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dipsydoodle

(42,239 posts)
Fri Mar 16, 2012, 11:27 AM Mar 2012

Italy Said to Pay Morgan Stanley $3.4 Billion

Source: Bloomberg News

When Morgan Stanley (MS) said in January it had cut its “net exposure” to Italy by $3.4 billion, it didn’t tell investors that the nation paid that entire amount to the bank to exit a bet on interest rates.

Italy, the second-most indebted nation in the European Union, paid the money to unwind derivative contracts from the 1990s that had backfired, said a person with direct knowledge of the Treasury’s payment. It was cheaper for Italy to cancel the transactions rather than to renew, said the person, who declined to be identified because the terms were private.

The cost, equal to half the amount to be raised by Italy’s sales tax increase this year, underscores the risk derivatives countries use to reduce borrowing costs and guard against swings in interest rates and currencies can sour and generate losses for taxpayers. Italy, with record debt of $2.5 trillion, has lost more than $31 billion on its derivatives at current market values, according to data compiled by the Bloomberg Brief Risk newsletter from regulatory filings.

“These losses demonstrate the speculative nature of these deals and the supremacy of finance over government,” said Italian senator Elio Lannutti, chairman of the consumer group Adusbef.

Read more: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-03-16/italy-said-to-pay-morgan-stanley-3-4-billion-to-exit-derivative.html

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Italy Said to Pay Morgan Stanley $3.4 Billion (Original Post) dipsydoodle Mar 2012 OP
The Italian Job Turbineguy Mar 2012 #1
MS AND GS HAVE BECOME RIVER BOAT GAMBLERS HowHasItComeToThis Mar 2012 #2
I have a feeling that some Morgan Stanley offices in Italy will have their windows broken. Crowman1979 Mar 2012 #3
Morgan Stanley ripped off Italy and nobody, as usual, went to jail? aquart Mar 2012 #4
How is it even legal or ethical for a government, whose decisions directly affect the prices Fool Count Mar 2012 #5

Crowman1979

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3. I have a feeling that some Morgan Stanley offices in Italy will have their windows broken.
Fri Mar 16, 2012, 02:49 PM
Mar 2012

You know the people in Italy are going to be pissed.

aquart

(69,014 posts)
4. Morgan Stanley ripped off Italy and nobody, as usual, went to jail?
Fri Mar 16, 2012, 04:59 PM
Mar 2012

Or, forgive the stereotype, ended up in landfill? NOBODY?

 

Fool Count

(1,230 posts)
5. How is it even legal or ethical for a government, whose decisions directly affect the prices
Fri Mar 16, 2012, 05:08 PM
Mar 2012

and payout conditions on derivative contracts to bet on the same contracts? If the government
(Italian taxpayers) didn't make money on that deal, someone sure as hell did. And it wasn't only
Morgan Stanley.

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