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stubtoe

(1,862 posts)
Wed Mar 14, 2012, 04:26 PM Mar 2012

Santorum to Puerto Rico: Speak English if you want statehood

Source: Reuters

Republican presidential hopeful Rick Santorum told Puerto Ricans on Wednesday they would have to make English their primary language if they want to pursue U.S. statehood, a statement at odds with the U.S. Constitution.

Read more: http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/03/14/us-usa-campaign-puertorico-idUSBRE82D16Z20120314



Ooooo, talkin' tough. The popularity contest has gone to his head, methinks.
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Santorum to Puerto Rico: Speak English if you want statehood (Original Post) stubtoe Mar 2012 OP
Where's my fucking clue-by-four?! sakabatou Mar 2012 #1
Did you check to see if you left it wedged upside the back of Santorums head? cstanleytech Mar 2012 #11
LOL harun Mar 2012 #2
Yeah, that's gonna go over big! freshwest Mar 2012 #97
Keep digging, asshole. Hell Hath No Fury Mar 2012 #3
POS*** is Santorum. n/t RKP5637 Mar 2012 #4
santorum = Una mezcla espumosa de lubricante y materia fecal, la cual suele ser el producto de Guy Whitey Corngood Mar 2012 #5
El sabor favorito de los Republicanos... rfranklin Mar 2012 #7
Y se la sirven a sus seguidores en bandeja diciendoles que es caviar. nt Guy Whitey Corngood Mar 2012 #10
Si digo lo que estoy pensando... Rozlee Mar 2012 #30
Uh, I don't speak Spanish, but I get the drift..... louis-t Mar 2012 #84
What's the point of speaking English, if you don't read the constitution? nt Xipe Totec Mar 2012 #6
Excellent point! : ) n/t MBS Mar 2012 #43
+1 freshwest Mar 2012 #55
Zippity do da Iliyah Mar 2012 #8
Puerto Rico to Santorum. dipsydoodle Mar 2012 #9
Or LeftishBrit Mar 2012 #34
lol dipsydoodle Mar 2012 #35
But Santorum wouldn't know what you said in Spanish liberal N proud Mar 2012 #83
Rick Santorum is the best think Mittens has going for him... brooklynite Mar 2012 #12
Does Puerto Rico even want statehood? Mz Pip Mar 2012 #13
I was thinking the same thing. iscooterliberally Mar 2012 #21
Does he think this will make them happy? Indianademocrat91 Mar 2012 #65
That same attitude shown by Mr. Sanctmonious pRick... Lost-in-FL Mar 2012 #74
you said it. I wouldn't want to BlancheSplanchnik Mar 2012 #86
Lol... found on FB Lost-in-FL Mar 2012 #91
That's the truth!!! BlancheSplanchnik Mar 2012 #92
I honestly don't think Santorum thinks much at all. iscooterliberally Mar 2012 #89
The way we're imploding? BiggJawn Mar 2012 #77
LOL THEY ARE TRYING TO OUT-TEABAG EACH OTHER Skittles Mar 2012 #14
Puerto Rico unionworks Mar 2012 #15
Sanitorium, speak Iriquois, or any other Original Native America if you want to be in this country. Dont call me Shirley Mar 2012 #16
America to Santorum: If you want to be President, lastlib Mar 2012 #17
The problem with closed minds is that they're always attached to open mouths nt Xipe Totec Mar 2012 #20
Just keep talking holy ricky, keep on talking. you sure are talking yourself out of president and southernyankeebelle Mar 2012 #18
Brockway, PA? mackattack Mar 2012 #75
Na, it was Carbondale, PA. My mother couldn't even have a friend who lived next door southernyankeebelle Mar 2012 #78
Everything Santorum knows about Puerto Rico he learned from West Side Story. n/t Ian David Mar 2012 #19
"when you're a jet, you're a jet all the way.... awoke_in_2003 Mar 2012 #36
Santorum, get a clue, learn to speak Spanish! Try a little cultural enlightment! crunch60 Mar 2012 #22
He doesn't even realize that Italian and Spanish are almost some of the same words if you southernyankeebelle Mar 2012 #79
Probably, Santorum's message was not the Puerto Ricans. SDjack Mar 2012 #23
this would only make sense if the USA had English as the LittleGirl Mar 2012 #24
At this rate.... Aviation Pro Mar 2012 #25
Did Santorum win Louisiana? mackattack Mar 2012 #26
Hey, Santorum. My Grandpa only spoke ITALIAN HockeyMom Mar 2012 #27
He is a socialist!!!!! mackattack Mar 2012 #28
As if the republicans want Puerto Rico as a state. demosincebirth Mar 2012 #29
Uh, Little ricky, My wife is Puerto Rican. MarianJack Mar 2012 #31
Fuck you Santorum TNLib Mar 2012 #32
Are there Puerto Ricans sulphurdunn Mar 2012 #33
In my experience, no... awoke_in_2003 Mar 2012 #39
yep, quite a few. I am guessing at least a third Bacchus4.0 Mar 2012 #42
Idiot! sarcasmo Mar 2012 #37
Gee. It's as if the guy ever did a patriotic thing in his life. Octafish Mar 2012 #38
No he dit-n't. This guy has a total political death wish!! Where's his wife to set him straight? Laura PourMeADrink Mar 2012 #40
Submissively waiting for him to allow her to speak Blaze Diem Mar 2012 #44
Juán del Pueblo to Santorum: "Raspate pa'l carajo a comer Santorum" (Go to hell n eat Santorum) Lost-in-FL Mar 2012 #41
Santorum carla Mar 2012 #45
After watching gejohnston Mar 2012 #46
Santorum is a moron for many reasons, obviously, but I don't get the hysterical opposition to sikorsky Mar 2012 #47
He is talking about Puerto Rico IN Puerto Rico... Lost-in-FL Mar 2012 #48
I understand that, I was speaking in general terms. What would some of those reasons be? sikorsky Mar 2012 #53
I think because it is one of those issues that could be left to the states? Lost-in-FL Mar 2012 #61
It begs the question-- What is the precise and relevant reason to indeed call a language official? LanternWaste Mar 2012 #100
I think it's obvious that having a common language in which to conduct government business sikorsky Mar 2012 #101
I've made it a point to learn enough of the local languages in every country I've visited/worked AlbertCat Mar 2012 #54
No, it's not a "bad" idea but why limit it to Spanish (again speaking generally) sikorsky Mar 2012 #58
For me it's about intent Bradical79 Mar 2012 #73
Rick, while you are there... tell puertorricans you want to make contraception illegal. Lost-in-FL Mar 2012 #49
Can't believe this fool is running for president abelenkpe Mar 2012 #50
Santorum to Puerto Rico: Speak English if you want statehood AlbertCat Mar 2012 #51
Why is this an issue? former9thward Mar 2012 #52
This message was self-deleted by its author CreekDog Mar 2012 #103
People can talk about anything they want. former9thward Mar 2012 #104
They all speak English anyway. RebelOne Mar 2012 #56
Show me where in the constitution it says one must speak English Justice wanted Mar 2012 #57
You'd think he would speak a little Spanish to them IF he wants votes lunasun Mar 2012 #59
Santorum es un idiota. Odin2005 Mar 2012 #60
shouldnt it be mackattack Mar 2012 #76
It's always idiota. I'm not sure what the rule is, but it's one of the words that Common Sense Party Mar 2012 #80
No, that word is gender neutral. nt Guy Whitey Corngood Mar 2012 #81
Many masculine borrowings from Greek end in A Odin2005 Mar 2012 #85
English isn't the only language with goofy exceptions. Agua in Spanish is 'masculine' and mano sikorsky Mar 2012 #94
I just hope Jesus loves us enough to make Rick Santorum the Republican nominee Douglas Carpenter Mar 2012 #62
Eh, there probably aren't that many Puerto Rican voters in America Canuckistanian Mar 2012 #63
The stupid is strong in this one.... Harry Monroe Mar 2012 #64
Men must wear sweater vests, longship Mar 2012 #66
Ooh, another entry in the "Beat the Reagan states' rights in Mississippi speech" contest? alp227 Mar 2012 #67
Has he ever said anything that sounded reasonable? eyewall Mar 2012 #68
That ought to work ...to get more voters. Historic NY Mar 2012 #69
Wow they just keep em coming.... Kalidurga Mar 2012 #70
Does PR want to be a State? burrowowl Mar 2012 #71
Joder a tu alma de pollo con un transductor de ultrasonido, Santorum. (NT) Heywood J Mar 2012 #72
wow...doesn't this guy have like an army of highly paid advisors and strategists?? Blue_Tires Mar 2012 #82
Another "Kennedy moment" for Santorum Zambero Mar 2012 #87
Tell Rick that even without statehood and English as an official language NoGOPZone Mar 2012 #88
Hey Ricky Liberalynn Mar 2012 #90
Un-fucking un-believable Hepburn Mar 2012 #93
Fuck, he's actually managed to make Dubya and Newt look culturally sensitive. iris27 Mar 2012 #95
English used to be taught in the public schools in PR but it was removed in the early 50"s Redford Mar 2012 #96
That's the biggest load I have ever heard. Lost-in-FL Mar 2012 #98
Results: 8% (LOLOLOLOL) Amonester Mar 2012 #99
After all Santorum would make an ideal candidate Rosa Luxemburg Mar 2012 #102

cstanleytech

(26,291 posts)
11. Did you check to see if you left it wedged upside the back of Santorums head?
Wed Mar 14, 2012, 04:50 PM
Mar 2012

Mind you that would be one heck of a shot for you to have tried though on him seeing as he does tend to keep his head well protected by leaving it shoved up inside his ass.

LeftishBrit

(41,205 posts)
34. Or
Wed Mar 14, 2012, 06:50 PM
Mar 2012

Vayase a la mierda!

(One of the few Spanish phrases I know, taught me by a helpful Spanish friend!)

brooklynite

(94,572 posts)
12. Rick Santorum is the best think Mittens has going for him...
Wed Mar 14, 2012, 04:51 PM
Mar 2012

Romney will keep saying goofy, pandering things, causing him to stumble along the campaign trail, but he can always count on Ricky to blow his forward momentum with a statement that veers off of blue-collar economics into Tea Party land.

Mz Pip

(27,445 posts)
13. Does Puerto Rico even want statehood?
Wed Mar 14, 2012, 04:52 PM
Mar 2012

Seems like this comes up every once in a while but it seems PR is content with the status quo.

iscooterliberally

(2,860 posts)
21. I was thinking the same thing.
Wed Mar 14, 2012, 05:29 PM
Mar 2012

I haven't been down there in over 20 years, but I remember that not too many people wanted to be the 51st state.

Indianademocrat91

(390 posts)
65. Does he think this will make them happy?
Wed Mar 14, 2012, 10:23 PM
Mar 2012

How does telling a "territory" to pretty much fuck off unless you change to my ways get him any votes? I can't believe there are that many idiots in Puerto Rico...maybe I'm wrong

Lost-in-FL

(7,093 posts)
74. That same attitude shown by Mr. Sanctmonious pRick...
Thu Mar 15, 2012, 10:26 AM
Mar 2012

is what's keeping Puertorricans from embracing statehood. Statehood would not change their status as second class citizens.

BlancheSplanchnik

(20,219 posts)
86. you said it. I wouldn't want to
Thu Mar 15, 2012, 12:58 PM
Mar 2012

join a club that clearly let me know they thought I was s&*#t


Off topic, too---where the heck did you get that avatar? It's great! I want the sticker!!

 

unionworks

(3,574 posts)
15. Puerto Rico
Wed Mar 14, 2012, 04:54 PM
Mar 2012

Puerto Rico has lost a disproportionately high number of its sons and daughters in our wars. Santorum needs his mouth washed out with soap.

 

southernyankeebelle

(11,304 posts)
18. Just keep talking holy ricky, keep on talking. you sure are talking yourself out of president and
Wed Mar 14, 2012, 05:13 PM
Mar 2012

maybe a VP. The nerve of this guy. I am originally from PA. I should say I was just born there. Didn't spend much time growing up there. He reminds me of my Italian relatives (2d generation) telling my mother who was from Italy your in america and now you have to speak american. I think it is terrible.

 

southernyankeebelle

(11,304 posts)
78. Na, it was Carbondale, PA. My mother couldn't even have a friend who lived next door
Thu Mar 15, 2012, 11:15 AM
Mar 2012

who was a hispanic. They had children and we were allowed to play together. But we found ways to get around that. My parents didn't raise us to hate. They always said the more you meet people of other backgrounds the more comfortable to be around others. They were right.

 

awoke_in_2003

(34,582 posts)
36. "when you're a jet, you're a jet all the way....
Wed Mar 14, 2012, 07:03 PM
Mar 2012

from your first cigarette to your last dying day." That will be running through my head all night.

 

crunch60

(1,412 posts)
22. Santorum, get a clue, learn to speak Spanish! Try a little cultural enlightment!
Wed Mar 14, 2012, 05:30 PM
Mar 2012

This is a bilateral country whether you like it or not. Of course, I realize your not big on education. You are as ignorant as they come!

tener un buen día imbécil ignorante!

 

southernyankeebelle

(11,304 posts)
79. He doesn't even realize that Italian and Spanish are almost some of the same words if you
Thu Mar 15, 2012, 11:16 AM
Mar 2012

take the time to listen. He is an idiot.

SDjack

(1,448 posts)
23. Probably, Santorum's message was not the Puerto Ricans.
Wed Mar 14, 2012, 05:33 PM
Mar 2012

They just happened to be present to reflect his position on language to the RW nutters in the States.

Aviation Pro

(12,168 posts)
25. At this rate....
Wed Mar 14, 2012, 05:46 PM
Mar 2012

...if Foamy gets the nomination he'll sweep his immediate family in the general election.

 

mackattack

(344 posts)
28. He is a socialist!!!!!
Wed Mar 14, 2012, 06:00 PM
Mar 2012

Doesnt the invisible hand of the free market say that you can speak whatever language you want as long as you can make a living while doing it. Why does Mr. Santorum hate capitalism?

MarianJack

(10,237 posts)
31. Uh, Little ricky, My wife is Puerto Rican.
Wed Mar 14, 2012, 06:31 PM
Mar 2012

She, her immediate family, her extended family and the family friends we met when we visited Puerto Rico a few years back can ALL speak English better than that little shit has ever spoken in his life.

It amazes me how often racist dipshits like little ricky think that speaking more than one language is a sign of ignorance.

I truly hope that little ricky is the nominee so that President Obama can mop the floor with him from coast to coast.

PEACE!

TNLib

(1,819 posts)
32. Fuck you Santorum
Wed Mar 14, 2012, 06:31 PM
Mar 2012

I went to Puerto Rico last Feb and the only place I had a hard communicating with anyone was in the Miami National Airport. Most people I dealt with PR spoke fluent english and fluent Spanish.

So fuck you Santorum it's obvious you havent' been to PR.

 

awoke_in_2003

(34,582 posts)
39. In my experience, no...
Wed Mar 14, 2012, 07:07 PM
Mar 2012

my ex-fiance was Puerto Rican, and had a very large family. Her parents and grandparents were born there. They knew how to speak english even before they moved to Ohio.

Bacchus4.0

(6,837 posts)
42. yep, quite a few. I am guessing at least a third
Wed Mar 14, 2012, 07:15 PM
Mar 2012

have limited to very limited English skills.

and a third speak English fluently and a third in between.

the statehood supporters make up about 45% so its a non-issue right now outside of the island anyway.

Lost-in-FL

(7,093 posts)
41. Juán del Pueblo to Santorum: "Raspate pa'l carajo a comer Santorum" (Go to hell n eat Santorum)
Wed Mar 14, 2012, 07:13 PM
Mar 2012

If he is for implementing "state laws" which he chooses to use those to promote hate towards the GLBT, immigrants, et al., purely out of party politics and his extremist christianity... then why can't PRs choose to keep Spanish as their language of choice under THEIR state law? Or is he now against state law?

"O the pintas o the haces rolos?"

gejohnston

(17,502 posts)
46. After watching
Wed Mar 14, 2012, 07:31 PM
Mar 2012

what some asshole Anglos did (and continue to do) to Arizona (not so much New Mexico as far as I can tell) after statehood and mass produced air conditioning:
Sun City
Jan Brewer
Stazi Sheriff Joe
Why would they want statehood?

 

sikorsky

(96 posts)
47. Santorum is a moron for many reasons, obviously, but I don't get the hysterical opposition to
Wed Mar 14, 2012, 07:34 PM
Mar 2012

having English be our 'official' language. I've made it a point to learn enough of the local languages in every country I've visited/worked in (actually 52 countries so far) to at least navigate around and conduct basic human activity (finding lodging, food, bathroom, phone, transportation, etc.). I'm reasonably fluent in Spanish, Italian and French and I can 'get by' in Japanese, Portuguese and German...certainly not able to translate novels but well enough to survive. I've found that just making the effort reaps enormous benefits...most 'foreigners' will bend over backward to be helpful (and enjoy some laughs at our expense) if we just TRY.

If I were ever to relocate to a non-English speaking country to live or commit to a long-term stay, I'd absolutely accept their desire for me to accommodate their wishes if they included a requirement for me to adopt their language. I guess what puzzles me is why some think that shouldn't be done in all directions.



Lost-in-FL

(7,093 posts)
48. He is talking about Puerto Rico IN Puerto Rico...
Wed Mar 14, 2012, 07:40 PM
Mar 2012

...not their citizens in the USA. Unlike the US, Puerto Rico has an official language, both Spanish and English. I am sure there are plenty of good reasons to keep the USA from adopting a language.

 

sikorsky

(96 posts)
53. I understand that, I was speaking in general terms. What would some of those reasons be?
Wed Mar 14, 2012, 08:09 PM
Mar 2012

I am genuinely interested. I get it that some Americans are against having an 'official' language (and of course many are for it too), would those in the former camp also be opposed to, say, Chile, proposing or mandating Spanish as -their- official tongue? I'm just trying to figure out why it works only in one direction (if it does)

Lost-in-FL

(7,093 posts)
61. I think because it is one of those issues that could be left to the states?
Wed Mar 14, 2012, 08:54 PM
Mar 2012
There are a few states with official languages.

I am not sure. But I do not think it would make a bit a difference. Me thinks in the end it is purely about politics.

It is said (a survey by the PEW Research Center a few years back mentioned this) that the great majority of people not fluent in the English language are newcomers (1st Generation). For the most part, those newcomers heavily encourage their kids to learn English in addition to the native language of their parents but many others avoid teaching them a language other than English all together afraid their kids they would be mocked or discriminated against. By the 3rd generation there are no traces of a foreign language in the family according to the PEW Research. This only proves that regardless of "a law" the "de facto" language of the US is English. Making it the official language is a waste of $.
 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
100. It begs the question-- What is the precise and relevant reason to indeed call a language official?
Tue Mar 20, 2012, 04:06 PM
Mar 2012

It begs the question-- What is the precise and relevant reason to indeed call a language official? Precisely and objectively how would it make our lives in the United States as American more effective... more efficient... easier?

What in deed and in fact, would it accomplish that is not already accomplished?

 

sikorsky

(96 posts)
101. I think it's obvious that having a common language in which to conduct government business
Tue Mar 20, 2012, 07:07 PM
Mar 2012

in any given nation confers many advantages, culturally and financially. I'd even support having an 'official' WORLD language if there were any way to implement it. I suspect it will eventually happen anyway, the question now seems, however, not "When will it be English" but "Will it be English or Chinese".

 

AlbertCat

(17,505 posts)
54. I've made it a point to learn enough of the local languages in every country I've visited/worked
Wed Mar 14, 2012, 08:09 PM
Mar 2012

Like Puerto Ricans (and other Spanish speaking people) don't.

The opposition is that it is dumb and a waste of time.

But if you want to follow PR's lead and make Spanish and English the official languages of the USA, then every child must be taught to be bilingual from the 1st day of kindergarden or day care. Now that's not a bad idea.

 

sikorsky

(96 posts)
58. No, it's not a "bad" idea but why limit it to Spanish (again speaking generally)
Wed Mar 14, 2012, 08:19 PM
Mar 2012

My question was about the sometimes almost hysterical response to suggestions that a country (Now I mean the USA which I understand isn't the specific subject of this thread but the implications are very clear) - I have actually encountered local people who are violently opposed to this but don't object when other countries do the same thing when their own particular lingua franca is at issue. It confuses me. I didn't mean to divert the discussion, but I do think my question is relevant...


 

Bradical79

(4,490 posts)
73. For me it's about intent
Thu Mar 15, 2012, 09:53 AM
Mar 2012

Usually, there are racist undertones with the politicians and groups who push for English to be made the official language. It seems like I often see these ideas coupled with moves to remove necessary services for those who aren't fluent in English, or other policies irrationally hostile to immigration.

 

AlbertCat

(17,505 posts)
51. Santorum to Puerto Rico: Speak English if you want statehood
Wed Mar 14, 2012, 08:00 PM
Mar 2012

Does this guy ever think about anything important?.... Anything? .... anything at all....

Like, just how are they gonna arrange 51 stars on the flag? Huh? How they 'gonna do it, Rick?

former9thward

(32,009 posts)
52. Why is this an issue?
Wed Mar 14, 2012, 08:05 PM
Mar 2012

There is no evidence that Puerto Rico wants statehood or independence. It has always been voted down in referendums there.

Response to former9thward (Reply #52)

former9thward

(32,009 posts)
104. People can talk about anything they want.
Tue Mar 20, 2012, 08:15 PM
Mar 2012

I was just curious since they seems to be no evidence PRs want a change in their status. But I don't live there and maybe there is a movement.

lunasun

(21,646 posts)
59. You'd think he would speak a little Spanish to them IF he wants votes
Wed Mar 14, 2012, 08:41 PM
Mar 2012

so many valid issues such a narrow brain

Common Sense Party

(14,139 posts)
80. It's always idiota. I'm not sure what the rule is, but it's one of the words that
Thu Mar 15, 2012, 11:47 AM
Mar 2012

doesn't change endings depending on the gender.

 

sikorsky

(96 posts)
94. English isn't the only language with goofy exceptions. Agua in Spanish is 'masculine' and mano
Thu Mar 15, 2012, 07:31 PM
Mar 2012

(hand) is 'feminine'. Go figure.

edit, I meant to add a little joke about one of our own oddities, "I before E except after C in this weird society"

Canuckistanian

(42,290 posts)
63. Eh, there probably aren't that many Puerto Rican voters in America
Wed Mar 14, 2012, 10:02 PM
Mar 2012

So insulting them won't make a difference.

Harry Monroe

(2,935 posts)
64. The stupid is strong in this one....
Wed Mar 14, 2012, 10:10 PM
Mar 2012

....now he's going for losing the Latino vote. What an idiot!! If this guy becomes President, I'm renouncing my citizenship!!

longship

(40,416 posts)
66. Men must wear sweater vests,
Wed Mar 14, 2012, 10:34 PM
Mar 2012

women must wear burkas. Muslims and Jews must eat bacon just like all good Christians. We are a Christian country.

alp227

(32,025 posts)
67. Ooh, another entry in the "Beat the Reagan states' rights in Mississippi speech" contest?
Wed Mar 14, 2012, 11:09 PM
Mar 2012

Let's see:
- Newt Gingrich calling Obama a "food stamp president";
- He-who-shall-not-be-named: "I don't want to make black people's lives better by giving them somebody else's money."
- Oh wow, I just learned that Gingrich actually used the term "states' rights" in a Feb. 29 speech in Georgia!
- And Mr. S-Word actually doubled down on the Grinch's food stamp insult: "Speaking to a large crowd at the conservative Americans for Prosperity Presidential forum here, Santorum said he planned to 'talk to minority communities, not about giving them food stamps and government dependency, but about creating jobs so that they can participate in the rise of this country.'"

I guess he may lose the US territory vote here, but the territory delegates are insignificant compared with those for the 50 states. Plus, at least Santorum was smart enough not to trash the Cajun people of Louisiana. Because Louisiana's primary is soon. (Some in Santorum's war room have told him to talk in dog whistle about a certain OTHER race...)

eyewall

(674 posts)
68. Has he ever said anything that sounded reasonable?
Wed Mar 14, 2012, 11:15 PM
Mar 2012

This idiot keeps my cognitive dissonance in overdrive.

I thought Mrs Palin was a complete outrage, and then they give us this.

I just can't believe it.

Kalidurga

(14,177 posts)
70. Wow they just keep em coming....
Thu Mar 15, 2012, 12:43 AM
Mar 2012

I remember the good old days when the most outrageous thing I heard was some guy a RWer saying children should be hired as janitors...

burrowowl

(17,641 posts)
71. Does PR want to be a State?
Thu Mar 15, 2012, 01:14 AM
Mar 2012

Not really.
In New Mexico English and Spanish are the official languages, since many at the time it became a state used to be Mexicans.

Zambero

(8,964 posts)
87. Another "Kennedy moment" for Santorum
Thu Mar 15, 2012, 01:32 PM
Mar 2012

When all else fails, go out of your way to insult your target audience. Did he mention that seeing signs or hearing conversations in Spanish makes him want to throw up?

NoGOPZone

(2,971 posts)
88. Tell Rick that even without statehood and English as an official language
Thu Mar 15, 2012, 01:45 PM
Mar 2012

they're still citizens. His head might explode.

Hepburn

(21,054 posts)
93. Un-fucking un-believable
Thu Mar 15, 2012, 04:15 PM
Mar 2012

How can anyone be THAT out of it?

This is off the charts even for a Repuke.

iris27

(1,951 posts)
95. Fuck, he's actually managed to make Dubya and Newt look culturally sensitive.
Sun Mar 18, 2012, 01:52 AM
Mar 2012

I made fun of GWB's bad Spanish grammar when he gave a speech to Puerto Ricans and threw in a bit of Spanish. And I made a LOT of fun of Newt when he told the Univision interviewer he could give the questions in Spanish if Newt could respond in English...but then he didn't even understand "vamos a empezar, bien?" (we're going to start, ok?).

But Jesus, at least they were trying, and not chastising Spanish-speaking Americans.

Redford

(373 posts)
96. English used to be taught in the public schools in PR but it was removed in the early 50"s
Sun Mar 18, 2012, 04:55 PM
Mar 2012

Why? Because Puerto Ricans that could speak English were more likely to move to the states for job and education opportunities. It is why there are more Puerto Ricans in New York than in PR today. When American corporations built factories over in PR (they did not have to pay tax on goods produced there) they needed a captured workforce. So the governor, Luis Munoz Marin, took English out of the public schools so they people were less likely to leave thus insuring the the workforce. There is a great book on the subject titled "Isla Verde". The tax loophole was closed up a few years ago and the corporations shuttered up factories are everywhere.

I lived there for three years in the early 2000's and my kids attended private school taught in English with the children of the very wealthy Puerto Ricans. The rich make sure their kids their kids speak fluent English.

Lost-in-FL

(7,093 posts)
98. That's the biggest load I have ever heard.
Tue Mar 20, 2012, 02:36 AM
Mar 2012

As a matter of fact, my nephew currently goes to an english only 'charter' school in Puerto Rico and will be graduating in June. I was born and raised there and my parents were dirt poor. We never had a chance at getting a private school education. I moved from PR at the age of 23 years in search of employment and opportunities. Most of my English I learn in the PR public school system and publicly funded state university (Recinto Universitario de Mayagüez-University of Puerto Rico). My brother, a PR graduate with a PhD in Medical Microbiology and now professor at a PR Medical school, has never set foot in the US for longer than 2 weeks and he speaks English fluently.


The only reason why there are no corporate tax breaks for companies to encourage low unemployment numbers any longer is because the pro-statehood governor at the time, Carlos Romero Barceló, thought it was a great idea to choke PR's economy with the intention of forcing Puertorricans to plead for statehood.

Since you mentioned Luis Muñoz Marín, who by the way has little to do with removing English from public schools, he was the one person responsible for bringing a democratically elected governor to PR. Prior to formal elections, PR was ran like Iraq shortly after the invasion. Washington would name a general or a 'Bremmer' type big cheese to command the island from an office somewhere in Washington.

You can learn more about the colonial relationship between PR and the USA through this book by a real historian and law professor and expert on PR-US relations in America's Colony. It is a well researched book with a very useful bibliography. http://books.google.com/books/about/America_s_colony.html?id=pKqVpqGVsJYC

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