22 shot in Chicago over 12 hours, including girl, 11, killed at sleepover
Source: Chicago Tribune
Shamiya Adams was sitting on a bedroom floor in her best friend's home, making s'mores after an evening of practicing a dance routine, when the shot ripped through the house in Garfield Park.
The bullet crashed through the wall of the bedroom and struck the 11-year-old in the head. She was rushed to Mount Sinai Hospital, where family kept an overnight vigil until the girl was pronounced dead at 7:33 a.m. today.
"They came out and told us she wasn't going to make it," Shamiya's grandmother said. "Oh, my God."
As the night wore on, about 40 people joined hands outside the hospital, forming a circle and praying.
Read more: http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/chi-chicago-shootings-violence-girl-killed-on-west-side-20140718,0,7102175.story
Tetris_Iguana
(501 posts)The outlaws will learn it's bad to fire guns in a densely crowded residential area.
Or maybe Chicago could actually cure the source of what would make someone commit the crime in the first place.
My money is on more antigun slacktivism cause real solutions are hard to do and don't fit in a soundbite.
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JI7
(89,252 posts)But yet gun control is the only aspect Chicago politicians take theoretically meaningful action on.
The rest of it (combination of economic desperation, poor education, drug market, etc) is merely given lip service and maybe a brief street protest.
kylie5432
(34 posts)There is something called personal responsibility and parenting. If both are lacking, kids will go bad. I'm not excusing poverty and I think we need more New Deal type programs but being poor and shooting someone don't go hand in hand.
Tetris_Iguana
(501 posts)I agree and edited my post for clarity.
AngryAmish
(25,704 posts)Inkfreak
(1,695 posts)Parenting certainly plays a part but I dislike when people claim that as the biggest reason. A horrible support system for those in need surely contributes.
happyslug
(14,779 posts)For those people unfamiliar with the "Man in the House" rule, it was a rule of welfare that a family that the Father was still living with could NOT get on welfare for they had an adult male who would work and therefore the family was NOT entitled to welfare.
http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Man-in-the-House+Rule
While technically the rule was struck down in 1968 by the US Supreme Court, that case only involved a male who was NOT the parent of the children in the household. Male Parents were still grounds to deny a family welfare if the Father lived with the Children. In the 1970s and into the 1980s the courts slowly e ended the "Man in the House" rule, but it kept coming back via State Legislatures. The Later cases all said it was a violation of the Equal Protection Clause of the 14th amendment to treat children differently depending on whether they father lived with them or not.
Senator Moniyhan, before he was a Senator, wrote about the "Man in the House" rule and how it was destroying African American Families, for many African American males of the 1950s were of the last hired, first fired group of employees. Thus African American males had longer periods of unemployment then did whites, and often were unemployed way pass the six month unemployment insurance period (if they were eligible for unemployment in the first place). Thus a lot of African American and poor whites who were in the same economic group (Last hired, First fired) ended up on welfare and quickly found out they children were eligible for Welfare IF THEY MOVED OUT OF THE HOUSE. The Supreme Court ruling of 1968 took many years to be enforced in most states (I knew several WHITE families whose husband left the household every time welfare workers were scheduled to show up at their family's home and that was the late 1960s, early 1970s).
Sorry, a lot of males learned that they families were better off without them, if they did not have a job, as they grew up in the 1950s, 1960s and even the 1970s (and in some cases, even if they have a job, they children were better off economically without them).
Now, the above was NOT true of the Father had a full time job, but I am discussing your typical person of welfare, someone who is technically employable, but given a choose between him and almost anyone else, you opt to hire the other person. Thus I call them "Last hired, first fired".
Even today, while the Man in the House Rule is NO longer the law, you will see welfare rules that tries to do the same thing without saying an adult male can NOT be in the house. Even welfare workers see such men as parasites and will cut them off (and their families) welfare faster then a single Mother with children.
THE OTHER MAJOR PROBLEM is where jobs are for low income people. Most are shift work at low pay. Thus men and women often end up getting jobs where they rarely see each other to interact as a family and often end up with jobs so far apart one has to leave to minimize cost of transportation do to employment (Most jobs are in the suburbs, and if you do not have a car, and many of the people I am discussing do not for they can NOT afford one, getting to work can be a problem, often requires going to some city center by bus and then to the suburbs by bus. One way to cut costs is to move so that you are on the same bus lines as your job. Often with a husband and wife they can NOT be on the same bus lines for their jobs are on different bus lines. This drives them even further apart.
Yes, a lot of Fathers abandon their children, but in many cases (and I believe it is most cases) it is economics that drives the Father out. It is easier for a Male to get a job where he does NOT have show up not dressed to a T (i.e. construction, night janitor work etc as opposes to women who end up in a lot of retail jobs) and as such easier to live in a low rent house since they do not have children for CYS to worry about.
Just a comment on your comment. In many cases, the father do provide support as much as they can but when dealing with the lowest income groups economics kick in big time to break up relationships.
quadrature
(2,049 posts)everybody wins, except criminals
build a fence or moat or something
nomorenomore08
(13,324 posts)In this case, the rest of Illinois and Indiana.
I don't know what the solution is, but more guns ain't it. Urban revitalization is more easily said than done - and often amounts to gentrification which doesn't benefit existing residents - but at least it's a better answer than simply arming everyone.
Tetris_Iguana
(501 posts)Spot on
delrem
(9,688 posts)If the cops find someone with a gun, they ask for the registration. If it isn't registered, they're dealing with a criminal. Nothing could be more simple, nothing could protect legitimate gun owners more.
But there has to be something more going on in Chicago. Those statistics point to a breakdown of civil politics, of communication on a deep level. I can't see that kind of thing happening unless low/high economic classes are involved.
Tetris_Iguana
(501 posts)But yes it should be that simple to catch gun criminals. Unfortunately the Chicago PD being undermanned doesn't help...
delrem
(9,688 posts)It has to be free of corruption.
It has to be free of racial prejudice and other bad indicators.
These are bare minimums, if you're to have a viable PD and not just a bunch of hoodlums dressed up with badges. The citizenry has to treat the matter seriously, as a first priority and sine qua non. Otherwise the game is up.
Spouting Horn
(338 posts)undermanned, or top heavy in paper pushing bureaucrats?
Tetris_Iguana
(501 posts)All of the above.
former9thward
(32,025 posts)It is illegal for IL residents to buy a gun in IN without a background check. So what gun control laws do you suggest?
AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)Washington state has far more lax gun laws than Chicago, it's host Illinois, or the surrounding states.
Why no crazy nightly bloodbaths here? Why is New York so much safer now? It has the same surrounding permissible states problem.
Stripping off prohibitions to bring that area in line with the rest of the country isn't 'arming everyone'.
Spouting Horn
(338 posts)have lax gun laws, then it would stand to reason there would be the same amount of gun violence (or more)...but there isn't...
nomorenomore08
(13,324 posts)throws gasoline on an already raging fire.
trumad
(41,692 posts)Oh never mind.
samsingh
(17,599 posts)and all we hear is snotty sarcasm
yeoman6987
(14,449 posts)Of course, Chicago has even more strict rules. Maryland has a very strict rule on guns, but then Baltimore is a bit more strict. They have been having problems lately too. I think the discussion has to be more than just gun control. There is something else that might not be known yet.
samsingh
(17,599 posts)those laws
samsingh
(17,599 posts)every attempt at reducing gun massacres and deaths we could avoid more situations.
Tetris_Iguana
(501 posts)I don't think that's ever going to happen.
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)I'm not going to into gun control because I can almost guarantee the shooter did not get the gun through 'regular channels'
RainDog
(28,784 posts)this, the man choked to death.. on video... this is all just too much. All this hatred and horror.
KinMd
(966 posts)alp227
(32,032 posts)to ensure more safety? No thank you.
nomorenomore08
(13,324 posts)alp227
(32,032 posts)Both right wing authoritarianism AND racism with the "stop and frisk" suggestion...when s and f was tried in New York City it disproportionately targeted blacks and latinos. The photo in the news story linked in op has black people, and Chicago had a large black population, so this post is despicable dog whistle racism. Not a mere opinion.
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yeoman6987
(14,449 posts)I am glad it survived. We are trying to find solutions by having a DISCUSSION.
alp227
(32,032 posts)Totalitarian for violating 4th amendment rights and racist by disproportionately targeting black and Latino people. And even if S&F did NOT disproportionately go after blacks and Latinos, S&F is counter-productive authoritarianism anyway.
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heaven05
(18,124 posts)you're already neck deep and digging deeper. WWB, DWB, are the only reason a lot of people are harassed by the police. Your pithy response leads me to believe that you must BRING attention to yourself, while one fact brings a black person to the attention of police who are racist and applying that power they have to perpetuate that racism. I see I'm going to have to go through this Chicago litany every week now because someone wants to point out that, even in spite of white mass shootings and white gun insanity, 'urban' areas still carry the onus of being worse. This is how I see this weekly litany of chicago gun violence playing out. The author of this weekly litany along with people, like you, jumping on that train of accusation are representative of part of the overall problem of racial profiling, on the sly mind you, and never will be part of the solution.
The gun violence in Chicago is a tragic and preventable problem. No doubt. But to want to profile a whole race of people, because of some fear of all black people being criminals, in your world/mind, until proven otherwise, is absurd. Quit digging before you bury yourself in your own BS.
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heaven05
(18,124 posts)all those black criminals are scaring you? Well walking around wondering who is going to pull out their AK and start shooting because they hate the government is something I have to watch out for everyday. RARE? BS. Keep digging, soon you'll not be able to type or speak. I sense your racial proclivities. You've said all you need to for me to understand your underlying intent along with the author of the original post. Pretty transparent, really.
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heaven05
(18,124 posts)Last edited Sun Jul 20, 2014, 11:28 AM - Edit history (1)
or have patience with undercover people like you perpetuating your racial proclivities and engendering racial antagonism to the detriment of a whole race of people. I acknowledge one thing, guns in the wrong hands of all races are a problem shared by all races. I know, after 66 years of living, who you are and what you represent. I'm through dealing with you.
hack89
(39,171 posts)It the same logic behind the patriot act. It is how are right slowly get taken away.
KinMd
(966 posts)IronGate
(2,186 posts)just to feel safer. What other rights would you like us to give up? 1st? 2nd? 5th? What?
KinMd
(966 posts)IronGate
(2,186 posts)Benjamin Franklin.
A very wise man, unlike you.
KinMd
(966 posts)IronGate
(2,186 posts)and I still don't want to give up my rights.
KinMd
(966 posts)wait .there'll be a march on city hall on Monday..that should help. And a scathing editorial opposing the NRA
IronGate
(2,186 posts)KinMd
(966 posts)but it might stop the bleeding..no pun intended
IronGate
(2,186 posts)Why is it ok to stop anyone and frisk them without any probably cause or reasonable suspicion to believe a crime bein committed?
And what makes you think that it would stop there?
Right on
IronGate
(2,186 posts)than any terrorist org.
nomorenomore08
(13,324 posts)hack89
(39,171 posts)As the most prominent gun control "activist" in America who would know better?
Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)Coincidence??
hack89
(39,171 posts)Which is why I can't understand his DU fan club.
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someone would say this
Inkfreak
(1,695 posts)IronGate
(2,186 posts)I refuse to give up my 4th Amend. right just to feel safer, that's a sure road to further erosion of our rights.
samsingh
(17,599 posts)Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)and you damn well know that...
lobodons
(1,290 posts)Even fingerprints on a gun, death penalty. Gotta make the "cost" of being associated with a gun more than the benefit.
trumad
(41,692 posts)Nice try though.
IronGate
(2,186 posts)Unless, of course, you're serious, then you forgot this:
ButterflyBlood
(12,644 posts)Great job.
Paladin
(28,264 posts)Sentiments like yours are what guarantee Wayne LaPierre a lifetime job at a perpetually empowered NRA.
theHandpuppet
(19,964 posts)Here's one article that discusses violent crime rate per state:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/10/05/most-dangerous-states_n_4050398.html
The Most Dangerous States In America: 24/7 Wall St.
24/7 Wall St. | By Charley Blaine and Michael B. Sauter
Posted: 10/05/2013
(excerpt)
The more the population is integrated, Roman explained, the greater the chances of sizable crime declines. Most crime is committed by people at the bottom of the economic totem pole, he said.
The apparent relationship between low income, low education and higher crime rates has been well documented, although identifying the cause and effect is still a matter of debate. It is clear, though, that these states for the most part match the national trend. Of the 10 states with the highest rates of violent crime, eight have lower rates of adults with bachelors degrees, and most of them had median income levels below the national figure in 2012.
There are notable exceptions to the national trend, however. Alaska, Delaware and Maryland all have higher educational attainment and higher income, but they still make the list. In Maryland and Delaware, this likely has to do with pockets of very high crime in the largest urban areas.
While Maryland has the ninth-highest violent crime rate in the country, it also has the third-lowest poverty rate, the highest median income and one of the highest proportions of adults with a college degree. The reason for this discrepancy is likely the concentration of high crime in Baltimore. The Baltimore metropolitan area also had the ninth highest violent crime rate in the country last year and accounted for nearly a third of all the incidents in the state that year....
SansACause
(520 posts)It's hard to pick the worst war zone right now.
pbmus
(12,422 posts)Read the stats ... yes we have senseless killings and murders, but so does every other city in the world ...
ltheghost
(37 posts)Anyone cares what happens on the Southside War Zone of Chiraq anymore. The people are not the right color and it's all being written off as gang violence. The worst part is these are kids getting killed. Living in a war zone this type of stuff happens. Innocents get killed. But since the government doesn't care, neither do the police....the guns will find young hands to fall in and strange fruit will lie in the streets of Chicago. Another funeral, another mother's tears...nobody gives a F anymore.