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Joe Shlabotnik

(5,604 posts)
Wed Nov 27, 2013, 02:23 AM Nov 2013

Top-Secret Document Reveals NSA Spied On Porn Habits As Part Of Plan To Discredit 'Radicalizers'

Source: Huffington Post

WASHINGTON -- The National Security Agency has been gathering records of online sexual activity and evidence of visits to pornographic websites as part of a proposed plan to harm the reputations of those whom the agency believes are radicalizing others through incendiary speeches, according to a top-secret NSA document. The document, provided by NSA whistleblower Edward Snowden, identifies six targets, all Muslims, as “exemplars” of how “personal vulnerabilities” can be learned through electronic surveillance, and then exploited to undermine a target's credibility, reputation and authority.

The NSA document, dated Oct. 3, 2012, repeatedly refers to the power of charges of hypocrisy to undermine such a messenger. “A previous SIGINT" -- or signals intelligence, the interception of communications -- "assessment report on radicalization indicated that radicalizers appear to be particularly vulnerable in the area of authority when their private and public behaviors are not consistent,” the document argues.

Among the vulnerabilities listed by the NSA that can be effectively exploited are “viewing sexually explicit material online” and “using sexually explicit persuasive language when communicating with inexperienced young girls.”

The Director of the National Security Agency -- described as "DIRNSA" -- is listed as the "originator" of the document. Beyond the NSA itself, the listed recipients include officials with the Departments of Justice and Commerce and the Drug Enforcement Administration.

Read more: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/11/26/nsa-porn-muslims_n_4346128.html?1385526024

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Top-Secret Document Reveals NSA Spied On Porn Habits As Part Of Plan To Discredit 'Radicalizers' (Original Post) Joe Shlabotnik Nov 2013 OP
They're making a list and checking it twice. They're gonna find out who has to be iced. blkmusclmachine Nov 2013 #1
We Allowed This To Happen billhicks76 Nov 2013 #27
Nailed it. Every judge, every cop on the street, every potential juror, subject to blackmail. Scuba Nov 2013 #29
Neutralizing an agitator by [i]actually[/i] exposing any private behaviors JimDandy Nov 2013 #30
Besides being both illegal and unproductive... PSPS Nov 2013 #2
Toucher! defacto7 Nov 2013 #3
Couldn't disagree more dreamnightwind Nov 2013 #13
Yes, exactly. A point that many ignore. n/t Psephos Nov 2013 #16
Not Surprised - Wonder Where The NSA Defenders Are Now That Their Dirty Laundry May Become Public cantbeserious Nov 2013 #4
People will defend anything just because it happens to be the status quo. nomorenomore08 Nov 2013 #14
I think NSA attackers dreamnightwind Nov 2013 #17
That Would Be Until The Defenders Do Something Worthy Of Exposure In the Eyes Of the NSA cantbeserious Nov 2013 #22
Why is that? dreamnightwind Nov 2013 #26
That Is What I Said cantbeserious Nov 2013 #34
Ah, OK, sorry - eom dreamnightwind Nov 2013 #38
That is just slime slinging. NSA is way past losing their cred, if you ask me. loudsue Nov 2013 #5
If they know what IP you had in a given times frame they could plant it in a server log. Spitfire of ATJ Nov 2013 #8
I wondered about that. avaistheone1 Nov 2013 #12
You got it, loudsue! It's not just the spying that's out of control... Peace Patriot Nov 2013 #52
It is so good to see you, Peace Patriot! Thanks for that great post! loudsue Nov 2013 #57
Excellent post - thanks! Nihil Nov 2013 #59
You Do Realize That This is Not Being Done in the US, Right? On the Road Nov 2013 #6
Where's your sarcasm flag???? delrem Nov 2013 #18
Congradulations on not reading the article... DRoseDARs Nov 2013 #19
So we've been told. JDPriestly Nov 2013 #20
Curious way to frame that Android3.14 Nov 2013 #32
I think you misunderstood dreamnightwind Nov 2013 #37
"You Do Realize That This is Not Being Done in the US, Right?" oioioi Nov 2013 #55
We have a free hand in surveilling foreign nationals and so do the Germans Therefore, if Exxon or GE rhett o rick Nov 2013 #58
I wanna see Hannity's porn collection. Spitfire of ATJ Nov 2013 #7
"I wanna see Hannity's porn collection." greiner3 Nov 2013 #36
You need to click on the ellipsis (...) AAO Nov 2013 #47
Click the button with the three dots... Spitfire of ATJ Nov 2013 #48
I wanna know how much the NSA is spending on new keyboards jsr Nov 2013 #9
This sounds like an old J Edgar Hoover plan DJ13 Nov 2013 #10
J Edgar Hoover's ghost haunts us still, having never been purged Hekate Nov 2013 #23
on point • "J.Edgar's Safe" FraDon Nov 2013 #35
CIA employed it too for the so-called "honey traps" Blue_Tires Nov 2013 #50
There only one thing more pornographic...... DeSwiss Nov 2013 #11
K & R dreamnightwind Nov 2013 #15
+1 n/t JimDandy Nov 2013 #31
+1 Poll_Blind Nov 2013 #53
As long as its not being done domestically.. iamthebandfanman Nov 2013 #21
"As long as its not being done domestically.." oioioi Nov 2013 #56
Yes, but how many strokes? Lol grahamhgreen Nov 2013 #24
It all hearkens back to J. Edgar Hoover.... ReRe Nov 2013 #25
All the government needs to do CFLDem Nov 2013 #28
A comedy twist polynomial Nov 2013 #33
Funny how HP minimizes the fact that there are only 6 foreign individuals identified. randome Nov 2013 #39
There's no NSA filth you won't defend. Sad, but expected at this point. nt DisgustipatedinCA Nov 2013 #40
So you don't believe what the article says, then? randome Nov 2013 #41
That you can say "facts matter" when it comes to the NSA is telling. DisgustipatedinCA Nov 2013 #42
randome: It has already been established that NSA collects data on everyone. SpankMe Nov 2013 #45
They do not 'collect everything'. That's absurd. randome Nov 2013 #46
"They do not 'collect everything'. That's absurd." oioioi Nov 2013 #54
There's a reason they are building that data christx30 Nov 2013 #61
No they aren't NobodyHere Nov 2013 #62
Just an excuse... HoosierCowboy Nov 2013 #43
That ain't right... Scurrilous Nov 2013 #44
This is indefensible except to propagandists and fools. woo me with science Nov 2013 #49
Snowden--the hits just keep on coming. Thank you, man of the year. Comrade Grumpy Nov 2013 #51
I doubt if their audience cares that they are porn addicts marshall Nov 2013 #60
 

billhicks76

(5,082 posts)
27. We Allowed This To Happen
Wed Nov 27, 2013, 05:00 AM
Nov 2013

You think they might be using this against Congressional members? How about federal judges? Journalists from FoxMsnbcAbcCbs? Duh!!! What this essentially means is that elections can be negated easily, court cases reversed and news squashed. When will People wake up and realize that this means the end to our democracy no matter how many small, insignificant bones they toss us or how mesmerized we are by a personality or a position.

 

Scuba

(53,475 posts)
29. Nailed it. Every judge, every cop on the street, every potential juror, subject to blackmail.
Wed Nov 27, 2013, 05:54 AM
Nov 2013

Thanks billhicks76.

JimDandy

(7,318 posts)
30. Neutralizing an agitator by [i]actually[/i] exposing any private behaviors
Wed Nov 27, 2013, 07:00 AM
Nov 2013

that the govt believes might appear hypocritical to his supporters...not threatening to expose, which would be blackmail. It would have a chilling effect on those you mentioned, though. These revealation about the depths our govt seems to have sunk to remind me of the old Chinese curse, "May you live in interesting times."

PSPS

(13,601 posts)
2. Besides being both illegal and unproductive...
Wed Nov 27, 2013, 02:40 AM
Nov 2013

...this story reveals how one will fabricate "logic" to support a desired premise. In this case, they claim to think that "hypocrisy" will undermine credibility. All one has to do is look at how the corporate/state media continues to prop up the GOP posters of hypocrisy to see that it doesn't work.

dreamnightwind

(4,775 posts)
13. Couldn't disagree more
Wed Nov 27, 2013, 03:32 AM
Nov 2013

Hypocrisy is tolerated if you're on a certain side of things, and exploited if you're not. This is a tool for extortion and suppression of dissent, and no doubt a highly effective one.

nomorenomore08

(13,324 posts)
14. People will defend anything just because it happens to be the status quo.
Wed Nov 27, 2013, 03:36 AM
Nov 2013

They don't have the guts, or in some cases the plain good sense, to do otherwise.

dreamnightwind

(4,775 posts)
26. Why is that?
Wed Nov 27, 2013, 04:46 AM
Nov 2013

It isn't about whether the surveilled activities are worthy of exposure, they're not going to go around exposing everyone that does these things. Its about whether the people they have dirt on are serving their purposes, or not.

loudsue

(14,087 posts)
5. That is just slime slinging. NSA is way past losing their cred, if you ask me.
Wed Nov 27, 2013, 02:49 AM
Nov 2013

The target wouldn't even have to do anything wrong! The NSA could just SAY he/she did something, set it up, and then that person is screwed. If they can tap into e-mails, they can install anything they want to. They are just out of control.

Peace Patriot

(24,010 posts)
52. You got it, loudsue! It's not just the spying that's out of control...
Wed Nov 27, 2013, 02:16 PM
Nov 2013

...and how the spying can be--and likely is being--used to smear/intimidate/blackmail all kinds of people, and ruin their lives and potential influence, just by that means alone--the NSA has the capability, now, to PLANT data into personal computers of which the individual is completely unaware, that can result in prosecutions and imprisonment, if the NSA doesn't like you, or as a 'favor,' say, to prosecutors who need to up their crime busting stats, or for other purposes, such as tampering with the judicial system (say, changing witness testimony).

We also don't know--and probably can't know, our government has become so secretive--WHO the NSA is WORKING FOR. We certainly know, generally, that they are working for the profit of "military-industrial complex" but all sorts of 'favors' may be handed out to private transglobal corporations or even individual billionaires, to smear, intimidate, blackmail and ruin people THEY don't like, with personal info or with dirty tricks.

Our government isn't our government any more. It has been PRIVATIZED--from the 'TRADE SECRET' voting machines to the trade secret drone bombers. The privatization of government, especially of the military, has been going on for some time now. It's what President Eisenhower warned us against in his famous last speech in which he entered the phrase "military-industrial complex" into our political language. But, with the Bush-Cheney-Rumsfeld junta, it has been made SO MUCH worse than it ever has been. There is no longer ANY distinction between government and corporate. We are governed BY corporations FOR THEIR OWN PROFIT. And these buggers who make up the "National Security Agency" are part of a "revolving door" of servants to corporate PROFIT.

In addition to a mishmash of 'personal' favors that are being doled out by the spying/dirty tricks agencies, we need to worry about who/what is behind all this--behind the ruination of our democracy that we can plainly see, every day--for instance, in a Congress with a SINGLE DIGIT approval rating (8%, was it, recently?).

I don't think it's just a wild chaos of personal profiteering--though I do think that there are contending parties and rivalries within the MIC that make it seem wild and chaotic at times. (For instance, the war between the CIA and the Bush Junta that reached a crisis during Katrina, mostly out of sight, and resulted in Rumsfeld being ousted and Cheney being curtailed in 2006, mostly over Iran; or, another, for instance, the current war between the military/police state profiteers of the "war on drugs" and Monsanto, et al, who are ready to legalize, GMO-ize and monopolize the trillion+ marijuana trade). I strongly suspect remote powers, guiding hands, trillionaires on fortified islands somewhere (nope, global warming might swamp them--say, in fortified ranches, say in Paraguay, smack in the middle of the richest resources on earth, with no threatening oceans in sight, but lots of aquifer). (Ha-ha-ha.)

Whoever they are, they have been choosing our presidents, and playing our system like a piano, since they offed JFK. We can tell from the TREND of things--all toward fascism and billionaire/trillionaire profit--that there just about has to be a "guiding hand" group behind it all. But who they are may be impossible to find out. It's likely an international group, for one thing. (In the CIA/Bush Junta war, I think the Chinese were involved, or, at least, Bush Sr.'s Chinese interests, opposed to the nuking of iran, because Iran supplies China with a lot of its oil.)

It may not be important WHO is doing all this--from the privatization of our voting system to the privatization of everything else--that is, who exactly is doing it, who's plan it is. It may be more important simply to recognize that there IS a plan, and to begin attacking/dismantling it, piece by piece. I would start with the 'TRADE SECRET' voting machines, partly because "we, the people" still have theoretical power over voting systems, in our states and counties. Likely, the moment such a movement gets momentum, the Diebold Congress would take that power away formally. But it would be worth the fight, since vote counting is SO fundamental. Without transparent vote counting--vote counting in the PUBLIC venue--no other reform is possible, as we have seen recently and over the last decade.

We also need to become suspicious of EVERYTHING we read or get told on TV/radio by the corporate press, because of their inherent pro-fascist, pro-corporate bias, but also because they are being USED, by the NSA and related entities, to smear/ruin/prosecute people who may have no ability to defend themselves, along with other kinds of "Big Lie" propaganda. I'm thinking particularly, right now, of that bullshit about Julian Assange being "wanted by Sweden for questioning on rape charges." That was the compleat dirty trick, if there ever was one.

When you become suspicious, for good reason, about everything you read/see from the corporate press, it is tempting to become paranoid or passive. That we must not do. South Americans have shown us that democracy CAN be restored and CAN work--no matter how much oppression has gone before. We need to follow their example, fix our broken voting system, and get on with it. It's not easy, God knows, but it CAN be done.

loudsue

(14,087 posts)
57. It is so good to see you, Peace Patriot! Thanks for that great post!
Wed Nov 27, 2013, 03:33 PM
Nov 2013

I'm afraid I've already passed the suspicious/paranoid thresh hold. But as your post points out about the seeming invisible hand at work, there are a couple of places I put my suspicions.

There was the election theft of 2000, where a very powerful, oil-related family, heavily married to the CIA and the Saudi Royal family, stole an election right out in the light of day.

Then you look at the Saudi Royal family ownership stake in Fox News, and their long-standing association with Rupert Murdoch. Then you look at their oil production and income.

The Saudis (in 2012) produced 11.6 barrels of oil a day. At a comfortable (for them) rate of $100 per barrel, that adds up to an income of, roughly, $11.5 BILLION dollars PER DAY in income.....to one large family.

ELEVEN AND A HALF BILLION DOLLARS A DAY. That can buy some clandestine relationships with...well, with anyone they damn well please. Or else, I'm sure, in the mode of the bush family mafia, they can wellstone the opposition.

And they don't want women to drive cars. And Osama bin Laden's dad became extremely wealthy as their main general contractor. They really don't approve of ways of the people of the USA.

Then there are the banks. Then there are the chemical/military companies trying to corner the world's food supply, and THE US ALLOWS THAT!!!! WTF?? There are just too many things that show that hand you speak of at work.

Am I paranoid? Oh boy.

On the Road

(20,783 posts)
6. You Do Realize That This is Not Being Done in the US, Right?
Wed Nov 27, 2013, 02:57 AM
Nov 2013

Either on citizens or noncitizens in the country.

Ever since these organizations originated, they have pretty much had a free hand in surveilling foreign nationals.

 

DRoseDARs

(6,810 posts)
19. Congradulations on not reading the article...
Wed Nov 27, 2013, 03:53 AM
Nov 2013

"None of the six individuals targeted by the NSA is accused in the document of being involved in terror plots. The agency believes they all currently reside outside the United States. It identifies one of them, however, as a "U.S. person," which means he is either a U.S. citizen or a permanent resident. A U.S. person is entitled to greater legal protections against NSA surveillance than foreigners are."

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
20. So we've been told.
Wed Nov 27, 2013, 03:54 AM
Nov 2013

But is anything the NSA claims credible?

And if they haven't done it yet, what is to keep this secret organization from doing it in the future.

The NSA surveillance has to stop. It would be great if they had limited themselves to surveillance of terrorists, but that is not what they have done.

The proof is that according to Der Spiegel, they named their surveillance of networks in Belgium, "Operation Socialism." The NSA surveillance has a specific ideological point of view. I can't say I disagree with it, but it is inappropriate for a secret wing of the US government to have a specific ideological viewpoint with regard to foreign democratic societies. Who do the NSA think they are?

 

Android3.14

(5,402 posts)
32. Curious way to frame that
Wed Nov 27, 2013, 07:56 AM
Nov 2013

Your post manages to imply that the NSA has a socialist agenda, casting an unflattering light on both.

dreamnightwind

(4,775 posts)
37. I think you misunderstood
Wed Nov 27, 2013, 09:58 AM
Nov 2013

I read it as an NSA operation that is targeting socialism. Maybe the poster will weigh in but I'm pretty sure that's what was meant.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
58. We have a free hand in surveilling foreign nationals and so do the Germans Therefore, if Exxon or GE
Wed Nov 27, 2013, 06:55 PM
Nov 2013

want data on you or me, and they cant get if from the NSA (per your post) they can always get if from the Germans or Chinese or French.

FraDon

(518 posts)
35. on point • "J.Edgar's Safe"
Wed Nov 27, 2013, 08:17 AM
Nov 2013

… illegally obtained 'intelligence' for blackmail & extortion … Chapter One in the Tyrants' Playbook … more valuable than gold.

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
50. CIA employed it too for the so-called "honey traps"
Wed Nov 27, 2013, 01:22 PM
Nov 2013

Does the target in question have a *thing* for Asian women or women with certain body styles for example? Well the CIA could easily conjure up his ideal woman and find a way to make them meet by pure happenstance...

 

DeSwiss

(27,137 posts)
11. There only one thing more pornographic......
Wed Nov 27, 2013, 03:16 AM
Nov 2013

...than the goddamned NSA, the CIA.

- A plague on all the bastard's houses.......

K&R

dreamnightwind

(4,775 posts)
15. K & R
Wed Nov 27, 2013, 03:38 AM
Nov 2013

This is where it leads, folks. If we're ok with them using these tactics against Muslims, that brings them that much closer to using these tactics against anyone who isn't buying what the powers that be are selling (and for all I know that may already be happening).

For those who think the tactics would be not be effective against us, they're missing the point. The willingness to use such tactics is the point. If one tactic is not effective for a particular situation, they'll use a different one. Armed with knowing everything that we do that leaves any kind of digital footprint, dissent can and will be crushed. Stop spying on us already.

iamthebandfanman

(8,127 posts)
21. As long as its not being done domestically..
Wed Nov 27, 2013, 04:05 AM
Nov 2013

that's all I care about..

unfortunately we have know way of knowing that beyond their word ...

ReRe

(10,597 posts)
25. It all hearkens back to J. Edgar Hoover....
Wed Nov 27, 2013, 04:23 AM
Nov 2013

... even though he's been dead for decades, he's alive and well in the spook agencies of this government. Since 9/11, they're all working together under the title of "Homeland Security." They can profile each and every one of us at a moments notice if they want to blackmail us into silence or submission behind the scenes or publicly. In the past 50 years, the USA has taken on characteristics of our foes in WWII. Has anyone else noticed that?

 

CFLDem

(2,083 posts)
28. All the government needs to do
Wed Nov 27, 2013, 05:03 AM
Nov 2013

to destroy an opposition leader is claim they found indecent pictures of children on his computer and the public's imagination will do the rest, in spite of the truth.

Very dark magic, this is.

polynomial

(750 posts)
33. A comedy twist
Wed Nov 27, 2013, 08:12 AM
Nov 2013

A fantasy clause in the Constitution.

Hear yea, Hear yea, the people’s Court under the defined article and amendments of the Constitution is here by in session. All rise to turn on your computer internet connection to all America. The honorable judge’s presiding ; “We the people” as judge now ready for today’s issues.

First order of legal ease to resolve is NSA monitor of free citizens of porno sites. First notice is that all material sexual or other-wise is considered communication of the free press falling under the first amendment.

Second bias to sexual orientation is prohibited unless harm or death is inflicted to a victim. Of importance a legal age to be determined. One by parents, two if by beginning puberty, three for the prime, middle, and upper classical Platonic intimate and affectionate but not sexual, or other love and intimacies marriage with the same sex or other, but not with a beast, we are not there yet.

So our first submission and evidence file to be reviewed by the judge and jury “We the people”. So, the NSA will download all such file files that are deemed to possess extraordinary perversions and human behavior that prevent ascension in God’s way with those blessing in feelings and the so called perpetual ecstasy enhanced buy drugs that can develop behavior that is too big to fail but will eventually cause crazy chaos.

These issues to be judged by we the people in open petition that count as vote for or against an issue as crime, misdemeanor or no crime at all. Lets get started...

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
39. Funny how HP minimizes the fact that there are only 6 foreign individuals identified.
Wed Nov 27, 2013, 10:03 AM
Nov 2013

And yet many want to leap to the conclusion that this means the NSA is spying on everyone's porn habits. It's the hyperbole that makes people turn away and stop listening.

Oh, and welcome back to LBN, Joe!
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randome

(34,845 posts)
41. So you don't believe what the article says, then?
Wed Nov 27, 2013, 10:24 AM
Nov 2013

Six individuals. Who were already targets of an investigation.

Facts matter.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]There is nothing you can't do if you put your mind to it.
Nothing.
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DisgustipatedinCA

(12,530 posts)
42. That you can say "facts matter" when it comes to the NSA is telling.
Wed Nov 27, 2013, 10:30 AM
Nov 2013

You're dutifully eating that which is being spoon-fed to you. No one else is.

SpankMe

(2,957 posts)
45. randome: It has already been established that NSA collects data on everyone.
Wed Nov 27, 2013, 12:13 PM
Nov 2013

This has been revealed in prior Snowden leaks.

Then, they go into that massive datastore and pull specified information on specified individuals based on narrow search criteria; they "dip in the lake" as needed.

The report referenced in the news story focuses on the 6 individuals. With the capabilities that exist, it is ridiculous to believe that the NSA collected data on only these individuals and didn't collect data on anyone else.

It is likely that this data on everyone else is still in the datastore like a bunch of unexploded grenades ready to be picked up whenever a government operative wants information.

The Hoover legacy continues with the full force of the government behind it and enabled by the technology of the current time. To think otherwise is being willfully naive and intentionally argumentative.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
46. They do not 'collect everything'. That's absurd.
Wed Nov 27, 2013, 12:49 PM
Nov 2013

Snowden did not show anything at all like that. He and Greenwald presented their Powerpoint slides that show the NSA has secure FTP servers in place for the transfer of information legitimately obtained via warrant.

They misinterpreted that to mean the NSA is basically downloading the Internet on a daily basis. Which is nonsense.
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christx30

(6,241 posts)
61. There's a reason they are building that data
Thu Nov 28, 2013, 12:43 PM
Nov 2013

center in Utah that can hold an estimated 3 and 12 exabytes of information. They're not doing it it catalog the best of Chevy Chase.

woo me with science

(32,139 posts)
49. This is indefensible except to propagandists and fools.
Wed Nov 27, 2013, 01:15 PM
Nov 2013

This is the mechanism of fascism and tyranny. This is an infrastructure that can and will be used against any inconvenient citizen. And, no, the government is not a human criminal defendant entitled to presumption of innocence until proven guilty.

No, the government is a system that wields vast power and control over human lives and is highly corruptible, as history amply shows.

The Founders knew this, which is why the Bill of Rights focuses above all on what the government may NOT do. Rather than "innocent until proven guilty," the mantra for dealing with governments must ALWAYS be constant vigilance and preventing opportunities for abuse before they occur.

That's why we have a Fourth Amendment that prohibits fascist garbage like mass spying on citizens in the first place.

marshall

(6,665 posts)
60. I doubt if their audience cares that they are porn addicts
Thu Nov 28, 2013, 12:18 PM
Nov 2013

Jimmy Swaggart continued to have his followers after repeated news stories of his porn and prostitute habits. That these men or women are doing something similar will likely have a negligible effect on their acolytes.

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