Part of White House 'being evacuated'
Source: Reuters
White House is being evacuated after a fence jumper got over. Guards with guns drawn. pic.twitter.com/DRCP3QsIpW
http://www.itv.com/news/update/2014-09-20/part-of-white-house-evacuated/
Part of White House 'being evacuated'
Part of the White House has been evacuated following a reported security alert, a witness has told Reuters.
Initial media reports suggested a person managed to jump over the fence moments after President Obama departed.
Read more: http://www.itv.com/news/update/2014-09-20/part-of-white-house-evacuated/
rocktivity
(44,576 posts)and INTO the White House?
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itsrobert
(14,157 posts)Not actually in is the reporting going on now. Over the fence, yes. Inside, no.
rocktivity
(44,576 posts)Last edited Sat Sep 20, 2014, 01:24 AM - Edit history (1)
wouldn't lockdown be a smarter tactic? That would ensure that no one could get in.
ON EDIT: And it turns out that he DID get past a door!
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Anansi1171
(793 posts)steve2470
(37,457 posts)freshwest
(53,661 posts)...The incident occurred just minutes after President Barack Obama and his daughters left the White House on Friday evening aboard Marine One on their way to Camp David, the presidential retreat in Maryland where Obama and his family were to spend the weekend.
White House staffers and Associated Press journalists inside the West Wing were evacuated by Secret Service officers, some with their weapons drawn. A Secret Service agent at the scene said someone had jumped over the fence on the north side of the White House.
Those evacuated were later allowed back into the White House, but the area remained closed to pedestrian traffic.
Last week, on the anniversary of the Sept. 11 attacks, the Secret Service apprehended a man who jumped over the North Fence of the White House. Officers drew their firearms and used a service dog as they took the man in custody.
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory/fence-jumper-white-house-sparks-evacuation-25637596
Haven't been able to get the video of the man jumping the fence to work or any pictures of the jumper.
steve2470
(37,457 posts)waiting for word of what happened to this guy.
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(37,457 posts)freshwest
(53,661 posts)sheshe2
(83,791 posts)Far to many death threats to Obama. It gives me shivers that this happened only minutes before leaving for Camp David. So glad the family was safe.
underthematrix
(5,811 posts)Gore1FL
(21,132 posts)awoke_in_2003
(34,582 posts)jberryhill
(62,444 posts)SorellaLaBefana
(146 posts)One would have thought ...
Personally however, one is quite happy that he was not simply shot down in the casual manner in which American "law enforcement" officers are becoming known for.
Cop Shoots Dead an Unarmed, Tased and Subdued Teen, We dont have time for this Bang!
... the Southport Police Officer that had instructed the other officers to use their tasers, moved between the father and the pile of people on the floor and said We dont have time for this and shot Vidal Once in the chest as the other two Officers held him on the floor.
Vidals father then grabbed the officer as he was lining himself up for another shot... http://thefreethoughtproject.com/cop-shoots-dead-unarmed-tased-subdued-teen-we-time-this-bang/
In 1994 the US Congress ordered the US Attorney General to publish reports annually on the use of excessive force by police - the nation still waits for the first of these reports to be published.
"Excess is in the eyes of the beholder" says one cop ... http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2014/01/14/22293714-what-is-police-brutality-depends-on-where-you-live?lite
steve2470
(37,457 posts)DEVELOPING STORY: White House fence jumper triggers evacuation, president not there. More details to come...
banner headline, http://www.wjla.com/
bigworld
(1,807 posts)awoke_in_2003
(34,582 posts)making it very far isn't.
kentauros
(29,414 posts)Wouldn't it make more sense to have a fence that is not at all easy to jump? This appears to be the biggest flaw in the whole situation.
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)steve2470
(37,457 posts)and until that changes, if it ever does, security measures have to be restrained. Maybe the fence can be higher ? I don't know.
kentauros
(29,414 posts)A wrought-iron fence like that can still look fantabulous and yet keep people out without anyone noticing. Your use of "fort" implies I meant to make it into a concrete wall, which could not be further from my mind.
Really, I'm surprised the Secret Service allows it to be so easily jumped. Designing it to keep people from getting over the top it isn't difficult.
wordpix
(18,652 posts)again, that would make the WH look fort-like
kentauros
(29,414 posts)and still be difficult to ford. It only takes some imagination. Really, even if the person does manage to get over it, it would take more time to do so if the top were better designed (even if simply done in an artistic manner) such that the SS would have plenty of time to prevent that one even making it to the other side.
Looking for wrought iron fencing online doesn't help here. It's all mass-produced, with very little of the artistic medium represented. It's a fantastic medium for working in metal, allowing so much in the way of twisting, looping, and yes, sharp points. Just make it a little higher, twist the top points around in ways that make it difficult to get not only a good handhold, but to get one's body up and over. People might even appreciate it for the art of it, without ever recognizing any hidden security within the design
Here's an example of artistic fencing (by Albert Paley) :
steve2470
(37,457 posts)steve2470
(37,457 posts)In_The_Wind
(72,300 posts)steve2470
(37,457 posts)steve2470
(37,457 posts)VIDEO shows intruder running to the White House, triggering security alert http://on.fb.me/1v1srvg
https://twitter.com/PzFeed/status/513117098772807681
freshwest
(53,661 posts)steve2470
(37,457 posts)tomm2thumbs
(13,297 posts)Bet he headed him off at the shrubs, or at least tracked him around back
steve2470
(37,457 posts)rocktivity
(44,576 posts)Obama's secret service is turning into a vaudville act! There was that business in The Netherlands, and Columbia, that gate-crashing couple, the the agents who sent sexual harassment letters -- and that's just what we know about!
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jberryhill
(62,444 posts)I don't know if you are familiar with the layout, but what is the point of pursuing him and from where?
He's running right into capture and the Obama's aren't there anyway.
rocktivity
(44,576 posts)Last edited Sat Sep 20, 2014, 12:52 PM - Edit history (1)
That simply should have been locked when the guard saw him coming. Assuming, of course, that someone is guarding the all the entrances at all times.
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jberryhill
(62,444 posts)Earth_First
(14,910 posts)Dont call me Shirley
(10,998 posts)albino65
(484 posts)A fence chumper is an Amish person who went over to the English.
Dont call me Shirley
(10,998 posts)albino65
(484 posts)Dont call me Shirley
(10,998 posts)steve2470
(37,457 posts)freshwest
(53,661 posts)undeterred
(34,658 posts)freshwest
(53,661 posts)A neighbor leashed my pasture and had other cattle across the road. One afternoon I noticed her bull walking up to the fence which was like the one in your picture.
The wires were cinched tight, but he walked it down. One hoof on the bottom wire, PING! Down went the supports on either side, pulling down a few spans of wire past that one. Then the next, PING! And so on. Until he brought down the last strand and began to straddle the fence, but then he stopped.
He'd been very quiet and deliberate the whole time he was doing this. He was full grown, it wasn't like I was interested in getting between him and his goal, which turned out to be a few cows who were calling to him.
He'd looked down to check his uh, equipment, for the job he planned to do and in particular, his scrotum, which was rather low. So he considered the dilemma carefully. I thought that was the end of it.
I ran to the inside to call his owner but when I got out to wait for her, he'd made it across the road to the gate, with his little group of cows right behind him. By then his owner arrived and she unlocked the gate and let him in the other pasture.
I asked, how could he do that to my fence? It's barbed wire! It was up tight, and all of that!
She just laughed and said...
'Oh, a barbed wire fence? That's just a suggestion to 'em. They can get out anytime.'
undeterred
(34,658 posts)Great story, thanks!
freshwest
(53,661 posts)But they're bred to be gentle and easy going. The 'barbed wire is just a suggestion' part that got to me!
It indicates bovines aren't as incognizant as supposed. They have their priorities. And the bull in question was much larger than the pic.
I could never have pastured horses with the kind of fence and pasture I had. They require much better than I could afford to offer.
Beef cattle eat and do things that would put a human in the hospital. Living on the range is not without its perils.
Glad you enjoyed seeing that gorgeous animal. I enjoyed them, they are cool creatures. I didn't own any, just offered pasture. I wasn't all that 'countrified,' or whatever one calls a rancher or farmer.
I loved living on that land, but life had other plans for me, and I really miss it.
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eggplant
(3,911 posts)SummerSnow
(12,608 posts)RKP5637
(67,111 posts)TheDebbieDee
(11,119 posts)steve2470
(37,457 posts)A man believed to be the suspect was later seen being loaded onto an ambulance.
http://pix11.com/2014/09/19/part-of-white-house-evacuated-report/
freshwest
(53,661 posts)Appears to be running at a dead heat, and in a determined manner.
steve2470
(37,457 posts)ErikJ
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TheDebbieDee
(11,119 posts)liberal N proud
(60,336 posts)If someone had breached the grounds, sending everyone inside, outside would be counter initiative.
Aristus
(66,388 posts)steve2470
(37,457 posts)If there was a way to suicide oneself by cop, this is about the best way possible. You want to talk to the President ? Make an appointment if you can, or send a snail mail letter that's well written.
freshwest
(53,661 posts)steve2470
(37,457 posts)Unknown Beatle
(2,672 posts)were asking for permission to use the video on the instagram responses to the man that posted it.
Hissyspit
(45,788 posts)@AP: BREAKING: Secret Service says fence-jumper made it through North Portico doors of White House
m.twitter.com/AP
itsrobert
(14,157 posts)n/t
Gore1FL
(21,132 posts)itsrobert
(14,157 posts)What if he had a bomb on him?
steve2470
(37,457 posts)Until that situation changes, if it ever changes, the agents have to be very careful about firing weapons.
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)They'd much rather take him alive and find out what he's about.
Did they shoot Hinckley? Nope
Did they shoot Fromme? Nope
A lot of people work in the White House. Not a trigger happy place.
Gore1FL
(21,132 posts)If we are playing "what if," the what if the what-if-bomb was triggered by him releasing a switch? In such a scenario the bomb most assuredly detonates.
I'd like to know who sent him, if someone did. I'd like to know why he did it. That information is more easier obtained from a live person. I'm not dismissing forensics, but this allows a lot more questions to be answered. Depending on the underlying story, that could be extremely important.
I am sure they would have shot him if they had to. From what I've seen of current events, I wish all law enforcement would show such restraint.
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)Yep
freshwest
(53,661 posts)By ABC News, CNN, Associated Press
Updated: September 19, 2014 - 11:39 pm
A Secret Service agent gives directions during an evacuation from the White House, Sept. 19, 2014, in Washington. (AP photo)
...Secret Service spokesman Ed Donovan said a 42-year-old man jumped the North Fence and ran toward the White House, but appeared to officers to be unarmed. He was apprehended just inside the North Portico doors of the presidential residence...
Donovan said the man was arrested and was taken by ambulance to a Washington hospital because he complained of chest pain...
Those evacuated were later allowed back into the White House, but the area remained closed to pedestrian traffic...
http://www.wjla.com/articles/2014/09/fence-jumper-at-white-house-sparks-evacuation-107324.html
This is the restrained and humane behavior I've come to expect of this administration in dealing with Americans.
Thanks, itsrobert and steve for keeping on this story.
steve2470
(37,457 posts)I can understand fence jumpers making it X yards onto the lawn and away from the WH. But INTO the WH doors ? Many hard questions need to be asked and answered.
freshwest
(53,661 posts)steve2470
(37,457 posts)freshwest
(53,661 posts)steve2470
(37,457 posts)yurbud
(39,405 posts)If you don't color between the lines the deep state has drawn for you, a "security lapse" could get you or your family killed.
I suspect something similar was at work when the press suddenly noticed a gay male prostitute pretending to be a reporter in the White House press corps. If Bush strayed too far from what he was supposed to do, it was a gentle reminder that his dirty laundry could hit the 24 hour loop the way Bubba's did for a decade straight.
rocktivity
(44,576 posts)Last edited Sun Sep 21, 2014, 12:35 PM - Edit history (3)
Their "tremendous restraint and discipline" are probably the reasons why someone decided to take a crack at driving through the White House gate the very next day. If the White House had been able to report that Gonzalez had literally been stopped in his tracks (but not necessarily fatally), the odds are that there wouldn't have been a second arrest in less than 24 hours.
(link)
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RandiFan1290
(6,237 posts)marshall
(6,665 posts)These people have a fascination with the private lives of famous people. Luckily the Queen was able to calmly talk to the man until help could arrive. But it did lead to the tabloid revelation that the Queen and her husband had separate bedrooms.
candelista
(1,986 posts)I guess they didn't need to evacuate the basement, the sub-basement, the catacombs, the wine cellar and the bottomless pit beneath the Dome.