Westboro Baptists ‘booking flights’ for Johannesburg to protest Mandela’s funeral
Source: THE RAW STORY
The Westboro Baptist Church has a long history of media-soliciting domestic and international hate protests, with pickets targeting the funerals of dead children at Sandy Hook, fallen soldiers and celebrities like Paul Walker drawing outsized attention.
Their next dive into the fray is a triple-gainer by their historical standards, though a protest of Nelson Mandelas funeral. In South Africa.
In a series of deliberately-provocative Twitter posts, the church says it is buying plane tickets to South Africa and is hoping to coordinate with South African police while they stage a protest at the funeral, citing Mandelas divorce and remarriage as evidence of damnation.
Read more: http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/12/07/westboro-baptists-booking-flights-for-johannesburg-to-protest-mandelas-funeral/
Orrex
(63,215 posts)Posteritatis
(18,807 posts)beac
(9,992 posts)making money by suing people is the Westboro Baptist Church's primary function. Their disgusting beliefs are the means to an end for their ongoing scam to con people into doing something actionable.
Posteritatis
(18,807 posts)LiberalFighter
(50,942 posts)But it would also require keeping them from getting access to an American Embassy.
Maybe SA has laws against agitation of their type??
Scairp
(2,749 posts)The authorities would throw all their asses in jail the second they hit South African soil and then deport them after an appropriate time, which would hopefully be never. Be a nice way to get rid of some of them.
Cha
(297,282 posts)life lesson.
Plucketeer
(12,882 posts)learnin' of any sort is not one of their strong suits.
Cha
(297,282 posts)drilled into them. Yeah, I don't really see them picking much up, either.. no matter what happens.
2banon
(7,321 posts)If they really manage to make it over, perhaps they'll end up taking up permanent residence behind bars. LOL! We'll finally be free of these lunatics!
Ecumenist
(6,086 posts)"protesting" and libelling Mandela, THEY WON'T BE COMING BACK or costing ONE.RED DIME to lock up...TRUST ME! LOL!
murielm99
(30,745 posts)and don't actually show up. Ignore them.
davidpdx
(22,000 posts)Marrah_G
(28,581 posts)Even if they tried they would probably be denied entrance.
7962
(11,841 posts)They dont have the rights to "protest" there that they do here. And it wont take long for the SA people to show these idiots that they wont put up with their crap.
grahamhgreen
(15,741 posts)TheCowsCameHome
(40,168 posts)Anyone with me?
niyad
(113,329 posts)were promised that we would never have to see them again.
IrishEyes
(3,275 posts)I would be happy to send them to their on little deserted island somewhere. Maybe they could take a boat ride through the Bermuda Triangle to get there.
TheCowsCameHome
(40,168 posts)About mid-Atlantic would be just right.
IrishEyes
(3,275 posts)Normally, I would be against throwing garbage in the ocean.
2banon
(7,321 posts)yourmovemonkey
(267 posts)Maybe we could set up a kickstarter campaign
hatrack
(59,587 posts)hobbit709
(41,694 posts)A nice stay in a foreign jail would be most enlightening to them.
Lithos
(26,403 posts)I think their screwing up would not end very pleasantly for them.
L-
truebluegreen
(9,033 posts)if they display their hate-filled bile there as they do here.
CJCRANE
(18,184 posts)diabeticman
(3,121 posts)try this stunt they will see just how the world truly feels about our nutjobs.
Diclotican
(5,095 posts)diabeticman
As most of the world - even if they do have "free speech" they do have limits to the use - not as in the US, where insanity prevail - and sanity are in short suply...
If they do this - travel to South Africa, and try to pick the funeral of Mr Nelson Mandela - the former President of South Africa - they might found out the hard way - that the rest of the World might as well not accept that type of bahavour.... They are not in the US where it seen like the more insane you act - the better it is... And you have the _right" to pick others funeral to show off your bigotry and hatred..
Diclotican
DRoseDARs
(6,810 posts)In the Reply Title you put the name of the poster to whom you're responding, even though your post branches automatically off of theirs. You put their name again as the first text of the Message Text area. And finally you put your name at the bottom, even though the post will automatically show your name. Why do you do this with every post I've ever seen of yours? Seems so redundantly unnecessary and a silly waste of your time. Not trying to offend and please don't be, I've just long-wondered about this.
Paulie
(8,462 posts)DRoseDARs
Wondrous élan.
Paulie
DRoseDARs
(6,810 posts)BronxBoy
(2,286 posts)He doesn't live in the US and English is a second language. Please try to take that into consideration when you belittle someone because of how they write
Response to BronxBoy (Reply #63)
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kestrel91316
(51,666 posts)He's not American and he lives in Europe. I'm not sure what his nationality is, but he's not a native English speaker.
I happen to think he communicates very well. And he can type anything he goddamned wants to in the reply title line.
DRoseDARs
(6,810 posts)How about you take a Midol?
Edit: For the record, I didn't look at your profile until AFTER posting. Generally, I don't give a shit about an anonymous poster's gender, but the Midol comment in light of your over-reaction stands.
WTF?
- Tab
TNNurse
(6,927 posts)I believe they will not actually be a problem..... they are seriously outnumbered wherever they go.
Shrike47
(6,913 posts)Blue Owl
(50,402 posts)Theyletmeeatcake2
(348 posts)Haven't they got enough people to hate at home!
Baitball Blogger
(46,730 posts)This is not going to end well for them.
Is there some way they can stay out of this country?
MNBrewer
(8,462 posts)they can't afford it, and they would never make it out of the airport if they DID go. They are liars and hypocrites.
polly7
(20,582 posts)Their whole shtick is making money from lawsuits claiming their rights to protest are being infringed. I think the SA legal system would probably laugh at that kind of insanity.. Also, they don't have the courage. Imo, this 'Church' group is nothing but a bunch of cowardly sham artists.
awoke_in_2003
(34,582 posts)that South Africa does not have an equivalent to our 1st Amendment. Am I evil?
Diclotican
(5,095 posts)awoke_in_2003
I do not think South Africa have the equivalent to the US 1st amendment at all... So it might be that they would have to visit the inside of a prison cell for a while, if they choose to travel to South Africa, and pick the funeral of Nelson Mandela...
And the police in South Africa is not as polite as many other police forces in the world - rather the opposite
Diclotican
adavid
(140 posts)show up, I'd like to sell tickets to that dance.
calimary
(81,304 posts)Glad you're here. Whenever I see something about these bastards I just start immediately wondering "WHEN will it stop?" WHEN will these assholes finally - I dunno - either learn, or wise up, or shut up, or go away, or cease and desist, or some such. The sheer callous cold cruelty just blows my freakin' mind. How ANYONE could do this shit they do, or even threaten to do it, in ANY way capitalizing or usurping or otherwise pissing on someone's period of mourning, how they can then claim they're doing it in the name of Christ - it's just beyond me.
I hope they get theirs, BIGTIME, someday.
niyad
(113,329 posts)"church". my one amusement regarding them these days is that house across the street from them.
hue
I suspect they will understand - it is LIMITS to how they can treat others if they was ever to leave the US... In South Africa - as most country's do have some limits to "free speech" and I guess trying to disturb the funeral of Nelson Mandela would be seen as a affront to South Africa in general.... I doubt South Africa also have some "1th admedment" as they have it in US - and I have the feeling if they want to play it the same way as they do it in the US, they might discover that others tend to be more fysical than in the US..
The big questioning would be, if they was allowed to visit South Africa at all - I suspect it is no waiver agreement between South Africa and US - so they have to do some paperwork at the South African Embassy - or the nearest consulate.. And I guess (I hope at least) members of the Wesboro Baptist Church are on some list - and the person would be denied aces to South Africa...
But then again - I guess they would not travel to South Africa at all - just smoke and mirror to make some noise...
Diclotican
freshwest
(53,661 posts)They planned to disrupt the funeral of a murdered man, but the government tried to keep them out, although some of them snuck in:
Church members enter Canada, aiming to picket bus victim's funeral
"We're not going to allow these people to compound the tragedy of the McLean family loss, and Canadians simply won't tolerate these lunatics disrupting what should be a respectful service," he told CBC News on Friday.
"Your freedom to swing your arm in the air ends when it touches the end of my nose," he added. "What these people were going to do was hurtful, harmful and disruptive to the peace, order and good government that we guarantee to our citizens, so they have no place in this country."
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/church-members-enter-canada-aiming-to-picket-bus-victim-s-funeral-1.703285
UK bans UK anti-gay pastor Fred Phelps of Westboro Baptist Church
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x3747823
AFAIK, here is part of their little hate group in a public park. I found it on the net, but didn't save the link:
Yes, the First Amendment has been abused terribly. It may be due to the idea that we are supposed to be rebelling against everything, even what is good. There comes a point when one is rebellling against one's best interests. And no respect for anyone else, to cause enmity that doesn't work in the long run.
The Westboro Baptist Church are lawyers, most of them, and have taken advantage of the First Amendment's shield on political and relgious rights. The 1stA no longer serving its purpose to inform people to make good choices in voting, interacting with others or making informed choices in other areas of life.
It's more about propaganda or making money, as this group specializes in lawsuits.
Wow.
freshwest
(53,661 posts)Last edited Sun Dec 8, 2013, 03:55 AM - Edit history (1)
Look at 'em... Suspect they are descendants of the rabble shown here:The GOP wants that kind of society.
2naSalit
(86,646 posts)on both counts!
Gman
(24,780 posts)They're not stupid enough to go somewhere the US Constitution doesn't apply. And they like yo jerk people's chains by just saying they will do something.
niyad
(113,329 posts)and what was wrong with paul walker?
Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)idwiyo
(5,113 posts)1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)though I did not read the article, I suspect that these folks will soon appreciate the liberalism that has sheltered them here in the U.S. They will find that their "right to freedom of expression" only extends to the eastern sea-board, as that is where their Constitutional protections end.
freshwest
(53,661 posts)The 1996 constitution contains more protection for free speech in law and practice than most countries in Africa, but advocacy of hatred that is based on race, ethnicity, gender or religion, and that constitutes incitement to cause harm is not protected.
And if the early Twitter reaction to the WBC announcement is any indication, incitement may already be happening...
They expect some liberalism to protect them there... But what is likely going to be a day of mourning will happen on the 15th and be heavily attended. This group would definitely be incitement of the mourners, IMHO.
Gothmog
(145,293 posts)Let's put the no fly list to an appropriate use
7962
(11,841 posts)Busted out laughing when I saw your post.
IllinoisBirdWatcher
(2,315 posts)Oakenshield
(614 posts)If they stick their necks out over there, I'll be quite surprised if they come back at all. Even if it's in boxes.
hatrack
(59,587 posts)I can't imagine a more dangerous, stupid (to say nothing of phantasmagorically offensive) plan than what they're ostensibly proposing to do.
Standing on a street corner in SA saying that Mandela's in Hell because he remarried? Good luck with that little master plan.
Tikki
(14,557 posts)I already know how they spin their wacky approach to Christianity around and around...
Tikki
bobclark86
(1,415 posts)I can work up thousands of people by merely opening my mouth about something I have no intention of actually doing.
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,732 posts)leaving in time for the funeral will cost them almost $3K apiece. They aren't going.
backscatter712
(26,355 posts)Though they're likely to get necklaced if they do their usual show.
they don't go. They haven't showed up at most of the funerals they claim they're going to recently. Mostly they just SAY they will to get people riled up. And it could very well be that the government of SA knows enough about them not to let them in wouldn't that be pretty!
liberalmuse
(18,672 posts)that these people rarely show up to the places they say they'll be? It's time to turn them off.
2naSalit
(86,646 posts)your post.
I once lived in a rural place where there were lots of wild turkeys. Very early one morning I woke to a strange noise outside the house so I got up to see what it was... there were about 50 or 60 turkeys all circled around my vehicle in the driveway in a very tight group. On the outer edge of the group there were about seven or eight of them constantly announcing that something was going on and it was upsetting. Then I noticed the six Toms that roosted in my trees strutting around all puffed up outside the circle. They would come close to the group and one would set out his wings a bit and say "ooobalooobaloooble!" and the whole crowd would just go off like a screeching gossip competition on steroids as if they were all screaming "OMG!! Did you hear that!? OOOHHHH!" all at once. After a minute they would settle down as the Toms had singled out one of the crowd and herded them off a ways while the "callers" at the edge of the circle would keep announcing the event. And five minutes later the whole thing would start all over again. This went on for a couple hours.
That's what the WBC and the public response to their threats to show up somewhere and protest reminds me of!
Theyletmeeatcake2
(348 posts)Firstly they'll be asked why they are visiting South Africa and if they answer to picket Nelson Mandela's funeral then they won't get in......secondly they have enough hateful white bigots there already ...thirdly they're just plain scum...they are a waste of air
ancianita
(36,064 posts)bullshit. Seriously.
LiberalElite
(14,691 posts)Maybe we'd get lucky and they'd be sent to a labor camp.
gordianot
(15,238 posts)LiberalElite
(14,691 posts)is tell the North Koreans they're going to hell because Jesus isn't their Lord & Savior and they'll be cellies with that other evangelistic American who was sentenced to 15 years hard labor. The difference will be that NOBODY will be trying to get them released.
allan01
(1,950 posts)Hulk
(6,699 posts)Anything to keep in the news.
Realizing it's only their fantasy, I'd really like to see how they might be received in South Africa. I would hope they have a large vat of boiling tar to tar and feather these low life, bottom feeders.
Incitatus
(5,317 posts)MyNameGoesHere
(7,638 posts)and say they have fast tracked this for them. So they can go, and probably get beaten to death, or they could do the likely chicken shit route and decline. Either way its a huge win or a little win.
MindMover
(5,016 posts)the USA ... NO WAY, NO HOW ...
They will have there faces shoved so far up there assholes, they won't see the sun shine for the remainder of there pitiful lives....
Cryptoad
(8,254 posts)we can revoke their passports while they are on their little trip ,,,?
catbyte
(34,402 posts)BainsBane
(53,035 posts)Hopefully S Africa will refuse to let them enter the country.
shenmue
(38,506 posts)They suck.
freshwest
(53,661 posts)RoccoR5955
(12,471 posts)do not improve the image of Americans around the globe.
Many portray us as people like these idiots.
I would they just stay home and go crawl under a rock,
or spend a long time in the Crowbar Hotel, which is where they REALLY belong.
Jack Rabbit
(45,984 posts)And Fred Phelps is worried about a venial matter that is commonplace nowadays.
If a great man like Mandela is going to Hell and a petty bigot like Phelps is going to Heaven, then I choose Hell. There's obviously a better breed of human beings there.
iandhr
(6,852 posts)LadyHawkAZ
(6,199 posts)and chickened out. They only picket when they know they are safe.
I doubt a single member will board a plane.
silvershadow
(10,336 posts)JimboBillyBubbaBob
(1,389 posts)I wonder if they have any of those necklaces left that they used to give away publicly. Maybe a donation could be made to Westboro.
to protest with a burning tire around your neck though.
JimDandy
(7,318 posts)Again.
South Africa awaits you.
uppityperson
(115,677 posts)Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)Along with racism. if they do this, they WILL be going to jail. And I can't imagine that the US consulatewill be much help, as they don't even have the "didn't know!" excuse
ReRe
(10,597 posts)... but hey, we always knew they didn't have much sense.
blkmusclmachine
(16,149 posts)MynameisBlarney
(2,979 posts)It will be the last mistake they ever make.
Tien1985
(920 posts)This year, I would be so pleased if they actually did go. I know they're usually all talk, but the child in me is going "Please! Please! Please!"*
*So long as they leave their kiddos here don't want the young ones paying for the stupidity of their grandfather.
BlueMTexpat
(15,369 posts)Their trying anything there would not end well. In fact, their trying anything like they get away with in the US would end badly for them anywhere else in the world, not so much because their so-called freedom of speech would be under threat but because they are simply badly-behaved idiots and bullies with no sense of conscience, timing or place except inside their own narrow-minded bubbles of hatred.
But they won't go. They are cowards to the core.
DeSwiss
(27,137 posts)...wants to get in an airplane with these assholes and have to fly over that much water?
- Even atheists would be praying for god to smite that airplane.
demwing
(16,916 posts)FreakinDJ
(17,644 posts)RKP5637
(67,110 posts)malthaussen
(17,202 posts)lonestarnot
(77,097 posts)cosmicone
(11,014 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)It's all bluster though - those nuts probably don't even have passports.
YOHABLO
(7,358 posts)DFW
(54,403 posts)If they go, I think the usual "contact the nearest American consulate" advice in case of trouble abroad will not result in much help this time.
Imagine the dialog: "American Consulate? HELP! We're being attacked by an angry mob with clubs and machetes!"
Consulate operator:"What is your location?"
Caller: "We're at the Mandela funeral!"
Consulate Operator:"Who is 'we'?"
Caller: "We're with the Westboro Baptist Church!"
Consulate Operator: "I'll put you through to the right extension immediately."
"Caller: "Please hurry! They look like they want to tear us apart!"
*click!*
Recorded voice: "This is the office of special services of the United
States Consulate in Johannesburg. Please select from the
following five options: For loss of passport, press 1. If you have a medical
emergency, press 2. If you have had a vehicular incident and need
emergency transportation, press 3. If you are in need of legal
representation, press 4. If you are a member of the Westboro Baptist
Church protesting at Nelson Mandela's funeral, press 5, record your last
words at the tone, bend over, and kiss your ass goodbye."
dflprincess
(28,079 posts)get to South Africa - only to have the immigration officials there hold them until they can be put on the next fight back to the U.S.
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)Arkana
(24,347 posts)Then they can get the crap beaten out of them in South Africa.
yellowcanine
(35,699 posts)back to wherever it is they came from.
FMalone
(64 posts)gopiscrap
(23,761 posts)truthisfreedom
(23,148 posts)Hopefully they can find a way to all earn Darwin Awards.
spiderpig
(10,419 posts)as if they will, which they won't.
This bunch is such a scab on humanity. They aren't worth the powder to blow them to hell, yet whenever I see them in a subject line I always look.
Shame on me.
Beacool
(30,249 posts)What do these people do other than stage protests at funerals? It seems to be their main reason for existing as a church.
get the red out
(13,466 posts)They are just maggots always trying to feed on the dead. They have just about as much significance.
Jester Messiah
(4,711 posts)Because, you know, those planes aren't cheap. Probably wouldn't do the ocean's ecosystem much good either.
leftyladyfrommo
(18,868 posts)They are really scum but South Africa isn't like the US. We just try our best to ignore them They might really get mobbed and hurt there.
Then what would we do for entertainment here in Kansas and Missouri?
mahatmakanejeeves
(57,484 posts)I don't mean the OP, hue, I mean Westboro has to put up or shut up.