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itsrobert

(14,157 posts)
Fri Sep 19, 2014, 07:38 PM Sep 2014

Part of White House 'being evacuated'

Source: Reuters

White House is being evacuated after a fence jumper got over. Guards with guns drawn. pic.twitter.com/DRCP3QsIpW

http://www.itv.com/news/update/2014-09-20/part-of-white-house-evacuated/

Part of White House 'being evacuated'
Part of the White House has been evacuated following a reported security alert, a witness has told Reuters.

Initial media reports suggested a person managed to jump over the fence moments after President Obama departed.

Read more: http://www.itv.com/news/update/2014-09-20/part-of-white-house-evacuated/

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Part of White House 'being evacuated' (Original Post) itsrobert Sep 2014 OP
As in, he got OVER the fence, across the lawn rocktivity Sep 2014 #1
Got close to the White House itsrobert Sep 2014 #2
If they haven't caught him yet, and if they don't seem to know where he is rocktivity Sep 2014 #7
Kick!-nt Anansi1171 Sep 2014 #3
nothing on ap, reuters or google news, fwiw nt steve2470 Sep 2014 #4
Here's an ABC/AP page: freshwest Sep 2014 #23
I have a link from instagram that shows some video of the jumper... steve2470 Sep 2014 #26
instagram video here steve2470 Sep 2014 #27
Yes, that one worked for me. Thanks! freshwest Sep 2014 #37
I just got home from work, thanks for the update, freshwest. sheshe2 Sep 2014 #38
why isn't the intruder dead? underthematrix Sep 2014 #5
The Secret Service is better trained than the Ferguson Police Department. n/t Gore1FL Sep 2014 #39
+1000. nt awoke_in_2003 Sep 2014 #51
why wasn't Hinkley or Fromme dead? jberryhill Sep 2014 #56
This *is* strange, given that it turns out his name is Omar Gonzalez SorellaLaBefana Sep 2014 #84
DEVELOPING STORY: White House fence jumper triggers evacuation, president not there. More details to steve2470 Sep 2014 #6
That's ... surprisingly lax security, isn't it? bigworld Sep 2014 #8
Jumping the fence is easy... awoke_in_2003 Sep 2014 #52
And just WHY is it easy? kentauros Sep 2014 #54
Because it is a major tourist attraction, not a fort jberryhill Sep 2014 #57
yep steve2470 Sep 2014 #63
That doesn't mean it can't be designed better. kentauros Sep 2014 #72
I think it would be difficult unless you're using barbed wire wordpix Sep 2014 #78
No, wrought-iron can be quite beautiful kentauros Sep 2014 #80
secret service armed here steve2470 Sep 2014 #9
intruder in custody after jumping fence, via @ChrisJansing steve2470 Sep 2014 #10
Thanks for the updates. In_The_Wind Sep 2014 #12
my pleasure, having to sift chaff from grain here nt steve2470 Sep 2014 #13
possible still from video, of the intruder ? steve2470 Sep 2014 #15
Good grief, some of those responses on that page are creepy! freshwest Sep 2014 #22
facebook, part useful, part sewer, yes ! nt steve2470 Sep 2014 #30
you can see the security figure at the kiosk start to move quickly towards the guy running tomm2thumbs Sep 2014 #33
yep, good eyes nt steve2470 Sep 2014 #34
He isn't even being pursued! rocktivity Sep 2014 #59
why pursue someone running towards you? jberryhill Sep 2014 #66
He managed to get past a door rocktivity Sep 2014 #73
the outcome suggests they know what they are doing jberryhill Sep 2014 #75
Was it Will Ferrell? Earth_First Sep 2014 #11
.. Dont call me Shirley Sep 2014 #17
Around here albino65 Sep 2014 #14
He wus a chumper wonst or twiest nah? Dont call me Shirley Sep 2014 #18
Yah albino65 Sep 2014 #19
Chees o wizs nah Dont call me Shirley Sep 2014 #35
video here ? steve2470 Sep 2014 #16
Yes. I can see it. Creepy twitter response says he's a pawn, a test run on security. freshwest Sep 2014 #31
fence jumper undeterred Sep 2014 #20
Beautiful! Had some Limousin cattle grazing on my place... and a fence story: freshwest Sep 2014 #36
Wow what a huge animal undeterred Sep 2014 #79
Yes they are! I think they're over a ton on four legs. Best not to get in their way. freshwest Sep 2014 #81
This message was self-deleted by its author man4allcats Sep 2014 #21
Could have easily been a Suicide by Cop attempt. n/t eggplant Sep 2014 #24
Was it McCain? SummerSnow Sep 2014 #25
McCain, yep, running for the WH again! lol n/t RKP5637 Sep 2014 #41
DuZy! treestar Sep 2014 #74
Hah! Prolly true. McCain is NUTS! TheDebbieDee Sep 2014 #42
jumper may have been shot ? steve2470 Sep 2014 #28
Could have just been to restrain him. I think if gunshots were fired it'd be in the news? freshwest Sep 2014 #45
yea good point about the gunshots nt steve2470 Sep 2014 #49
They caught him! ErikJ Sep 2014 #29
Cutest lil criminal in the world... TheDebbieDee Sep 2014 #44
Wouldn't a lock down be more appropriate? liberal N proud Sep 2014 #32
If there was ever a situation in which the law enforcement guys should ventilate the jumper, and Aristus Sep 2014 #40
I'd have to agree steve2470 Sep 2014 #43
Or wait to sign up for a tour of the White House... freshwest Sep 2014 #47
yes, another good way, you might get lucky ! nt steve2470 Sep 2014 #48
A lot of news outlets Unknown Beatle Sep 2014 #46
@AP: BREAKING: Secret Service says fence-jumper made it through North Portico doors of White House Hissyspit Sep 2014 #50
He should have been terminated n/t itsrobert Sep 2014 #53
Not if they could take him alive. n/t Gore1FL Sep 2014 #55
That's a chance you don't take itsrobert Sep 2014 #58
There's pedestrians and motorists within shooting distance steve2470 Sep 2014 #62
and what if shooting him makes it go off? jberryhill Sep 2014 #67
How big of a bomb can someone carry and run that fast? Gore1FL Sep 2014 #69
"information is more easier obtained from a live person" jberryhill Sep 2014 #76
UPDATE: He made it INTO the doors of the White House: freshwest Sep 2014 #60
my pleasure, and yes it was very humane steve2470 Sep 2014 #61
My answer is that we're NOT living in that PoliceState© people love to talk about. freshwest Sep 2014 #64
yep, no police state for sure ! nt steve2470 Sep 2014 #65
But think of the ratings! Hey, I gotta call it a night. Nice chatting with you, steve. freshwest Sep 2014 #68
have a great weekend ! :) nt steve2470 Sep 2014 #82
a very paranoid person might see this as a warning to Obama yurbud Sep 2014 #85
The agency said in a statement... rocktivity Sep 2014 #83
Texas man. nt RandiFan1290 Sep 2014 #70
Remember when a fence jumper made it into the Queen's bedroom? marshall Sep 2014 #71
Only "part" had to be evacuated? candelista Sep 2014 #77

itsrobert

(14,157 posts)
2. Got close to the White House
Fri Sep 19, 2014, 07:45 PM
Sep 2014

Not actually in is the reporting going on now. Over the fence, yes. Inside, no.

rocktivity

(44,576 posts)
7. If they haven't caught him yet, and if they don't seem to know where he is
Fri Sep 19, 2014, 07:54 PM
Sep 2014

Last edited Sat Sep 20, 2014, 01:24 AM - Edit history (1)

wouldn't lockdown be a smarter tactic? That would ensure that no one could get in.

ON EDIT: And it turns out that he DID get past a door!


rocktivity

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
23. Here's an ABC/AP page:
Fri Sep 19, 2014, 09:13 PM
Sep 2014


...The incident occurred just minutes after President Barack Obama and his daughters left the White House on Friday evening aboard Marine One on their way to Camp David, the presidential retreat in Maryland where Obama and his family were to spend the weekend.

White House staffers and Associated Press journalists inside the West Wing were evacuated by Secret Service officers, some with their weapons drawn. A Secret Service agent at the scene said someone had jumped over the fence on the north side of the White House.

Those evacuated were later allowed back into the White House, but the area remained closed to pedestrian traffic.

Last week, on the anniversary of the Sept. 11 attacks, the Secret Service apprehended a man who jumped over the North Fence of the White House. Officers drew their firearms and used a service dog as they took the man in custody.


http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory/fence-jumper-white-house-sparks-evacuation-25637596

Haven't been able to get the video of the man jumping the fence to work or any pictures of the jumper.

steve2470

(37,457 posts)
26. I have a link from instagram that shows some video of the jumper...
Fri Sep 19, 2014, 09:17 PM
Sep 2014

waiting for word of what happened to this guy.

sheshe2

(83,791 posts)
38. I just got home from work, thanks for the update, freshwest.
Fri Sep 19, 2014, 10:23 PM
Sep 2014

Far to many death threats to Obama. It gives me shivers that this happened only minutes before leaving for Camp David. So glad the family was safe.

SorellaLaBefana

(146 posts)
84. This *is* strange, given that it turns out his name is Omar Gonzalez
Sun Sep 21, 2014, 09:53 AM
Sep 2014

One would have thought ...

Personally however, one is quite happy that he was not simply shot down in the casual manner in which American "law enforcement" officers are becoming known for.


Cop Shoots Dead an Unarmed, Tased and Subdued Teen, “We don’t have time for this” Bang!



... the Southport Police Officer that had instructed the other officers to use their tasers, moved between the father and the pile of people on the floor and said “We don’t have time for this” and shot Vidal Once in the chest as the other two Officers held him on the floor.

Vidal’s father then grabbed the officer as he was lining himself up for another shot... http://thefreethoughtproject.com/cop-shoots-dead-unarmed-tased-subdued-teen-we-time-this-bang/


In 1994 the US Congress ordered the US Attorney General to publish reports annually on the use of excessive force by police - the nation still waits for the first of these reports to be published.


"Excess is in the eyes of the beholder" says one cop ... http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2014/01/14/22293714-what-is-police-brutality-depends-on-where-you-live?lite

steve2470

(37,457 posts)
6. DEVELOPING STORY: White House fence jumper triggers evacuation, president not there. More details to
Fri Sep 19, 2014, 07:53 PM
Sep 2014

DEVELOPING STORY: White House fence jumper triggers evacuation, president not there. More details to come...

banner headline, http://www.wjla.com/

kentauros

(29,414 posts)
54. And just WHY is it easy?
Fri Sep 19, 2014, 11:45 PM
Sep 2014

Wouldn't it make more sense to have a fence that is not at all easy to jump? This appears to be the biggest flaw in the whole situation.

steve2470

(37,457 posts)
63. yep
Sat Sep 20, 2014, 02:07 AM
Sep 2014

and until that changes, if it ever does, security measures have to be restrained. Maybe the fence can be higher ? I don't know.

kentauros

(29,414 posts)
72. That doesn't mean it can't be designed better.
Sat Sep 20, 2014, 10:42 AM
Sep 2014

A wrought-iron fence like that can still look fantabulous and yet keep people out without anyone noticing. Your use of "fort" implies I meant to make it into a concrete wall, which could not be further from my mind.

Really, I'm surprised the Secret Service allows it to be so easily jumped. Designing it to keep people from getting over the top it isn't difficult.

wordpix

(18,652 posts)
78. I think it would be difficult unless you're using barbed wire
Sat Sep 20, 2014, 12:30 PM
Sep 2014

again, that would make the WH look fort-like

kentauros

(29,414 posts)
80. No, wrought-iron can be quite beautiful
Sat Sep 20, 2014, 02:05 PM
Sep 2014

and still be difficult to ford. It only takes some imagination. Really, even if the person does manage to get over it, it would take more time to do so if the top were better designed (even if simply done in an artistic manner) such that the SS would have plenty of time to prevent that one even making it to the other side.

Looking for wrought iron fencing online doesn't help here. It's all mass-produced, with very little of the artistic medium represented. It's a fantastic medium for working in metal, allowing so much in the way of twisting, looping, and yes, sharp points. Just make it a little higher, twist the top points around in ways that make it difficult to get not only a good handhold, but to get one's body up and over. People might even appreciate it for the art of it, without ever recognizing any hidden security within the design


Here's an example of artistic fencing (by Albert Paley) :

tomm2thumbs

(13,297 posts)
33. you can see the security figure at the kiosk start to move quickly towards the guy running
Fri Sep 19, 2014, 10:01 PM
Sep 2014

Bet he headed him off at the shrubs, or at least tracked him around back

rocktivity

(44,576 posts)
59. He isn't even being pursued!
Sat Sep 20, 2014, 01:54 AM
Sep 2014

Obama's secret service is turning into a vaudville act! There was that business in The Netherlands, and Columbia, that gate-crashing couple, the the agents who sent sexual harassment letters -- and that's just what we know about!


rocktivity

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
66. why pursue someone running towards you?
Sat Sep 20, 2014, 03:00 AM
Sep 2014

I don't know if you are familiar with the layout, but what is the point of pursuing him and from where?

He's running right into capture and the Obama's aren't there anyway.

rocktivity

(44,576 posts)
73. He managed to get past a door
Sat Sep 20, 2014, 11:15 AM
Sep 2014

Last edited Sat Sep 20, 2014, 12:52 PM - Edit history (1)

That simply should have been locked when the guard saw him coming. Assuming, of course, that someone is guarding the all the entrances at all times.


rocktivity

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
36. Beautiful! Had some Limousin cattle grazing on my place... and a fence story:
Fri Sep 19, 2014, 10:16 PM
Sep 2014


A neighbor leashed my pasture and had other cattle across the road. One afternoon I noticed her bull walking up to the fence which was like the one in your picture.

The wires were cinched tight, but he walked it down. One hoof on the bottom wire, PING! Down went the supports on either side, pulling down a few spans of wire past that one. Then the next, PING! And so on. Until he brought down the last strand and began to straddle the fence, but then he stopped.

He'd been very quiet and deliberate the whole time he was doing this. He was full grown, it wasn't like I was interested in getting between him and his goal, which turned out to be a few cows who were calling to him.

He'd looked down to check his uh, equipment, for the job he planned to do and in particular, his scrotum, which was rather low. So he considered the dilemma carefully. I thought that was the end of it.

I ran to the inside to call his owner but when I got out to wait for her, he'd made it across the road to the gate, with his little group of cows right behind him. By then his owner arrived and she unlocked the gate and let him in the other pasture.

I asked, how could he do that to my fence? It's barbed wire! It was up tight, and all of that!

She just laughed and said...

'Oh, a barbed wire fence? That's just a suggestion to 'em. They can get out anytime.'

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
81. Yes they are! I think they're over a ton on four legs. Best not to get in their way.
Sat Sep 20, 2014, 02:11 PM
Sep 2014

But they're bred to be gentle and easy going. The 'barbed wire is just a suggestion' part that got to me!

It indicates bovines aren't as incognizant as supposed. They have their priorities. And the bull in question was much larger than the pic.

I could never have pastured horses with the kind of fence and pasture I had. They require much better than I could afford to offer.

Beef cattle eat and do things that would put a human in the hospital. Living on the range is not without its perils.

Glad you enjoyed seeing that gorgeous animal. I enjoyed them, they are cool creatures. I didn't own any, just offered pasture. I wasn't all that 'countrified,' or whatever one calls a rancher or farmer.

I loved living on that land, but life had other plans for me, and I really miss it.

Response to itsrobert (Original post)

steve2470

(37,457 posts)
28. jumper may have been shot ?
Fri Sep 19, 2014, 09:20 PM
Sep 2014
A CNN crew saw Secret Service agents standing over what appeared to be a man on the North Portico.

A man believed to be the suspect was later seen being loaded onto an ambulance.


http://pix11.com/2014/09/19/part-of-white-house-evacuated-report/

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
45. Could have just been to restrain him. I think if gunshots were fired it'd be in the news?
Fri Sep 19, 2014, 10:52 PM
Sep 2014
https://instagram.com/p/tJV-qKFCnz/embed/

Appears to be running at a dead heat, and in a determined manner.

liberal N proud

(60,336 posts)
32. Wouldn't a lock down be more appropriate?
Fri Sep 19, 2014, 09:53 PM
Sep 2014

If someone had breached the grounds, sending everyone inside, outside would be counter initiative.


Aristus

(66,388 posts)
40. If there was ever a situation in which the law enforcement guys should ventilate the jumper, and
Fri Sep 19, 2014, 10:28 PM
Sep 2014
then ask questions, this is it. No one jumping the fence and making a break for the White House has the best interests of the President and his family in mind...

steve2470

(37,457 posts)
43. I'd have to agree
Fri Sep 19, 2014, 10:38 PM
Sep 2014

If there was a way to suicide oneself by cop, this is about the best way possible. You want to talk to the President ? Make an appointment if you can, or send a snail mail letter that's well written.

Unknown Beatle

(2,672 posts)
46. A lot of news outlets
Fri Sep 19, 2014, 10:52 PM
Sep 2014

were asking for permission to use the video on the instagram responses to the man that posted it.

Hissyspit

(45,788 posts)
50. @AP: BREAKING: Secret Service says fence-jumper made it through North Portico doors of White House
Fri Sep 19, 2014, 11:24 PM
Sep 2014

@AP: BREAKING: Secret Service says fence-jumper made it through North Portico doors of White House

m.twitter.com/AP

steve2470

(37,457 posts)
62. There's pedestrians and motorists within shooting distance
Sat Sep 20, 2014, 02:05 AM
Sep 2014

Until that situation changes, if it ever changes, the agents have to be very careful about firing weapons.

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
67. and what if shooting him makes it go off?
Sat Sep 20, 2014, 03:04 AM
Sep 2014

They'd much rather take him alive and find out what he's about.

Did they shoot Hinckley? Nope

Did they shoot Fromme? Nope

A lot of people work in the White House. Not a trigger happy place.

Gore1FL

(21,132 posts)
69. How big of a bomb can someone carry and run that fast?
Sat Sep 20, 2014, 04:29 AM
Sep 2014

If we are playing "what if," the what if the what-if-bomb was triggered by him releasing a switch? In such a scenario the bomb most assuredly detonates.

I'd like to know who sent him, if someone did. I'd like to know why he did it. That information is more easier obtained from a live person. I'm not dismissing forensics, but this allows a lot more questions to be answered. Depending on the underlying story, that could be extremely important.

I am sure they would have shot him if they had to. From what I've seen of current events, I wish all law enforcement would show such restraint.

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
60. UPDATE: He made it INTO the doors of the White House:
Sat Sep 20, 2014, 01:54 AM
Sep 2014
Fence-jumper makes it into the White House, sparks evacuation

By ABC News, CNN, Associated Press
Updated: September 19, 2014 - 11:39 pm


A Secret Service agent gives directions during an evacuation from the White House, Sept. 19, 2014, in Washington. (AP photo)

...Secret Service spokesman Ed Donovan said a 42-year-old man jumped the North Fence and ran toward the White House, but appeared to officers to be unarmed. He was apprehended just inside the North Portico doors of the presidential residence...

Donovan said the man was arrested and was taken by ambulance to a Washington hospital because he complained of chest pain...

Those evacuated were later allowed back into the White House, but the area remained closed to pedestrian traffic...

http://www.wjla.com/articles/2014/09/fence-jumper-at-white-house-sparks-evacuation-107324.html

This is the restrained and humane behavior I've come to expect of this administration in dealing with Americans.

Thanks, itsrobert and steve for keeping on this story.

steve2470

(37,457 posts)
61. my pleasure, and yes it was very humane
Sat Sep 20, 2014, 02:00 AM
Sep 2014

I can understand fence jumpers making it X yards onto the lawn and away from the WH. But INTO the WH doors ? Many hard questions need to be asked and answered.

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
64. My answer is that we're NOT living in that PoliceState© people love to talk about.
Sat Sep 20, 2014, 02:27 AM
Sep 2014
And the killer drones weren't employed to kill him, were they? Just how boring is peace, anyway?

yurbud

(39,405 posts)
85. a very paranoid person might see this as a warning to Obama
Sun Sep 21, 2014, 03:26 PM
Sep 2014

If you don't color between the lines the deep state has drawn for you, a "security lapse" could get you or your family killed.

I suspect something similar was at work when the press suddenly noticed a gay male prostitute pretending to be a reporter in the White House press corps. If Bush strayed too far from what he was supposed to do, it was a gentle reminder that his dirty laundry could hit the 24 hour loop the way Bubba's did for a decade straight.

rocktivity

(44,576 posts)
83. The agency said in a statement...
Sat Sep 20, 2014, 11:32 PM
Sep 2014

Last edited Sun Sep 21, 2014, 12:35 PM - Edit history (3)

"Every day the Secret Service is challenged to ensure security at the White House complex while still allowing public accessibility to a national historical site...Although last night the officers showed tremendous restraint and discipline in dealing with this subject, the location of Gonzalez's arrest is not acceptable."

Their "tremendous restraint and discipline" are probably the reasons why someone decided to take a crack at driving through the White House gate the very next day. If the White House had been able to report that Gonzalez had literally been stopped in his tracks (but not necessarily fatally), the odds are that there wouldn't have been a second arrest in less than 24 hours.
(link)


rocktivity

marshall

(6,665 posts)
71. Remember when a fence jumper made it into the Queen's bedroom?
Sat Sep 20, 2014, 07:59 AM
Sep 2014

These people have a fascination with the private lives of famous people. Luckily the Queen was able to calmly talk to the man until help could arrive. But it did lead to the tabloid revelation that the Queen and her husband had separate bedrooms.

 

candelista

(1,986 posts)
77. Only "part" had to be evacuated?
Sat Sep 20, 2014, 11:26 AM
Sep 2014

I guess they didn't need to evacuate the basement, the sub-basement, the catacombs, the wine cellar and the bottomless pit beneath the Dome.

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