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jakeXT

(10,575 posts)
Tue Mar 25, 2014, 05:19 AM Mar 2014

Right Sector coordinator Muzychko killed in Ukraine's Rivne

Source: Interfax-Ukraine

Oleksandr Muzychko, also known as Sashko Bily, the coordinator of the Right Sector ultra-nationalistic group in western Ukraine, was killed in the city of Rivne last night, parliamentarian Oleksandr Doniy said on his Facebook page.

"I have just been told that Sashko Bily (Oleksandr Muzychko) was killed. Two vehicles cut up his car, after which he was dragged out of his car and forced into one of these vehicles. He was then thrown out of the vehicle handcuffed behind his back and with two gunshot wounds to his heart," Doniy said.

On March 7, the Russian Investigative Committee opened a criminal inquiry against Muzychko, who was suspected of involvement in acts of banditry targeting Russian federal forces in Chechnya in the 1990s.

Committee spokesman Vladimir Markin told Interfax that Muzychko was accused of "killing at least 20 soldiers of federal forces held in captivity."

Read more: http://www.kyivpost.com/content/ukraine/right-sector-coordinator-muzychko-killed-in-ukraines-rivne-340741.html



Notorious Ukrainian right-wing militant leader Aleksandr Muzychko, also known as Sashko Bilyi, has been shot dead during a police raid against his gang, confirmed Ukraine’s Ministry of Interior.

Muzychko was killed in Rovno, western Ukraine, where he coordinated actions of local groups belonging to the nationalist Right Sector movement, a national Ukrainian news media outlet reported.

...

The operation to arrest him took place in a village near Rovno, where the militant leader and three of his bodyguards, all of them armed, were in a local restaurant, called “The Three Crucians.”

An assault group from the Sokol special police task force stormed the restaurant to detain Muzychko and his henchmen. The militant leader made an attempt to flee through a window. He opened fire, and two of his bullets wounded a police officer, who returned fire and shot Muzychko in the leg. Other police officers shot in the air, Yevdokimov said.


http://rt.com/news/sashko-bily-dead-reports-013/
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Right Sector coordinator Muzychko killed in Ukraine's Rivne (Original Post) jakeXT Mar 2014 OP
Uh oh... Hell Hath No Fury Mar 2014 #1
I'd guess just the opposite. Daemonaquila Mar 2014 #9
Very Night of the Long Knives MosheFeingold Mar 2014 #35
Washington Post article OKNancy Mar 2014 #2
Top Ukraine nationalist killed in police operation dipsydoodle Mar 2014 #3
Reuters account and Dmytro Yarosh Catherina Mar 2014 #13
We will take revenge on Arsen Avakov....... dipsydoodle Mar 2014 #14
Worrisome. Video of children being taught to sing "Hang the Russians" Catherina Mar 2014 #15
Right Sector has been growing due to their association with Maidan newthinking Mar 2014 #23
I just posted that in a Yarosh post Catherina Mar 2014 #31
But I thought Duckhunter935 Mar 2014 #4
Remember Ernst Röhm? I wonder how many in Ukraine will believe he was killed by Russians jakeXT Mar 2014 #5
Because Ernst Rohm wasn't a RW thug himself? marble falls Mar 2014 #6
Röhm paved the way for Hitler with his SA mob soundsgreat Mar 2014 #43
Röhm was a right wing thug himself and Hitler got rid of him because he was afraid he might.... marble falls Mar 2014 #44
Night of the Long Knives rdharma Mar 2014 #7
I know, right? Daemonaquila Mar 2014 #8
History repats itself.... fNord Mar 2014 #10
How sad. GeorgeGist Mar 2014 #21
What are you talking about? Sashko Bily wasn't part of the interim government. rdharma Mar 2014 #20
That's how it goes. Igel Mar 2014 #36
Figure it out... JackRiddler Mar 2014 #45
Those are some dramatically different accounts. blackspade Mar 2014 #11
Video Catherina Mar 2014 #12
An additional video to add.. go west young man Mar 2014 #16
Here's another one to add Catherina Mar 2014 #19
Good riddance nyabingi Mar 2014 #17
MINA reports a fight Catherina Mar 2014 #18
Good for the interim government getting this guy. joshcryer Mar 2014 #22
Now they just need to deal with the other Right Sector Deputies and svoboda ministers newthinking Mar 2014 #24
Of course they will. joshcryer Mar 2014 #25
Well if Tim McVey's friends were assistant director of National Security and other executive newthinking Mar 2014 #26
We will see, those positions are temporary. joshcryer Mar 2014 #27
Your still kidding yourself Josh. go west young man Mar 2014 #32
It was peaceful for months! joshcryer Mar 2014 #34
You have that quite wrong Josh.. go west young man Mar 2014 #38
That is revisionist to the core, go west. joshcryer Mar 2014 #39
According to your own post.. go west young man Mar 2014 #40
OK, weeks. Or, if you count the days of protest, 55 days. joshcryer Mar 2014 #41
Man Josh, go west young man Mar 2014 #42
Now they say they only shot at police jakeXT Mar 2014 #49
Of course they won't...... or they would have done it already. nt rdharma Mar 2014 #28
McVey's militia is up in Alaska somewhere. joshcryer Mar 2014 #29
Well, then maybe you start your own thread on that off topic red herring..... nt rdharma Mar 2014 #30
Over 24 hours... joshcryer Mar 2014 #33
Who says it was the interim government? JackRiddler Mar 2014 #46
The article I read this afternoon in Korespondent had a 3rd variant. Igel Mar 2014 #37
So, um, which of these mutually exclusive stories? JackRiddler Mar 2014 #47
One should be able to determine if he was shot in the leg or not, but I couldn't find a good picture jakeXT Mar 2014 #48
 

Daemonaquila

(1,712 posts)
9. I'd guess just the opposite.
Tue Mar 25, 2014, 09:49 AM
Mar 2014

He had a "perception problem," so it was handled. I suspect there will be more coming - far right party members may be useful in knocking heads, but nobody there wants another Sergey Aksyonov.

MosheFeingold

(3,051 posts)
35. Very Night of the Long Knives
Tue Mar 25, 2014, 07:15 PM
Mar 2014

I can't figure out what is going on here, but it reeks of history repeating itself.

dipsydoodle

(42,239 posts)
3. Top Ukraine nationalist killed in police operation
Tue Mar 25, 2014, 06:24 AM
Mar 2014

KIEV, Ukraine (AP) -- Ukraine's Interior Ministry says a prominent member of a radical nationalist movement in Ukraine that played a key role in recent anti-government demonstrations was killed during a police operation to detain him.

Right Sector's Oleksandr Muzychko, better known by his nom de guerre Sashko Bily, had become a recurring figure in Russian attempts to portray Ukraine's interim government as dominated by radical nationalists. Moscow has cited the purported influence of groups like Right Sector to justify the absorption of Crimea.

Many in Ukraine downplay Right Sector's importance, however, and argue that it has negligible influence. Police say Muzychko was sought for organized crime links, hooliganism and for threatening public officials.

The Interior Ministry said Tuesday that Muzychko was shot dead after opening fire on police.

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/E/EU_UKRAINE?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2014-03-25-04-49-17

Catherina

(35,568 posts)
13. Reuters account and Dmytro Yarosh
Tue Mar 25, 2014, 11:27 AM
Mar 2014
....

The interior ministry said officers from the Sokol special unit had killed Oleksander Muzychko, also known as Sashko Bily, as he tried to escape from a cafe in the western Ukrainian region of Rivne on Monday night.

"At the moment of arrest, at shouts of 'Stop! Police!', Muzychko fled, jumping through a window and opened fire," the first deputy interior minister, Volodymyr Yevdokimov, told a news conference in Kiev. The officers returned fire, killing Muzychko, he said.

Muzychko was a member of the hardline Right Sector and the group's co-ordinator for western Ukraine, the country's nationalist heartland bordering the EU. Police said he was wanted for hooliganism and an attack on a local prosecutor.

...

The Right Sector leader Dmytro Yarosh has said he plans to run for president in elections on 25 May, but he is a rank outsider.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/mar/25/ukrainian-far-right-activist-shot-dead


Muzychko killing: Ultra-nationalist mastermind demands cops’ arrest, Interior Minister’s dismissal

Dmitry Yarosh, leader of Ukraine's Right Sector nationalist party, is demanding the resignation of acting Interior Minister Arsen Avakov and the arrest of police officers involved in the killing of notorious radical militant Aleksandr Muzychko.

"We cannot watch silently as the Interior Ministry works to undermine the revolution," Interfax reported Yarosh as saying. “We demand the immediate resignation of the Interior Minister Arsen Avakov, and the arrest of the commander of the Sokol Special Forces and those guilty of [Muzychko’s] murder."

...

Right Sector leaders threatened Avakov with revenge, though they did not specify exactly what they would do.

“We will take revenge on Arsen Avakov for the death of our brother,” said Roman Koval, the Right Sector organizer in Rovno, charivne.info news portal reported.

...

http://rt.com/news/yarosh-nationalist-resign-killing-157/


Yarosh, head of Right Sector, is the deputy secretary of the Security and Defence Council.

dipsydoodle

(42,239 posts)
14. We will take revenge on Arsen Avakov.......
Tue Mar 25, 2014, 11:42 AM
Mar 2014

I think it likely they will do more than creep up behind him and say "Boo" !

His name makes me laugh. Reminds me of Arsene Lupin whose name at one time was translated as "sat on a pin"

Catherina

(35,568 posts)
15. Worrisome. Video of children being taught to sing "Hang the Russians"
Tue Mar 25, 2014, 12:07 PM
Mar 2014



You gotta love how the media's slipping. First there was no hard right among the Maidan rioters, and it was an impeachment. Now it's "A prominent Ukrainian far-right activist, part of a hardline nationalist movement that played a leading role in the overthrow of President Viktor Yanukovych."

So much for not being a fascist led coup.

Trying to distance themselves before the bloodbath are they?

Paging Arsene Lupin

newthinking

(3,982 posts)
23. Right Sector has been growing due to their association with Maidan
Tue Mar 25, 2014, 02:42 PM
Mar 2014

They have a recruiting video

Here is there PR video - Chilling

Catherina

(35,568 posts)
31. I just posted that in a Yarosh post
Tue Mar 25, 2014, 05:46 PM
Mar 2014

I just posted that same video here. It's one of their tamer videos too.

"'We are against degeneracy and totalitarian liberalism, but we support traditional morals and family values, against the cult of profit and depravity.'" I give you two guesses what Yarosh means here when he talks about fighting "degeneracy" and "depravity" right after "traditional national morality and family values". It's just the beginning of the revival huh?

Chilling.

jakeXT

(10,575 posts)
5. Remember Ernst Röhm? I wonder how many in Ukraine will believe he was killed by Russians
Tue Mar 25, 2014, 06:45 AM
Mar 2014
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ernst_R%C3%B6hm


Vse and another Rivne website, ChaRivne, said that townspeople believed that Muzychko had been gunned down by a "Russian subversive group."

Crime scene photos published by Ukrainian news agencies showed a body in a torn-up jacket and shirt lying on the ground.

http://www.themoscowtimes.com/news/article/ultranationalist-leader-in-maidan-protests-is-shot-dead-in-ukraine-video/496788.html
 

soundsgreat

(125 posts)
43. Röhm paved the way for Hitler with his SA mob
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 01:22 PM
Mar 2014

after Hitler achieved power, he liquidated his powerful competitor.

Looks pretty similar to what happened to Musychko. The comparison is appropriate.

marble falls

(57,145 posts)
44. Röhm was a right wing thug himself and Hitler got rid of him because he was afraid he might....
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 07:57 PM
Mar 2014

lose control of the Brownshirts.

 

rdharma

(6,057 posts)
7. Night of the Long Knives
Tue Mar 25, 2014, 08:45 AM
Mar 2014

Who could have seen this coming?

Isn't it strange how history repeats itself?

fNord

(1,756 posts)
10. History repats itself....
Tue Mar 25, 2014, 09:54 AM
Mar 2014

The way the whole world is watching this and saing "Wow, this looks like the last time Puttin just claimed some land for Mother Russia! And we just sat back and watched like it was shark week."
"Wow look at that!" We said, not even considering the irony.

I'll tell you who saw this comming.
He saw, and he paid the price for realizing bits of there plan. In an unrelenting world, where truth is a more rare commodity than an American named "John Doe," This vilified "bastard" told it all, and didn't even hide his Real Face. Really. Just listen to "Bring Back the Bomb" and ask yourself if you truely thought this wasn't "inevitable."

He is Saint Oderus Urungus,
Or,
Recently,
The late: Dave Brockie

Poor bastard. He's going to mis the next Cold War. Not a lot, but he's gonna mis it. Not by a lot either.

But we won't.

We all got front row tickets. And since we paid a hell of a lot for 'em, I'd advise lots of sunscreen and naps.

Glucklicht Nur Aus Tut

Hail Eris,
All Hail Discordia


 

rdharma

(6,057 posts)
20. What are you talking about? Sashko Bily wasn't part of the interim government.
Tue Mar 25, 2014, 01:15 PM
Mar 2014

I guess they took ol' Sashko's challenge to come and take his AK-47 very seriously.

μολὼν λαβέ, y'all!

Igel

(35,337 posts)
36. That's how it goes.
Tue Mar 25, 2014, 07:43 PM
Mar 2014

Like the post upstream that says the media said there were "no extremists" on the Maidan.

It's essential for there to be two extreme poles in this dispute, the forces of Right and Good and the forces of fascist hate and evil. If you're not with them you're against them, and it's impossible for a crowd to be diverse.

Ukraine will have to deal with the far-right, which isn't an uncommon occurrence in general in revolutions. You find common ground in opposition. Then, afterwards, you have to decide what to do. (Some find the differences dividing them to be even greater than opposition to armed invasion and annexion, arrest of dissidents and quelling of free speech, imperialism and opposition. And they call others extreme.)

 

JackRiddler

(24,979 posts)
45. Figure it out...
Thu Mar 27, 2014, 11:44 AM
Mar 2014

Factional conflicts are frequently seen in post coup situations, but perhaps more relevant here is that Right Sector is accused of murdering police - captive police, apparently - in the Maidan. And who says the elements of the old regime have been altogether disempowered? It's a complicated situation, clearly.

 

go west young man

(4,856 posts)
16. An additional video to add..
Tue Mar 25, 2014, 12:15 PM
Mar 2014

This one was of him assaulting a minister...taken before his death. (of course)

nyabingi

(1,145 posts)
17. Good riddance
Tue Mar 25, 2014, 12:17 PM
Mar 2014

The brutish, neo-Nazi thug apparently went down in a blaze a glory just as he would've wanted to - I have no tears to shed for scumbags like this guy and may the rest of his "comrades" meet the same fate.

Catherina

(35,568 posts)
18. MINA reports a fight
Tue Mar 25, 2014, 12:33 PM
Mar 2014
According to preliminary reports, a conflict sparked up between several groups of people at the cafe. Then, the conflict continued outside and resulted in shooting Muzychko dead. He was presumably killed from a submachine-gun. Criminal experts who have worked at the murder scene have found several gunshot wounds in his body, one bullet hitting the leg and others the body.

http://macedoniaonline.eu/content/view/24957/53/

joshcryer

(62,276 posts)
22. Good for the interim government getting this guy.
Tue Mar 25, 2014, 02:35 PM
Mar 2014

It's laughable how people are saying this is image management...

newthinking

(3,982 posts)
24. Now they just need to deal with the other Right Sector Deputies and svoboda ministers
Tue Mar 25, 2014, 02:50 PM
Mar 2014

But will they? That is the big question...

joshcryer

(62,276 posts)
25. Of course they will.
Tue Mar 25, 2014, 03:42 PM
Mar 2014

It's like asking if the USA would go after whatever militia groups that are out there committing violence. Like Tim McVey, etc.

These far right groups are just a boogie man.

newthinking

(3,982 posts)
26. Well if Tim McVey's friends were assistant director of National Security and other executive
Tue Mar 25, 2014, 04:00 PM
Mar 2014

positions, that would be a more complete analogy. So there definitely is a question how dedicated the admin in Ukraine is to removing the neo-nazi's, or how afraid they are of the far right.

joshcryer

(62,276 posts)
27. We will see, those positions are temporary.
Tue Mar 25, 2014, 04:39 PM
Mar 2014

They were chosen to appease the protesters, only four of the cabinet members that I saw had a really bad background. I think the far right elements gained traction because liberals didn't recognize Maidan as a popular movement, but out most certainly was. If you leave a vacuum someone will fill it.

The hope should be that Valiti wins the elections, and it's doubtful the makeup of the cabinet will include any of the current members. The acting PM even said it was a suicide cabinet. However, if the oligarch wins Ukraine is doomed.

 

go west young man

(4,856 posts)
32. Your still kidding yourself Josh.
Tue Mar 25, 2014, 06:10 PM
Mar 2014

Last edited Tue Mar 25, 2014, 07:03 PM - Edit history (2)

That level of violence didn't come from a 'popular movement". A Popular movement would encompass everybody and be much more peaceful. That level of violence came from the far right who led the protests from the get go back in November. We on the hard left here at DU have been telling you this from the beginning. They were always neo-nazi's, soccer hooligans, street thugs...they gained some traction over time and centrists from the West of Ukraine started to show up to the protests. Of course $50 a day from some unknown sources was good incentive too...right around the time Victoria Nulland was handing out cookies.

Groups of those centrists were then slaughtered by snipers of that very same right wing movement in order to create an excuse to draw the EU and US in. It worked but now Frankensteins Monster can't be put back in the bottle...this killing is obviously an attempt to reel it in...but it dominates the political climate there and probably things will get a lot worse before they get better.

The stunning silence from the Western media on many of these goings ons speaks volumes. The BBC reported that the radical protesters were sniping their own people and not a peep was made in the United States. Once again here is the video evidence. To interested readers: fast forward to the 2:40 mark. The BBC reporter points out the snipers window. Prior to this the sniper had shot close to the BBC reporter.

Ukraines Grassy knoll
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024616147

The hard right sector and their role in all this has also been largely ignored but he mainstream US press. The Nation magazine did cover the issue as did various left leaning sites but the MSM was silent. Why would that be? Because it didn't fit the narrative...that's why. Which shows our complicit role in all this. The crime of omission speaks of the crime itself.

 

go west young man

(4,856 posts)
38. You have that quite wrong Josh..
Tue Mar 25, 2014, 07:58 PM
Mar 2014

it was extremely violent in early November when the protests began...it calmed down in mid December then in January it erupted again...it seemed centrist for a couple of weeks in late January then it blew up in the final month once again driven by the far right most violent elements. There's plenty of video at Liveleak with all the dates included when submitted. The videos don't lie...this was always a very violent overthrow.


http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=902_1390172999
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=4c3_1393416533
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=9aa_1390153336

I've included one additional video of what the radical neo-nazi protesters were like before they put on masks. It may surprise you. This was back in September before there was a protest movement. This is what they got up to. http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=502_1379345113

joshcryer

(62,276 posts)
39. That is revisionist to the core, go west.
Tue Mar 25, 2014, 11:41 PM
Mar 2014
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_the_Euromaidan

The police dispersed them near the end of November. The protesters fought back, defending themselves against police repression, on 1st of December. It was calm thereafter. It wasn't until the Jan 16 anti-protest law was illegally passed that things got tense again and the Maidan protesters started building barricades and arming themselves with medieval era type implements (certainly no heavy guns).

Had there been no crackdown we'd still be watching a video feed of people standing around in the cold smoking... but Crimea probably wouldn't have been annexed. I wouldn't be surprised if we find out in the end that Right Sector was being paid to instigate by Russian elements.
 

go west young man

(4,856 posts)
40. According to your own post..
Tue Mar 25, 2014, 11:51 PM
Mar 2014

I count 47 days between Dec. 1 and Jan. 16. That is not peaceful for months. That is peaceful for 1 months and a half. Even then it wasn't very peaceful. And the early protests were incredibly violent with incendiary petrol bombs being thrown at police who seemed to be showing restraint. People can decide for themselves as there is plenty of video evidence out there on which factions were demonstrating the most violence.

As for your theory that Russia is behind the Far right groups....that sounds a bit tin foil. Especially in light of the fact the hard right wingers were throwing out the pro Russian government.

joshcryer

(62,276 posts)
41. OK, weeks. Or, if you count the days of protest, 55 days.
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 12:00 AM
Mar 2014

55 days of peace. 1 day of mass rioting. And actually it makes perfect sense for fascist Russians to hire elements, it's called PSYOPS, CONTELPRO. The anti-protest laws were drafted by Kremlin friendly parliament people and were very similar to the kinds of laws Putin put into effect in Russia after the Russian election protests. Interestingly in the Russian protests United Russian thugs were sent in to crack down on those protesters. So there is no reason to think Russia wouldn't do that, it makes more sense for Russia to instigate in that way.

 

go west young man

(4,856 posts)
42. Man Josh,
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 10:55 AM
Mar 2014

your giving those Right Sector guys a lot of credit! With your theory they were were apparently brilliant enough to be able to get $5 billion from the US and NATO..all the while, while working for the Russian government.

jakeXT

(10,575 posts)
49. Now they say they only shot at police
Thu Mar 27, 2014, 02:55 PM
Mar 2014


Sniper duels on the Maidan
When Fria Tider asked Skillt about rumors that the Ukrainian opposition itself may have been behind the shootings of protestors on the Maidan, he says that he is aware of them, but puts no stock in them. However, he said he has spoken to two people who sniped at the police on the Maidan Square during the riots. “They used Saiga semi-automatic rifles equipped with telescopic sights, and were positioned on the third floor of the Trade Unions Building on Maidan Square,” Skillt said. ”Their mission was to take out Berkut’s snipers,” he added.

He also told us that he recently ran into a man in an American uniform, carrying an American-made rifle. “It was a bit odd, but it turned out he was Ukrainian,” Skillt said. “He had a modified, short-barrel M-16 with a telescopic sight. We said a quick hello.”

http://www.friatider.se/swede-patrols-ukraines-streets-with-right-wing-paramilitaries

joshcryer

(62,276 posts)
29. McVey's militia is up in Alaska somewhere.
Tue Mar 25, 2014, 04:53 PM
Mar 2014

Why aren't they and anyone who promulgates the Turner Diaries under arrest? The USA has no moral superiority here. Nor does Russia for that matter. That attack on the flash mob in Russia has gone quietly ignored here...

 

JackRiddler

(24,979 posts)
46. Who says it was the interim government?
Thu Mar 27, 2014, 11:48 AM
Mar 2014

According to story A, it was a death squad assassination.

According to story B, it was riot police - of the same police forces that accuse the Ukrainian Nazi of murdering 20 captive police officers during the Maidan riots, at the time when the police were still working for the legitimately elected government of Yanukovich.

According to you - quick to convert anything into your line of the day - it's the "interim government" that gets the credit. As if anything's clear in this situation of chaos following the coup (backed by the U.S.).

Igel

(35,337 posts)
37. The article I read this afternoon in Korespondent had a 3rd variant.
Tue Mar 25, 2014, 07:44 PM
Mar 2014

The fatal wounds were self-inflicted.

 

JackRiddler

(24,979 posts)
47. So, um, which of these mutually exclusive stories?
Thu Mar 27, 2014, 11:49 AM
Mar 2014

I guess things are chaotic now, eh, but at least in this one case the right fugitive murderer was hit. Nevertheless... disturbing!

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