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Judi Lynn

(160,545 posts)
Tue Dec 17, 2013, 05:57 PM Dec 2013

AP survey: US income gap is holding back economy

Source: Associated Press

AP survey: US income gap is holding back economy
By CHRISTOPHER S. RUGABER, AP Economics Writer | December 17, 2013 | Updated: December 17, 2013 3:38pm

WASHINGTON (AP) — The growing gap between the richest Americans and everyone else isn't bad just for individuals.

It's hurting the U.S. economy.

So says a majority of more than three dozen economists surveyed last week by The Associated Press. Their concerns tap into a debate that's intensified as middle-class pay has stagnated while wealthier households have thrived.

A key source of the economists' concern: Higher pay and outsize stock market gains are flowing mainly to affluent Americans. Yet these households spend less of their money than do low- and middle-income consumers who make up most of the population but whose pay is barely rising.

"What you want is a broader spending base," says Scott Brown, chief economist at Raymond James, a financial advisory firm. "You want more people spending money."



Read more: http://www.chron.com/news/us/article/AP-survey-US-income-gap-is-holding-back-economy-5071849.php

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AP survey: US income gap is holding back economy (Original Post) Judi Lynn Dec 2013 OP
The 1% forgot or want to ignore what Henry Ford knew.... Swede Atlanta Dec 2013 #1
Thanks for stating the obvious AP, better late than never. Phlem Dec 2013 #2
Yeah but Ayn Rand says...... Kingofalldems Dec 2013 #3
Duh? Ya think? loudsue Dec 2013 #4
Depressing wages might have slowed inflation Warpy Dec 2013 #5
No shit Sherlock Moral Compass Dec 2013 #6
K & R nt JudyM Dec 2013 #7
I've been going 'round and 'round with some cons about the minimum wage. CANDO Dec 2013 #8
Of course it is me b zola Dec 2013 #9
That's a Bingo! MrScorpio Dec 2013 #10
 

Swede Atlanta

(3,596 posts)
1. The 1% forgot or want to ignore what Henry Ford knew....
Tue Dec 17, 2013, 06:12 PM
Dec 2013

That in order for Ford Motor company to really thrive and grow he needed to pay his workers enough so that they could afford to purchase a Ford automobile.

The rich think by hoarding all of the wealth somehow they will get richer. While that may be true to some degree. The values of their investments would be even greater and with more stability if more people could actually afford to consume the goods and services provided by the companies their investments represent.

Phlem

(6,323 posts)
2. Thanks for stating the obvious AP, better late than never.
Tue Dec 17, 2013, 06:19 PM
Dec 2013

To me it was pretty obvious that when Americans lose from out sourcing, there tend to be nothing for them to do but get into a different field. Yes you've heard it before, you have to pull yourself up by the boot straps and make things happen. Good luck with that and hopefully the new field you just trained for doesn't get outsourced too. But that's O.K., plenty of boot straps to go around.

When one company starts outsourcing, say 3D artist jobs, the they tend to all do it at some point leaving a big hole of unemployment. Those jobs in the US become scarce and there becomes a glut of people all vying for that one open position. Then that company has all the power, for how long your workdays are, the amount you get paid, and the things one can and can't say during work. Not like slavery but headed in that direction.

Now lets do this for several fields and positions in the US.

The glut of unemployed who have no disposable income increases and retail start's to feel the affects, then prices and the cost of living go up to compensate, then taxes start to feel the effect, a constriction in taxable income, Which means we start paying more in taxes to compensate. It turns the country into circling the bowl and income disparity increases causing angst and unrest in the population.

I'll stop there because we all know how this ends.

I know it's a generalization but I've been watching this for years, one can finally slow down and pay attention when one is unemployed for years.

But hey, lets put another Turdwayer or, god forbid, another Republican in the Presidents chair cause that'll change things!



-p

loudsue

(14,087 posts)
4. Duh? Ya think?
Tue Dec 17, 2013, 06:37 PM
Dec 2013

This is what LIBERALS have been telling them for YEARS!!!

It is so frustrating that Liberals seem to always be the voices crying in the dark, while everyone else keeps riding downstream on the happy boat, heading straight for the HUGE waterfall with the rocky bottom.

Warpy

(111,277 posts)
5. Depressing wages might have slowed inflation
Tue Dec 17, 2013, 06:57 PM
Dec 2013

but it also brought a 70% consumer driven economy to the brink of collapse.

Things are not going to get better for anyone until wages rise. A lot.

The rich will find their net worth decreased by the inflation built in to fiat currency and they will piss and moan because of it. However, they will be making up for it and then some through increased earnings as the economy starts to recover.

Moral Compass

(1,521 posts)
6. No shit Sherlock
Tue Dec 17, 2013, 07:28 PM
Dec 2013

If you've had Econ 101 (Macroeconomics) and understood even a little bit of it you already understand how obvious this all is. More and more of all of the wealth is flowing into the hands of those that were already spending as much as they wanted and needed to spend.

So, where does this money go? Do these job creators go out and put the wealth at risk by starting businesses that put more people to work? Do they do Angel financing? Do they get involved in venture capital funds that fund the startups that make our economy sing?

No, they passively invest this wealth in stocks/preferred stocks/bonds/commodity funds that are pretty much sure things. There is some risk, but not much. This is investment in pretty much sure things unless you run into your occasional Bernie Madoffs/Alan Staffords...

And for these passive, low risk investments that are labor free they get a special tax rate of 15%.

This explains why the Dow and the Nasdaq just keeps climbing and climbing while the domestic economy remains relatively moribund.

Increasingly, these well established corporations who have been given the ability to expatriate their profits with accounting maneuvers have trillions to pursue foreign growth markets (where the local governments haven't signed away the keys to the economic kingdom with "trade pacts" like NAFTA) and can just let the US wither away.

Our current group of Democrats are busily trying to ram through TPP and make things even worse.

Merry Christmas. And can I say, "Duh!"?

 

CANDO

(2,068 posts)
8. I've been going 'round and 'round with some cons about the minimum wage.
Tue Dec 17, 2013, 07:57 PM
Dec 2013

Talk to any conservative and you'll hear all about the evils of there even being a minimum wage, much less raise it.

me b zola

(19,053 posts)
9. Of course it is
Tue Dec 17, 2013, 08:28 PM
Dec 2013

When the wealthiest hoard their wealth and economically beat up upon the working class, the over all economy will suffer. They truly are sociopaths. They don't care what horrors they unleash.

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