Sheriff Arpaio: Obama birth certificate a ‘forgery’
Source: Washington Times
PHOENIX Maricopa County Sheriff Joe Arpaio said Thursday he suspects the birth certificate President Obama released designed to prove his U.S. citizenship last year is a forgery.
A six-month long investigation conducted by my cold case posse has lead me to believe there is probable cause to believe that President Barack Obamas long-form birth certificate released by the White House on April 27, 2011, is a computer-generated forgery, the long-time sheriff, who has regularly battled the administration, said.
Sheriff Arpaio said at least two crimes were committed in his view through the forgery.
He released a 10-page report detailing what his investigators said were inconsistencies in the text characters of the birth certificate image the White House released, and also questioned details of the computer file itself.
Read more: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/mar/1/sheriff-arpaio-obama-birth-certificate-forgery/
southernyankeebelle
(11,304 posts)randome
(34,845 posts)jhrobbins
(1,633 posts)MADem
(135,425 posts)After a while, all you can do is "Consider the source."
I see Arpaio jumping the shark with this stunt. About time...
TheCowsCameHome
(40,168 posts)He doesn't comprehend very well. Kind of like the donkey and the 2x4.
freshwest
(53,661 posts)barbtries
(28,799 posts)this so-called investigation alone should warrant a prosecution based on the hatch act. (i think)
southernyankeebelle
(11,304 posts)bat the person already has strike one. He just doesn't need to be there.
GreatGrey
(7 posts)We Debunk Arpiao at TheFogBow
http://www.thefogbow.com/arpaio-report/
nxylas
(6,440 posts)Didn't know you were a DUer. Guess I haven't been paying attention.
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)Nice to see you getting this link hither and yon.
Res Ipsa
webDude
(875 posts)...he is bringing up a point that any one that has studied graphics programs(notably Photoshop) can tell you, that there are many problems with the long form file that was supplied to us, notably part of the "copy" being curved, as when you photocopy a book on the glass, and the part near the binding is skewed, while the text that is at that point is straight, tell me, does that not raise questions? Heck, I could do a better job, it looks like shoddy work.
I am not entertaining whether he was born here or not, I am saying that the document looks wrong.
southernyankeebelle
(11,304 posts)on the sheriff. I don't believe this sheriff even if his tongue came notorized. President Obama got a passport before he was president. The government doesn't issue passports with prove you are a citizen. I know because I had to show mine before I got my passport. This is all bull. If the were able to produce the doctor that delivered the president they still would say the man is lying.
they need to get over it.
newspeak
(4,847 posts)while those officials who needed to see the certified copy of perused-not on the internet but in person. What kind of shoddy investigation is this sheriff pursuing? He must think all of arizona residents are with him in the crazy department. Or he's attempting to CYA for those wanting to investigate some of his dealings.
I worked for SSA endorsing documents as to their legitimacy. President obama's state certified copy birth certificate is real. Just as my certified copy birth certificate is real.
So, do you get it? Those who needed to see his birth certificate, have seen it and are satisfied. Not some copy on the internet.
freshwest
(53,661 posts)With paperwork showing my direct family line arriving on these shores from Europe 400 years ago, I'll apply to be a citizen of a country that doesn't refuse to face the one fact this is really about.
That fact is that Americans voted overwhelmingly to elect a black man to live the White House.
Speculation about this is ill-founded and the people who disseminating this story are funded by the Koches and other reactionary groups trying to hold onto power.
bakpakr
(168 posts)Dawson Leery
(19,348 posts)Skittles
(153,169 posts)Denninmi
(6,581 posts)Footage at 6 and 11.
RoccoR5955
(12,471 posts)some say he was hatched!
dotymed
(5,610 posts)but if his "cold case posse' is doing their "investigation" on the tax payers dime, it is illegal. they at least have to be using "official contacts."
There has never (in my 50+ years) been a sitting President treated with such disrespect, not even Nixon. Of course, we have never had a black president (I am white). Remember when the "W" idiot was in office? When he was criticized we heard.."How dare you speak of a war-time president that way." Obama is a war-time president also. I think America is purposely a continual war nation.
It seems that Joe, being an elected official, would be restrained by law of speaking so treasonously of Obama. At least public decency should keep him from making such crazy accusations.
RoccoR5955
(12,471 posts)It's okay if you are a RepubliCON!
Wait Wut
(8,492 posts)His 10 page report is just a rehash of the same bullshit they tried to nail on the original release of the b.c. These people still haven't come out of the 18th century, so scanning technology is a mystery to them. But, they apparently believe in time travel, because that's how Pres. Obama was able to get the birth announcements into the paper. No other reasonable explanation.
brooklynite
(94,598 posts)...e.g. it didn't matter whether President Obama was born here or not; because his Father wasn't American it didn't count. Didn't expect him to double down with the crazies...
freshwest
(53,661 posts)AndyTiedye
(23,500 posts)kenfrequed
(7,865 posts)As a tabloid.
hobbit709
(41,694 posts)AndyTiedye
(23,500 posts)I wouldn't want any fish I was going to eat touching their ink, no thanks.
Wouldn't even use it to line a birdcage if I had a bird. Birds are sensitive.
Richardo
(38,391 posts)Hope the taxpayers of Maricopa County are happy with the squandering of their tax dollars.
I'd say there was at least one additional crime committed relating to the BC.
Bozita
(26,955 posts)Lucky Luciano
(11,257 posts)spedtr90
(719 posts)Bonhomme Richard
(9,000 posts)KDLarsen
(1,903 posts)This is birther 101, classic birther talking points etc.
This investigation (by former cops, no less!) is so flawed, I can imagine the AZ courts will be flooded with requests for retrials very shortly. If any of the former investigators had been working on a case involving me, I'd double-and-tripple check everything found.
timesup
(88 posts)Birthers are pathetic.
Maricopa county citizens should be protesting in force for his resignation for this and other idiotic activities.
KDLarsen
(1,903 posts)Is that the Selective Service System will have to take a look at how this 'potty posse' obtained the Presidents selective service records. Obtaining that information fraudulently is a federal crime, so someone is looking at jail time.
auburngrad82
(5,029 posts)What a moran.
KDLarsen
(1,903 posts)oldhippydude
(2,514 posts)every day they go by the liquor store.. buy a cold case and fanasize
byronius
(7,395 posts)Done considering. (Buzzer)
I think Joe's supposed to be in prison, right? By now? Cause he's murdered political opponents, and runs Maricopa like a gangland fiefdom? And stolen money? And lied to investigators? And fomented racial profiling and false arrests?
Surely we can take him at his word.
Oh, and by the way, he reminds me of this fellow --
Wow, they could be brothers.
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snooper2
(30,151 posts)appleannie1
(5,067 posts)electronic copy? Originals are kept on file in the state where a person is born. When you require proof of birth, they send you a COPY and keep the original on file. What total idiots.
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)they were born. They don't understand that people have to get certified copies of their birth certificates all the time, that lots of people lose or never possess the "original" birth certificate that their parents received when they were born.
In fact, I have the certificates for my children. They don't have them.
HeiressofBickworth
(2,682 posts)at the time of birth is nothing more than a keepsake from the hospital. It is not a government record of any kind and cannot be used to obtain passports (there may be some miniscule exception, but not the rule) or any other official purpose. In order to get a certified copy of one's birth certificate, application must be made to the appropriate authorities in the state in which the person was born. The state then reaches into its vault, and after 9/11, makes a summary of the contents of the document on file (the so-called "short form" and certifies it to be true and correct. It's what I obtained when I wanted to apply for my passport. It's what Mr. Obama had to furnish when the election commission ok'd him to be on the ballot in the first place and which President Obama posted to his website a few years ago. When this became an issue, the Republican governor of Hawaii reached into that same vault and had a copy of the original document made which was certified by the state and the governor that it was a true copy. The original remains safely in that same vault along with the birth certificates of all the other citizens born in Hawaii.
Why don't these birfer pin-heads just come out with it: they can't stand that a black man won the election and is in the White House. Well, they're mad at the wrong person. The fact is, the American Public elected a black man who is now in the White House. So where's the poutrage against the American Public? If a majority of people thought a black man shouldn't be President, they wouldn't have elected him, right?
ARRRRGGGGGGGGGG -- this issue just pisses me off. I can understand people who are opposed to policies of the Obama Administration, but challenging his citizenship is just preposterous.
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)MADem
(135,425 posts)meeksgeek
(1,214 posts)When I was in college (I'm such a snob, I know), I needed to get a passport for a study abroad trip. Unfortunately I lost my birth certificate during a move. So I had to pay Pennsylvania, the state where I was born, a few dollars for a copy. It looked nothing like the original, but for some bizarre reason the US State Dept accepted it as proof of my citizenship and issued me a US Passport. Wow.
pennylane100
(3,425 posts)I did not see any opinions, just a link to a newspaper story.
louis-t
(23,295 posts)Really?
Amaril
(1,267 posts)Arpaio to Obama: You better head for the hills you rascally varmit!
phantom power
(25,966 posts)You can see Sheriff Joe's posse discussed here on local news, with a totally straight face.
xtraxritical
(3,576 posts)they all have high paying jobs on the county payroll. How is this crap the county's business? Oh they work on it in their spare time, I see.
jtuck004
(15,882 posts)From [link:mises.org/rothbard/boetie.pdf|"The Politics of Obedience"] Étienne de La Boétie
"...whenever a ruler makes himself a dictator, all the wicked dregs of the nationI do not mean the pack of petty thieves and earless ruffians who, in a republic, are unimportant in evil or goodbut all those who are corrupted by burning ambition or extraordinary avarice, these gather around him and support him in order to have a share in the booty and to constitute themselves petty chiefs under the big tyrant. This is the practice among notorious robbers and famous pirates: some scour the country, others pursue voyagers; some lie in ambush, others keep a lookout...
And today they wear suits and uniforms, easier to blend in among the decent folk that way.
This was written about 1550 but it seems appropriate now...
onehandle
(51,122 posts)'Color' me surprised.
KDLarsen
(1,903 posts)Why not just come out and say it clearly: "Show us your papers N*****"
Aviation Pro
(12,172 posts)...fuckwit.
The crazies are getting desparate because they know that a President Obama landslide is in the offing.
That and Congress will be solidly Democratic after November.
BlueDemKev
(3,003 posts)The one who called this a "full-blown criminal investigation" and that the LFBC was definitely "forged"?
KDLarsen
(1,903 posts)His name is Mike Zulo iirc
BlueDemKev
(3,003 posts)....I mean, Barack Obama should sue these thugs. This is a crock of shit and these clowns have said NOTHING we haven't already heard. All their "findings" are speculative and rely on the feedback from so-called "experts" who are nothing more than birther cranks.
KDLarsen
(1,903 posts)Even if Joe is busy saying he's not accusing the President of any crimes.
Comrade Grumpy
(13,184 posts)When will this nasty dinosaur go and leave us in peace?
Just thinking about Sheriff Joe Arpaio make me grumpier.
BlueDemKev
(3,003 posts)Tyrs WolfDaemon
(2,289 posts)According to this web site: http://www.frankwu.com/Jell-O.html the dinos were killed by a giant ball of Jell-O.
Idea:
If the Jell-O theory is true then perhaps Jell-O will still save us from Arpaio! We just have to send him lots of packets of Jell-O and possibly Bill Cosby.
(This post was meant to be humorous, please understand that stupid humor is the only way we can expect to live in this crazy F'ed up world without going totally nuts, and I'm just trying to help. )
TheCowsCameHome
(40,168 posts)What a doofus.
KDLarsen
(1,903 posts)Seriously, all of this is straight off YouTube videos.
DisgustipatedinCA
(12,530 posts)steve2470
(37,457 posts)Last edited Thu Mar 1, 2012, 05:38 PM - Edit history (1)
I'm sure his motives are anything but pure.
marmar
(77,081 posts)Hugabear
(10,340 posts)If for nothing else, they could take him into custody for his pathetic record on civil rights.
TheCowsCameHome
(40,168 posts)Jesus, what a jerk........
frylock
(34,825 posts)Botany
(70,516 posts)... his faked birth announcement from the hospital along w/ all the
real births and deaths at the hospital that day so 2 different newspapers
could publish his birth announcement in Hawaii in 1961 so 47 years later
he could run for President of the United States even though he was really born
in Africa in communist run education camp.
LadyHawkAZ
(6,199 posts)UCmeNdc
(9,600 posts)Sheriff Arpaio is a fake law enforcement officer that will falsify evidence to get a conviction.
xtraxritical
(3,576 posts)appleannie1
(5,067 posts)Smilo
(1,944 posts)Hugabear
(10,340 posts)4saken
(152 posts)I saw a video of Michael Savage ranting with an "expert" about the text, without even knowing what optical character recognition is. It's really sad if their "investigation" concluded "inconsistencies" due to the same thing.
jpak
(41,758 posts)yup
KDLarsen
(1,903 posts)Yes folks, he just said: "The PDF document was on a computer 20 minutes before it was uploaded".
I mean..
Really..
I'm speechless.
JohnnyRingo
(18,636 posts)He leaves open the door to say he never actually said it is a fake. "He suspects", and "inconsistancies" are mealy mouthed words that can be backtracked later, as they surely will if anyone pursues his claims.
The burden of proof is not on the president, the White House, or the American people. This moron has to put up or shut up, but theres no chance he'll take that former option. He has done what he set out to do, and that is to feed the doubts of disgruntled racist Tea Baggers who cannot accept that an African American is president.
I'm getting sick of this shit, and I'm tired of dancing around calling them the racists they so obviously are.
jaysunb
(11,856 posts)admit what we all know.
You say :
I'm getting sick of this shit, and I'm tired of dancing around calling them the racists they so obviously are.
It's been obvious for 4 years now and it won't stop (publically) until people get called on it.
Vinca
(50,278 posts)Maybe the State of Hawaii will allow him to be filmed in the vital records vault examining the birth certificate that has been sitting there since the POTUS was born. There it would be, for all to see, a birther fantasy bubble popped.
HughBeaumont
(24,461 posts)Wonder what other conclusion was to be expected from a hyper-partisan Republican Sheriff?
GIVE IT UP, FUCKOS. GIVE. IT. UP. For ALL of us, pal. This is a fucking embarrassment.
winstars
(4,220 posts)EC
(12,287 posts)cannot access official paper or the officials in Hawaii for a real investigation and we are to fall for his scam? All they did was rehash old stuff given to them from crazies it looks like. Things like looking at the type and paper. No one claimed the birth cert. was the original - it was what Hawaii now issues for everyone, the originals are not public and are stored in large books that cannot be removed.
The hell with them. This issue is still dead, unless the media thinks they have an obligation to report what Fox reports.
CAPHAVOC
(1,138 posts)It is not Obamas fault. Hawaii had a Republican Governor. Lingle. Maybe she is the one who forged the documents.
Arkana
(24,347 posts)It's 100% real.
CAPHAVOC
(1,138 posts)He would get disbarred. If it is real or forged it was Hawaii that did it. I got the same thing from Florida. But I got the certification. To get a copy of the original you have to send off to Jacksonville. But you can not get the original itself. It is on Microfilm. Same in Hawaii. You get a copy. They are the ones who do it. Not yourself. I don't know about the Draft Card or the Social Security. I don't know. All Obama could give out is what Hawaii gave him.
KDLarsen
(1,903 posts)I know how it was obtained, and I know a certain retired USAF Lieutenant who must be sweating a bit by now. 'coz he's looking at jail time for identity fraud.
Edit: Disregard, I see it was obtained through FOIA. My point still stands though. I can imagine the Secret Service will start paying more attention to the birthers now.
msanthrope
(37,549 posts)samplegirl
(11,480 posts)he will never come out with any real evidence. Just keep these racists fired up.
Bring on the proof!!!!!!!
tblue37
(65,408 posts)Republicans are offended by it. This birther nonsense and the Republican freak-out over Obama's address to schoolchildren at the start of the school year have helped to expose the insanity of the GOP base and of the party itself, for encouraging the base and allowing it to control the party and dictate to Republican representatives in both houses of Congress.
The Wielding Truth
(11,415 posts)DFW
(54,408 posts)Some day, he'll go just one tiny weeny bit too far and the Secret Service will lead him off in handcuffs,
with him and a few of his "deputies" getting charged additionally for resisting arrest and assaulting
federal officers. I will not weep for him, nor any of his pals, if they go too far in resisting the feds and
suffer the consequences.
You at least do not use the normal ad-hominem attack. No proof is the way to look at this. I don't pay attention to unsound arguments. Calling the Sheriff names is silly. What I know about this is that Obama sent his Lawyer to get the paper from Hawaii and that the form is what he was given by the state. Any forgeries would have to have been done by the state of Hawaii. Not Obama. It could even be a GOP setup. The GOP Governor was in charge in Hawaii. Lingle. The new Democratic Governor came in and looked at it and said he could not find any problems. All Obama did was release the form given to his Lawyer by the state of Hawaii.
Ian David
(69,059 posts)... where he will lead him by the hand to the Bureau of Vital Statistics or where ever the certificate is kept, and show him the original, in the book?
steve2470
(37,457 posts)Even seeing Obama born in 1961 at the hospital in Honolulu, Hawai'i would not satisfy these idiots.
Ford_Prefect
(7,901 posts)As a Sheriff and officer does he not bear the responsibility to follow up on those with appropriate enforcement? Where is the DA and Judge to get the warrants to serve? Where is the coordination with other legal authorities who may have an interest?
Why the hands-off of this Sheriff? Who does he own? If this had been said about a Bush (or Shrub) President you know there would have been a powerful response from DOJ, FBI, or at least the DAR.
Who keeps protecting this guy??? ALEC? The NRA? The Chamber of Commerce? Several ordinary civilians have taken this kind of position and one result was interviews by either FBI or Secret Service. Or should that be who wants him grandstanding in front of the cameras challenging Federal law enforcement?
Who pursues the charges of false accusation by the Sheriff? Does the ACLU have a legal anti-hit squad?
One wonders if things are that bad in Maricopa County that someone wearing the badge more responsibly would not be an improvement. Is Arizona so much worse than Detroit, LA, or Lower Manhattan and which Mob is the Sheriff fronting for?
Yes I know the paper of record is more than suspect. This really is well beyond reasonable differences and begs the question of this guy's legal responsibilities much as Orly Taitz's behavior has.
A better source might be here: http://www.cbs12.com/news/arpaio-4739149-sheriff-obama.html
Arizona sheriff claims Obama birth certificate is 'fraud and a forgery'
March 01, 2012 3:17 PM
AP / WPEC-CBS12.com
PHOENIX -- America's self-proclaimed toughest sheriff finds himself entangled these days in his own thorny legal troubles: a federal grand jury probe over alleged abuse of power, Justice Department accusations of racial profiling and revelations that his department didn't adequately investigate hundreds of Arizona sex-crime cases.
Rather than seek cover, though, Maricopa County Sheriff Joe Arpaio is seeking to grab the spotlight in the same unorthodox fashion that has helped boost his career as a nationally known lawman.
Arpaio scheduled a news conference Thursday to unveil preliminary results of an investigation, conducted by members of his volunteer cold-case posse, into the authenticity of President Barack Obama's birth certificate, a controversy that has been widely debunked but which remains alive in the eyes of some conservatives. Last year, Donald Trump most prominently revived the issue while entertaining a possible bid for the presidency...
CAPHAVOC
(1,138 posts)Too deep. No way any Non Domestic entity could pull it off. If any of this is true I think Obama could only be CIA in deep cover. The best thing to do would be for Obama to order Hawaii to release all originals and put this to bed. We do not need this right now. I am for unsealing all the sealed records. After all Bush Sr. was CIA.
CAPHAVOC
(1,138 posts)CreekDog
(46,192 posts)CAPHAVOC
(1,138 posts)Where is Rod Serling when you need him?
HeiressofBickworth
(2,682 posts)to do anything of the sort. The Hawaii legislature would have to pass a bill authorizing the state record-keeper to produce certified copies of the entire document on file in its vaults rather than the summary certificates currently being issued.
For your information, after 9/11 and the hyper sensitivity about id theft, states changed their procedures from producing certified copies of birth certificates to producing certified copies of a summary of the contents of the certificate. Some information is left out like occupation of the parents, home addresses and other non-relevant information. What is on the summary certificate is the name of the individual, date and time of birth, place of birth and parents names.
At the same time, states developed application forms for people wanting a copy. One must be the individual or related to the individual and must provide a sworn statement. This isn't true in all states, but it is in some. Likewise, in some states, only an attorney on behalf of their client, can obtain death certificates for an individual.
A state certified copy of President Obama's birth certificate was ordered by the governor of Hawaii. No change in procedure for anyone else was authorized. And she was a Republican.
CAPHAVOC
(1,138 posts)To get a copy of the original you have to send off to Jacksonville where they are all on film.
SemperEadem
(8,053 posts)don't you have enough problems with the investigations breathing down your neck as it is? Stop trying to deflect attention from your own fuckery and jackassation.
NRaleighLiberal
(60,015 posts)Sparkly
(24,149 posts)And what exactly did they say?
I'm the answers to those questions will say everything.
SomethingFishy
(4,876 posts)And now it's gone
truthisfreedom
(23,148 posts)and claim that the administration is bloodying him because of his "discoveries" about Obama?
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Gormy Cuss
(30,884 posts)Response to Cali_Democrat (Original post)
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Ford_Prefect
(7,901 posts)The article I referred to at CBS Channel 12 (http://www.cbs12.com/news/arpaio-4739149-sheriff-obama.html) describes the situation of the Sheriff's charges as well as the way the White House has responded in the past.
DefendUrRights2's seemingly racist remarks aside there are precedents for this kind of thing.
Yes, the powerful generally get more than a little leeway with the truth. That works in both directions sometimes, too.
HuckleB
(35,773 posts)lovemydog
(11,833 posts)Senior wingnuts stand around not solving non-cases.
LynneSin
(95,337 posts)[M]ore than 400 sex-crimes reported to Maricopa County Sheriff Joe Arpaio's office during a three-year period ending in 2007 including dozens of alleged child molestations that were inadequately investigated and in some instances were not worked at all, according to current and former police officers familiar with the cases.
In El Mirage alone, where Arpaio's office was providing contract police services, officials discovered at least 32 reported child molestations with victims as young as 2 years old where the sheriff's office failed to follow through, even though suspects were known in all but six cases.
Many of the victims, said a retired El Mirage police official who reviewed the files, were children of illegal immigrants.
DippyDem
(659 posts)I wonder how many innocent slaves he has in his jails.
christx30
(6,241 posts)on the birth certificate thing for the next 20 years. I guess they are going to retroactivly impeach Obama if they find a smudge in 2025.
Here's a tip for you all: You don't like Obama. He's not a Republican. I can deal with that logic. But talking about the birth certificate thing is a waste of your time and makes you look like fools. Talk about the issues. That's what people care about. You talk about taxes or gas prices and stuff that people will care about, and you MIGHT win some hearts and minds. You talk about birth certificates and long-form vs. short-form, and you are no better than the guy screaming on the street corner about how aliens were working with the Russian mob to cover up the Kennedy assassination and fake the moon landing. Which is really silly. Everyone knows it was the KGB working with the Cuban mob. DUH! The aliens were just there to make sandwiches.
saras
(6,670 posts)If they have to resort to sense and logic, they've LOST. UTTERLY HUMILIATED. At that point, murder-suicide looks better than giving in to logic.
christx30
(6,241 posts)Any time that I am not on DU, I am browsing Free Republic so I can see what the other side is saying. Most of the time I am just saying "Wha?!" about their logic. Like claiming to be the party of small government, yet wanting laws against everything. Mostly in the comment I made, it's like watching a guy running from the Jason Vorees on Friday the 13th. You can scream at the TV for him to jump over that thing or hide, but you know that since he's had sex in the last 12 minutes, he's probably going to end up with an axe in his forehead. Same thing with these guys. You can tell him to focus on the issues, that no one is going to listen to the birth certificate thing, and to try to beat Obama on the issues. But you know that it won't do any good. They will say that eligiblity is the #1 issue. Meanwhile, Obama keeps passing laws like NDAA and there's no opposistion to that or anything else. They are failing to see their version of the big picture.
Swede Atlanta
(3,596 posts)Courts around the country have thrown this crap out time and time again and the Supreme Court has said they have no interest in considering the case. So Sheriff, did you use taxpayer dollars to do this investigation? I suggest you reimburse the local taxpayers for your abuse of funds or better yet you should be tried, convicted and incarcerated in one of your tent cities for misappropriation of public funds. I don't think it is in your jurisdiction to challenge the authenticity of Obama's birth certificate and fitness to run for or hold the highest office in the land.
steve2470
(37,457 posts)savannah43
(575 posts)Very creepy.
cstanleytech
(26,297 posts)Monk06
(7,675 posts)Rosa Luxemburg
(28,627 posts)spedtr90
(719 posts)Former 60 Minutes producer Mary Mapes's book Truth and Duty: The Press , the President, and the Privilege of Power. explains the first full assault on truth by right wing bloggers and pundits - and how it worked because the media accepted it without question. No one wanted to stand up against the loud, fast-moving lies of the bloggers or their personal and hateful attacks. Now this is just everyday right wing behavior.
The truth of Bush's time in the National Guard got buried. They attacked the documents as being fake. The book shows the difference in scanned and faxed copies from the originals. Colonel David Hackworth saw the documents and said Bush was AWOL. But they could never get past the widely spread belief about the document being forged.
They can't get away with it again!
Justice wanted
(2,657 posts)College Repubs and Conservative pacs.
This is just going to bring about ANOTHER more crazy round.
FedUp_Queer
(975 posts)I will give it to these people, they seem indefatigable. I will confess that this is exactly why I wish Obama had never held that press conference and produced his birth certificate. Notwithstanding the utter embarrassment and humiliation of a Black man having to stand there and "prove" his bona fides," there was no way he was going to satisfy these people. Mr. President...please...come to terms with the fact that some people don't like YOU and don't like Black people. You get the proverbial "A for effort" for trying to work with the likes of this Right-Wing Nut and his Senate Bruedern und Schwestern (German words for brothers and sisters intentionally used). BUT, how many times do they have to kick you in the teeth or figuratively lynch you until you realize this. There's nothing you can do, Mr. President. Some folks can't survive without an object of hatred and derision.
Sarah Ibarruri
(21,043 posts)Hayabusa
(2,135 posts)wasting six months of time (and thus money) by having those in charge of cold cases to peer over a birth certificate instead of trying to gain new evidence in some of those cases? Yeah, I don't think he's going to get reelected...
KDLarsen
(1,903 posts)Those six months has been spent on a minimum of research and a maximum of scriptwriting and coordinang with WND on how the press conference was going to play out.
KDLarsen
(1,903 posts)According to a post on a Birther debunking website (http://www.thefogbow.com), author John Woodman, who wrote a book debunking all the nutjob theories regarding President Obama's long-form birth certificate (http://www.amazon.com/Barack-Obamas-Birth-Certificate-Fraud/dp/0983759251/) contacted the potty posse six months ago, when it was revealed that they were going to do an investigation into it.
They never responded to him. Mike Zullo, who did most of the talking today, mentioned Woodman by name, so they're definantly aware of him.
amb123
(1,581 posts)The GOP Presidental Candidates, tea partiers like Jan Brewer, and birthers like Joe Arpaio are the proof.
W T F
(1,148 posts)HE"S AN ILLEGAL. HE NEEDS TO BE DEPORTED BECAUSE HE"S NOT AN AMERICAN....... TWO CAN PLAY THIS GAME!
rtracey
(2,062 posts)This whole discussion is mute point. President Obamas mother was an American citizen, and she bore him, so that's that......birthed bullshit can stop now, or actually stop in 2016......hahah see ya repubs.
technotwit
(71 posts)George Romney, Mitt's dad is a Mexican, born in Mexico.
Rick Santorum's dad was an Italian immigrant.
So obviously, they aren't qualified by barfer, er, birfer standards.
FiveGoodMen
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Vanje
(9,766 posts)It stirs the CRAZY!
janedum
(389 posts)Yeah, we've got a "B_L_A_C_K"- President.
Get over it!
rtracey
(2,062 posts)And this from a "man" that pisses on the constitution and says he's an American. This sheriff is a disgrace to the profession that so many have served bravely and honestly.
caseymoz
(5,763 posts)We have a sheriff whose claim to fame is his brutality and inhumanity to inmates who are awaiting trial, not convicted of anything. Yeah, that shows expertise. That right shows the mature, mental capacity and emotional balance to do competent research of documents.
Not the mention the fact that he's investigating a closed case, 3,000 miles out of his jurisdiction, requiring expensive plane tickets to do the redundant research, when nobody asked him to, and he's doing it with taxpayer money.
There's nothing left to this but psychotic racism.
LetTimmySmoke
(1,202 posts)Faygo Kid
(21,478 posts)I look for him to step down and take a gig at Fox News or somewhere else, and let the same dupes who have made wealthy people of Limbaugh, Coulter, Hannity and Beck make Arpaio a very rich man.
underpants
(182,829 posts)He should spend more time ANY TIME investigated child molestation complains in his county.
amuse bouche
(3,657 posts)It seems to deplete cerebral fluid and replace it with bug juice
Stellar
(5,644 posts)Point out so-called 'illegals'?!
Crunchy Frog
(26,587 posts)In any event, this guy and his "investigators" should be fired and then prosecuted for misuse of public funds.
Bruce Wayne
(692 posts)KrazeeKrewe
(34 posts)I downloaded Obama's Birth Certificate from the whitehouse website. I checked it in Photoshop & Illustrator. It only has one layer. Sheriff Joe Arpaio has been tricked or he is lying. Either of which makes him unqualified to be sheriff.
Major Hogwash
(17,656 posts)"We have located the Ark of the Covenant, it's in Yuma."
"We know now that JFK was stabbed to death in 1963 by a lone man armed with a knife."
"We have proven beyond a shadow of a doubt, many times."
"We have never gone to the moon as our crack team has proven that the tv cameras were broadcasting from the desert south of Casa Grande."
"We have gathered conclusive evidence that if shoes make your feet smell and your nose run, you are built upside down."
"We have proven that two wrongs do make a right, at least in Tucson."
47of74
(18,470 posts)muntrv
(14,505 posts)muntrv
(14,505 posts)Suji to Seoul
(2,035 posts)How do people in Maricopa County like this bastard so much? They keep re-electing him!
Guilded Lilly
(5,591 posts)fk himself.
sick to death of the racist jagoffs in this country.
evilhime
(326 posts)3 years ago!
Odin2005
(53,521 posts)fraudulent use of taxpayer money.
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edbermac
(15,941 posts)FOUR MORE YEARS!
richmwill
(1,326 posts)AsahinaKimi
(20,776 posts)WTH is wrong with these people? Why doesn't He (Arpaio) just admit he's a racist, and that he will never be satisfied with any NON WHITE Person holding the highest public office in the land??
Ne, Arpaio, demare kono baka yaro! Oshaberi! Neboken Ja neyo! Kutabare!
Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin
(108,035 posts)And eat some baloney.
Grassy Knoll
(10,118 posts)" Racist Pricks Fuck With Obama's Birth Certificate Long Enough To Create A Forgery "
Pinky pantie man is a fraud, and makes Trump look "Kinda" Sane.
saras
(6,670 posts)Historic NY
(37,451 posts)at the Registar of Vital Statistics office. Where are the airline tickets and sworn depositions from Hawaii by his posse?
bullshit Arpile
Oldtimeralso
(1,937 posts)That he makes Barney Fife look like "Dirty Harry".
ibegurpard
(16,685 posts)bwahahahahahaha!
McCamy Taylor
(19,240 posts)Maybe he can persuade House Repubicans to start impeachment hearings based on his findings. That will assure Obama's re-election.
SunSeeker
(51,574 posts)Between the birthers and the anti-birth control wingnuts, they're doing the DSCC's job for them, driving up donations and firing up the progressive base.
Zoeisright
(8,339 posts)You stupid old fuck.
Poll_Blind
(23,864 posts)PB
Matariki
(18,775 posts)steve2470
(37,457 posts)KDLarsen
(1,903 posts)Orly Taitz printed out a subpoena form with the judges signature already on it and sent it off to a number of persons. Obamas councel submitted a motion to dismiss a number of improper things surrounding the administrative hearing (not a court case), including the improperness of subpoeaning the President, and the judge refused it blankly.
Amusingly, Shurff Arpaio also recieved such a subpoena, and he too refused to appear.
madrchsod
(58,162 posts)do`t sound very american to me! i wonder which border his parents slipped across?
meeksgeek
(1,214 posts)on Ancestry.com shows the name Arpaio for several Italian immigrants.
DeadEyeDyck
(1,504 posts)His mother is still American which makes him American as George Washington!!!
I was born in Germany with a German mother and black American father. Can I not be President?
Prophet 451
(9,796 posts)EdStaff
(7 posts)Seriously where do these people come from?
AlbertCat
(17,505 posts)diagram this sentence...
A six-month long investigation conducted by my cold case posse has lead me to believe there is probable cause to believe that President Barack Obamas long-form birth certificate released by the White House on April 27, 2011, is a computer-generated forgery,
I know... like 6 year old wrote it.
Now translate it.
"He's black" would have been much more succinct.
Gruntled Old Man
(127 posts)Make me want to start saying "eh" a lot so people will think I'm a Canadian "snowbird." Jesus!
grantcart
(53,061 posts)If he gets indicted by a grand jury he will claim it is retribution for this.
2ndAmForComputers
(3,527 posts)Is there juicy stuff coming up about him and his gang of psychos?
grantcart
(53,061 posts)Walk away
(9,494 posts)I would love to see him and his "posse" being dragged off to prison by the Secret Service.
Lone_Star_Dem
(28,158 posts)boring..
ecstatic
(32,712 posts)is that all the major news networks have reported the story, with headlines such as "'America's Toughest Sheriff' Says Obama Birth Certificate May Be Forgery."
Really?
Wouldn't a more appropriate headline be, "Senile and Racist Sheriff Still Clings to Birther Myth?"
I'm so sickened and disgusted by what passes for journalism these days.
jonthebru
(1,034 posts)I have a recent copy of my Hawaii birth certificate and it looks just like the Presidents. With the different statistics of course. Note to the fools who would believe this: Every birth certificate copy is computer generated it comes off the states data base, is printed, and certified. Simple as that. I'm done with this racist crap.
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ornotna
(10,803 posts)So you don't believe the President was born In Hawaii then?
uppityperson
(115,677 posts)yurbud
(39,405 posts)joeybear
(12 posts)El Payaso's Insane Clown Posse reports results:
In the past, I'd heard that some AZ locals call Arpaio El Payaso (The Clown in Spanish)
http://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/icpinsaneclownposse/southwestvoodoo.html
[link:http://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/icpinsaneclownposse/southwestvoodoo.html|
RebelOne
(30,947 posts)blackspade
(10,056 posts)This asshole will do/say anything to stay in the public eye.
KDLarsen
(1,903 posts)That means Corsi (and by extension, WND.com) must have been working with MCSO and the potty posse, to ensure that they got the right result. What a surprise
veganlush
(2,049 posts)why can't they go the way of brietbart?
sellitman
(11,607 posts)Blocked !
paparush
(7,964 posts)What a name. I picture a bunch of middle age white guys with horrible necklaces trying and failing to throw gang signs
dfgrehe
(20 posts)wordpix
(18,652 posts)yup, totally believable
TownDrunk2
(63 posts)move to a border state, you're "informed" opinions will shift significantly.
newspeak
(4,847 posts)raised there in the fifties and sixties. We once made jokes about the snow birds coming in; apparently it's no joke now. Couple of my relatives were politically active in the democratic party and had a democratic senator by the name of carl hayden. The john birchers were mostly mocked at that time; since they believe every poor person, union person and some church people were influenced by communism. Only the rich weren't influenced.
I had many hispanic friends growing up and co-workers. Never really had a problem; but apparently some of those living there now, seem to. arizona has become, in my book, batshite crazy.
President obama's birth certificate copy is from the state of hawaii; and vital records have certified it. My original birth certificate was lost and I had to get a copy. Of course, I'm white! The nuts started this the minute Obama was elected. You can have all of your little conspiracy theories; but the truth is he was born in hawaii, he has a birth certificate and there's an announcement in the hawaiian paper at the time.
Some of the ignorant in this country, makes us look ignorant to the rest of the world. It's also embarrassing that the "liberal" corporate media loves to stir the pot. Any crazy they seem to want to validate. And that includes the swift boat liars against kerry.
1Greensix
(111 posts)If Sheriff Joe is so certain of that, he should go to the White House and arrest the President for forgery. I'm sure the Secret Service won't do anything. Probably won't even slam his face in the pavement while handcuffing him. Or mace him for struggling.