Killing cancer like the common cold
Source: CNN.COM
Nick Wilkins was diagnosed with leukemia when he was 4 years old, and when the cancer kept bouncing back, impervious to all the different treatments the doctors tried, his father sat him down for a talk.
John Wilkins explained to Nick, who was by then 14, that doctors had tried chemotherapy, radiation, even a bone marrow transplant from his sister. "I explained to him that we're running out of options," Wilkins remembers telling his son.
There was one possible treatment they could try: an experimental therapy at the University of Pennsylvania.
This new therapy was decidedly different from the treatments he'd received before: Instead of attacking his cancer with poisons like chemotherapy and radiation, the Philadelphia doctors taught Nick's own immune cells to become more adept at killing the cancer.
Two months later, he emerged cancer-free. It's been six months since Nick, now 15, received the personalized cell therapy, and doctors still can find no trace of leukemia in his system.
Read more: http://www.cnn.com/2013/12/07/health/cohen-cancer-study/index.html?hpt=hp_t2
Could this be?? Fingers crossed!!
treestar
(82,383 posts)with that horrible disease!
sueh
(1,826 posts)Half-Century Man
(5,279 posts)The implications are staggering.
Dealing with each patient as a single case of immunity re-programing(?) sounds like a possibility to fight antibiotic resistant viruses.
magical thyme
(14,881 posts)They are effective only against bacteria.
Immunity reprogramming may or may not be effective against bacteria. Bacterial infections are a fundamentally different disease than cancer.
Half-Century Man
(5,279 posts)4 lost and one survivor (me) out of 16. Pardon my mistake, I am a bit passionate about the subject of diseases and treatment. Cancer survival without the ravages of chemo and radiation...sound lovely.
magical thyme
(14,881 posts)in treatment of cancer. From the article, it looks like it could become available in as little as 3 years.
GigiMommy
(5,039 posts)I'm going through a similar thing all within the last 9 years. I lost my Father who had liver cancer. My Husband died 2 days after learning he had Leukemia. My Sister-in-Law is fighting Breast Cancer and now my Mother has Cervical Cancer. My Mother has refused Chemo and Radiation. I feel helpless. I don't want to lose her.
Half-Century Man
(5,279 posts)Chemo and radiation are a bit like taking an ass whipping with a baseball bat to avoid being poisoned. I understand her reluctance to get beaten. She needs to understand she needs to fight. I think the mental drive to win at all costs might be the most necessary weapon to have. I'm not a doctor and am not speaking as one; I am a survivor.
Between when I had Precursor-T lymphoblastic leukemia and now a lot of progress has been made.
If she lives in a state with medical marijuana I recommend it, if she lives in a state without medical marijuana I still recommend it. Current evidence suggests that cannabinoids are a very effective non-stressful treatment.
The Young Turks had a series of very informative videos about the subject, but the comprehensive collection has been taken down for their U-tube page.
GigiMommy
(5,039 posts)Great advice, thank you. I'll pass that on. I wish you all the best. Take care.
question everything
(47,486 posts)The idea of using immunotherapy has been around since the 70s. So it is good to know that we finally have the tools to use it successfully.
bucolic_frolic
(43,176 posts)lest all the investments in conventional cancer therapy become worthless
Blus4u
(608 posts)All the money big pharma loses when our bodies are trained to defend themselves, instead of us hoping the poisons they give us get the cancer before the poisons get us!
bucolic_frolic
(43,176 posts)A relatively quick and less expensive cancer killing cure
is like wiping out the capital of the Big Banks
or perfecting energy fusion from water and the sun
Total financial meltdown for those cash flows
Researchers laid off
Lab supply companies shuttered
Research centers sold off
Cancer conferences kaput
Limousine companies idled
Research level PhD's looking for biology teaching jobs
Big Pharma profits tumble
Capsule and container manufacturing companies shrink
Imagine the chaos if a malleable cancer vaccine, akin to
the Salk Polio Vaccine, hits the markets!
A sugar cube and cancer is wiped out!
Personally, I'm sure they will make progress, but for the
cancer industry, there is plenty of hope in the toxins
rampant in the world. Cancer will develop again.
Blanks
(4,835 posts)pinto
(106,886 posts)Big pharma. Genetic immunotherapy is a complicated, developing realm in medicine, from what I can gather. Research and development takes money.
I applaud the research and hope it means more progress like those in the trials. Kudos. And best of luck to all, especially those most able to benefit - those that will be cancer survivors.
calimary
(81,304 posts)Glad you're here! Yes, truly - imagine the horror! Seems to me this is the best approach, too. Poor Big Pharma. No one should be allowed to profit from others' misery and misfortune. There's just something intrinsically wrong about that.
Blus4u
(608 posts)Please don't misunderstand me, I have great compassion for those who struggle with and succumb to this most evil of all diseases ever inflicted on living beings and celebrate this research as the best thing I have heard in a long, long time.
But.....
I began smelling a rat from the point it seemed like every other person I met was on anti-depressants or anti-anxiety drugs, and the TV was telling me 6 times an hour to "ask my doctor if 'Azurblusky' was right for me" for my restless leg syndrome, dry skin itch, high cholesterol, low cholesterol, no cholesterol or what have you. And those beautiful people in all of those commercials looked so happy, with that nice soothing music and I would be happy too if I could just get my hands on those pills.
I personally feel we have at least two generations of folks wandering around with some mental or physical, ticking time bomb issues because their parents didn't want to deal with "the terrible two's" or "trying three's" and opted to have their kids chemically lobotomized with ADD/ADHD drugs. They must not have sold enough because they now have pills for adults who have a hard time paying attention because they're bored at work.....no shit, that's why they call it work. And then look at all those trips and speaking fees and neat free stuff our docs got for passing out all those samples and listening to us endlessly asking them if 'Azurblusky' was right for us.
Meanwhile we are throwing folks in jail for serious time 'cause they took their life savings and bought an oz. of the latest purple kush and sold 3/4's of it in order to smoke a quarter for free.
Sorry for the rant, now back to our regularly schedule drug commercials....
Peace
calimary
(81,304 posts)Those commercials - those INCESSANT commercials - they annoy me, too! "Ask your doctor if (fill in the drug blank here) is right for you!" I'm intrigued by the wording, as well. That sounds like some PR-massaged and focus-tested sloganeering line to me. The wording in these ads always fascinates me, but then again, I've always got my radar on for these things and the way words and phrases are manipulated and sanitized and tested - in order to manipulate us the consumers. I'm even bothered a little bit by the term "consumers." Like we're not really people (oh yeah, I forgot - corporations are the people these days), we're just large open mouths looking to be fed and sated nonstop. One direction - just consuming. One giant flesh-covered intake valve. Wonder who it was - who originated the use of that word "consumer" the way we know it and use it today?
And the other word-game I find perplexing is what seems to be the tidying-up of ailments and physical conditions that you don't spell out. You nickname them instead. "Low-T," for example. Can't they just say "low testosterone" instead of trying to be so coy and cutesy?
I'm bothered about that same thing that bothers you, Blus4u. Just take a pill and it'll be all better. Anesthetize yourself and your problems will just melt away, America! Same for alcohol - it's sexy, edgy, macho, adventuresome, alluring, and hot. Followed in the next spot break by the friendly and sympathetic rehab clinic commercials of course. Buy-buy-buy! And your other incredibly valid point, too: meantime, they still want to string you up for smoking a little weed.
calimary
(81,304 posts)Xeljantz (?) I think.
And it reminded me - in far too many of these commercials, ever notice just how much of the 60-second commercial time is taken up by the announcer's read-through of all the contra-indications? "Not to be taken if you've had hepatitis B or C, if you've ever had shortness of breath, if you're this or you've had that, or you're already taking this or you're suffering from that..." blah-blah-blah, and it goes on for maybe 25 or 30 seconds - taking up the bulk of that commercial's airtime?
The first thing that pops into my head is - WHY would I want to take this drug that could cause me such complications as death, forcryingoutloud!?
japple
(9,831 posts)way too much sense!!!!!
Bernardo de La Paz
(49,002 posts)Your defeatist cynicism aside, this kind of treatment is not cheap.
bucolic_frolic
(43,176 posts)with quantity comes spreading overhead costs over many cases
and streamlining the costs of successful corporations should yield
some easy savings for owners and consumers of their products
it's win win win if entrenched treatments and the bureaucracy that
produces them can step aside when better treatments are found
it might not be as quick and easy as the demise of the 1.2 mb floppy
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)Like the did with the flu and polio vaccines?
phantom power
(25,966 posts)CountAllVotes
(20,875 posts)My brother-in-law just died of cancer (dx'd two mos. ago) the other day. It was not but one month ago that his older brother died of cancer as well after a bout of suffering for about one year.
My "cousin" is on his way out now too best I know -- I dare not call my "aunt" to inquire.
M mother died of cancer -- dead two mos. after the DX; seemingly sudden onset.
My younger brother (43 at the time) died of cancer of the liver (never drank, smoked, nothing) after nine mos. of radiation/chemotherapy.
A good friend died of cancer about one year ago after having a tumor removed that was discovered and he was declared "cancer free" after months of radiation and chemotherapy. Then all of a sudden it is metastasized and he was gone two months later as well.
One thing I do know is that it makes little if any sense at all to treat disease that runs rampant when the immune system is not intact or is being modified and/or toyed with in some way, either with other medications that cause cancer (like interferons) or other methods.
I view this info. posted to be one that gives me some hope. I don't have a lot of hope left I must admit when it comes to hearing someone has cancer -- close the coffin already is what I tend to think but never dare say.
Thanks for posting some hope. I needed this as I'm sure others here do as well. I'm burned out I must admit and sad as all hell too, as I really loved my brother-in-law and did not make it to his funeral the other day. He was a fine man is all I will say about him which more of less says everything one would care to know about him.
Cancer affects not just the person with the cancer, but it is sheer hell for those that love the person and witness them die a most miserable death.
RIP my friends and relatives and the rest of those suffering from this curse of a disease as well as their friends/families.
& recommend.
Tikki
(14,557 posts)Both President Clinton and President Obama lost their mother to cancer..
I lost the kindest women I ever knew, my sweet mother-in-law, to cancer..
It does seem to run in families and yet some never even come close to getting cancer
to you and your family
Tikki
CountAllVotes
(20,875 posts)I'm having a very difficult time getting into the "Holiday Spirit" this year.
I contemplated buying a box of Xmas cards but didn't bother as I see nothing to celebrate.
The sooner this year is gone the better -- what a damn hell!
I believe it does run in families. My own family history is ridden with cancer -- had four male cousins all born back-to-back. All of them were dead from cancer before the age of 55 years or much sooner and the parents of said cousins both died of cancer as well.
What a damn curse there is upon my family, my real family I'm speaking of. Mother was adopted hence the reason for referring to my "aunt" as such. From what I know there is little if any cancer found in her real family (that I found after she died).
So, who the hell knows?
Thanks for the condolences. I do appreciate it very much as I am sad beyond belief and these stupid crying jags are getting me nowhere.
I really should stay off-line. God only knows what I might post at the wrong moment in time right now.
Blanks
(4,835 posts)I only ask because - perhaps it is something environmental, and not necessarily genetic.
Another possibility is diet. If you all have a common relative, perhaps you're drawn to the same foods. According to the documentary 'Forks over Knives' a lot of health ailments can be caused by too much meat and not enough of the right kind of fresh food (containing enzymes which apparently help the body process the foods).
There is a TED talk where a guy talks about proteins being the cure for cancer (he just has a theory, not the specific solution).
I think there is a whole emerging field involving diet as a cure to many ailments, cancer being the main problem.
I'm sorry for your losses.
BlancheSplanchnik
(20,219 posts)calimary
(81,304 posts)can be SO hard, especially for people in mourning. I think about all the families in Newtown - DAMN. Of course that had to happen on DECEMBER 14th.
NOBODY should be unhappy now - actually, let me rephrase that: Nobody DESERVES to be unhappy now. Just know that if you stick around here, you will find great sympathy and comfort. People here have mighty big shoulders and open hearts. When my mom died seven years ago (cancer was just about the only thing she didn't have by then) I posted here - and was literally OVERWHELMED by the love and care and compassion and sympathy that almost literally rained down on me. I'm glad you're posting about it. Especially here. You'll also find a lot of people who can empathize - having lost loved ones of their own to cancer, and many other causes as well. I can't tell you how much it meant to me - all these people I really didn't know, who were there, comforting me and sort of keeping vigil with me. I think it was Skittles who observed "someone's always here." Someone IS always here. Somebody's always awake. Somebody's always keeping the light on. You need not bear this alone, even as bad a year as this has been for you. DU will buoy you up.
JimDandy
(7,318 posts)blackspade
(10,056 posts)My father has pancreatic cancer. It's currently stable but at almost 82, I don't know how much more of the treatments he can weather.
He's just getting tired all the time now which fills me with a lot of anxiety.
CountAllVotes
(20,875 posts)He is lucky to have you as his son and you are there for him. This is so very important!
I wish you and your father the best and if he is suffering, I hope he passes quickly.
Thanks to everyone for you kind thoughts/prayers, etc.
blackspade
(10,056 posts)He's been lucky so far that it hasn't been painful, well except for the surgery.
The worst thing has been the feaking chemo.
I swear that one study trial he was in (which didn't help) almost killed him.
He decided after that that he wasn't going to do that again.
He is on maintenance therapy for now.
He is much more focused on quality of life rather than quantity now.
Thanks again for the good wishes!
liberal_at_heart
(12,081 posts)had cancer before the age of 50 I had genetic counseling. Found out I have BRCA1 gene. This is a gene mutation that puts me at greater risk of getting cancer and is probably why so many of my family members have died from it. Have you had genetic testing done?
mzmolly
(50,996 posts)darkangel218
(13,985 posts)I'm surprised the Big Pharma lobbyist aren't here already calling these findings a "woo".
Bradical79
(4,490 posts)A university press release says it has a licensing relationship with the pharmaceutical company Novartis and "received significant financial benefit" from the trial, and Porter and other inventors of the technology "have benefited financially and/or may benefit financially in the future."
Novartis is a multibillion dollar Swiss company, 2nd largest in the industry I think. If this pans out, they could probably make a fortune while destroying their competition. Being the company to sponsor a legit cure for cancer sounds like it would be extremely beneficial from a financial standpoint.
darkangel218
(13,985 posts)If that is the case, then they might have a chance.
God(s) help them. Fingers crossed!!!!
roseBudd
(8,718 posts)If it works it is medicine. If it is BS used to sell something that does not work, it is woo.
In the therapy, doctors first remove the patient's T-cells, which play a crucial role in the immune system. They then reprogram the cells by transferring in new genes. Once infused back into the body, each modified cell multiplies to 10,000 cells. These "hunter" cells then track down and kill the cancer in a patient's body.
not woo
Chimeric Antigen Receptor Therapy for Cancer.
Barrett DM, Singh N, Porter DL, Grupp SA, June CH.
Source
Abramson Cancer Center and the Departments of Medicine, Pediatrics, and Pathology and Laboratory Medicine, Perelman School of Medicine, University of Pennsylvania, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania 19104; email: barrettd@email.chop.edu.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24274181
backscatter712
(26,355 posts)Sometimes it works great! The immunotherapy works, the immune system kills the cancer, total victory.
And sometimes, it doesn't take. The patient goes through all the treatment, and nothing happens.
Like any cancer treatment, it's a roll of the dice.
The Wizard
(12,545 posts)huge profits for big pharma will be suppressed. Health care for profit should be labeled what it really is, sick care.
darkangel218
(13,985 posts)It will magically "dissapear", just like all the other "breakthroughs".
7962
(11,841 posts)..who would stop the Chinese or Russians etc from being the ones to profit? Just like the old 200mpg engine story. You dont think China would make that regardless of what anyone here said?
But 50 yrs ago they didnt have the capability. Just my .02.
Cancer is so many different types of disease. Cell mutations make each type different, and each treatment reacts differently.
roseBudd
(8,718 posts)Are they the same enforcers that hide the truth of chemtrails?
Happyhippychick
(8,379 posts)Th1onein
(8,514 posts)efficacious for all (even more $$$$).
I'm sorry, but there's been a cure for cancer out for a while now. It's not woo, either. And it works on all kinds of cancers because it attacks the way that cancer cells obtain their energy. I doubt we'll ever see it in this country, though, because the patent on the chemical expired long ago, and no one can make a profit off of it.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22382780
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23267123
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20420565
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12124317
http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/07/24/md-prescience-labs-idUSnBw246023a+100+BSW20130724
nomorenomore08
(13,324 posts)of cancer. Problem is, what we call "cancer" is actually hundreds of different diseases grouped under one heading. So what works for one will not work for all.
Th1onein
(8,514 posts)As I said in a post on another thread:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=4147519
Beaverhausen
(24,470 posts)she had IV chemo twice and ended up in the hospital for a week after getting extremely sick, weak and dehydrated.. Breast cancer. She's now on low dose oral chemo. We are hopeful...
But I'm happy this treatment looks like it works on younger patients.
veness
(413 posts)Beaverhausen
(24,470 posts)Getting old is not for sissies.
nomorenomore08
(13,324 posts)Beaverhausen
(24,470 posts)MADem
(135,425 posts)BlancheSplanchnik
(20,219 posts)And the Novartis post upthread is encouraging too. Sad that it depends on profitability, but glad that the $$$$ aspect seems covered.
DesertDiamond
(1,616 posts)the tissues of his feet. Thirty years later he's still having surgeries to repair the holes that develop in the soles of his feet. Good luck to Nick - I hope this therapy is different.
DesertDiamond
(1,616 posts)Other friends have used that with full success and no ill effects.
nomorenomore08
(13,324 posts)Though I can believe that those therapies work well for certain specific types of cancer. Cancer consists of many different diseases, so it makes sense that different forms would respond to different treatments.
JanT
(229 posts)merrily
(45,251 posts)Has the vaccine against the polio virus been making lots of people rich these days?
DFW
(54,403 posts)I may send them a contribution even though my own personal experience there wasn't the greatest.
DeSwiss
(27,137 posts)Likewise, this (I'm sure quite expensive and lucrative ''treatment'') does nothing to address all the poisons that we're creating, living in, drinking in, eating in, swimming in, bathing in and breathing in -- which is the cause of many of these cancers. It's just another damned chemical fix designed to repair the damage being done by all those other chemicals that another group of scientists created for the greed industry and who have put out there into the environment without any concern whatsoever as to who gets hurt. So fuck BIG PHARMA!
It's ''progress'' that is killing us. We KNOW this. If you want to be healthy, you have to start with yourself. You have to save yourself. The science of the free market will make you sick, just to make money off of you. The medical industry wants to make money off of you by selling you pills and treatments instead of addressing the source of these problems.
Science can't teach an immune cell a damned thing. Science doesn't even understand immune cells. Science can describe what they do. Science can manipulate them. But Science still doesn't understand that mechanism either. Science is a tool to use to try and understand a thing. Science isn't the answer to that thing, and it sure as hell ain't wisdom or intelligence. Science just a bunch of facts. What things do. Understanding what things do, doesn't mean you understand them.
Our bodies are smarter than our egos. Stop eating, breathing, bathing in this shit and poison, and see how fast we all get well. Damn, it's so simple. The truth is right there at the end of our nose. If we can only see it.
The US government has known since at least 1974 that cannabis kills cancer cells. This is documented.
In 1988 scientists discovered that our own bodies produce a form of cannabis (called: endocannabinoids), that are essential for proper health and organ function. And that a person including foods that are high in endocannabinoids into one's diet can address a myriad of health problems. From diabetes to leukemia to brain cancer. Cannabis has been shown to repair damaged nervous systems and scientists learned for the first time that our nervous systems are two-way communication systems, not one-way.
We don't need another hero, Science. We don't need another silver bullet from Science's labcoats. What we need is for Science to stop poisoning us. If Science can start there, that'd be good. Then Science can workout how to clean up the damage that they've already unleashed upon us.
You got diabetes? Eat/juice cannabis. You got cancer? Eat/juice cannabis. You got nerve damage? Eat/juice cannabis. It turns out that cannabis is perfectly made for the human body. The best damned thing on the planet, in fact. No wonder they don't want us to have it. More of it, means less of them.
If you can't eat or juice cannabis because this totally dangerous and medically un-useful weed that the US government has itself patented for the very medical purposes it claims from the other side of its mouth, that it does not to have, is ILLEGAL -- then get yourself some CBD.
CBD is a food supplement loaded with cannabidiol: CBD and CBN. It's made from industrial hemp that's perfectly legal. It uses the stems, the branches and even the roots of the cannabis plant where most of these cannabinoids can be found. It's non-psychotropic. No high. No cops.
And will kick a cancer cell's ass simply by telling it: ''Its time for you to die.''
Cannabis Science - How Marijuana Affects Health - Educational Documentary
- Wake. Up.