DNA test reveals grandson of Argentina rights group founder taken during 'dirty war'
Source: Associated Press
DNA test reveals grandson of Argentina rights group founder taken during 'dirty war'
Article by: Associated Press
Updated: August 5, 2014 - 4:45 PM
BUENOS AIRES, Argentina An enduring mystery of Argentina's "dirty war" ended Tuesday with the announcement that a prominent human rights activist has located the son born to her daughter who was killed by the military dictatorship in August 1978.
The identity of the son born to slain student activist Laura Carlotto was confirmed by DNA after the now 36-year-old man came forward to voluntarily take the test, family members said.
Laura Carlotto's mother, Estela Barnes de Carlotto, is founder of the human rights group Grandmothers of the Plaza de Mayo. She is among leaders of the effort to seek justice for victims of the dictatorship that ruled the South American country in 1976-83 and to locate hundreds of children taken from their captured parents and illegally adopted by families who supported the dictatorship.
The Argentine military captured, tortured and killed thousands of people in a crackdown on guerrillas and their supporters during the dictatorship.
Read more: http://www.startribune.com/world/270040291.html
Kissinger approved Argentinian 'dirty war'
Declassified US files expose 1970s backing for junta
Duncan Campbell in Los Angeles
The Guardian, Friday 5 December 2003 21.20 EST
Henry Kissinger gave his approval to the "dirty war" in Argentina in the 1970s in which up to 30,000 people were killed, according to newly declassified US state department documents.
Mr Kissinger, who was America's secretary of state, is shown to have urged the Argentinian military regime to act before the US Congress resumed session, and told it that Washington would not cause it "unnecessary difficulties".
The revelations are likely to further damage Mr Kissinger's reputation. He has already been implicated in war crimes committed during his term in office, notably in connection with the 1973 Chilean coup.
The material, obtained by the Washington-based National Security Archive under the Freedom of Information Act, consists of two memorandums of conversations that took place in October 1976 with the visiting Argentinian foreign minister, Admiral César Augusto Guzzetti. At the time the US Congress, concerned about allegations of widespread human rights abuses, was poised to approve sanctions against the military regime.
According to a verbatim transcript of a meeting on October 7 1976, Mr Kissinger reassured the foreign minister that he had US backing in whatever he did.
More:
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2003/dec/06/argentina.usa
Louisiana1976
(3,962 posts)policy advisers. If that's true, that's terrible. Kissinger should instead be turned over to Argentina and see the inside of an Argentinian prison.
enough
(13,262 posts)the United States is one of the most convincing arguments I know of for the primacy of Evil in the human universe.
Judi Lynn
(160,630 posts)scarletwoman
(31,893 posts)June 4, 2013
Political and New York Elite Fete Henry Kissinger
By Rosemary Feitelberg
NEW YORK As one of the few who has actually changed the world, not just wished to, Henry Kissinger had much to celebrate at his 90th birthday party Monday night.
And the former secretary of states wife Nancy made sure plenty of their friends joined in on the black-tie fun at the St. Regis Hotel here. With politicians, dignitaries and other power brokers arriving by the minute, Secret Service and private security used three different entrances to whisk them indoors. Twenty floors above in the rooftop ballroom, the scent of gardenias from blue Chinoiserie vases filled the air and tiny white votive candles flickered in the hall. While a clutch of young women in black dresses stood solemnly waiting for the VIPs, a unisex mariachi band plucked at their guitars and adjusted their sombreros.
Nancy Kissinger arrived hours before the guest of honor to ensure every last place card was in order. The power couple brought together the red and the blue, so to speak, with Bill Clinton and Hillary Rodham Clinton, John Kerry, James Baker, John McCain, Condoleezza Rice, George Shultz, Susan Rice, Donald Rumsfeld, Mayor Michael Bloomberg, former French president Valéry Giscard dEstaing and David Petraeus being among the politically minded guests. Police Commissioner Ray Kelly, David Rockefeller, Mort Zuckerman, Charlie Rose, Barry Diller, Roger Ailes, Barbara Walters, Wendi Murdoch, Paula Zahn, Oscar and Annette de la Renta, and Tina Brown and Harold Evans helped make up the New York contingent in the 300-person crowd.
<snip>
Once the birthday cake with a giant 90 was wheeled in, Kissingers friends joined in on a rousing version of Happy Birthday before the man himself took the microphone. The German-born strategist spoke of coming to the U.S. as a teenager and his lifelong love of politics. He also reminded guests about the rhythm of history, and that even if politicians represent different parties they must come together for the good of the nation.
<snip>
The merriment was no doubt in full swing nearing 9 p.m., when Hillary Rodham Clinton sailed in with Oscar de la Renta fresh from the CFDA Awards. Ready for round two, she beamed as she waltzed into the freight entrance.
Just warms your heart, doesn't it?
rickyhall
(4,889 posts)Peace Patriot
(24,010 posts)She has fought so hard and so long for all the grandmothers whose grandchildren were stolen amidst the horrible, U.S.-approved torture and death of the parents.
I feel joy for her, and I hope that this reunion goes well!
Solly Mack
(90,787 posts)McCamy Taylor
(19,240 posts)Billy Budd
(310 posts)This doddering criminal needs a trial and then the rope noose....
tea and oranges
(396 posts)Judi Lynn
(160,630 posts)Argentina's first Grandmother finds son of woman murdered by dictatorship
Estela Carlotto, founder of Grandmothers of Plaza de Mayo, says 36-year-old pianist named Guido is the child stolen by military regime from Laura Carlotto, who was killed after giving birth
Uki Goni in Buenos Aires and agencies
theguardian.com, Tuesday 5 August 2014 22.35 EDT
The long-missing grandchild of Estela Carlotto, the founder of Argentinian human rights organisation Grandmothers of Plaza de Mayo, has been found thanks to a DNA test, the Grandmothers have announced.
I didnt want to die without hugging him, 83-year-old Carlotto said in a press conference, and now I will be able to hug him soon.
During Argentinas last military dictatorship in 1976-83 some 500 newborns were taken from arrested young opponents of the regime and handed over to military families to be raised as their own. The real parents were murdered.
The grandchild identified on Tuesday, named only as Guido by the Grandmothers, is the 114th to be found by the group. Argentinian media identified him as Ignacio Hurban, a pianist and composer who is director of a music school in the city of Olavarria, south-west of Buenos Aires.
More:
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/aug/06/argentinian-grandmothers-find-son-of-woman-murdered-under-dictatorship
Judi Lynn
(160,630 posts)Argentina's first Grandmother finds son of woman murdered by dictatorship
Estela Carlotto, founder of Grandmothers of Plaza de Mayo, says 36-year-old pianist named Guido is the child stolen by military regime from Laura Carlotto, who was killed after giving birth
Uki Goni in Buenos Aires and agencies
theguardian.com, Tuesday 5 August 2014 22.35 EDT
The long-missing grandchild of Estela Carlotto, the founder of Argentinian human rights organisation Grandmothers of Plaza de Mayo, has been found thanks to a DNA test, the Grandmothers have announced.
I didnt want to die without hugging him, 83-year-old Carlotto said in a press conference, and now I will be able to hug him soon.
During Argentinas last military dictatorship in 1976-83 some 500 newborns were taken from arrested young opponents of the regime and handed over to military families to be raised as their own. The real parents were murdered.
The grandchild identified on Tuesday, named only as Guido by the Grandmothers, is the 114th to be found by the group. Argentinian media identified him as Ignacio Hurban, a pianist and composer who is director of a music school in the city of Olavarria, south-west of Buenos Aires.
More:
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/aug/06/argentinian-grandmothers-find-son-of-woman-murdered-under-dictatorship
rafeh1
(385 posts)On the non coup coup in Egypt. The result of which we are seeing in gaza
Or as dr. k reportedly said
1. War crimes are for losers
2. Only losers commit war crimes
3. Ergo losing is a war crime
I didnt lose so I am not a war criminal
Judi Lynn
(160,630 posts)6 August 2014 Last updated at 05:57 ET
Argentina Plaza de Mayo activist finds 'stolen grandson'
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Ms Carlotto spoke at a news conference surrounded by some of the families who have already been reunited[/font]
An Argentine activist who searches for people who were snatched as babies by the 1970s military junta has found her own grandson.
Estela de Carlotto said finding her grandson, a victim of the practice, was "reparation" for her and for Argentina.
She said he had come forward for DNA testing because he had doubts about his own identity.
The junta snatched hundreds of babies from their opponents and gave them to sympathisers to bring up.
Ms Carlotto's organisation, The Grandmothers of the Plaza de Mayo, was formed to reunite biological parents with hundreds of children born in prisons and torture centres.
'Silent embrace'
Ms Carlotto and her grandson have not yet met face to face, but Ms Carlotto says she is already imagining what it will be like to embrace him.
More:
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-28669697
Uncle Joe
(58,424 posts)I'm happy that Estela de Carlotto found her grandson.
Judi Lynn
(160,630 posts)Guido, the Grandson in the DNA of All Argentinians
Analysis by Fabiana Frayssinet
BUENOS AIRES, Aug 8 2014 (IPS) - The recovery of grandchild number 114 one of the sons and daughters of those who were disappeared during the Argentine dictatorship caused a commotion that many compared to the excitement of making it to the final match of the World Cup a month ago.
A degree of compensation for the wound that has remained open during 30 years of democracy but has finally begun to heal.
Speechless, excited, ecstatic were some of the terms repeated over and over on the social networks which reached a record number of retweets and shares on Aug. 5, when the discovery of the grandson of the president and founder of the Abuelas (Grandmothers) de Plaza de Mayo organisation, Estela de Carlotto, was announced.
A sensation of speechlessness felt by most although not all people in Argentina and reflected across the media, regardless of ideological slant.
The tireless struggle to search for their blood relatives could never be called into question, it is something so natural, so logical, so right, that no one can remain indifferent towards it, lawyer Marta Eugenia Fernández of the University of Buenos Aires told IPS.
Since 1977 the Abuelas have been looking for the children born into captivity or kidnapped along with their parents during the 1976-1983 dictatorship, which left 30,000 people dead or disappeared, according to human rights groups. The children were raised by military and police couples as well as by families unaware of their origins, who adopted them in good faith.
More:
http://www.ipsnews.net/2014/08/guido-the-grandson-in-the-dna-of-all-argentinians/
Judi Lynn
(160,630 posts)Argentine Musician Finds Out His Biological Parents Were Killed by Countrys Dictatorship 36 Years Ago
Uki Goni / Buenos Aires
12:39 PM ET
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Estela de Carlotto, president of Grandmothers of Plaza de Mayo, right, and her grandson Ignacio Hurban, left, hug during a news conference in Buenos Aires, Aug. 8, 2014.
Victor R. CaivanoAP[/font]
Ignacio Hurban's parents were killed by a ruling dictatorship, and he was raised by another family
It wasnt until his thirty-sixth birthday two months ago that Ignacio Hurban was told he was adopted. But his was no regular adoption it transpired instead under the most violent of circumstances.
His real parents, Oscar Montoya and Laura Carlotto, were arrested in November 1977 by Argentinas ruling dictatorship because of their political activities, disappearing into the macabre system of death camps the military set up across Argentina. His father was secretly executed shortly after his arrest. But his mother, two months pregnant, was kept alive until Hurban was born in June 1978, after which she was also murdered.
Hurbans case was by no means an isolated one. Its estimated that some 500 infants suffered the same fate during the bloody 1976-83 Argentinian regime, during which some 20,000 mostly young left-wing political activists were murdered. The military made only one exception during its killing spree: Pregnant women were kept alive until they gave birth. Afterwards, the infants were handed over to military families or unsuspecting couples to be raised according to the Western and Christian values the military claimed to defend. These infants grew up completely unaware of their real identities.
Its a crime beyond all imagination, says Robert Cox, a British journalist who lived in Argentina during those years, bravely reporting and even confronting top generals personally about the crimes they were committing. I still dont understand how men who are meant to be men of honor, military men, could fall so low. Its the one crime above all others that wakes us up to the horror of what happened and how terribly evil it was.
Two former dictators of that regime were eventually convicted for the systematic kidnapping of children. Jorge Rafael Videla died in prison last year while serving a 50-year sentence, Reynaldo Bignone remains behind bars. Various military couples who knowingly took in such children have also been convicted, including cases in which the adoptive father played a hand in the killing of the infants real parents.
More:
http://time.com/3096122/ignacio-hurban-argentina/
Uncle Joe
(58,424 posts)Thanks for the thread, Judi Lynn.
UpInArms
(51,284 posts)and, unless you have posted your links and stories, it is such an unspoken story
thank you, Judy Lynn, for carrying the torch
best to you,
UIA
http://www2.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB73/index3.htm
Judi Lynn
(160,630 posts)If it hadn't been for some impossibly hard work by various authors and investigators, we would STILL know absolutely nothing about what has happened at the great expense and suffering of the people of Latin America and the Caribbean.
So damned sad, isn't it? I just started learning about this around 2000, when Elian Gonzalez was kept hostage by the right-wing Cuban "exile" mafia in Miami, after it was reported his drunken great-granduncle Lazaro Gonzalez had made trips to Elian Gonzalez' home town in Cuba for VACATIONS, and realized that's not something you do if you actually "fled" from Cuba because you were so scared of the big bad commies.
It was reported in George magazine and elsewhere, also in a book by Ann Louise Bardach, former New York Times reporter, as well, in Cuba Confidential: Love and Vengeance in Miami and Havana.
Once you learn that is a fact, it occurs there's a whole lot more you want to find out! If you decide to start looking for more, you will embark upon a journey which will keep you going for years and years. There is SO much which has been hidden, buried, as you say, and it HAS been intentional. Why? Because it was too damned ugly to share.
Either they are going to have to give up these hateful actions against human beings, or they are going to need to shut their pie holes about how damned wholesome this country's history is, wouldn't you say? "Mom, apple pie, etc." Sheesh.
mackerel
(4,412 posts)Argentina had the most disappeared. I would think that many of those adopted children would want to come forward and anyone
who adopted a child at that time ought to question the authenticity of the adoption. Although I do believe that many of the adoptive parents do know the truth but are not willing to come forward.
lunatica
(53,410 posts)They started demonstrations on the Plaza de Mayo, in front of the Casa Rosada presidential palace, on 30 April 1977, and they kept it up for years and eventually attracted the attention of the world's press. The demonstrations were done once a week and were consistently peaceful and silent. All they did was gather in the Plaza with pictures of their disappeared children without any speeches or threats.
I saw a documentary about how, after the Dirty War these women went to scientists and doctors to ask them for a way to identify their children and grandchildren scientifically, even if they were dead. Thus was born the DNA method of identifying people.
Judi Lynn
(160,630 posts)Judi Lynn
(160,630 posts)Seems impossible, doesn't it, that any government in the world would stoop that low?
From a Wikipedia article regarding their most infamous torturer :
More:Alfredo Ignacio Astiz (born 8 November 1951) was a Commander, intelligence officer, Marine and maritime commando in the Argentine Navy during the military dictatorship of Jorge Rafael Videla during the Proceso de Reorganización Nacional (19761983). He was known as El Ángel Rubio de la Muerte (the "Blond Angel of Death" , and had a reputation as a notorious torturer. He was discharged from the military in 1998 after defending his actions in a press interview.
~snip~
In December 1977 Astiz organized the kidnapping of about a dozen people associated with the Mothers of the Plaza de Mayo, including the founders Azucena Villaflor de Vicenti and two others. The non-violent group of mothers organized to learn the fates of their missing children and protested against the thousands of "disappeared." He also kidnapped two French nationals who were Catholic nuns, Leonie Duquet and Alice Domon. None was seen alive again after having been tortured at ESMA and "transferred", a euphemism for being taken elsewhere to be killed.
Astiz was witnessed torturing the nuns at ESMA by beating them, immersing them in water and applying electrified cattle prods to their breasts, genitals and mouths. A staged photograph intended to portray their support of the Montoneros, a Peronist leftist group, was leaked to the press. Despite repeated efforts by France to trace the nuns, the Argentine government denied all knowledge of them.
In late December 1977, unidentified bodies began washing up on beaches hundreds of kilometers south of Buenos Aires after heavy storms. Autopsies revealed they had died on impact, apparently having been thrown out of aircraft over the ocean, intended never to be discovered. In March 1978 Agence France-Presse reported that the bodies were believed to be the two nuns and several members of the Mothers of the Plaza de Mayo, but this was not confirmed by the government. These and other bodies washed ashore were buried in mass graves at General Lavalle Cemetery, about 400 kilometers south of Buenos Aires.
In July 2005 several bodies of unidentified women were found in a mass grave in General Lavalle Cemetery. Forensic DNA testing by the Argentine Forensic Anthropology Team identified the remains of Duquet, Azucena Villaflor de Vicenti, and two other founders of the Mothers of the Plaza in August 2005.[4] Domon's remains have not been found.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alfredo_Astiz
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Alfredo Ignacio Astiz[/center]
etl
(1 post)Hello Folks,
Just found this forum. I have recently published a book called Argentina's Angel (Piscataqua Press, 2014), which is a translation of Als ob ein Engel (a German title) by the Austrian author Erich Hackl. Hackl's reconstruction of the life of Gisela Tenenbaum, who disappeared during the Dirty War, may be of interest to the readers of this forum. From the back cover:
Mendoza a conservative provincial town in Argentina at the foot of the Andes.
April 8, 1977 the last day that Gisela Tenenbaum was seen alive. How does a family come to terms with the disappearance of their twenty-two-year-old daughter so many years ago? Was she kidnapped? Tortured? Murdered?
Argentinas Angel is a true story of Gisis family (Austrians of Jewish origin who fled to South America in 1939) and of her own desperate struggle in the Dirty War for a cause that would ultimately be lost.
Erich Hackl, born in Steyr, Austria in 1954, is an internationally known author whose numerous nonfiction novels highlight issues of social injustice.
If any of you know of other forums/fora whose participants might be interested in the book, please feel free to pass the names of the forums along to me.
Best,
Ed
Judi Lynn
(160,630 posts)The military dictatorship was well underway by that time, no doubt, hard at work, torturing, terrorizing, murdering citizens for political reasons.
Have never heard of Gisela Tenenbaum before seeing your information. It would be nearly impossible to think she was able to escape these monsters.
What a staggering heartache for her parents. The sadness would have been astonishing also in light of their desperate efforts to leave Europe before it was too late for them.
What a shock for them to discover the same kind of people were already living in Argentina by the time they got there, and that some of the monsters from the Third Reich moved to South America, themselves, to avoid prosecution after the war.
Maybe with more people learning about Gisela Tenenbaum, the chances will increase that someone who DOES know will be moved to contact the right authorities to give closure to this horrific mystery.
Thank you for taking the time to share this information, and welcome to D.U.
littlemissmartypants
(22,812 posts)DreamGypsy
(2,252 posts)...And I pray I would know you
Richard Shindell's song Abuelita (Abuela - Grandmother; Abuelita - Little Grandmother):
In a crowd, I don´t know which way to turn
I´m afraid I might not see you go by
But if I did, would I find the strength to speak?
And would you want to hear what a stranger would tell you?
That Soledad was your mother´s name
She fell in love with my Juan Luis
They may be gone
But I am still your Abuelita
You were born, and they took you from her arms
And a captain brought you home to his family
Now it may be that they have raised you as their own
And that it´s all youve known of home all these years
But Soldedad was your mother´s name
She fell in love with my Juan Luis
They may be gone
But I am still your Abuelita
In my mind, there are pictures of your face
As it might be now
And I pray I would know you
So I will wait with the others in the square
You can find me there
And I will tell you a story
That Soledad was your mother´s name
And how she loved my Juan Luis
Now they are gone
But I am still your Abuelita
How fortunate you are, Abuelita Estela Barnes de Carlotto, you found your poquito neito.
Judi Lynn
(160,630 posts)Overwhelming experience, hearing it. The author lives in Argentina.
Thank you, so much, for thinking of sharing it.
It would be amazing to search for someone for decades, and suddenly actually find the person? The circumstances are so deeply painful under which he disappeared, but they both look joyous in photos I've seen of them in the news.
Thank you, DreamGypsy.