Black Boxes Found
Last edited Sun Jul 20, 2014, 09:09 AM - Edit history (1)
Source: Canadian Press
**>NewsAlert<** (EU-Ukraine-Plane)
DONESK, Ukraine - Black boxes found, will be given to
international aviation authority, rebel leader in Ukraine says.
More coming.
(The Canadian Press)
Only link I could find, from ABC...not much to it either.
Read more: http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/ukraine-rebels-bodies-plane-crash-site-unknown-location-24636707
OKNancy
(41,832 posts)Thanks, Nancy
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pinboy3niner
(53,339 posts)Last edited Sun Jul 20, 2014, 10:13 AM - Edit history (1)
CNN aired the video, noting that it's from 2 days ago. But the report sounded like it was a government rescue worker, and that the black box would be in the hands of the Ukraine government, not the separatist rebels.
ETA VIDEO of CNN report:
http://www.cnn.com/video/data/2.0/video/bestoftv/2014/07/20/nd-mh17-malaysia-black-box.cnn.html
MADem
(135,425 posts)The mystery over the whereabouts of the black box of Malaysia Airlines Flight 17 seemed to clear upa littleon Sunday when video surfaced of separatist emergency workers coming upon the device in a field in eastern Ukraine.
Malaysia Airlines plane crashes in eastern Ukraine
A man inspects tail debris Sunday at the main crash site of the Boeing 777 Malaysia Airlines Flight 17, which crashed in eastern Ukraine. (Igor Kovalenko/ European Pressphoto Agency)
Reuters posted the video, initially taken Friday, of one worker calling out flight recorder in Russian and appearing to hold the orange-colored apparatus that records a planes movements and cockpit voices. The device hadn't been found since the plane went down in a missile attack over eastern Ukraine last Thursday.
An earlier report on Russian radio that it had been discovered and sent to Moscow had been discredited. The Ukrainian government had also previously released transcripts of an unconfirmed audio intercept, dated Friday, in which a pro-Russia separatist leader tells a soldier that he should find the box because Moscow wants this.
Volodomyr Groysman, the Ukrainian vice prime minister who is overseeing the crash site, was at first coy when a reporter asked him about the device at a briefing Sunday afternoon. What happened to the black box is very difficult to say, he said. Pressed by another journalist a few minutes later, Groysman acknowledged that the recording devices that comprise the so-called box had probably made their way into separatist hands.
We do not have them in our possession, he said. The suspicion is they were captured by the terrorists, he said, using the governments word for the pro-Russia paramilitary units based in Donetsk and other parts of eastern Ukraine.....
longship
(40,416 posts)But I am glad that the boxes were recovered, and will be turned over to experts.
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BlueEye
(449 posts)a distinct course alteration in the instant after impact. For example, if the left wing is blown off but the rest of the airframe is intact, the aircraft will enter into a violent right bank. This might hint the missile came from an eastern direction (ie, rebel controlled). If the missile made a direct hit on the fuselage however, the in-flight breakup would have been so dramatic, that the FDR won't be much help. We shall see...
Amonester
(11,541 posts)to break it apart. A relatively short-distance detonation would suffice to open up a breach large enough for a sudden decompression explosion in flight.
BlueEye
(449 posts)I read somewhere that the SA-11 Buk is equipped with something called a "Continuous-rod warhead". Wikipedia explains it quite well:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Continuous-rod_warhead
It's basically designed to explode in proximity to the aircraft and slice it in half like a hot knife through butter. Humanity's ability to kill one another never ceases to amaze
longship
(40,416 posts)But I think they already know who did it. The voice recorder might be interesting, too. Did the pilots see anything before the missile hit? However, at Mach 3 there wouldn't be much time.
Regards.
BlueEye
(449 posts)It reminds me of the Syria chemical weapons situation. Assad definitely used Sarin, it was pretty much obvious the moment it happened and those horrible videos were published. But it was still necessary to collect evidence and for the UN to make an "official" ruling on it.
Spouting Horn
(338 posts)said the missile was tracked and originated from rebel-held areas.
Helen Borg
(3,963 posts)Everything good at time t and all going to hell at time t+1, I think.
longship
(40,416 posts)The intelligence has been good on this deal, apparently. But the boxes would confirm it.
Cooperstown
(49 posts)Alexander Borodai said Sunday that the devices would be handed over to the International Civil Aviation Organization.
He also said the bodies recovered from the crash site in eastern Ukraine would remain in refrigerated containers at a train station in the town of Torez until the arrival of an international aviation delegation.
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/black-boxes-located-malaysian-plane
dipsydoodle
(42,239 posts)They will NOT hand them over to Kiev - ICAO only.
Igel
(35,317 posts)Same old, same old.
Kiev also, at once point, said they had the black boxes. Then said they didn't.
I'll wait until I see video of somebody in the Ukr or "rebel" hierarchy holding a black box with various experts around him pointing at it and saying, "That is one of the black boxes."
Alternatively, an international agency or government not involved with the fighting could just make an announcement saying it has them.
KoKo
(84,711 posts)wreckage have been posted by Guardian and everyone else in media with camera of them on the ground. So...no one rushed into that disaster and scooped them up, sent them to Putin where he opened and confiscated everything within.
They were found, photos showed and there were enough international press and others on the ground shortly after that it wasn't "Russian Separatists who stole them and put them in an "unmarked van" to spirit them to the dreaded Putin who put them in a Kremlin vault where the West can't get to them.
Sheesh...like folks think that the world is still doting on "0007 James Bond Movies" or something.
Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)It might have changed now, but even the BBC said Saturday that they were only allowed partial access
MADem
(135,425 posts)Supposedly they are going to "allow" an international team in...
MADem
(135,425 posts)That person holding the black/orange box was speaking Russian.
davidpdx
(22,000 posts)Though the processing will have to be done by someone who has the expertise. Several European countries have that ability.