Satanists test Oklahoma’s religious freedoms by offering monument
Source: Raw Story
The Satanic Temple, a New York City-based religious organization, has offered to donate a monument on behalf of Oklahoma Satanists for display upon the capital grounds.
In an email-interview with Hemant Mehta, the Temples spokesman, Lucien Greaves, explained why the organization wanted to erect a monument to Satan on the capital grounds. By accepting our offer, he said, the good people of Oklahoma City will have the opportunity to show that they espouse the basic freedoms spelled out in the Constitution
Allowing us to donate a monument would show that the Oklahoma City Council does not discriminate, and both the religious and non-religious should be happy with such an outcome.
Greaves linked the Oklahoma donation to a larger effort to demonstrate that bills designed to promote Christianity in public places including schools and government-run parks and buildings instead promoted religious diversity.
Obviously enabling Satanists to take advantage of the Bill was not considered when the legislation was drafted, he told Mehta, but the fact is that laws cannot be discriminatory. He believes that there is no legal basis upon which they could possibly reject the Temples offer, because they set the precedent themselves, and they simply cant reject a monument on the grounds that it its being donated by Satanists rather than a Baptist Deacon.
Read more: http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/12/06/satanists-test-oklahomas-religious-freedoms-by-offering-monument/
JimboBillyBubbaBob
(1,389 posts)this is going to be good!
MinneapolisMatt
(1,550 posts)Wait...
burnsei sensei
(1,820 posts)the religious expression of Satanists.
PrestonLocke
(217 posts)freshwest
(53,661 posts)treestar
(82,383 posts)if it was from Islam. Though I suppose monuments don't fit into it with that religion.
maxsolomon
(33,345 posts)Happy Krampusnacht Everybody!
Voice for Peace
(13,141 posts)who does horrible terrifying things to kids if they
don't obey their parents?
Edit.. answered my own question:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Krampus
madrchsod
(58,162 posts)i guess you do learn something new everyday!
my county solved their problem ...any group ,within reason,can put a display during the "holiday season"
eggplant
(3,911 posts)Bernardo de La Paz
(49,010 posts)TxDemChem
(1,918 posts)burnsei sensei
(1,820 posts)Kudos to them.
Their challenge should be levelled at every religiously-based authority and government decision, especially the Abrahamic ones.
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)cthulu2016
(10,960 posts)"religious tolerance" often means Christianity buying off a handful of other mainstream accepted religions with petty prizes, all in league against atheists, agnostics and people with odd-ball religions.
Whenever people say their Jesus-in-government plan is open to other faiths they need to be hit with Islam, and if that doesn't make the point, then Satanism.
State facilities for the High School Satanism club. Satanic prayers to open legislative sessions. Satanist Christmas displays at city hall. Tenets of Satanism on a plaque in the courthouse. Etc..
All of those things are required by the Constitution (assuming somebody wants them) if we have them for Jesus.
painesghost
(91 posts)2naSalit
(86,649 posts)Heather MC
(8,084 posts)TxDemChem
(1,918 posts)to be bass-ackwards in so many ways. This will learn 'em.
BlueJazz
(25,348 posts)...than the speed of light.
KatyMan
(4,198 posts)You would have to accept the truthiness of Christianity to believe in Satan...
BlueJazz
(25,348 posts)Sivafae
(480 posts)But I think it depends on who you ask really.
cemaphonic
(4,138 posts)And all of the Abrahamic religions (and some of their close relatives like Gnosticism and Zoroastrianism) have a Satan-figure, so you wouldn't have to be a Christian to have a mythology that includes Satan.
Half-Century Man
(5,279 posts)Satanism is christianity, just the loyal opposition to jesus.
psychopomp
(4,668 posts)To be Christian usually means to adapt the principles espoused by the Nicene Creed. The tenets of "Satanism" are not in the same ballpark.
Voice for Peace
(13,141 posts)"the Latin version that includes the phrase "Deum de Deo,"
Deum de diddly doo, wop, deum de dum dum, de deodoo."
Half-Century Man
(5,279 posts)Holy spirit, father, Jesus, Mother Mary, Satan, Saint Francis, Saint Louis, Angels, Demons, Arch-Angels (named angels), to name a few. If prayers are cast, divine recognition of established.
Some religions share divine figures, ie Christianity and Islam share Satan. Some pantheons are assumed and changed by other groups, ie Roman assumption of the classical Greece pantheon and renaming them to suit the new worshipers; or Christian assumption of Norse/Northern European religious traditions like the yule log and Christmas tree.
BlueStreak
(8,377 posts)jberryhill
(62,444 posts)kestrel91316
(51,666 posts)hypocritical the fundies are.
Bernardo de La Paz
(49,010 posts)flying rabbit
(4,635 posts)Ratty
(2,100 posts)I'll definitely be watching how this turns out.
LiberalFighter
(50,950 posts)More than likely they all worship Satan in one form or another.
Bernardo de La Paz
(49,010 posts)They find it very convenient.
A little like saying a few Hail Mary's in penance after confession, which is another group's way out.
psychopomp
(4,668 posts)I'm not sure you want to "otherize" the majority of the party.
LiberalFighter
(50,950 posts)psychopomp
(4,668 posts)That includes a lot of people in the Democratic Party. So, you didn't mention them by name, but you included them in the "they." I hope that makes it clear.
Sorry for the late reply!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Feral Child
(2,086 posts)I'm thinking this will end up on Scalia's desk eventually.
After all, he's publicly stated that Satan is a real entity.
Kablooie
(18,634 posts)...
Well, maybe not "more power", I mean Satan doesn't really need more power, but ... well you know what I mean.
On a side note:
How do you distinguish between a real Christian church and a church that calls itself Christian but is actually under the sway of Satan?
It seems a great many evangelist churches come under the latter category.
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)Since they don't seem to get the role of Satan as "the deceiver". Just who do they think his targets are?
cprise
(8,445 posts)If these are the people who follow LeVey, they chose their name specifically to offend other religions, for one thing.
Bernardo de La Paz
(49,010 posts)cprise
(8,445 posts)PatrynXX
(5,668 posts)siding with the believe there is no god religion has messed up the system for ages. I prefer acknowledging them all thank you..
8 track mind
(1,638 posts)This is gonna get good!
RainDog
(28,784 posts)NBachers
(17,122 posts)Manifestor_of_Light
(21,046 posts)When they talk about "religious freedom", it usually means "Freedom to inflict our flavor of Christianity on the natives."
Myrina
(12,296 posts)And at government meetings.
All or none, ya know?
This is the best way to challenge activities that attempt to subvert the separation of church and state.
Voice for Peace
(13,141 posts)Or are they atheists goofing on religion?
sakabatou
(42,158 posts)Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)Major Nikon
(36,827 posts)God killed at least 2 million in the bible. Satan killed only 10, and even then god was arguably an accomplice.
painesghost
(91 posts)Major Nikon
(36,827 posts)An effigy to Satan on the lawn of the capital doesn't really sound like all that bad of an idea.
painesghost
(91 posts)in his own backyard. Karma sucks buddy.
painesghost
(91 posts)But I remember reading about some far right satanists that actually seemed to worship a literal Satan or at least claimed to.
Bradical79
(4,490 posts)back in highschool. There was also a girl that believed she would be able to actually turn into a werewolf. Religion and belief in the supernatural takes all types. As a creation/counter deity of one group of religions' God, pretty much all elevation of Satan to his own religion probably would have started as a countermovement to Christianity, Judaism, etc.
Bradical79
(4,490 posts)Though I don't know about this group. Of course rather than atheists "goofing on religion" how many religious leaders do you think are atheists pretending to be Christian for money and power? If investigations into a group's motivations for wanting to participate in this sort of thing are questioned it seems to me it could get real ugly real fast. Probably one of the reasons they're testing this law.
Voice for Peace
(13,141 posts)I've mixed up these excerpted paragraphs a bit, but:
The Satanic Temple seeks to separate Religion from Superstition by acknowledging religious belief as a metaphorical framework with which we construct a narrative context for our goals and works. Satan stands as the ultimate icon for the selfless revolt against tyranny, free & rational inquiry, and the responsible pursuit of happiness.
To embrace the name Satan is to avow skepticism in the face of all things, even especially that which is held sacred. To stand forth as a Satanist is to rend from the persecutory, affrighted mob a convenient out-group label, demanding that individuals be judged for their concrete actions, not their fealty to arbitrary social norms and illusory categorizations.
Satanism is not mindless abandon and depravity, but a philosophy that drives us to lead fruitful and dignified, epicurean lives. Satan, the symbolic force of design that would urge humanity toward refined pleasures of the Arts and Sciences. Satan, who first brought the fruit of knowledge to Humankind that thereafter we might live not as naked brutes in the wild, but develop our cultural splendor into ever more aesthetically and technologically advanced heights. Ours is the Humanistic Satan who would sacrifice His own Heavenly residence so that Humanity might learn to understand and enjoy the physical world they inhabit.
...
The mission of The Satanic Temple is to encourage benevolence and empathy among all people. In addition, we embrace practical common sense and justice. As Satanists we all should be guided by our conscience to undertake noble pursuits guided by our individual wills. We believe that this is the hope of all mankind and the highest aspiration of humanity.
As an organized religion, we feel it is our function to actively provide outreach, to lead by example, and to participate public affairs wheresoever the issues might benefit from rational, Satanic insights.
Katashi_itto
(10,175 posts)MrScorpio
(73,631 posts)Hail Satan!
myrna minx
(22,772 posts)Ash_F
(5,861 posts)Tom Ripley
(4,945 posts)good for them
TomCADem
(17,390 posts)...squares with the Establishment clause of the Constitution.
Judi Lynn
(160,545 posts)Okla. imposes moratorium on Capitol monuments
| December 19, 2013 | Updated: December 19, 2013 4:06pm
OKLAHOMA CITY (AP) Following requests from Satanists, Hindus and animal lovers to erect displays at the Oklahoma Capitol, a panel overseeing the grounds has imposed a moratorium on new request for such monuments.
The Oklahoma Capitol Preservation Commission voted unanimously on Thursday to approve the ban until a court dispute over the current Ten Commandments monument is settled.
A group of New York-based Satanists indicated earlier this month plans to seek a monument at the state Capitol, saying Oklahoma opened the door when it allowed the Ten Commandments monument. That was followed by similar requests from a Hindu leader in Nevada and the People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals.
Commission Chairman Trait Thompson says Thursday's vote won't affect a state senator's plans to erect a privately funded Bill of Rights monument.
http://www.chron.com/news/us/article/Okla-imposes-moratorium-on-Capitol-monuments-5079055.php?cmpid=usw
(Short article, no more at link.)