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Galraedia

(5,026 posts)
Wed Nov 27, 2013, 04:04 PM Nov 2013

Michigan’s veto-proof ‘rape insurance’ close to becoming law with approval of 4.2% of voters

Source: Raw Story

A legislative ballot initiative to ban abortion coverage in health insurance plans and require women to buy what opponents call “rape insurance” was approved by Michigan’s Secretary of State this week and is expected by many to become law because it cannot be vetoed by Gov. Rick Snyder (R).

On Monday, the Michigan Secretary of State certified that the group Michigan Right to Life had enough signature for the legislature to take up the measure. The group turned in 315,477 signatures, but only 258,088 — or 3 percent of the state’s voters — were needed. Snyder vetoed a similar bill last year, but Michigan’s constitution does not give him the authority to sign or veto legislative initiatives.

The initiative would require that all health plans — not just plans under the Affordable Care Act — be stripped of any abortion coverage, even in the cases of rape or incest. Women would have to purchase a separate rider to receive abortion coverage.

Because women could not purchase the coverage after they were raped, critics have referred to the rider as “rape insurance.”

Read more: http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/11/27/michigans-veto-proof-rape-insurance-close-to-becoming-law-with-approval-of-4-2-of-voters/

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Michigan’s veto-proof ‘rape insurance’ close to becoming law with approval of 4.2% of voters (Original Post) Galraedia Nov 2013 OP
Who in the hell is Michigan’s Secretary of State ??....Phyllis Schlafly ? BlueJazz Nov 2013 #1
sorry, even with a Green Party member as SoS, the SoS has no choice but to say yes, alp227 Nov 2013 #25
Michigan has laws? I thought that was the state with emergency managers instead valerief Nov 2013 #34
for specific cities alp227 Nov 2013 #35
That's not law. That's plunder. nt valerief Nov 2013 #36
There is no way that measure is Constitutional. another_liberal Nov 2013 #2
and what company will offer this policy, oh geniuses? elehhhhna Nov 2013 #12
Ya, like there's reliable rape predictability rates out there. ancianita Nov 2013 #24
Great point. 7962 Nov 2013 #38
Then he'd better plan on seceding from the Union. AAO Nov 2013 #3
Can they make men purchase impotence insurance? (nt) ehrnst Nov 2013 #4
I don't think they can get up the support. riqster Nov 2013 #5
Oh no you didn't.....I hear they're be stiff penalties for non-compliance. nt okaawhatever Nov 2013 #20
If it comes to a head, yeah. riqster Nov 2013 #21
I hope not. christx30 Nov 2013 #46
Not hard enough support for those policies. n/t cosmicone Nov 2013 #23
And the woman hating goes on LeftOfWest Nov 2013 #6
Selfappointed vag'obsessed pussypatrol jackasses elehhhhna Nov 2013 #14
No siree - no GOP war on women - No siree! rurallib Nov 2013 #7
it seems that our society is dissolving ..... madrchsod Nov 2013 #8
when might we finally Burf-_- Nov 2013 #9
My state was taken over. Union Scribe Nov 2013 #10
All true but leave us not forget navarth Nov 2013 #30
The auto unions sat out Snyder election Demeter Nov 2013 #32
That is strange for sure. navarth Nov 2013 #39
Can't our side launch Kelvin Mace Nov 2013 #11
I don't understand how this works. Can someone explain? Comrade Grumpy Nov 2013 #13
No, the legislature has to approve next. alp227 Nov 2013 #26
it's unconstitutional warrior1 Nov 2013 #15
More than slightly nt paleotn Nov 2013 #19
women should stop warrior1 Nov 2013 #16
Women should start moving out of Michigan ASAP warrior1 Nov 2013 #17
Thanks but no thanks navarth Nov 2013 #28
I'd rather move out the men Demeter Nov 2013 #33
I don't want to go!! navarth Nov 2013 #40
Introduce me, then! Demeter Nov 2013 #44
You're available? Ok I'll get on it! nt navarth Nov 2013 #45
I can't wait for the youth of our country to take the reins from these old teabaggers. Rozlee Nov 2013 #18
This isn't a typical Republican/tea party topic. By denying the right for private insurance okaawhatever Nov 2013 #22
Maybe this is a case for the ACLU, instead. It would seem to remove rightful responsibility from law ancianita Nov 2013 #31
I hear the... JimboBillyBubbaBob Nov 2013 #27
Republican women, where the hell is your dignity! Get out of that party now! ancianita Nov 2013 #29
I. weep for my once-beautiful state. I'm afraid they're going to re-elect Rick The Dictator catbyte Nov 2013 #37
Am I allowed to do this? navarth Nov 2013 #41
hell, start a thread. mopinko Nov 2013 #42
Eurgh :( mwooldri Nov 2013 #43
 

BlueJazz

(25,348 posts)
1. Who in the hell is Michigan’s Secretary of State ??....Phyllis Schlafly ?
Wed Nov 27, 2013, 04:11 PM
Nov 2013

Michigan is trying to catch-up with us dumb-fucks here in the South.
...and we don't like it no sireeee.

alp227

(32,027 posts)
25. sorry, even with a Green Party member as SoS, the SoS has no choice but to say yes,
Wed Nov 27, 2013, 06:43 PM
Nov 2013

because the SoS is the one overseeing what goes in the ballots and has to follow relevant law.

valerief

(53,235 posts)
34. Michigan has laws? I thought that was the state with emergency managers instead
Wed Nov 27, 2013, 08:46 PM
Nov 2013

of elected officials. That can't be legal.

 

LeftOfWest

(482 posts)
6. And the woman hating goes on
Wed Nov 27, 2013, 04:29 PM
Nov 2013

scum of the earth misogynist slime.

“Nobody is anticipating being a victim of crime.” Exactly Meghan but they don't care, the right wing has to hate and live in fear of something or their already pathetic lives have no real meaning.

madrchsod

(58,162 posts)
8. it seems that our society is dissolving .....
Wed Nov 27, 2013, 04:40 PM
Nov 2013

it really makes me sad to think what my children , grand, and great children will be facing when i'm gone.

Union Scribe

(7,099 posts)
10. My state was taken over.
Wed Nov 27, 2013, 04:44 PM
Nov 2013

Sucker voters fell for a "moderate" Republican, who proceeded to rip his mask off revealing a rabid right wing ALEC puppet. He and his administration has repeatedly thwarted the democratic process to ram through legislation and initiatives like this, hurting workers, students, women, families. They don't care what the people want and don't bother hiding it.

This is why I don't give much of a shit about 2016 right now. 2014 is the chance to get this dark cancer out of our capital. Who knows how much more damage it will do before then.

navarth

(5,927 posts)
30. All true but leave us not forget
Wed Nov 27, 2013, 06:55 PM
Nov 2013

The Michigan Democratic Party just seemed to be asleep at the wheel during the Snyder election. My hope is that they're getting their shit together, because it seems to me like they better hurry up.

As best I can tell, Schauer is our best hope to dump Koch/Snyder. I'll be giving him money and try to get more involved myself. But we still have this nuts legislature.

Makes me miss the old days of Jim Blanchard.

navarth

(5,927 posts)
39. That is strange for sure.
Thu Nov 28, 2013, 12:29 AM
Nov 2013

I think it also ties in with The MI Dems not having their doo doo together in that election, and I have to wonder what's up with them now. They fired Mark Brewer and there's some new blood in there.

 

Comrade Grumpy

(13,184 posts)
13. I don't understand how this works. Can someone explain?
Wed Nov 27, 2013, 05:03 PM
Nov 2013

Did the legislature vote for this after the signatures were handed in?

On edit: It looks like the legislature will take this up. And it's expected to pass? Looks like it's time to de-elect a few folks.

alp227

(32,027 posts)
26. No, the legislature has to approve next.
Wed Nov 27, 2013, 06:45 PM
Nov 2013
http://www.freep.com/article/20131125/NEWS06/311250138/abortion-health-insurance-women-rider-rape-incest-life

The state Board of Canvassers will meet at 9:30 a.m. Dec. 2 to certify the signatures and then the petition moves to the state Legislature, which has 40 days to approve, reject or do nothing with the legislative ballot initiative.


(Freep.com = the Detroit Free Press, not that right wing crazy town.)

navarth

(5,927 posts)
28. Thanks but no thanks
Wed Nov 27, 2013, 06:49 PM
Nov 2013

How about they stay here and do some voting. I understand your emotion but this shit will just follow them to another state in my opinion.

navarth

(5,927 posts)
40. I don't want to go!!
Thu Nov 28, 2013, 12:30 AM
Nov 2013

And my wife doesn't want me to either. I recommend making friends with the good ones, don't throw us all out.

Rozlee

(2,529 posts)
18. I can't wait for the youth of our country to take the reins from these old teabaggers.
Wed Nov 27, 2013, 05:33 PM
Nov 2013

They're supposedly trending more liberal and secular and I'm sincerely hoping that in the future, they won't put up with these right-wing mullahs.

okaawhatever

(9,462 posts)
22. This isn't a typical Republican/tea party topic. By denying the right for private insurance
Wed Nov 27, 2013, 06:12 PM
Nov 2013

companies to allow coverage for abortion procedures, they're trampling all over free market ideology. The right to lifers are sponsoring it, so the defense will be an interesting mix of bedfellows. If the insurance companies don't fight it it's because they don't want the fallout from the religious right.

BTW, this and other seemingly illegal measures are done to deplete the funds of Planned Parenthood and others who will have to pay tons of money to take this to court. This probably isn't just about the law itself.

ancianita

(36,064 posts)
31. Maybe this is a case for the ACLU, instead. It would seem to remove rightful responsibility from law
Wed Nov 27, 2013, 06:55 PM
Nov 2013

enforcement and the criminal prosecution process, wouldn't it. Perhaps it would leave the prosecutions up to the insurance companies, which would, of course, pay if they lost, but perhaps the wins would mount against rapists because of insurance company 'deep pockets.' Speculation, of course.

catbyte

(34,402 posts)
37. I. weep for my once-beautiful state. I'm afraid they're going to re-elect Rick The Dictator
Wed Nov 27, 2013, 09:31 PM
Nov 2013

Maybe I'm being too negative, but I don't know.

navarth

(5,927 posts)
41. Am I allowed to do this?
Thu Nov 28, 2013, 12:33 AM
Nov 2013
http://markschauer.com/

I don't work for his campaign. I just want to stir the pot and get people aware that this guy is doing well in the polls and might be the answer.

I don't know if it's against the rules to post this link, hope it's ok.

mwooldri

(10,303 posts)
43. Eurgh :(
Thu Nov 28, 2013, 01:38 AM
Nov 2013

If this should ever come to pass, health insurance companies should strip (where possible) any reproductive medical coverage from their health policies (for both men and women) and offer a "Reproductive Health Coverage" rider for 1 cent a month on top of their normal insurance premiums that could offer abortion coverage. I guess it could be called Rape and Viagra insurance... but that's being crass...

I am hoping cooler heads will prevail, or if it comes the law of that state that someone who loves presenting cases in court present a few heaping dozens of lawsuits on the state that passes such a crazy and nonsensical law.

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