Top-Secret Document Reveals NSA Spied On Porn Habits As Part Of Plan To Discredit 'Radicalizers'
Source: Huffington Post
WASHINGTON -- The National Security Agency has been gathering records of online sexual activity and evidence of visits to pornographic websites as part of a proposed plan to harm the reputations of those whom the agency believes are radicalizing others through incendiary speeches, according to a top-secret NSA document. The document, provided by NSA whistleblower Edward Snowden, identifies six targets, all Muslims, as exemplars of how personal vulnerabilities can be learned through electronic surveillance, and then exploited to undermine a target's credibility, reputation and authority.
The NSA document, dated Oct. 3, 2012, repeatedly refers to the power of charges of hypocrisy to undermine such a messenger. A previous SIGINT" -- or signals intelligence, the interception of communications -- "assessment report on radicalization indicated that radicalizers appear to be particularly vulnerable in the area of authority when their private and public behaviors are not consistent, the document argues.
Among the vulnerabilities listed by the NSA that can be effectively exploited are viewing sexually explicit material online and using sexually explicit persuasive language when communicating with inexperienced young girls.
The Director of the National Security Agency -- described as "DIRNSA" -- is listed as the "originator" of the document. Beyond the NSA itself, the listed recipients include officials with the Departments of Justice and Commerce and the Drug Enforcement Administration.
Read more: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/11/26/nsa-porn-muslims_n_4346128.html?1385526024
blkmusclmachine
(16,149 posts)billhicks76
(5,082 posts)You think they might be using this against Congressional members? How about federal judges? Journalists from FoxMsnbcAbcCbs? Duh!!! What this essentially means is that elections can be negated easily, court cases reversed and news squashed. When will People wake up and realize that this means the end to our democracy no matter how many small, insignificant bones they toss us or how mesmerized we are by a personality or a position.
Scuba
(53,475 posts)Thanks billhicks76.
JimDandy
(7,318 posts)that the govt believes might appear hypocritical to his supporters...not threatening to expose, which would be blackmail. It would have a chilling effect on those you mentioned, though. These revealation about the depths our govt seems to have sunk to remind me of the old Chinese curse, "May you live in interesting times."
PSPS
(13,601 posts)...this story reveals how one will fabricate "logic" to support a desired premise. In this case, they claim to think that "hypocrisy" will undermine credibility. All one has to do is look at how the corporate/state media continues to prop up the GOP posters of hypocrisy to see that it doesn't work.
Exactly.
dreamnightwind
(4,775 posts)Hypocrisy is tolerated if you're on a certain side of things, and exploited if you're not. This is a tool for extortion and suppression of dissent, and no doubt a highly effective one.
Psephos
(8,032 posts)cantbeserious
(13,039 posts)eom
nomorenomore08
(13,324 posts)They don't have the guts, or in some cases the plain good sense, to do otherwise.
dreamnightwind
(4,775 posts)would be more likely to have their dirty laundry made public than NSA defenders.
cantbeserious
(13,039 posts)eom
dreamnightwind
(4,775 posts)It isn't about whether the surveilled activities are worthy of exposure, they're not going to go around exposing everyone that does these things. Its about whether the people they have dirt on are serving their purposes, or not.
cantbeserious
(13,039 posts)eom
dreamnightwind
(4,775 posts)loudsue
(14,087 posts)The target wouldn't even have to do anything wrong! The NSA could just SAY he/she did something, set it up, and then that person is screwed. If they can tap into e-mails, they can install anything they want to. They are just out of control.
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)avaistheone1
(14,626 posts)USA! USA! USA!
Peace Patriot
(24,010 posts)...and how the spying can be--and likely is being--used to smear/intimidate/blackmail all kinds of people, and ruin their lives and potential influence, just by that means alone--the NSA has the capability, now, to PLANT data into personal computers of which the individual is completely unaware, that can result in prosecutions and imprisonment, if the NSA doesn't like you, or as a 'favor,' say, to prosecutors who need to up their crime busting stats, or for other purposes, such as tampering with the judicial system (say, changing witness testimony).
We also don't know--and probably can't know, our government has become so secretive--WHO the NSA is WORKING FOR. We certainly know, generally, that they are working for the profit of "military-industrial complex" but all sorts of 'favors' may be handed out to private transglobal corporations or even individual billionaires, to smear, intimidate, blackmail and ruin people THEY don't like, with personal info or with dirty tricks.
Our government isn't our government any more. It has been PRIVATIZED--from the 'TRADE SECRET' voting machines to the trade secret drone bombers. The privatization of government, especially of the military, has been going on for some time now. It's what President Eisenhower warned us against in his famous last speech in which he entered the phrase "military-industrial complex" into our political language. But, with the Bush-Cheney-Rumsfeld junta, it has been made SO MUCH worse than it ever has been. There is no longer ANY distinction between government and corporate. We are governed BY corporations FOR THEIR OWN PROFIT. And these buggers who make up the "National Security Agency" are part of a "revolving door" of servants to corporate PROFIT.
In addition to a mishmash of 'personal' favors that are being doled out by the spying/dirty tricks agencies, we need to worry about who/what is behind all this--behind the ruination of our democracy that we can plainly see, every day--for instance, in a Congress with a SINGLE DIGIT approval rating (8%, was it, recently?).
I don't think it's just a wild chaos of personal profiteering--though I do think that there are contending parties and rivalries within the MIC that make it seem wild and chaotic at times. (For instance, the war between the CIA and the Bush Junta that reached a crisis during Katrina, mostly out of sight, and resulted in Rumsfeld being ousted and Cheney being curtailed in 2006, mostly over Iran; or, another, for instance, the current war between the military/police state profiteers of the "war on drugs" and Monsanto, et al, who are ready to legalize, GMO-ize and monopolize the trillion+ marijuana trade). I strongly suspect remote powers, guiding hands, trillionaires on fortified islands somewhere (nope, global warming might swamp them--say, in fortified ranches, say in Paraguay, smack in the middle of the richest resources on earth, with no threatening oceans in sight, but lots of aquifer). (Ha-ha-ha.)
Whoever they are, they have been choosing our presidents, and playing our system like a piano, since they offed JFK. We can tell from the TREND of things--all toward fascism and billionaire/trillionaire profit--that there just about has to be a "guiding hand" group behind it all. But who they are may be impossible to find out. It's likely an international group, for one thing. (In the CIA/Bush Junta war, I think the Chinese were involved, or, at least, Bush Sr.'s Chinese interests, opposed to the nuking of iran, because Iran supplies China with a lot of its oil.)
It may not be important WHO is doing all this--from the privatization of our voting system to the privatization of everything else--that is, who exactly is doing it, who's plan it is. It may be more important simply to recognize that there IS a plan, and to begin attacking/dismantling it, piece by piece. I would start with the 'TRADE SECRET' voting machines, partly because "we, the people" still have theoretical power over voting systems, in our states and counties. Likely, the moment such a movement gets momentum, the Diebold Congress would take that power away formally. But it would be worth the fight, since vote counting is SO fundamental. Without transparent vote counting--vote counting in the PUBLIC venue--no other reform is possible, as we have seen recently and over the last decade.
We also need to become suspicious of EVERYTHING we read or get told on TV/radio by the corporate press, because of their inherent pro-fascist, pro-corporate bias, but also because they are being USED, by the NSA and related entities, to smear/ruin/prosecute people who may have no ability to defend themselves, along with other kinds of "Big Lie" propaganda. I'm thinking particularly, right now, of that bullshit about Julian Assange being "wanted by Sweden for questioning on rape charges." That was the compleat dirty trick, if there ever was one.
When you become suspicious, for good reason, about everything you read/see from the corporate press, it is tempting to become paranoid or passive. That we must not do. South Americans have shown us that democracy CAN be restored and CAN work--no matter how much oppression has gone before. We need to follow their example, fix our broken voting system, and get on with it. It's not easy, God knows, but it CAN be done.
loudsue
(14,087 posts)I'm afraid I've already passed the suspicious/paranoid thresh hold. But as your post points out about the seeming invisible hand at work, there are a couple of places I put my suspicions.
There was the election theft of 2000, where a very powerful, oil-related family, heavily married to the CIA and the Saudi Royal family, stole an election right out in the light of day.
Then you look at the Saudi Royal family ownership stake in Fox News, and their long-standing association with Rupert Murdoch. Then you look at their oil production and income.
The Saudis (in 2012) produced 11.6 barrels of oil a day. At a comfortable (for them) rate of $100 per barrel, that adds up to an income of, roughly, $11.5 BILLION dollars PER DAY in income.....to one large family.
ELEVEN AND A HALF BILLION DOLLARS A DAY. That can buy some clandestine relationships with...well, with anyone they damn well please. Or else, I'm sure, in the mode of the bush family mafia, they can wellstone the opposition.
And they don't want women to drive cars. And Osama bin Laden's dad became extremely wealthy as their main general contractor. They really don't approve of ways of the people of the USA.
Then there are the banks. Then there are the chemical/military companies trying to corner the world's food supply, and THE US ALLOWS THAT!!!! WTF?? There are just too many things that show that hand you speak of at work.
Am I paranoid? Oh boy.
Nihil
(13,508 posts)"Enemy of the State" (1998) was far too prescient for my liking ...
On the Road
(20,783 posts)Either on citizens or noncitizens in the country.
Ever since these organizations originated, they have pretty much had a free hand in surveilling foreign nationals.
delrem
(9,688 posts)DRoseDARs
(6,810 posts)"None of the six individuals targeted by the NSA is accused in the document of being involved in terror plots. The agency believes they all currently reside outside the United States. It identifies one of them, however, as a "U.S. person," which means he is either a U.S. citizen or a permanent resident. A U.S. person is entitled to greater legal protections against NSA surveillance than foreigners are."
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)But is anything the NSA claims credible?
And if they haven't done it yet, what is to keep this secret organization from doing it in the future.
The NSA surveillance has to stop. It would be great if they had limited themselves to surveillance of terrorists, but that is not what they have done.
The proof is that according to Der Spiegel, they named their surveillance of networks in Belgium, "Operation Socialism." The NSA surveillance has a specific ideological point of view. I can't say I disagree with it, but it is inappropriate for a secret wing of the US government to have a specific ideological viewpoint with regard to foreign democratic societies. Who do the NSA think they are?
Android3.14
(5,402 posts)Your post manages to imply that the NSA has a socialist agenda, casting an unflattering light on both.
dreamnightwind
(4,775 posts)I read it as an NSA operation that is targeting socialism. Maybe the poster will weigh in but I'm pretty sure that's what was meant.
oioioi
(1,127 posts)rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)want data on you or me, and they cant get if from the NSA (per your post) they can always get if from the Germans or Chinese or French.
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)greiner3
(5,214 posts)I can't find the smilie for 'BARF'.
AAO
(3,300 posts)Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)It's there.
jsr
(7,712 posts)for this important mission.
DJ13
(23,671 posts)Hekate
(90,714 posts)FraDon
(518 posts)
illegally obtained 'intelligence' for blackmail & extortion
Chapter One in the Tyrants' Playbook
more valuable than gold.
Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)Does the target in question have a *thing* for Asian women or women with certain body styles for example? Well the CIA could easily conjure up his ideal woman and find a way to make them meet by pure happenstance...
DeSwiss
(27,137 posts)...than the goddamned NSA, the CIA.
- A plague on all the bastard's houses.......
K&R
dreamnightwind
(4,775 posts)This is where it leads, folks. If we're ok with them using these tactics against Muslims, that brings them that much closer to using these tactics against anyone who isn't buying what the powers that be are selling (and for all I know that may already be happening).
For those who think the tactics would be not be effective against us, they're missing the point. The willingness to use such tactics is the point. If one tactic is not effective for a particular situation, they'll use a different one. Armed with knowing everything that we do that leaves any kind of digital footprint, dissent can and will be crushed. Stop spying on us already.
JimDandy
(7,318 posts)Poll_Blind
(23,864 posts)PB
iamthebandfanman
(8,127 posts)that's all I care about..
unfortunately we have know way of knowing that beyond their word ...
oioioi
(1,127 posts)grahamhgreen
(15,741 posts)ReRe
(10,597 posts)... even though he's been dead for decades, he's alive and well in the spook agencies of this government. Since 9/11, they're all working together under the title of "Homeland Security." They can profile each and every one of us at a moments notice if they want to blackmail us into silence or submission behind the scenes or publicly. In the past 50 years, the USA has taken on characteristics of our foes in WWII. Has anyone else noticed that?
CFLDem
(2,083 posts)to destroy an opposition leader is claim they found indecent pictures of children on his computer and the public's imagination will do the rest, in spite of the truth.
Very dark magic, this is.
polynomial
(750 posts)A fantasy clause in the Constitution.
Hear yea, Hear yea, the peoples Court under the defined article and amendments of the Constitution is here by in session. All rise to turn on your computer internet connection to all America. The honorable judges presiding ; We the people as judge now ready for todays issues.
First order of legal ease to resolve is NSA monitor of free citizens of porno sites. First notice is that all material sexual or other-wise is considered communication of the free press falling under the first amendment.
Second bias to sexual orientation is prohibited unless harm or death is inflicted to a victim. Of importance a legal age to be determined. One by parents, two if by beginning puberty, three for the prime, middle, and upper classical Platonic intimate and affectionate but not sexual, or other love and intimacies marriage with the same sex or other, but not with a beast, we are not there yet.
So our first submission and evidence file to be reviewed by the judge and jury We the people. So, the NSA will download all such file files that are deemed to possess extraordinary perversions and human behavior that prevent ascension in Gods way with those blessing in feelings and the so called perpetual ecstasy enhanced buy drugs that can develop behavior that is too big to fail but will eventually cause crazy chaos.
These issues to be judged by we the people in open petition that count as vote for or against an issue as crime, misdemeanor or no crime at all. Lets get started...
randome
(34,845 posts)And yet many want to leap to the conclusion that this means the NSA is spying on everyone's porn habits. It's the hyperbole that makes people turn away and stop listening.
Oh, and welcome back to LBN, Joe!
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DisgustipatedinCA
(12,530 posts)randome
(34,845 posts)Six individuals. Who were already targets of an investigation.
Facts matter.
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DisgustipatedinCA
(12,530 posts)You're dutifully eating that which is being spoon-fed to you. No one else is.
SpankMe
(2,957 posts)This has been revealed in prior Snowden leaks.
Then, they go into that massive datastore and pull specified information on specified individuals based on narrow search criteria; they "dip in the lake" as needed.
The report referenced in the news story focuses on the 6 individuals. With the capabilities that exist, it is ridiculous to believe that the NSA collected data on only these individuals and didn't collect data on anyone else.
It is likely that this data on everyone else is still in the datastore like a bunch of unexploded grenades ready to be picked up whenever a government operative wants information.
The Hoover legacy continues with the full force of the government behind it and enabled by the technology of the current time. To think otherwise is being willfully naive and intentionally argumentative.
randome
(34,845 posts)Snowden did not show anything at all like that. He and Greenwald presented their Powerpoint slides that show the NSA has secure FTP servers in place for the transfer of information legitimately obtained via warrant.
They misinterpreted that to mean the NSA is basically downloading the Internet on a daily basis. Which is nonsense.
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oioioi
(1,127 posts)christx30
(6,241 posts)center in Utah that can hold an estimated 3 and 12 exabytes of information. They're not doing it it catalog the best of Chevy Chase.
NobodyHere
(2,810 posts)I think they're trying collect all the porn on the internet.
HoosierCowboy
(561 posts)...for being able to watch Internet porn on the job at the NSA. What a way to make a living!
Scurrilous
(38,687 posts)woo me with science
(32,139 posts)This is the mechanism of fascism and tyranny. This is an infrastructure that can and will be used against any inconvenient citizen. And, no, the government is not a human criminal defendant entitled to presumption of innocence until proven guilty.
No, the government is a system that wields vast power and control over human lives and is highly corruptible, as history amply shows.
The Founders knew this, which is why the Bill of Rights focuses above all on what the government may NOT do. Rather than "innocent until proven guilty," the mantra for dealing with governments must ALWAYS be constant vigilance and preventing opportunities for abuse before they occur.
That's why we have a Fourth Amendment that prohibits fascist garbage like mass spying on citizens in the first place.
Comrade Grumpy
(13,184 posts)marshall
(6,665 posts)Jimmy Swaggart continued to have his followers after repeated news stories of his porn and prostitute habits. That these men or women are doing something similar will likely have a negligible effect on their acolytes.