Is this the proof Putin is already moving heavy artillery into Ukraine? Russian trucks carrying tank

[snagglepuss]

Source: Daily Mail



A Russian convoy of trucks carrying tanks towards the Ukraine border has been seen returning without its cargo... fuelling fears that Vladimir Putin is already gathering his army in the country.

The convoy of 13 military transporters had been carrying fearsome T-90 tanks and infantry vehicles through Russia's Rostov region towards the border.

The following day, the same trucks were seen returning empty.

The images are certain to alarm the West, which fears Putin's forces are placing fighters and heavy weaponry across the border into rebel-held regions of Ukraine.


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[newthinking]

1. It is hard to know since there have been so many false claims on this

The one just last week was false. They reported border forces casually (lights on knowing that press were nearby) entering a border buffer zone checkpoint as "crossing the border". And the report was never further checked or retracted because it gets much more views to present a lie than the truth.

Having said that, the war there is out of control and I would not be surprised at all if Russia just gave in and decided to directly aid. it may have happened already. They have good reason to knowing the truth about the Kyiv junta and the extremists that managed to take power.

It is time to step up efforts to demilitarize the situation.

[rhett o rick]

2. Let NATO take care of this with minimal USofA participation.

We must cut back our defense spending or die.

[ballyhoo]

3. Europe already said last week they won't

enter militarily. Putin won't dance on this pin much longer.

[Hayabusa]

4. Those are certainly a step up

from the T-34/85s and IS-3s that the rebels managed to steal.

[EEO]

5. Maybe the local police forces requested them.

[Igel]

6. Doesn't matter.

There's been a creep in what's provided and the quantity provided.

Russia steps up its game a little. Watches for the reaction. And when there's none, it steps up its game a bit more.

The point is that for all the talk, nobody really cares about Ukrainians. They more than want to believe that it's all local because the more local it is, the less they have to do. And ultimately they don't want to fight or be out single cent as long as they can find a way of feeling good about it. That can be saying that what's happening is for the best. Or it can be blaming somebody else and simply feeling superior.

Videos of convoys heading towards the border in Russia and then the same equipment in Sverdlovsk or Krasnodon, Ukraine? Might be faked. Don't have to worry.

Eyewitnesses? Hey, it's possible that it didn't cross. Don't have to worry.

Other eyewitnesses? They have a bias. Don't have to believe them. Don't have to worry.

Equipment manifests and inventory checklists signed and stamped in Russia on equipment found used in Ukraine? Might be faked. Don't have to worry.

Multiple GPS-stamped videos of shelling of Ukraine from Russian territory, claimed by those posting the videos and corrobated by comparing features in the video with features on the ground? Might not be this conflict. Might be faked. Can we really trust those sources? Don't have to worry.

The goal isn't humanitarian in nature. It's self-serving in nature, so long as we can avoid doing anything that doesn't benefit ourselves and still tell ourselves that, really, we're swell people that care.