Occupy Wall Street protester Cecily McMillan sentenced to 90 days for assaulting cop
Source: Reuters
By Reuters
Monday, May 19, 2014 13:37 EDT
By Ellen Wulfhorst
NEW YORK (Reuters) An Occupy Wall Street protester convicted of assaulting a police officer during a demonstration two years ago was sentenced on Monday to a 90-day jail term.
A New York jury on May 5 found Cecily McMillan guilty of elbowing a police officer, Grantley Bovell, in the eye as he was attempting to arrest her.
McMillan, 25, was arrested along with scores of others on March 17, 2012 at a demonstration marking the protest movements six-month anniversary in New York City.
While thousands of people were arrested during Occupy protests in 2011 and 2012, most of those cases were dismissed, some were resolved out of court and just 67 have gone to trial.
Read more: http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/05/19/occupy-wall-street-protester-cecily-mcmillan-sentenced-to-90-days-for-assaulting-cop/
951-Riverside
(7,234 posts)snooper2
(30,151 posts)Next time you see a cop on the sidewalk walk up and cross check him in the neck.
Let us know what happens (when you have access to the intertubes again that is )
NutmegYankee
(16,199 posts)The prosecutor claimed she was making up her sexual assault/groping defense and faked her injury. Talk about disgusting and unethical behavior!
The word of a Pacifist vs. NYPD. Gosh that's a real hard one on who to believe...
randome
(34,845 posts)Her story kept changing and the jury didn't buy it. It really is as simple as that.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]The truth doesnt always set you free.
Sometimes it builds a bigger cage around the one youre already in.[/center][/font][hr]
NutmegYankee
(16,199 posts)That the man committing the groping was a cop makes it even more disgusting.
Pervert grabs breast, woman responds to defend herself. It's really as simple as that.
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alp227
(32,025 posts)especially since the JURY pled for leniency!
secondwind
(16,903 posts)DRoseDARs
(6,810 posts)Juries: The dumbest people deciding your fate.
msanthrope
(37,549 posts)Ash_F
(5,861 posts)Is that how a man should control a smaller woman? NOPE.
Does that position give someone good leverage on a person? NOPE.
Does that position give a man an easy opportunity to squeeze someone's breast? YES.
Does any police agency train officers to hold people like that? NOPE and here is why:
The same officer has a long history of violence and is now being taken to court by other people who claim he assaulted them.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/apr/04/nypd-officer-lawsuit-bovell-guest-mcmillan-occupy
The protester, Austin Guest, alleges that Bovell dragged him down the aisle of a bus while intentionally banging his head on each seat.
msanthrope
(37,549 posts)She also claimed to have been in favor of acquitting McMillan, but later voted to convict when she began to feel that doing otherwise was "a losing battle." The juror added that while two other people on the jury had also initially sided with McMillan, they switched to the majority opinion after rewatching the grainy footage of her hitting Bovell. That account seemed to confirm what McMillan's attorney, Martin Stolar, said about the video after the conviction. "I think that is the only piece of evidence that a jury could hang its hat on," he said, before again arguing that it didn't tell the whole story.
http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2014/05/juror-talks-about-cecily-mcmillans-conviction.html
I merely note to you that regardless of how you feel about the verdict, it is a sound one, based on video evidence. It takes a very skilled defense attorney to refute video.
Ash_F
(5,861 posts)The guy is a predator who needs to be off the streets and registered as a sex offender. He has a multitude of victims and there will only be more until that happens.
They are appealing the case and I wish them the best.
Hope NYPD at least fires him over the other case so he stops costing New York taxpayers' money. At least if he is not a cop, then he might actually go to prison for his future assaults.
msanthrope
(37,549 posts)to you that the jury did find her guilty because they watched the video and that video did not support her account.
Her attorney would be a feckin' idjit to appeal this sentence.
Ash_F
(5,861 posts)Elbowing is a self-defense technique that is taught in many women's self-defense classes. If elbowing him stopped the squeezing, which was enough to burst the capillaries of her breast, for even one second, then I don't see anything wrong with that.
Do you see anything wrong with that? If resistance can prevent painful ongoing sexual assault, even if it can only prevent it for a short time until the larger person overpowers the victim, do you think that is wrong?
The case is being appealed because evidence was withheld form the start. The cop's past assaults and indiscretions were deemed immaterial. This is wrong, it is very material. The judge made a mistake. He seems like a 'good old boy' protecting one of his own. Hopefully the appeals court has better judges.
msanthrope
(37,549 posts)the jury. The jury did not buy her version of events, and they are the fact-finders.
As for myself, I make no judgment on what the video shows...I'm merely pointing out to you that a jury simply did not buy her version of events after that video.
As for an appeal, I will tell you that it is my legal opinion that her attorneys would be foolish....extremely foolish....to disturb this verdict/sentence.
Ash_F
(5,861 posts)We know that this is an improper hold in the first place. He should have held her from the shoulder if he wanted to escort her.
The viewpoint is too far away to tell if he was squeezing her, but the bruise matches perfectly with a right hand from behind, with finger marks pointed towards her sternum. The video does show that is where his hand was positioned.
An appeal on the grounds that the officer's previous history of violence, dishonesty and breach of protocol is material and should be brought up.
msanthrope
(37,549 posts)"This is not someone who would be too shy to say she was sexually assaulted, if she was sexually assaulted," Choi said.
The prosecution's case had also relied heavily on McMillan's medical records, which did not mention a bruise on her breast and didn't diagnose her as having suffered a seizure in the park (bystanders saw McMillan having what looked like a seizure; she testified during the trial that her doctors told her they wouldn't be able to diagnose a seizure after the fact). Choi said the seizure was a fake, calling it "the performance of a lifetime." (She also implied, but did not say outright, that McMillan had also faked breathing problems after she was arrested in December of 2013 in an unrelated misdemeanor. We have obtained a copy of the complaint in that case. It doesn't say how McMillan was taken into custody or whether she complained of breathing issues.)
McMillan also told one doctor shortly after the arrest that she wasn't in serious pain, but told another doctor two days later that her pain was a 10, the worst kind. "This defendant is not reliable and cannot keep her story straight," Choi said. She added that the first time McMillan's bruised breast was noted by a doctor was three days after the incident, when McMillan saw her own doctor at the Institute of Family Health. The prosecutor implied that McMillan had bruised her own breast. For Bovell to have grabbed her hard enough to leave a bruise and scratches, she said, he would have to have "razorblades as fingernails and a hot iron for a hand."
http://blogs.villagevoice.com/runninscared/2014/05/cecily_mcmillan_verdict_occupy_wall_street_protester_erin_choi.php?page=2
It seems that the prosecution was effective in refuting her claims. While I have no interest in defending that particular officer, I think the defense made several tactical errors. It would be foolhardy of them to appeal.
Ash_F
(5,861 posts)Already the jury is showing remorse and regret.
The motor bike incident showed that he would disregard his training and do things his own way.
The separate head bashing and stomping incidents showed that he can be tempted to sadistically hurt people if he thinks he can do it in a sly way and get away without being noticed by other parties.
The ticketing scandal showed that he is willing to abuse his authority to get what he wants.
All of these incidents show a pattern of behavior that fits in perfectly with the allegation that he abused his authority by disregarding his training(improper holding technique) to put himself in position to sadistically squeeze a woman's breast from behind because he slyly thought no one else would notice.
The defense was not allowed to make this argument. They should have. I hope the appeal succeeds. It would be a victory for women's rights and an admonition of victim blaming.
msanthrope
(37,549 posts)As for other incidents, they may not have been relevant to the incident in question--my understanding from the dirt bike incident is that while he was a named defendant along with others, he was not the driver of the car, and therefore, that incident may be too attenuated to be relevant. Further--that lawsuit was dismissed.
As for the other Occupy lawsuit, again...the lack of a sworn affidavit by Mr. Guest, as opposed to the hearsay offered, would keep that out. That's sloppy defense work.
Appealing on the 50-(4)a denial would be foolhardy because I don't see the judge abusing his discretion there.
Ash_F
(5,861 posts)msanthrope
(37,549 posts)do so.
Of course, she was drunk, and does not recall the altercation, so I don't know where that's going to go.
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/05/01/nyregion/protester-says-she-doesnt-recall-striking-a-police-officer.html?_r=0
What did you expect the judge to do? Fire the officer?
Ash_F
(5,861 posts)But only because the system is inhabited with people who don't belong there.
The officer, the police chief, the DA, and the judge are not worthy of their positions. It is our duty as citizens to ensure that people like this do not come to power.
msanthrope
(37,549 posts)protestors and support managed to get away with only 90 days for assaulting a cop while drunk.
I WISH as much outcry ever happened for one of my indigent, minority clients.
Ash_F
(5,861 posts)You never answered my question from earlier. You do think that a woman should be able to resist an ongoing sexual attack?
msanthrope
(37,549 posts)Your first question seems to be:
Really? Do you really think I'm going to tell you that a woman has no right to resist an ongoing sexual attack? Come on now.
Your second question, albeit unwritten, seems to be "Was Cecily McMillian sexually assaulted?"
The jury seemed to not think so....or, more specifically, they seem to have taken the evidence presented and still found her guilty, and it is possible for them to do so, without ever resolving whether or not Ms. McMillian was sexually assaulted.
A point of law, though.....touching someone's breast is not necessarily a 'sexual' assault, nor an 'assault.'
Ash_F
(5,861 posts)Way to blame the victim. Sexual violence against women is a serious problem and the only thing you have been right about is that minority women have it worse. This case is important in a women's rights context. As a society we must give a clear message that sexual abuse is not ok.
Look I see where and with who you stand. I am comfortable with the people I stand by.
Pussy Riot Visits Jailed Occupy Protester Cecily McMillan At Rikers Island
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/05/09/pussy-riot-cecily-mcmillan_n_5297932.html
Editors Dont Belong in Courtrooms, and Cecily McMillan Doesnt Belong in Prison
http://www.thenation.com/article/179768/editors-dont-belong-courtrooms-and-cecily-mcmillan-doesnt-belong-prison#
msanthrope
(37,549 posts)simply bought the prosecutor's argument that the injuries were self-inflicted, or, they decided that regardless of the bruising, McMillian was still guilty of assault of the cop.
I'm not arguing with you that sexual violence is a problem. I'm merely pointing out to you that the jury came to a verdict, and it seems to be a verdict supported by the evidence. Doesn't mean I agree with the verdict, but I certainly can see how it was arrived at.
Ash_F
(5,861 posts)They were not informed of everything they should have been informed of. The officer's character could not be more relevant.
Whether or not the appeal succeeds rests on who sits on that court. I don't know who it will be. If it is a bunch of good ole boys who love protecting rapists, it will be hard. If it is with people who have any sense of justice and gender equality, then they have a good chance.
msanthrope
(37,549 posts)sentence.
As to character, you will note that the ticket scandal was presented to the jury.
I don't think they are appealing.
Ash_F
(5,861 posts)I think the jury does regret the verdict, most of it anyway. And will especially moreso as they learn about the man they sided with.
Hopefully he can be stopped before he claims another victim. People like that don't stop on their own.
msanthrope
(37,549 posts)a bail pending appeal motion. Principles aside, I think it would be malpractice to tell a client to give up a 90-day sentence on this.
Ash_F
(5,861 posts)She has already began social organizing from prison
http://approachingjustice.net/2014/05/15/cecily-mcmillan-writes-aboutrikers-justice4cecily-occupy/
Just like Pussy Riot. Her spirit has not been broken. Good for her.
msanthrope
(37,549 posts)Ash_F
(5,861 posts)That is a bummer.
Well at least 2 of the pubs are women, so that is something.
This is why governor's elections are so important.
24601
(3,962 posts)not guilty until a jury says so?
When did DU adopt the standard of guilty until proven otherwise?
Ash_F
(5,861 posts)Therefore it was not a fair trial. They even showed severe remorse afterwards.
I encourage you read further down the sub-thread and the provided links because you don't sound like you know what you are talking about.
24601
(3,962 posts)Regardless of her trial, he remains not guilty.
And you're wrong, I have read the thread. I've tired of "the cop must automatically be guilty of all accusations".
Calling him a brutal sexual accuser is at this point an unproven allegation. The constitution applies even to police.
Ash_F
(5,861 posts)Does it please you that it will be a majority Republican court? They are fairly pro-rape.
24601
(3,962 posts)judges who will hear her appeal. The will rule based on the law rather than hear the case de novo.
Ash_F
(5,861 posts)treestar
(82,383 posts)It happens all the time. But registered as a sex offender? Sheesh.
Ash_F
(5,861 posts)Disgusting that you would condone such an attack. Typical, but disgusting.
treestar
(82,383 posts)He did not intentionally squeeze her breast. If it happened in the incident, it wasn't due to him intentionally doing that to her. He wasn't even charged with that. You've lost all objectivity somehow. And ought to take back what you said about me personally.
Ash_F
(5,861 posts)Do you think juries always get it right?
Do you think juries always receive all relevant evidence?
Another poster pointed out to you the case of Trayvan Martin. You should know better.
You are making excuses for a sexual predator. What kind of response do you feel you are entitled to?
randys1
(16,286 posts)And if that is the case she should receive some punishment, 90 days is plenty
But should not spend a single day in jail until George W Bush, Dick Cheney and the rest are in prison for murder...
It is that simple.
msanthrope
(37,549 posts)90 days...she's damned lucky.
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/05/01/nyregion/protester-says-she-doesnt-recall-striking-a-police-officer.html?_r=0
randys1
(16,286 posts)msanthrope
(37,549 posts)claiming that because Bush and Cheney roam free, they should be unaccountable?
randys1
(16,286 posts)You see unless justice is everywhere it is nowhere.
treestar
(82,383 posts)lol.
24601
(3,962 posts)same bus?
randys1
(16,286 posts)treestar
(82,383 posts)Which some DUers seem not to get. The fact question was decided against her by the jury. Some people seem to believe the cop is always in the wrong, even if the jury decides otherwise.
msanthrope
(37,549 posts)blkmusclmachine
(16,149 posts)warrprayer
(4,734 posts)"undercover cop"
for those who didn't know.
Mister Ed
(5,934 posts)I can't see from the video how she could have known he was a cop when he grabbed her.
christx30
(6,241 posts)and she looks like she's in distress, I run over and punch her attacker to stop the attack, I'm either a hero that may have stopped a rape, or I just assaulted an officer, and I'm going to jail. There's no way to know.
What if it wasn't this woman that elbowed him? What if a good Samaritan had beaten this guy to a bloody pulp before he revealed himself to be a cop? Would he be going to jail for 6 or 7 years for trying to help her? Would that cause the next person to hesitate in helping someone in this kind of case?
Hissyspit
(45,788 posts)Love the apologists here.
I watched those raids live (at night, of course) and haven't forgotten what was done.
randys1
(16,286 posts)One day, maybe, the right wing morons will figure this out
Fantastic Anarchist
(7,309 posts)Yet receive no punishment.
This country is disgusting.
randys1
(16,286 posts)Ash_F
(5,861 posts)Last edited Tue May 20, 2014, 07:48 PM - Edit history (1)
Pissed that there is a Black President(their boss), more women in congress(bosses) and more equal rights for gays. They see the country changing culturally from their own ideal and they can't handle it.
Not everyone in the Fed is like that. But enough that they have a lot of power over how decisions are made.
So they gave Bundy a pass. They were already sympathetic. If Bundy were the color of some of his Native American neighbors, they would have lost their minds overreacting to him.
They would have blown his brains out long ago.
And yes that is injustice. This is why democratic involved in government is so important. So people like the judge in this case, and the bigots in the Federal government don't come to power.
Ash_F
(5,861 posts)Ash_F
(5,861 posts)The sentencing of Cecily McMillan has elicited an array of deeply felt responses from a broad range of individuals and communities, and it has also created a moment to think about what solidarity means.For many of us who consider ourselves to be part of the Occupy movement, theres first and foremost a simple and deep sadness for a member of our community who has endured a painful and demeaning physical and sexual assault, and now has had her freedom taken away from her. And its painfully clear to us that Cecilys case is not special. Sexual violence against women is disturbingly common, and there is a tremendous amount of over-policing and prosecutorial overreach by the police and the courts, enacted predominantly upon black and brown populations every single day, generation after generation.
JackRiddler
(24,979 posts)That's the worse punishment: Five years under state control, reporting to a P.O., muzzled, in constant fear of being violated.
A cop assaulted her from behind, she reacted naturally by elbowing him and running away.
Disgusting system.
NutmegYankee
(16,199 posts)will leave her with Second class citizenship for the rest of her life. Less rights, fewer job opportunities. All because she defended herself from a groping.
Jamastiene
(38,187 posts)manhandled her? She should not have been charged at all. It was self defense. I don't care what anyone says. That was clearly a case of self defense.
Sunlei
(22,651 posts)She had a right to defend herself.
treestar
(82,383 posts)The jury convicted her. They found she assaulted him.
NutmegYankee
(16,199 posts)Juries can be wrong.
NealK
(1,869 posts)treestar
(82,383 posts)Or in this case, want the cop to be the one in the wrong. There are some people who cannot even consider the idea the cop might be in the wrong. Especially in an Occupy situation.
yurbud
(39,405 posts)yurbud
(39,405 posts)If that paperwork got in the pipe, her sentence might magically disappear.
nilesobek
(1,423 posts)he actually damaged her in a violent sexual assault. The only reason imo she was charged is because he was a cop. I doubt he was damaged as bad by her elbow. Its too bad she didn't respond like "Rowdy," Rhonda Rousey, the UFC fighter and break his groping arm.
Niceguy1
(2,467 posts)BeyondGeography
(39,374 posts)The jury comes off as reasonable; 9 of 12 said no jail time. I agree with them.