URGENT - Florida-Aircraft-Unresponsive

[big_dog]

Source: WDSU.com



(CNN) -- The U.S. military is trailing a small aircraft that is unresponsive and is flying over the Atlantic Ocean headed towards Cuban airspace, NORAD said. Two F-15s are flying with the plane east of Florida. The windows, according to a NORAD spokesman, are frosted and it is not known how much fuel is left. NORAD is in touch with Cuban authorities via the U.S. Coast Guard. The U.S. military jets will not enter Cuban airspace, a NORAD spokesman said.




Read more: http://www.wdsu.com/national/urgent-floridaaircraftunresponsive/27899178#ixzz3CSutw1PI

[MrScorpio]

1. This will not end well nt

[COLGATE4]

2. Reminiscent of what happened with Payne Stewart. nt

[B2G]

7. Exactly that

Escorts reporting windows frosted over.

[enlightenment]

4. I suspect it has already ended badly for

whomever is inside the aircraft. I'll assume they know more about it via tail number but are withholding details.

Hopefully it will not go down in a populated area.

[big_dog]

6. passing past Cuban airspace

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/N900KN

[enlightenment]

11. A small relief.

My thoughts to those lost already.

Do you know if that aircraft has the fuel capacity to make it to South America along the track it is following? Assuming a full load, etc.

[herding cats]

18. I read it should have ran out of fuel a few minutes ago under most circumstances.

There appear to be two pilots aboard the unresponsive plane now flying over Cuba, a federal aviation source tells CNN's Deborah Feyerick. The source described the pilots as unconscious. Based on calculations of fuel known to be aboard the aircraft, the source said the plane probably ran out of fuel about 2 p.m. ET.

http://www.clickondetroit.com/news/norad-jets-trail-plane-over-atlantic-ocean/27899284

[big_dog]

19. stalling, going down 3,000 ft, 4 on board

turning back towards Jamaica

[herding cats]

20. Poor folks

At least they say hypoxia is painless.

[big_dog]

22. looks like they are on the eastern tip of Jamaica

n/t

[herding cats]

26. Hopefully it goes down away from other people and no one else gets hurt. nt

[2pooped2pop]

56. wouldn't they gasp for air? Lack of adequate O2 is very uncomfortable

and causes panic. Maybe they lose consciousness before that happens?

Oh nevermind. I see below that it sounds more like the mind goes first so they don't see it coming, then they pass out. I was thinking more in terms of taking someone off of life support.

[enlightenment]

31. Thank you.

Heartbreaking for the families.

[bananas]

14. Looks like it's passed Cuba already. nt

[big_dog]

17. over jamaica now

within 100 miles of its range.

[bananas]

16. Time Magazine confirms it is "a SOCATA TBM-700 turboprop with tail number N900KN"

Those aboard the aircraft, a SOCATA TBM-700 turboprop with tail number N900KN, may be suffering from hypoxia, NORAD said.

http://time.com/3274631/plane-cuba/

Thanks for the direct link to the flightaware tracking map.

[Purveyor]

21. Unresponsive Plane Linked To Real Estate Company CEO

An "unresponsive" plane that entered Cuban airspace on Friday is registered to a limited liability corporation housed at the same address as Buckingham Properties, a company that describes itself as "Rochester, New York’s largest and most diverse real estate development and property management company."

According to Buckingham Properties' website , the company owns and manages "more than 60 properties." It is led by its cofounder, CEO, and managing partner, Larry Glazer.

https://ca.finance.yahoo.com/news/unresponsive-plane-shares-address-real-180503054.html

[freshwest]

58. Yes, it seems they have passed on already.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

5. Frosted windows? Sounds like the Payne Stewart accident

where the pressurization system failed, everybody passed out and the airplane finally ran out of fuel. http://www.ntsb.gov/doclib/reports/2000/AAB0001.pdf

[NYC_SKP]

8. "The U.S. military is trailing a small aircraft that is unresponsive... It's a small aircraft.

The word "small" is in the article but not in your subject line.



One leaps to the conclusion that it's a commercial flight, but it could be a Cessna or private jet.

It could be a Socata TBM 700:

[big_dog]

10. id from local media

Unresponsive plane believed to be Glazer’s

A small plane believed to be registered to Rochester developer Larry Glazer is flying over the Atlantic Ocean and is unresponsive.

The North American Aerospace Defense Command issued a news release at 12:50 p.m. saying it had scrambled two F-15 fighter jets to intercept the Naples, Fla.-bound Socata TBM-700 that took off from Rochester this morning.

An online flight tracker website, flightaware.com, lists the plane’s tail number as N900KN. That is the same tail number on the plane registered to Glazer, according to the Federal Aviation Administration and published publicity photos featuring Glazer.

Attempts to reach Glazer, who has development projects in Naples, on his cellphone were unsuccessful. A voicemail left on his phone was not immediately returned.

http://www.democratandchronicle.com/story/news/2014/09/05/norad-fighter-jets-escorting-business-plane-naples/15132465/

[Voice for Peace]

9. the article says "small aircraft" -- ?

[big_dog]

12. aircraft

[Strelnikov_]

75. Wow, that is one sweet plane

Turboprop, if I am not mistaken.

[lululu]

76. not sweet enough, apparently

[arcane1]

28. I think LBN rules require the actual headline, though I could be wrong.

[NYC_SKP]

65. True. This subject line matches the headline, but the word "small" was left out of the excerpt.

I'm not sure why, but among the three versions posted, one version left the word "small" out of the excerpt.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=thread&info=1&address=1014888950

LBN rules require that excerpts be excerpts which, by definition, are not edited.

A second box is provided when posting for editorial comment.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=post&forum=1014

[arcane1]

69. Gotcha! A refresher course is always welcome.

[GeorgeGist]

13. Frosted or fogged?

[big_dog]

15. frosted, pilot slumped over

air masks deployed--not confirmed yet

[jmowreader]

23. It says "frosted" - cabin pressurization going out is the cause, death is the result

Why couldn't they install something like a skydiver's altimeter in small pressurized planes - a tool that would read the altitude inside the aircraft? They pressurize those to the equivalent of 8000 feet altitude, so if your skydiver's altimeter started reading the same thing as your regular altimeter you'd know to declare an emergency and descend into dense air.

[big_dog]

24. plane down- god speed to the families

Lat 19.5831 Lon -76.7362 http://www.flightradar24.com/N900KN/440c4fb

[DURHAM D]

29. Wow.

Once again DU is ahead of CNN and MSNBC. They are still not reporting that it is down.

[big_dog]

30. FAA has a five minutes delay on that real time air site

useful for tracking family flights

[titaniumsalute]

48. Yeah Flightaware is a good site.

Looks like it has stopped. So sad.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

27. In most pressurized airplanes there is a cabin pressure instrument.

In any event, if there had been a sudden decompression, depending on the altitude the crew might have become hypoxic so quickly that they were unable to respond. I've been in one of those altitude chambers where they can simulate loss of cabin pressure, and it's amazing how quickly you can get really stupid and disoriented.

[groundloop]

38. Yep... I've had high altitude training also.... hypoxia is very sneaky

I can't exactly remember the regs, but I'm pretty sure that any pressurized plane must have a cabin pressure gauge. The trouble with that is you forget to check it because there's never a problem (until there is). And as you mention, unless someone really pays attention they're not going to know that they're getting hypoxic. Different people have different symptoms (my hair tingles), but you usually get quite happy and don't give a shit that things seem to be going wrong.... and then you're unconscious.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

42. I found it to be like becoming really drunk, really fast.

But you aren't aware of it right away until suddenly you notice that you can't do anything.

[caraher]

70. Wouldn't it be simple to put the cabin pressure gauge on an alarm?

That's exactly the sort of thing an alarm is most appropriate for - something that can readily escape your attention, doesn't happen often and needs immediate attention.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

72. There is one, at least in large jets.

Some kind of warning - a horn or a light, depending - is activated at 10,000' cabin altitude. Then at 14,000' the 02 masks automatically drop. But I don't know whether this small turboprop had or was required to have these features, though.

[zeemike]

71. Yep, when I went through the hi altitude chamber they had us play paddy cake with each other.

I remember getting two cycles before it just became to weird to continue...that was the instructors que to make us put on our masks...and even then one guy had to be helped.
And you had no sensation that there was anything wrong, you just became stupid.

[Divernan]

25. Here's his bio - looks to be a generous employer, & at least 68 years old

http://www.buckprop.com/team/

Buckingham strives to be an employer of choice by maintaining a fun and diverse culture while offering a number of benefits that suit our employees’ needs. Below are some of the benefits Buckingham provides:

Paid Holidays
Paid Vacation
Paid Personal Days
Health Insurance
Dental Insurance
401(k) Plan with company match
Health Reimbursement Account (HRA) with employer contribution
Employer Paid Life/Accidental Death & Dismemberment/Long-Term Disability
Employee Assistance Program

Laurence C. Glazer co-founded Buckingham Properties in 1970 and today serves as CEO and Managing Partner of the Company. After earning a Master’s degree in Finance in 1969 from Columbia University, Larry sharpened his financial and analytical skills by creating and managing his own private hedge fund.

The combination of Larry’s financial, analytical and operational skills provides Buckingham Properties a CEO who is able to successfully lead the Company through the many opportunities and challenges encountered by a growing real estate development and management company. Buckingham has successfully taken on redevelopment challenges such as the ArtCraft Optical Building – now Buckingham Commons; the Michaels-Stern Building, the Bausch & Lomb Frame Center on Paul Road – now the Paul Road Business Center, and a host of others.

Larry is an active Board Member of ESL Federal Credit Union, Rochester Downtown Development Corporation, Monroe Community College, the Jewish Home of Rochester, Rochester District Heating Cooperative, Rochester Business Alliance and the WXXI Comprehensive Capital Campaign. He is a proponent of charitable giving and supports the community work of many human service and arts organizations. Larry spends some of his spare time on the ground – gardening around his house with his wife, Jane; and some in the sky – flying his plane. Larry serves as President of the TBM Owners and Pilots Association.

[tosh]

36. Sounds like an all-around good guy.

So sad.

[freshwest]

59. Like the new owner of the paper in PA, wasn't it? Nice guy lost in a plane, too.

[AngryDem001]

74. It seems that only the nice ones die.

Yet assholes like Darth Cheney live on.

[SoapBox]

32. Oh boy...another one of these events.

It's been lucky that they've not taken out anyone else...yet.

I will never forget the horrifying event over Cerritos, CA on August 31, 1986, between a small private aircraft and an Aeromexico DC-9.

[C Moon]

49. Oh. I remember that one. :O

[ForgoTheConsequence]

34. What?

...

[7962]

45. There's always gotta be ONE............

[IronGate]

37. Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa?

If they're poor, how could they rent the plane?

[groundloop]

39. Huh?????

[SoapBox]

40. Thank goodness all of you said what I was going to earlier post...

What? Huh? K?

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

54. If you're poor you're not going to be chartering a plane. Jeez.

[2pooped2pop]

57. lets see, what would it cost to hire a plane to cuba

as compared to what 500 bucks for an abortion? Maybe you just forgot the sarcasm thing?

[Dreamer Tatum]

62. That's what the poor are reduced to. CHARTERING PLANES.

I mean, good gravy.

[csziggy]

35. Now reported (CNN & MSNBC) in Jamaica

Not much other hard info - lots of speculation.

[brooklynite]

43. CNN reporting plane has crashed south of Jamaica.

[muriel_volestrangler]

44. Strange that a Louisiana TV station marks this 'URGENT'

as if it's important that readers react to it in some way. I can see a hurricane warning being 'urgent' for an area, or a warning about a food poisoning outbreak. But a small plane in which the pilot appears to be unconscious or dead, heading nowhere near the region?

[alp227]

46. It's a reprint of a CNN article, actually.

Updated version: http://www.cnn.com/2014/09/05/us/norad-air-threat/index.html

[muriel_volestrangler]

50. They called it "URGENT" too?

Obviously, it doesn't say that now. But if CNN did call it that, I'd ask the same question of them - what did they expect viewers to do about it?

On edit: I think it's the Louisiana station shouting 'URGENT'. Now the plane has crashed, CNN doesn't use that word, but the LA station is still shouting "URGENT - Unresponsive Plane Crashed". Why is it urgent? Shouldn't that read something like "UPDATE" or, given their attempt to kick readers into action, "RELAX"?

[freshwest]

60. Just being sensationalist to get views? IDK. What with the guy selling ISIS coloring books for kids.

[alp227]

47. Updates from other outlets

Jamaica Observer

Miami Herald

Reuters

[get the red out]

51. Very sad

I just hope it doesn't harm anyone on the ground. Hopefully it will go down at sea, seems as if those on board are already gone.

[C Moon]

52. What were the F-15's going to do?

[ManiacJoe]

53. Shoot it down if

the pilot was conscious and not cooperative.

[C Moon]

55. That's what I was wondering. :O

[freshwest]

61. If it was going to hit something. Crashing into the water, not so much. Sad for their families. RIP.

[ManiacJoe]

63. Yes, that is the other reason.

[whistler162]

73. First they are going to try and figure out

what is going on. If plane A is going X miles/hr what type of plane do you need to reach it, answer a plane that goes X+ miles/hr. As for shooting down the plane. Likely only if not shooting it down would have endangered people on the ground.

Bad two days for the Rochester area. A Police officer killed in the line of duty and now this.

RIP and peace to both families.

[N_E_1 for Tennis]

64. Just saw at HuffPo. It crashed....

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/09/05/plane-crash-jamaica_n_5774110.html

[Hari Seldon]

66. Just like 911

Military already escorting unresponsive jets.

They are fast getting to those planes.

Almost every single time it happens.

[valerief]

67. There are no attacks unless NORAD "shuts down" for the day. nt

[LoisB]

68. Earlier today, I heard that it had crashed.