused. Arpaio outed himself agains as not worthy of wearing a badge. n/t Gormy Cuss Mar 2012 #81
Post removed Post removed Mar 2012 #78
It is clear that the Sheriff has alternative purposes in making this public at this time. Ford_Prefect Mar 2012 #84
Well, uh, hmm. Uh, these people truly have no shame. HuckleB Mar 2012 #82
Cold Case Posse - new show on VH1 lovemydog Mar 2012 #83
How many domestic violence and sex crimes have you ignored recently..... LynneSin Mar 2012 #86
What a fuckin' crockpot detective he is... DippyDem Mar 2012 #87
They are going to be christx30 Mar 2012 #88
You don't get them. Validating foolishness is even more important than getting Obama saras Mar 2012 #95
I do get them christx30 Mar 2012 #136
No one cares what he or any of his mindless saps think..... Swede Atlanta Mar 2012 #90
Bingo !!!!! steve2470 Mar 2012 #159
Moonie Land. Be careful not to get stuck there. savannah43 Mar 2012 #91
If Arpaio is shown to be lying about this can he be impeached and or fired for cause? cstanleytech Mar 2012 #92
This is what happens when you elect LEOs and judges; political corruption of law enforcement. Monk06 Mar 2012 #96
Arpaio is a horror! Rosa Luxemburg Mar 2012 #97
A rerun of the right wing attacks on Bush's military documents spedtr90 Mar 2012 #99
We are laughing at this stupidity BUT this A$$ will be giving more Fuel to Crazy Orly, Jay Sekalow Justice wanted Mar 2012 #104
Isn't hate exhausting? FedUp_Queer Mar 2012 #105
Don't Republicans ever tire of playing ignorant assholes? Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2012 #106
So, he's admitted to... Hayabusa Mar 2012 #107
Not even that KDLarsen Mar 2012 #108
No surprise, unbiased investigation is anything but KDLarsen Mar 2012 #109
Conservative Republicans have delusions of grandeur and messiah complexes. amb123 Mar 2012 #110
OK, THAT"S IT!!!!!!! WHERE IS ARPAIO"S BIRTH CERTIFICATE???? I"M SURE IT'S A FAKE AND............. W T F Mar 2012 #111
Mute point rtracey Mar 2012 #113
birther - here's a new investigation for them technotwit Mar 2012 #178
Moot FiveGoodMen Mar 2012 #210
This message was self-deleted by its author Mosby Jun 2012 #215
Like! Vanje Mar 2012 #114
Oh Geesh!! Are these REDNECKS ever gonna GET OVER IT? janedum Mar 2012 #116
Constitution rtracey Mar 2012 #117
Did he write his report in crayon or cave paintings? caseymoz Mar 2012 #119
Arpaio has a fucking mental condition. LetTimmySmoke Mar 2012 #120
I think as usual it's all about $$$$ Faygo Kid Mar 2012 #121
Washington Times...Arpaio....nuff said underpants Mar 2012 #122
What is in the arid Az air amuse bouche Mar 2012 #123
And this is the man that's supposed to Stellar Mar 2012 #124
Are the police paid with federal money? Crunchy Frog Mar 2012 #125
I love it when they double down on the stupid Bruce Wayne Mar 2012 #126
I downloaded the BC & it only has one layer in Photoshop & Illustrator KrazeeKrewe Mar 2012 #127
Other investigations conducted by Joe Arpaio are: Major Hogwash Mar 2012 #128
lol 47of74 Mar 2012 #139
Tell us what were the inconsistoncies, asshole! muntrv Mar 2012 #129
Uh Joe? Ain't you goin' out of your jurisdiction with this? muntrv Mar 2012 #130
Arizona's #2 embarrassment continues his assault on logic and intelligence Suji to Seoul Mar 2012 #131
I suggest there is probable cause that this sheriff should go... Guilded Lilly Mar 2012 #132
That is so evilhime Mar 2012 #133
The administration should sue him for slander and arrest him for... Odin2005 Mar 2012 #135
Spam deleted by uppityperson (MIR Team) asfghjtyk Mar 2012 #137
Three words for you, Sheriff edbermac Mar 2012 #138
So says the "Superstar League Of Justice Posse", hahahaha... (n/t) richmwill Mar 2012 #140
Will they Never give it up? AsahinaKimi Mar 2012 #141
Go put on your pink underwear Arpaio Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Mar 2012 #142
Better Headline..... Grassy Knoll Mar 2012 #143
The guy makes Emperor Norton look like Kissinger. saras Mar 2012 #144
Yup they went back in time and put a forgery in a bound register... Historic NY Mar 2012 #145
This Guy is so Bad... Oldtimeralso Mar 2012 #146
his cold-case posse?? ibegurpard Mar 2012 #147
ROFLMAO McCamy Taylor Mar 2012 #149
Yes, Arpaio, keep this up till November (please) SunSeeker Mar 2012 #151
Go fuck yourself, Arpaio Zoeisright Mar 2012 #152
Arpaio is an affront to all good people who wear the badge. nt Poll_Blind Mar 2012 #153
Speaking of Idiots - whatever happened to that court case the President was *ordered* to appear at? Matariki Mar 2012 #154
I think they lost in Georgia on Feb. 7 steve2470 Mar 2012 #155
He was never ordered to do anything KDLarsen Mar 2012 #172
arpaio? what kind of name is that? madrchsod Mar 2012 #158
A little checking... meeksgeek Mar 2012 #177
Would it matter if Obama was born on Jupiter? DeadEyeDyck Mar 2012 #160
Gee, that wasn't at all predictable n/t Prophet 451 Mar 2012 #162
The Joe the Plumber of Sheriffs EdStaff Mar 2012 #163
OK class... AlbertCat Mar 2012 #164
Stories like this Gruntled Old Man Mar 2012 #165
I think people are missing Arpaio's motives in doing this. grantcart Mar 2012 #168
Whoa. 2ndAmForComputers Mar 2012 #173
He is a publicly identified target of a grand jury but the subject matter is, of course, secret; grantcart Mar 2012 #184
If he really thinks this is true then he should go to Washington and arrest the President. Walk away Mar 2012 #169
Yawn. Lone_Star_Dem Mar 2012 #170
What bothers me the most ecstatic Mar 2012 #171
Well shitte I guess my birth certificate is fake too. jonthebru Mar 2012 #174
Post removed Post removed Mar 2012 #176
"Kenya or Britain or wherever he is ultimately found to have been born" ornotna Mar 2012 #192
hahahahahahahahaha. Or are you Series? uppityperson Mar 2012 #193
His badge is a forgery yurbud Mar 2012 #179
Maybe the headline should be... joeybear Mar 2012 #180
The fundies are rejoicing about this. RebelOne Mar 2012 #187
Why is this even news? blackspade Mar 2012 #189
Oh look, what a surprise... KDLarsen Mar 2012 #190
him and limbaugh veganlush Mar 2012 #194
Advocating death? sellitman Mar 2012 #201
"Cold Case Posse" Really? paparush Mar 2012 #195
Spam deleted by cbayer (MIR Team) dfgrehe Mar 2012 #196
oh yeah, that's believable from Arpaio and Wash Times of all places wordpix Mar 2012 #197
please, all of you TownDrunk2 Mar 2012 #202
I was raised in Phoenix newspeak Mar 2012 #205
Go arrest Obama, Joe. 1Greensix Mar 2012 #206

MADem

(135,425 posts)
203. No--Bill Clinton can tell you all about it.
Sat Mar 3, 2012, 10:01 AM
Mar 2012

After a while, all you can do is "Consider the source."

I see Arpaio jumping the shark with this stunt. About time...

barbtries

(28,799 posts)
39. i can't believe he's still in office!
Thu Mar 1, 2012, 04:54 PM
Mar 2012

this so-called investigation alone should warrant a prosecution based on the hatch act. (i think)

 

southernyankeebelle

(11,304 posts)
61. What is scary to me is the racist he is. If a person of color would go before him right off the
Thu Mar 1, 2012, 05:18 PM
Mar 2012

bat the person already has strike one. He just doesn't need to be there.

 

webDude

(875 posts)
191. While you guys are playing "shoot the messenger"(heck, I don't like him either),...
Fri Mar 2, 2012, 07:55 PM
Mar 2012

...he is bringing up a point that any one that has studied graphics programs(notably Photoshop) can tell you, that there are many problems with the long form file that was supplied to us, notably part of the "copy" being curved, as when you photocopy a book on the glass, and the part near the binding is skewed, while the text that is at that point is straight, tell me, does that not raise questions? Heck, I could do a better job, it looks like shoddy work.

I am not entertaining whether he was born here or not, I am saying that the document looks wrong.

 

southernyankeebelle

(11,304 posts)
198. This man has is against the president because the DOJ has an on going investigation
Fri Mar 2, 2012, 10:51 PM
Mar 2012

on the sheriff. I don't believe this sheriff even if his tongue came notorized. President Obama got a passport before he was president. The government doesn't issue passports with prove you are a citizen. I know because I had to show mine before I got my passport. This is all bull. If the were able to produce the doctor that delivered the president they still would say the man is lying.

they need to get over it.

newspeak

(4,847 posts)
209. and his point is he viewed pres. obama's certified copy of the birth certificate on the computer
Tue Mar 6, 2012, 01:25 PM
Mar 2012

while those officials who needed to see the certified copy of perused-not on the internet but in person. What kind of shoddy investigation is this sheriff pursuing? He must think all of arizona residents are with him in the crazy department. Or he's attempting to CYA for those wanting to investigate some of his dealings.

I worked for SSA endorsing documents as to their legitimacy. President obama's state certified copy birth certificate is real. Just as my certified copy birth certificate is real.

So, do you get it? Those who needed to see his birth certificate, have seen it and are satisfied. Not some copy on the internet.

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
212. The post-911 certificate I had to get for travel looks funny too. If I'm not legal,
Thu May 3, 2012, 06:13 PM
May 2012

With paperwork showing my direct family line arriving on these shores from Europe 400 years ago, I'll apply to be a citizen of a country that doesn't refuse to face the one fact this is really about.

That fact is that Americans voted overwhelmingly to elect a black man to live the White House.

Speculation about this is ill-founded and the people who disseminating this story are funded by the Koches and other reactionary groups trying to hold onto power.

Denninmi

(6,581 posts)
4. Meanwhile, in related news, a decades long search for Arpaio's brain has come up empty.
Thu Mar 1, 2012, 04:18 PM
Mar 2012

Footage at 6 and 11.



dotymed

(5,610 posts)
167. I did not read the link (too early)
Fri Mar 2, 2012, 10:10 AM
Mar 2012

but if his "cold case posse' is doing their "investigation" on the tax payers dime, it is illegal. they at least have to be using "official contacts."
There has never (in my 50+ years) been a sitting President treated with such disrespect, not even Nixon. Of course, we have never had a black president (I am white). Remember when the "W" idiot was in office? When he was criticized we heard.."How dare you speak of a war-time president that way." Obama is a war-time president also. I think America is purposely a continual war nation.
It seems that Joe, being an elected official, would be restrained by law of speaking so treasonously of Obama. At least public decency should keep him from making such crazy accusations.

Wait Wut

(8,492 posts)
5. Uh huh.
Thu Mar 1, 2012, 04:20 PM
Mar 2012

His 10 page report is just a rehash of the same bullshit they tried to nail on the original release of the b.c. These people still haven't come out of the 18th century, so scanning technology is a mystery to them. But, they apparently believe in time travel, because that's how Pres. Obama was able to get the birth announcements into the paper. No other reasonable explanation.

brooklynite

(94,598 posts)
6. The prelude to this suggested he was in the OTHER birther camp...
Thu Mar 1, 2012, 04:20 PM
Mar 2012

...e.g. it didn't matter whether President Obama was born here or not; because his Father wasn't American it didn't count. Didn't expect him to double down with the crazies...

AndyTiedye

(23,500 posts)
185. It Might be Too Toxic for That
Fri Mar 2, 2012, 03:39 PM
Mar 2012

I wouldn't want any fish I was going to eat touching their ink, no thanks.
Wouldn't even use it to line a birdcage if I had a bird. Birds are sensitive.

Richardo

(38,391 posts)
8. He used county resources for this 'investigation'?
Thu Mar 1, 2012, 04:21 PM
Mar 2012

Hope the taxpayers of Maricopa County are happy with the squandering of their tax dollars.

I'd say there was at least one additional crime committed relating to the BC.

Bozita

(26,955 posts)
38. Sounds like a good spot to cut the budget. Obviously there's a lot of extra $$$ in there for Arpaio.
Thu Mar 1, 2012, 04:53 PM
Mar 2012

KDLarsen

(1,903 posts)
11. Oh look, what's that? A PAPER COPY of the Birth Certificate?
Thu Mar 1, 2012, 04:29 PM
Mar 2012

This is birther 101, classic birther talking points etc.

This investigation (by former cops, no less!) is so flawed, I can imagine the AZ courts will be flooded with requests for retrials very shortly. If any of the former investigators had been working on a case involving me, I'd double-and-tripple check everything found.

timesup

(88 posts)
12. Just never ending stupidity from that one.
Thu Mar 1, 2012, 04:29 PM
Mar 2012

Birthers are pathetic.

Maricopa county citizens should be protesting in force for his resignation for this and other idiotic activities.



KDLarsen

(1,903 posts)
13. The only good thing to come from this
Thu Mar 1, 2012, 04:31 PM
Mar 2012

Is that the Selective Service System will have to take a look at how this 'potty posse' obtained the Presidents selective service records. Obtaining that information fraudulently is a federal crime, so someone is looking at jail time.

byronius

(7,395 posts)
15. You know, perhaps we should give him the benefit of the doubt and consider his evidence.
Thu Mar 1, 2012, 04:35 PM
Mar 2012

Done considering. (Buzzer)

I think Joe's supposed to be in prison, right? By now? Cause he's murdered political opponents, and runs Maricopa like a gangland fiefdom? And stolen money? And lied to investigators? And fomented racial profiling and false arrests?

Surely we can take him at his word.

Oh, and by the way, he reminds me of this fellow --



Wow, they could be brothers.

Response to Cali_Democrat (Original post)

appleannie1

(5,067 posts)
54. How do they think any Bureau of Vital Statistics sends anyone their birth certificate if not by
Thu Mar 1, 2012, 05:08 PM
Mar 2012

electronic copy? Originals are kept on file in the state where a person is born. When you require proof of birth, they send you a COPY and keep the original on file. What total idiots.

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
85. These people live their entire lives in the state if not town in which
Thu Mar 1, 2012, 06:25 PM
Mar 2012

they were born. They don't understand that people have to get certified copies of their birth certificates all the time, that lots of people lose or never possess the "original" birth certificate that their parents received when they were born.

In fact, I have the certificates for my children. They don't have them.

HeiressofBickworth

(2,682 posts)
134. The "original" birth certificate given to parents
Thu Mar 1, 2012, 09:45 PM
Mar 2012

at the time of birth is nothing more than a keepsake from the hospital. It is not a government record of any kind and cannot be used to obtain passports (there may be some miniscule exception, but not the rule) or any other official purpose. In order to get a certified copy of one's birth certificate, application must be made to the appropriate authorities in the state in which the person was born. The state then reaches into its vault, and after 9/11, makes a summary of the contents of the document on file (the so-called "short form&quot and certifies it to be true and correct. It's what I obtained when I wanted to apply for my passport. It's what Mr. Obama had to furnish when the election commission ok'd him to be on the ballot in the first place and which President Obama posted to his website a few years ago. When this became an issue, the Republican governor of Hawaii reached into that same vault and had a copy of the original document made which was certified by the state and the governor that it was a true copy. The original remains safely in that same vault along with the birth certificates of all the other citizens born in Hawaii.

Why don't these birfer pin-heads just come out with it: they can't stand that a black man won the election and is in the White House. Well, they're mad at the wrong person. The fact is, the American Public elected a black man who is now in the White House. So where's the poutrage against the American Public? If a majority of people thought a black man shouldn't be President, they wouldn't have elected him, right?

ARRRRGGGGGGGGGG -- this issue just pisses me off. I can understand people who are opposed to policies of the Obama Administration, but challenging his citizenship is just preposterous.

meeksgeek

(1,214 posts)
175. Exactly
Fri Mar 2, 2012, 01:07 PM
Mar 2012

When I was in college (I'm such a snob, I know), I needed to get a passport for a study abroad trip. Unfortunately I lost my birth certificate during a move. So I had to pay Pennsylvania, the state where I was born, a few dollars for a copy. It looked nothing like the original, but for some bizarre reason the US State Dept accepted it as proof of my citizenship and issued me a US Passport. Wow.

Amaril

(1,267 posts)
19. Did he serisly say his cold case "posse"?
Thu Mar 1, 2012, 04:38 PM
Mar 2012


Arpaio to Obama: You better head for the hills you rascally varmit!

phantom power

(25,966 posts)
32. Yes, he actually has a posse...
Thu Mar 1, 2012, 04:50 PM
Mar 2012

You can see Sheriff Joe's posse discussed here on local news, with a totally straight face.

 

xtraxritical

(3,576 posts)
112. Volunteer posse my ars
Thu Mar 1, 2012, 07:55 PM
Mar 2012

they all have high paying jobs on the county payroll. How is this crap the county's business? Oh they work on it in their spare time, I see.

 

jtuck004

(15,882 posts)
43. Yup. And on holidays they ride in parades.
Thu Mar 1, 2012, 04:56 PM
Mar 2012

From [link:mises.org/rothbard/boetie.pdf|"The Politics of Obedience"] Étienne de La Boétie


"...whenever a ruler makes himself a dictator, all the wicked dregs of the nation—I do not mean the pack of petty thieves and earless ruffians who, in a republic, are unimportant in evil or good—but all those who are corrupted by burning ambition or extraordinary avarice, these gather around him and support him in order to have a share in the booty and to constitute themselves petty chiefs under the big tyrant. This is the practice among notorious robbers and famous pirates: some scour the country, others pursue voyagers; some lie in ambush, others keep a lookout...


And today they wear suits and uniforms, easier to blend in among the decent folk that way.

This was written about 1550 but it seems appropriate now...

Aviation Pro

(12,172 posts)
24. Shut your holster....
Thu Mar 1, 2012, 04:44 PM
Mar 2012

...fuckwit.

The crazies are getting desparate because they know that a President Obama landslide is in the offing.

That and Congress will be solidly Democratic after November.

BlueDemKev

(3,003 posts)
26. Who was the dude with the mustache?
Thu Mar 1, 2012, 04:47 PM
Mar 2012

The one who called this a "full-blown criminal investigation" and that the LFBC was definitely "forged"?

BlueDemKev

(3,003 posts)
37. This is fuckin' blatant slander....
Thu Mar 1, 2012, 04:52 PM
Mar 2012

....I mean, Barack Obama should sue these thugs. This is a crock of shit and these clowns have said NOTHING we haven't already heard. All their "findings" are speculative and rely on the feedback from so-called "experts" who are nothing more than birther cranks.

 

Comrade Grumpy

(13,184 posts)
27. Jesus H. Christ! Does the lunacy never stop?
Thu Mar 1, 2012, 04:47 PM
Mar 2012

When will this nasty dinosaur go and leave us in peace?

Just thinking about Sheriff Joe Arpaio make me grumpier.

Tyrs WolfDaemon

(2,289 posts)
94. If Arpaio is a dinosaur, then there is still hope for us...
Thu Mar 1, 2012, 07:00 PM
Mar 2012

According to this web site: http://www.frankwu.com/Jell-O.html the dinos were killed by a giant ball of Jell-O.

Idea:
If the Jell-O theory is true then perhaps Jell-O will still save us from Arpaio! We just have to send him lots of packets of Jell-O and possibly Bill Cosby.










(This post was meant to be humorous, please understand that stupid humor is the only way we can expect to live in this crazy F'ed up world without going totally nuts, and I'm just trying to help. )


Hugabear

(10,340 posts)
40. When are federal marshals going to take this man into custody?
Thu Mar 1, 2012, 04:55 PM
Mar 2012

If for nothing else, they could take him into custody for his pathetic record on civil rights.

Botany

(70,516 posts)
42. Yes and Obama used a time machine to go back and call into the Dept. of Health ....
Thu Mar 1, 2012, 04:55 PM
Mar 2012

... his faked birth announcement from the hospital along w/ all the
real births and deaths at the hospital that day so 2 different newspapers
could publish his birth announcement in Hawaii in 1961 so 47 years later
he could run for President of the United States even though he was really born
in Africa in communist run education camp.

UCmeNdc

(9,600 posts)
45. Sheriff Arpaio: Obama birth certificate a ‘forgery’ but puts forth no proof
Thu Mar 1, 2012, 04:57 PM
Mar 2012

Sheriff Arpaio is a fake law enforcement officer that will falsify evidence to get a conviction.

4saken

(152 posts)
51. Is his report about the OCR?
Thu Mar 1, 2012, 05:06 PM
Mar 2012

I saw a video of Michael Savage ranting with an "expert" about the text, without even knowing what optical character recognition is. It's really sad if their "investigation" concluded "inconsistencies" due to the same thing.

KDLarsen

(1,903 posts)
55. Mike Zulo is dumber than dirt
Thu Mar 1, 2012, 05:09 PM
Mar 2012

Yes folks, he just said: "The PDF document was on a computer 20 minutes before it was uploaded".

I mean..

Really..

I'm speechless.

JohnnyRingo

(18,636 posts)
56. Very carefully worded statement.
Thu Mar 1, 2012, 05:10 PM
Mar 2012

He leaves open the door to say he never actually said it is a fake. "He suspects", and "inconsistancies" are mealy mouthed words that can be backtracked later, as they surely will if anyone pursues his claims.

The burden of proof is not on the president, the White House, or the American people. This moron has to put up or shut up, but theres no chance he'll take that former option. He has done what he set out to do, and that is to feed the doubts of disgruntled racist Tea Baggers who cannot accept that an African American is president.

I'm getting sick of this shit, and I'm tired of dancing around calling them the racists they so obviously are.

jaysunb

(11,856 posts)
101. Things will be a lot better when good people
Thu Mar 1, 2012, 07:24 PM
Mar 2012

admit what we all know.

You say :
I'm getting sick of this shit, and I'm tired of dancing around calling them the racists they so obviously are.

It's been obvious for 4 years now and it won't stop (publically) until people get called on it.

Vinca

(50,278 posts)
59. I think this should be sort of a Geraldo Rivera moment.
Thu Mar 1, 2012, 05:11 PM
Mar 2012

Maybe the State of Hawaii will allow him to be filmed in the vital records vault examining the birth certificate that has been sitting there since the POTUS was born. There it would be, for all to see, a birther fantasy bubble popped.

HughBeaumont

(24,461 posts)
60. The "President N***er" people just will NOT let this shit die, will they?
Thu Mar 1, 2012, 05:12 PM
Mar 2012

Wonder what other conclusion was to be expected from a hyper-partisan Republican Sheriff?

GIVE IT UP, FUCKOS. GIVE. IT. UP. For ALL of us, pal. This is a fucking embarrassment.

EC

(12,287 posts)
62. So this guys "cold case posse" has no authority
Thu Mar 1, 2012, 05:20 PM
Mar 2012

cannot access official paper or the officials in Hawaii for a real investigation and we are to fall for his scam? All they did was rehash old stuff given to them from crazies it looks like. Things like looking at the type and paper. No one claimed the birth cert. was the original - it was what Hawaii now issues for everyone, the originals are not public and are stored in large books that cannot be removed.


The hell with them. This issue is still dead, unless the media thinks they have an obligation to report what Fox reports.

 

CAPHAVOC

(1,138 posts)
66. Whoever forged it
Thu Mar 1, 2012, 05:27 PM
Mar 2012

It is not Obamas fault. Hawaii had a Republican Governor. Lingle. Maybe she is the one who forged the documents.

 

CAPHAVOC

(1,138 posts)
182. Obama sent his Lawyer to get it. A Lawyer would not proffer a forged document of this magnitude.
Fri Mar 2, 2012, 03:29 PM
Mar 2012

He would get disbarred. If it is real or forged it was Hawaii that did it. I got the same thing from Florida. But I got the certification. To get a copy of the original you have to send off to Jacksonville. But you can not get the original itself. It is on Microfilm. Same in Hawaii. You get a copy. They are the ones who do it. Not yourself. I don't know about the Draft Card or the Social Security. I don't know. All Obama could give out is what Hawaii gave him.

KDLarsen

(1,903 posts)
69. Makes it all the more interesting then, how they obtained the presidents SSS card
Thu Mar 1, 2012, 05:29 PM
Mar 2012

I know how it was obtained, and I know a certain retired USAF Lieutenant who must be sweating a bit by now. 'coz he's looking at jail time for identity fraud.

Edit: Disregard, I see it was obtained through FOIA. My point still stands though. I can imagine the Secret Service will start paying more attention to the birthers now.

samplegirl

(11,480 posts)
63. This asshole just wants to keep feeding the doubt......
Thu Mar 1, 2012, 05:22 PM
Mar 2012

he will never come out with any real evidence. Just keep these racists fired up.
Bring on the proof!!!!!!!

tblue37

(65,408 posts)
89. Although the R base eats this stuff up, independents and more moderate
Thu Mar 1, 2012, 06:40 PM
Mar 2012

Republicans are offended by it. This birther nonsense and the Republican freak-out over Obama's address to schoolchildren at the start of the school year have helped to expose the insanity of the GOP base and of the party itself, for encouraging the base and allowing it to control the party and dictate to Republican representatives in both houses of Congress.

DFW

(54,408 posts)
64. The burden of proof is on Arpaio, and he doesn't have it, posse or no posse.
Thu Mar 1, 2012, 05:23 PM
Mar 2012

Some day, he'll go just one tiny weeny bit too far and the Secret Service will lead him off in handcuffs,
with him and a few of his "deputies" getting charged additionally for resisting arrest and assaulting
federal officers. I will not weep for him, nor any of his pals, if they go too far in resisting the feds and
suffer the consequences.

 

CAPHAVOC

(1,138 posts)
156. Righto
Fri Mar 2, 2012, 05:10 AM
Mar 2012

You at least do not use the normal ad-hominem attack. No proof is the way to look at this. I don't pay attention to unsound arguments. Calling the Sheriff names is silly. What I know about this is that Obama sent his Lawyer to get the paper from Hawaii and that the form is what he was given by the state. Any forgeries would have to have been done by the state of Hawaii. Not Obama. It could even be a GOP setup. The GOP Governor was in charge in Hawaii. Lingle. The new Democratic Governor came in and looked at it and said he could not find any problems. All Obama did was release the form given to his Lawyer by the state of Hawaii.

Ian David

(69,059 posts)
65. Will President Obama need to invite Sheriff Joe on Air Force One for a trip to Hawaii...
Thu Mar 1, 2012, 05:24 PM
Mar 2012

... where he will lead him by the hand to the Bureau of Vital Statistics or where ever the certificate is kept, and show him the original, in the book?

steve2470

(37,457 posts)
68. I'm sure he'd say it was a forgery conspiracy
Thu Mar 1, 2012, 05:28 PM
Mar 2012

Even seeing Obama born in 1961 at the hospital in Honolulu, Hawai'i would not satisfy these idiots.

Ford_Prefect

(7,901 posts)
70. The Sheriff claims at least 2 crimes are in evidence.
Thu Mar 1, 2012, 05:29 PM
Mar 2012

As a Sheriff and officer does he not bear the responsibility to follow up on those with appropriate enforcement? Where is the DA and Judge to get the warrants to serve? Where is the coordination with other legal authorities who may have an interest?

Why the hands-off of this Sheriff? Who does he own? If this had been said about a Bush (or Shrub) President you know there would have been a powerful response from DOJ, FBI, or at least the DAR.

Who keeps protecting this guy??? ALEC? The NRA? The Chamber of Commerce? Several ordinary civilians have taken this kind of position and one result was interviews by either FBI or Secret Service. Or should that be who wants him grandstanding in front of the cameras challenging Federal law enforcement?

Who pursues the charges of false accusation by the Sheriff? Does the ACLU have a legal anti-hit squad?

One wonders if things are that bad in Maricopa County that someone wearing the badge more responsibly would not be an improvement. Is Arizona so much worse than Detroit, LA, or Lower Manhattan and which Mob is the Sheriff fronting for?

Yes I know the paper of record is more than suspect. This really is well beyond reasonable differences and begs the question of this guy's legal responsibilities much as Orly Taitz's behavior has.

A better source might be here: http://www.cbs12.com/news/arpaio-4739149-sheriff-obama.html

Arizona sheriff claims Obama birth certificate is 'fraud and a forgery'
March 01, 2012 3:17 PM
AP / WPEC-CBS12.com

PHOENIX -- America's self-proclaimed toughest sheriff finds himself entangled these days in his own thorny legal troubles: a federal grand jury probe over alleged abuse of power, Justice Department accusations of racial profiling and revelations that his department didn't adequately investigate hundreds of Arizona sex-crime cases.

Rather than seek cover, though, Maricopa County Sheriff Joe Arpaio is seeking to grab the spotlight in the same unorthodox fashion that has helped boost his career as a nationally known lawman.

Arpaio scheduled a news conference Thursday to unveil preliminary results of an investigation, conducted by members of his volunteer cold-case posse, into the authenticity of President Barack Obama's birth certificate, a controversy that has been widely debunked but which remains alive in the eyes of some conservatives. Last year, Donald Trump most prominently revived the issue while entertaining a possible bid for the presidency...


 

CAPHAVOC

(1,138 posts)
74. No way Obama could do this. By himself.
Thu Mar 1, 2012, 05:43 PM
Mar 2012

Too deep. No way any Non Domestic entity could pull it off. If any of this is true I think Obama could only be CIA in deep cover. The best thing to do would be for Obama to order Hawaii to release all originals and put this to bed. We do not need this right now. I am for unsealing all the sealed records. After all Bush Sr. was CIA.

HeiressofBickworth

(2,682 posts)
207. Obama does not have the authority to order Hawaii
Sat Mar 3, 2012, 08:24 PM
Mar 2012

to do anything of the sort. The Hawaii legislature would have to pass a bill authorizing the state record-keeper to produce certified copies of the entire document on file in its vaults rather than the summary certificates currently being issued.

For your information, after 9/11 and the hyper sensitivity about id theft, states changed their procedures from producing certified copies of birth certificates to producing certified copies of a summary of the contents of the certificate. Some information is left out like occupation of the parents, home addresses and other non-relevant information. What is on the summary certificate is the name of the individual, date and time of birth, place of birth and parents names.

At the same time, states developed application forms for people wanting a copy. One must be the individual or related to the individual and must provide a sworn statement. This isn't true in all states, but it is in some. Likewise, in some states, only an attorney on behalf of their client, can obtain death certificates for an individual.

A state certified copy of President Obama's birth certificate was ordered by the governor of Hawaii. No change in procedure for anyone else was authorized. And she was a Republican.

 

CAPHAVOC

(1,138 posts)
208. That is what they gave me in Florida.
Sun Mar 4, 2012, 07:18 AM
Mar 2012

To get a copy of the original you have to send off to Jacksonville where they are all on film.

SemperEadem

(8,053 posts)
71. dude--shut the fuck up already!
Thu Mar 1, 2012, 05:32 PM
Mar 2012

don't you have enough problems with the investigations breathing down your neck as it is? Stop trying to deflect attention from your own fuckery and jackassation.

Sparkly

(24,149 posts)
75. Who are the people of the "cold case posse?"
Thu Mar 1, 2012, 05:45 PM
Mar 2012

And what exactly did they say?

I'm the answers to those questions will say everything.

truthisfreedom

(23,148 posts)
77. Why is he doing this? So that as his own investigations begin to come to fruition, he can cry foul
Thu Mar 1, 2012, 05:53 PM
Mar 2012

and claim that the administration is bloodying him because of his "discoveries" about Obama?

Response to truthisfreedom (Reply #77)

Response to Cali_Democrat (Original post)

Ford_Prefect

(7,901 posts)
84. It is clear that the Sheriff has alternative purposes in making this public at this time.
Thu Mar 1, 2012, 06:22 PM
Mar 2012

The article I referred to at CBS Channel 12 (http://www.cbs12.com/news/arpaio-4739149-sheriff-obama.html) describes the situation of the Sheriff's charges as well as the way the White House has responded in the past.

DefendUrRights2's seemingly racist remarks aside there are precedents for this kind of thing.

Yes, the powerful generally get more than a little leeway with the truth. That works in both directions sometimes, too.

LynneSin

(95,337 posts)
86. How many domestic violence and sex crimes have you ignored recently.....
Thu Mar 1, 2012, 06:30 PM
Mar 2012
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/12/05/1042499/-Americas-toughest-sheriff-Joe-Arpaio-ignored-sex-crimes-and-child-abuse?via=blog_1

[M]ore than 400 sex-crimes reported to Maricopa County Sheriff Joe Arpaio's office during a three-year period ending in 2007 — including dozens of alleged child molestations — that were inadequately investigated and in some instances were not worked at all, according to current and former police officers familiar with the cases.
In El Mirage alone, where Arpaio's office was providing contract police services, officials discovered at least 32 reported child molestations — with victims as young as 2 years old — where the sheriff's office failed to follow through, even though suspects were known in all but six cases.

Many of the victims, said a retired El Mirage police official who reviewed the files, were children of illegal immigrants.

christx30

(6,241 posts)
88. They are going to be
Thu Mar 1, 2012, 06:35 PM
Mar 2012

on the birth certificate thing for the next 20 years. I guess they are going to retroactivly impeach Obama if they find a smudge in 2025.
Here's a tip for you all: You don't like Obama. He's not a Republican. I can deal with that logic. But talking about the birth certificate thing is a waste of your time and makes you look like fools. Talk about the issues. That's what people care about. You talk about taxes or gas prices and stuff that people will care about, and you MIGHT win some hearts and minds. You talk about birth certificates and long-form vs. short-form, and you are no better than the guy screaming on the street corner about how aliens were working with the Russian mob to cover up the Kennedy assassination and fake the moon landing. Which is really silly. Everyone knows it was the KGB working with the Cuban mob. DUH! The aliens were just there to make sandwiches.

 

saras

(6,670 posts)
95. You don't get them. Validating foolishness is even more important than getting Obama
Thu Mar 1, 2012, 07:07 PM
Mar 2012

If they have to resort to sense and logic, they've LOST. UTTERLY HUMILIATED. At that point, murder-suicide looks better than giving in to logic.

christx30

(6,241 posts)
136. I do get them
Thu Mar 1, 2012, 10:10 PM
Mar 2012

Any time that I am not on DU, I am browsing Free Republic so I can see what the other side is saying. Most of the time I am just saying "Wha?!" about their logic. Like claiming to be the party of small government, yet wanting laws against everything. Mostly in the comment I made, it's like watching a guy running from the Jason Vorees on Friday the 13th. You can scream at the TV for him to jump over that thing or hide, but you know that since he's had sex in the last 12 minutes, he's probably going to end up with an axe in his forehead. Same thing with these guys. You can tell him to focus on the issues, that no one is going to listen to the birth certificate thing, and to try to beat Obama on the issues. But you know that it won't do any good. They will say that eligiblity is the #1 issue. Meanwhile, Obama keeps passing laws like NDAA and there's no opposistion to that or anything else. They are failing to see their version of the big picture.

 

Swede Atlanta

(3,596 posts)
90. No one cares what he or any of his mindless saps think.....
Thu Mar 1, 2012, 06:42 PM
Mar 2012

Courts around the country have thrown this crap out time and time again and the Supreme Court has said they have no interest in considering the case. So Sheriff, did you use taxpayer dollars to do this investigation? I suggest you reimburse the local taxpayers for your abuse of funds or better yet you should be tried, convicted and incarcerated in one of your tent cities for misappropriation of public funds. I don't think it is in your jurisdiction to challenge the authenticity of Obama's birth certificate and fitness to run for or hold the highest office in the land.

steve2470

(37,457 posts)
159. Bingo !!!!!
Fri Mar 2, 2012, 06:45 AM
Mar 2012
I don't think it is in your jurisdiction to challenge the authenticity of Obama's birth certificate and fitness to run for or hold the highest office in the land.

spedtr90

(719 posts)
99. A rerun of the right wing attacks on Bush's military documents
Thu Mar 1, 2012, 07:20 PM
Mar 2012

Former 60 Minutes producer Mary Mapes's book Truth and Duty: The Press , the President, and the Privilege of Power. explains the first full assault on truth by right wing bloggers and pundits - and how it worked because the media accepted it without question. No one wanted to stand up against the loud, fast-moving lies of the bloggers or their personal and hateful attacks. Now this is just everyday right wing behavior.

The truth of Bush's time in the National Guard got buried. They attacked the documents as being fake. The book shows the difference in scanned and faxed copies from the originals. Colonel David Hackworth saw the documents and said Bush was AWOL. But they could never get past the widely spread belief about the document being forged.

They can't get away with it again!

Justice wanted

(2,657 posts)
104. We are laughing at this stupidity BUT this A$$ will be giving more Fuel to Crazy Orly, Jay Sekalow
Thu Mar 1, 2012, 07:37 PM
Mar 2012

College Repubs and Conservative pacs.


This is just going to bring about ANOTHER more crazy round.


 

FedUp_Queer

(975 posts)
105. Isn't hate exhausting?
Thu Mar 1, 2012, 07:38 PM
Mar 2012

I will give it to these people, they seem indefatigable. I will confess that this is exactly why I wish Obama had never held that press conference and produced his birth certificate. Notwithstanding the utter embarrassment and humiliation of a Black man having to stand there and "prove" his bona fides," there was no way he was going to satisfy these people. Mr. President...please...come to terms with the fact that some people don't like YOU and don't like Black people. You get the proverbial "A for effort" for trying to work with the likes of this Right-Wing Nut and his Senate Bruedern und Schwestern (German words for brothers and sisters intentionally used). BUT, how many times do they have to kick you in the teeth or figuratively lynch you until you realize this. There's nothing you can do, Mr. President. Some folks can't survive without an object of hatred and derision.

Hayabusa

(2,135 posts)
107. So, he's admitted to...
Thu Mar 1, 2012, 07:41 PM
Mar 2012

wasting six months of time (and thus money) by having those in charge of cold cases to peer over a birth certificate instead of trying to gain new evidence in some of those cases? Yeah, I don't think he's going to get reelected...

KDLarsen

(1,903 posts)
108. Not even that
Thu Mar 1, 2012, 07:43 PM
Mar 2012

Those six months has been spent on a minimum of research and a maximum of scriptwriting and coordinang with WND on how the press conference was going to play out.

KDLarsen

(1,903 posts)
109. No surprise, unbiased investigation is anything but
Thu Mar 1, 2012, 07:47 PM
Mar 2012

According to a post on a Birther debunking website (http://www.thefogbow.com), author John Woodman, who wrote a book debunking all the nutjob theories regarding President Obama's long-form birth certificate (http://www.amazon.com/Barack-Obamas-Birth-Certificate-Fraud/dp/0983759251/) contacted the potty posse six months ago, when it was revealed that they were going to do an investigation into it.

They never responded to him. Mike Zullo, who did most of the talking today, mentioned Woodman by name, so they're definantly aware of him.

amb123

(1,581 posts)
110. Conservative Republicans have delusions of grandeur and messiah complexes.
Thu Mar 1, 2012, 07:49 PM
Mar 2012

The GOP Presidental Candidates, tea partiers like Jan Brewer, and birthers like Joe Arpaio are the proof.

W T F

(1,148 posts)
111. OK, THAT"S IT!!!!!!! WHERE IS ARPAIO"S BIRTH CERTIFICATE???? I"M SURE IT'S A FAKE AND.............
Thu Mar 1, 2012, 07:50 PM
Mar 2012

HE"S AN ILLEGAL. HE NEEDS TO BE DEPORTED BECAUSE HE"S NOT AN AMERICAN....... TWO CAN PLAY THIS GAME!

 

rtracey

(2,062 posts)
113. Mute point
Thu Mar 1, 2012, 07:58 PM
Mar 2012

This whole discussion is mute point. President Obamas mother was an American citizen, and she bore him, so that's that......birthed bullshit can stop now, or actually stop in 2016......hahah see ya repubs.

 

technotwit

(71 posts)
178. birther - here's a new investigation for them
Fri Mar 2, 2012, 01:57 PM
Mar 2012

George Romney, Mitt's dad is a Mexican, born in Mexico.
Rick Santorum's dad was an Italian immigrant.
So obviously, they aren't qualified by barfer, er, birfer standards.

Response to rtracey (Reply #113)

janedum

(389 posts)
116. Oh Geesh!! Are these REDNECKS ever gonna GET OVER IT?
Thu Mar 1, 2012, 08:01 PM
Mar 2012

Yeah, we've got a "B_L_A_C_K"- President.
Get over it!

 

rtracey

(2,062 posts)
117. Constitution
Thu Mar 1, 2012, 08:01 PM
Mar 2012

And this from a "man" that pisses on the constitution and says he's an American. This sheriff is a disgrace to the profession that so many have served bravely and honestly.

caseymoz

(5,763 posts)
119. Did he write his report in crayon or cave paintings?
Thu Mar 1, 2012, 08:06 PM
Mar 2012

We have a sheriff whose claim to fame is his brutality and inhumanity to inmates who are awaiting trial, not convicted of anything. Yeah, that shows expertise. That right shows the mature, mental capacity and emotional balance to do competent research of documents.

Not the mention the fact that he's investigating a closed case, 3,000 miles out of his jurisdiction, requiring expensive plane tickets to do the redundant research, when nobody asked him to, and he's doing it with taxpayer money.

There's nothing left to this but psychotic racism.

Faygo Kid

(21,478 posts)
121. I think as usual it's all about $$$$
Thu Mar 1, 2012, 08:11 PM
Mar 2012

I look for him to step down and take a gig at Fox News or somewhere else, and let the same dupes who have made wealthy people of Limbaugh, Coulter, Hannity and Beck make Arpaio a very rich man.

underpants

(182,829 posts)
122. Washington Times...Arpaio....nuff said
Thu Mar 1, 2012, 08:11 PM
Mar 2012

He should spend more time ANY TIME investigated child molestation complains in his county.

Crunchy Frog

(26,587 posts)
125. Are the police paid with federal money?
Thu Mar 1, 2012, 08:20 PM
Mar 2012

In any event, this guy and his "investigators" should be fired and then prosecuted for misuse of public funds.

 

KrazeeKrewe

(34 posts)
127. I downloaded the BC & it only has one layer in Photoshop & Illustrator
Thu Mar 1, 2012, 08:55 PM
Mar 2012

I downloaded Obama's Birth Certificate from the whitehouse website. I checked it in Photoshop & Illustrator. It only has one layer. Sheriff Joe Arpaio has been tricked or he is lying. Either of which makes him unqualified to be sheriff.

Major Hogwash

(17,656 posts)
128. Other investigations conducted by Joe Arpaio are:
Thu Mar 1, 2012, 09:07 PM
Mar 2012

"We have located the Ark of the Covenant, it's in Yuma."

"We know now that JFK was stabbed to death in 1963 by a lone man armed with a knife."

"We have proven beyond a shadow of a doubt, many times."

"We have never gone to the moon as our crack team has proven that the tv cameras were broadcasting from the desert south of Casa Grande."

"We have gathered conclusive evidence that if shoes make your feet smell and your nose run, you are built upside down."

"We have proven that two wrongs do make a right, at least in Tucson."

 

Suji to Seoul

(2,035 posts)
131. Arizona's #2 embarrassment continues his assault on logic and intelligence
Thu Mar 1, 2012, 09:35 PM
Mar 2012

How do people in Maricopa County like this bastard so much? They keep re-electing him!

Guilded Lilly

(5,591 posts)
132. I suggest there is probable cause that this sheriff should go...
Thu Mar 1, 2012, 09:38 PM
Mar 2012

fk himself.

sick to death of the racist jagoffs in this country.

Response to Cali_Democrat (Original post)

AsahinaKimi

(20,776 posts)
141. Will they Never give it up?
Thu Mar 1, 2012, 10:48 PM
Mar 2012

WTH is wrong with these people? Why doesn't He (Arpaio) just admit he's a racist, and that he will never be satisfied with any NON WHITE Person holding the highest public office in the land??

Ne, Arpaio, demare kono baka yaro! Oshaberi! Neboken Ja neyo! Kutabare!

Grassy Knoll

(10,118 posts)
143. Better Headline.....
Thu Mar 1, 2012, 11:11 PM
Mar 2012

" Racist Pricks Fuck With Obama's Birth Certificate Long Enough To Create A Forgery "
Pinky pantie man is a fraud, and makes Trump look "Kinda" Sane.

Historic NY

(37,451 posts)
145. Yup they went back in time and put a forgery in a bound register...
Fri Mar 2, 2012, 12:26 AM
Mar 2012

at the Registar of Vital Statistics office. Where are the airline tickets and sworn depositions from Hawaii by his posse?



bullshit Arpile

McCamy Taylor

(19,240 posts)
149. ROFLMAO
Fri Mar 2, 2012, 01:41 AM
Mar 2012

Maybe he can persuade House Repubicans to start impeachment hearings based on his findings. That will assure Obama's re-election.

SunSeeker

(51,574 posts)
151. Yes, Arpaio, keep this up till November (please)
Fri Mar 2, 2012, 02:31 AM
Mar 2012

Between the birthers and the anti-birth control wingnuts, they're doing the DSCC's job for them, driving up donations and firing up the progressive base.

KDLarsen

(1,903 posts)
172. He was never ordered to do anything
Fri Mar 2, 2012, 11:51 AM
Mar 2012

Orly Taitz printed out a subpoena form with the judges signature already on it and sent it off to a number of persons. Obamas councel submitted a motion to dismiss a number of improper things surrounding the administrative hearing (not a court case), including the improperness of subpoeaning the President, and the judge refused it blankly.

Amusingly, Shurff Arpaio also recieved such a subpoena, and he too refused to appear.

madrchsod

(58,162 posts)
158. arpaio? what kind of name is that?
Fri Mar 2, 2012, 06:32 AM
Mar 2012

do`t sound very american to me! i wonder which border his parents slipped across?

DeadEyeDyck

(1,504 posts)
160. Would it matter if Obama was born on Jupiter?
Fri Mar 2, 2012, 08:28 AM
Mar 2012

His mother is still American which makes him American as George Washington!!!

I was born in Germany with a German mother and black American father. Can I not be President?

 

AlbertCat

(17,505 posts)
164. OK class...
Fri Mar 2, 2012, 09:44 AM
Mar 2012

diagram this sentence...

“A six-month long investigation conducted by my cold case posse has lead me to believe there is probable cause to believe that President Barack Obama’s long-form birth certificate released by the White House on April 27, 2011, is a computer-generated forgery,”

I know... like 6 year old wrote it.

Now translate it.

"He's black" would have been much more succinct.

 

Gruntled Old Man

(127 posts)
165. Stories like this
Fri Mar 2, 2012, 10:04 AM
Mar 2012

Make me want to start saying "eh" a lot so people will think I'm a Canadian "snowbird." Jesus!

grantcart

(53,061 posts)
168. I think people are missing Arpaio's motives in doing this.
Fri Mar 2, 2012, 10:22 AM
Mar 2012


If he gets indicted by a grand jury he will claim it is retribution for this.

Walk away

(9,494 posts)
169. If he really thinks this is true then he should go to Washington and arrest the President.
Fri Mar 2, 2012, 10:24 AM
Mar 2012

I would love to see him and his "posse" being dragged off to prison by the Secret Service.

ecstatic

(32,712 posts)
171. What bothers me the most
Fri Mar 2, 2012, 11:28 AM
Mar 2012

is that all the major news networks have reported the story, with headlines such as "'America's Toughest Sheriff' Says Obama Birth Certificate May Be Forgery."

Really?

Wouldn't a more appropriate headline be, "Senile and Racist Sheriff Still Clings to Birther Myth?"

I'm so sickened and disgusted by what passes for journalism these days.

jonthebru

(1,034 posts)
174. Well shitte I guess my birth certificate is fake too.
Fri Mar 2, 2012, 12:54 PM
Mar 2012

I have a recent copy of my Hawaii birth certificate and it looks just like the Presidents. With the different statistics of course. Note to the fools who would believe this: Every birth certificate copy is computer generated it comes off the states data base, is printed, and certified. Simple as that. I'm done with this racist crap.

Response to Cali_Democrat (Original post)

ornotna

(10,803 posts)
192. "Kenya or Britain or wherever he is ultimately found to have been born"
Fri Mar 2, 2012, 08:09 PM
Mar 2012

So you don't believe the President was born In Hawaii then?

KDLarsen

(1,903 posts)
190. Oh look, what a surprise...
Fri Mar 2, 2012, 07:04 PM
Mar 2012
http://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/a-question-of-eligibility-jerome-r-corsi/1109231833?ean=2940013907225&itm=8&usri=corsi+jerome+r

“A Question of Eligibility” takes an in-depth look at the Arpaio Report and whether President Barack Obama’s birth certificate is authentic or a forgery, and therefore whether or not he is eligible to serve as the President of the United States of America. In the investigation, the President’s long-form birth certificate released by the White House is dissected piece by piece, as well as President Obama’s birth registration and Selective Service Card. Includes an introduction by Sheriff Joe Arpaio.


That means Corsi (and by extension, WND.com) must have been working with MCSO and the potty posse, to ensure that they got the right result. What a surprise

paparush

(7,964 posts)
195. "Cold Case Posse" Really?
Fri Mar 2, 2012, 09:49 PM
Mar 2012

What a name. I picture a bunch of middle age white guys with horrible necklaces trying and failing to throw gang signs

newspeak

(4,847 posts)
205. I was raised in Phoenix
Sat Mar 3, 2012, 10:43 AM
Mar 2012

raised there in the fifties and sixties. We once made jokes about the snow birds coming in; apparently it's no joke now. Couple of my relatives were politically active in the democratic party and had a democratic senator by the name of carl hayden. The john birchers were mostly mocked at that time; since they believe every poor person, union person and some church people were influenced by communism. Only the rich weren't influenced.

I had many hispanic friends growing up and co-workers. Never really had a problem; but apparently some of those living there now, seem to. arizona has become, in my book, batshite crazy.

President obama's birth certificate copy is from the state of hawaii; and vital records have certified it. My original birth certificate was lost and I had to get a copy. Of course, I'm white! The nuts started this the minute Obama was elected. You can have all of your little conspiracy theories; but the truth is he was born in hawaii, he has a birth certificate and there's an announcement in the hawaiian paper at the time.

Some of the ignorant in this country, makes us look ignorant to the rest of the world. It's also embarrassing that the "liberal" corporate media loves to stir the pot. Any crazy they seem to want to validate. And that includes the swift boat liars against kerry.

1Greensix

(111 posts)
206. Go arrest Obama, Joe.
Sat Mar 3, 2012, 05:59 PM
Mar 2012

If Sheriff Joe is so certain of that, he should go to the White House and arrest the President for forgery. I'm sure the Secret Service won't do anything. Probably won't even slam his face in the pavement while handcuffing him. Or mace him for struggling.

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