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Purveyor

(29,876 posts)
Sun Sep 21, 2014, 01:47 PM Sep 2014

Samantha Power: Syrian Rebels' Training Will Also Aid in Fight Against Assad

Last edited Sun Sep 21, 2014, 07:48 PM - Edit history (1)

Source: NBC NEWS

The U.S. ambassador to the United Nations said Sunday that training of moderate rebels in Syria will help both U.S. efforts to destroy the terror group known as ISIS and the rebels' ongoing struggle against the regime of President Bashar al-Assad. Ambassador Samantha Power told NBC's Chuck Todd that the rebels know their arming and training by the U.S. is intended to help degrade the Islamic terror organization.

"But may I add, the training also will service these troops in the same struggle that they've been in since the beginning of this conflict against the Assad regime," she said in an interview on NBC's Meet the Press. Last August, President Barack Obama indicated that he was prepared to launch a military strike in Syria after Assad's regime used chemical weapons against its own people. But, without strong support in Congress or from the American support, that plan dissolved.

Read more: http://www.mynextfone.co.uk/meetthepress/the-u-s-ambassador-to-the-united-nations-said-sunday-that-h35398.html

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Samantha Power: Syrian Rebels' Training Will Also Aid in Fight Against Assad (Original Post) Purveyor Sep 2014 OP
... CJCRANE Sep 2014 #1
Surprise! Anansi1171 Sep 2014 #2
So regime change is the goal. Figured as much Autumn Sep 2014 #3
Everyone knows it Aerows Sep 2014 #5
Samantha made it clear as a bell on toads show this morning. Autumn Sep 2014 #7
Apparently Aerows Sep 2014 #14
Whoa whoa jamzrockz Sep 2014 #23
But this time it's different! For honest! Scootaloo Sep 2014 #26
our foreign policy doesn't make as much sense as most conspiracy theories. yurbud Sep 2014 #40
And here comes the real reason Aerows Sep 2014 #4
And the sky is blue. Thanks for the update, Madame Obvious, Ms. Powers. Wonder if Assad caught on. Fred Sanders Sep 2014 #6
US war on Assad brought us ISIS. Maybe ISIS can replace Assad giving the US a victory :0 nt msongs Sep 2014 #8
Incorrect DallasNE Sep 2014 #29
That's ISIS, Chapter 1. ISIS Chapter 2 begins in Syria... Comrade Grumpy Sep 2014 #30
If the al-Assad regime falls you can expect . . FairWinds Sep 2014 #9
THIS is why ISIS is taunting US into a war, IMO. To take out Assad. Dems to Win Sep 2014 #10
This sounds plausible flamingdem Sep 2014 #13
When they topple Assad Aerows Sep 2014 #15
What happened in Libya? CJCRANE Sep 2014 #17
Saudi Arabia wants a Sunni ruler of Syria, I don't think they really care if its a fundie Dems to Win Sep 2014 #24
There will inevitably be unintended consequences from arming another group in the region CentralMass Sep 2014 #11
Maybe they will have a wonderful Spring just like in Libya seveneyes Sep 2014 #12
What a goober she is. "Would they lie to us? We're the USA!" nt bemildred Sep 2014 #16
I wonder if Powers is a loose cannon flamingdem Sep 2014 #18
"Assad must go" has been our policy for several years. The FSA exists to take him TwilightGardener Sep 2014 #21
The pentagon said the same thing. This is the policy. morningfog Sep 2014 #36
No, she is a ginger Paul Wolfowitz AngryAmish Sep 2014 #39
do Obamaforce Rebels have a flag? quadrature Sep 2014 #19
I just posted an article about that here flamingdem Sep 2014 #20
I am SO starting a band called The Moderate Rebels n/t Bossy Monkey Sep 2014 #22
So...Samantha Power's Says...But, the Devil is in the Details KoKo Sep 2014 #25
Arming a group so that it can fight a two front war daleo Sep 2014 #27
This is about a gas pipeline to Europe to cut dependence on Russian gas Cayenne Sep 2014 #28
Now that's the most convincing rationale for the ISIS smokescreen I've seen. hedda_foil Sep 2014 #31
Chaos in Iraq and eastern Syria prevents the Iran-Iraq-Syria pipeline and favors the Qatari one jakeXT Sep 2014 #32
And no guarantees from an Assad successor either Cayenne Sep 2014 #33
So our old pal Assad wouldn't play ball like the oiligarchs wanted... hedda_foil Sep 2014 #34
Getting Europe off Russian gas is not an all bad idea though Cayenne Sep 2014 #35
The map fails to show who lives where in Syria.... happyslug Sep 2014 #37
If they don't just join ISIS, like most of the rest already have. Xithras Sep 2014 #38
 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
5. Everyone knows it
Sun Sep 21, 2014, 02:13 PM
Sep 2014

A handful of people are cheering all of this on are saying that it isn't because they realize it isn't popular, but if you listen to what even military and political officials are saying, they've made it clear as day what the mission is.

I believe the phrase is "don't piss on my leg and tell me it is raining" when even the very people coordinating this fiasco are saying to expect a drought!

Autumn

(45,120 posts)
7. Samantha made it clear as a bell on toads show this morning.
Sun Sep 21, 2014, 02:17 PM
Sep 2014

You can tell the differerence though piss is warm and yellow, rain is cool and refreshing. It gripes me that they think we are so stupid.

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
14. Apparently
Sun Sep 21, 2014, 04:01 PM
Sep 2014

plenty of people do think the American people are stupid enough to fall for this.

Take note of those who are all for this, because they will be the very same people that are all for something equally unwise.

 

jamzrockz

(1,333 posts)
23. Whoa whoa
Sun Sep 21, 2014, 06:41 PM
Sep 2014

slow down man, we have some big time conspiracy theorists tell us that Assad is secretly in support of US intervention in Syria. You mean to tell me that even he doesn't know that all this fight against ISIS is a ruse to get the US into helping the rebels depose him?

Lol, what some people will say to support another stupid policy of removing a secular leader in the Middle east.

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
4. And here comes the real reason
Sun Sep 21, 2014, 02:10 PM
Sep 2014

for the US getting involved. I've been told that I'm living in fantasy land about the true objectives of our mission in Syria.

Perhaps some of those who say that could step up to the plate and discuss why Ambassador Power admits that one goal is to topple Assad.

But carry on, all who directly or indirectly deny that this is part of the mission. I'll just wait until enough government and military officials say it outright for those who insist it is conspiracy theory to stop discussing it because it will only draw attention to the folly this will become.

DallasNE

(7,403 posts)
29. Incorrect
Mon Sep 22, 2014, 01:57 AM
Sep 2014

ISIS has former Saddam Hussein generals directing the military operation. The US war on Iraq brought us ISIS where they then took safe haven in Syria and opened their arms to anti-Assad malcontents to strengthen their ranks. It is unlikely that any of this would be happening today had Bush not decided to avenge Saddam's plot to assassinate George H. W. Bush.

 

Comrade Grumpy

(13,184 posts)
30. That's ISIS, Chapter 1. ISIS Chapter 2 begins in Syria...
Mon Sep 22, 2014, 12:42 PM
Sep 2014

...where the group reconstituted in the power vacuum left by the Syria civil war, which we have been cheering on, and which the CIA has been helping for several years.

 

FairWinds

(1,717 posts)
9. If the al-Assad regime falls you can expect . .
Sun Sep 21, 2014, 02:20 PM
Sep 2014

genocide against the Alawite community.
(This is not at all to deny that the Assad regime has
itself committed mass killings, if not exactly genocide.)
This intervention could, and likely will, turn out much
worse than Lybia.
War is not the answer.
Support your local chapter of Veterans For Peace

 

Dems to Win

(2,161 posts)
10. THIS is why ISIS is taunting US into a war, IMO. To take out Assad.
Sun Sep 21, 2014, 02:31 PM
Sep 2014

It has long been a goal of Saudi Arabia, ISIS's creators, to overthrow Assad.

ISIS is doing everything they can to taunt Obama and the US into war. I believe they are doing exactly what their creators ordered -- be so brutal and savage that they draw the US into war to take out Assad.

Sickening to see the US fall for it.

flamingdem

(39,321 posts)
13. This sounds plausible
Sun Sep 21, 2014, 03:37 PM
Sep 2014

but I don't think Obama is so stupid as to allow an extremist takeover of Syria. They don't want fundies in there they want secular.

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
15. When they topple Assad
Sun Sep 21, 2014, 04:05 PM
Sep 2014

who has a mostly secular leadership policy, who do you think is going to take over? If you guessed "Fundies with a fundie agenda that destabilizes the area and will no longer oppose US ambitions in the area" as happened in Iraq and Libya, DING DING DING DING right answer.

 

Dems to Win

(2,161 posts)
24. Saudi Arabia wants a Sunni ruler of Syria, I don't think they really care if its a fundie
Sun Sep 21, 2014, 06:44 PM
Sep 2014

Secular or fundie, the Sunni will almost certainly be sectarian and tribal, allying with fellow Sunnis like the Saudi royal family rather than allying with Shiite Iran.

I agree with you that Obama is not stupid; he's very smart. He's only able to make wise decisions, though, if he has good information. I am very skeptical of the info he (and Kerry) are getting from the national security bureaucracy, with so many Bush and PNAC holdovers.

I will also mention that the US may topple Assad but not be successful in picking his successor, or that US-picked leader may not last long. I fully expect the Taliban to be back in control of Afghanistan within a few years after the US finally leaves, tragically for the women of the country.

 

seveneyes

(4,631 posts)
12. Maybe they will have a wonderful Spring just like in Libya
Sun Sep 21, 2014, 03:17 PM
Sep 2014

Because wiping out leaders that keep their psycho killers in check is all the rage.

flamingdem

(39,321 posts)
18. I wonder if Powers is a loose cannon
Sun Sep 21, 2014, 05:22 PM
Sep 2014

That seems like a stupid comment that the admin would have to walk back.

Then again maybe it's about Iran.

TwilightGardener

(46,416 posts)
21. "Assad must go" has been our policy for several years. The FSA exists to take him
Sun Sep 21, 2014, 06:03 PM
Sep 2014

down, it doesn't exist to fight ISIS for us. The deal is, if we arm and train them, they need to fight both group and regime. That said, administration members said the rebels wouldn't be ready as a force for many months. This, and airstrikes, are to force Assad to step up and fight ISIS, something he has not done until very recently. The goal, I believe, is to pressure Assad and force a peace deal with the FSA to end the civil war, and encourage him to step aside, rather than simply overthrowing him, while also getting rid of ISIS (and Al Nusra) simultaneously.

 

AngryAmish

(25,704 posts)
39. No, she is a ginger Paul Wolfowitz
Fri Sep 26, 2014, 11:48 AM
Sep 2014

A thick headed ideologue who will not be happy until the people she has decided are bad are all dead. I have studied her and determined she is entirely capable of a Final Solution.

 

quadrature

(2,049 posts)
19. do Obamaforce Rebels have a flag?
Sun Sep 21, 2014, 05:30 PM
Sep 2014

do they have a commanding officer?
who is he?

do they obey the laws of war?
how much are they paid?

KoKo

(84,711 posts)
25. So...Samantha Power's Says...But, the Devil is in the Details
Sun Sep 21, 2014, 07:43 PM
Sep 2014

and Powers is just "Talking the Talk."

It remains to be seen when the "Truth Comes Out."

hedda_foil

(16,375 posts)
31. Now that's the most convincing rationale for the ISIS smokescreen I've seen.
Mon Sep 22, 2014, 03:30 PM
Sep 2014

None of the others are strong enough for the administration to restart the PNAC engine of destruction. They could, though, be side benefits for US "interests" and/or the interests of "coalition" member states.

The real objective of this rolling disaster has to be stabilizing the Middle East to ensure the flow and price of oil for the West. The US has had better luck with the Sunni strongmen in the region than with the Shia factions (at least since the Shah was deposed). So, chances are that's the side we'd try to prop up -- despite the inconvenient fact that the ISIS boogeyman are also Sunni.


Cayenne

(480 posts)
33. And no guarantees from an Assad successor either
Mon Sep 22, 2014, 09:05 PM
Sep 2014

That map explains it well. Assad just isn't playing along with the oil men.

hedda_foil

(16,375 posts)
34. So our old pal Assad wouldn't play ball like the oiligarchs wanted...
Mon Sep 22, 2014, 11:57 PM
Sep 2014

Suddenly, he went from being our westernized best buddy to the current brutal (evil, crazy etc) dictator without passing go. I think you guys have nailed it.

 

happyslug

(14,779 posts)
37. The map fails to show who lives where in Syria....
Fri Sep 26, 2014, 12:40 AM
Sep 2014

Assad and his family are Alawites.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alawites

http://middleeast.about.com/od/syria/tp/The-Difference-Between-Alawites-And-Sunnis-In-Syria.htm

Here is an "Old" French map (1920-1921) of how to break up Syria among its various Minorities:





The Alawites are a branch of Islam, but what was its relations with the "Twelve" School of Shiite Islam is unclear. Alawites celebrate both Christmas AND Zoracaseric New Year (Zorcastism was the Religion of Ancient Persia, before the Islamic Conquest). They also celebrate other Christian and Zorcastisic Holidays and drink wine in their religious functions. They do NOT have Mosques, but just places to meet for their were repressed within the larger Sunni State of the Ottoman Empire for centuries.

Now, under the Elder Assad (the present President's Father) he tried to move Alawites into Sunni Islam. Thus you will read reports that Alawites was just closed down by the elder Assad for he had Mosques built in Alawites towns and told his relatives (Who he trusted the most and they were ALL Alawites), to be good Sunni Moslems. Thus how Sunni is the present leadership of Syria is an open debate, but a debate where the secret nature of Alawites brings up how Shiite are they, how Sunni are they, how Christian are they how Zorcastisic are they?

Now, most of the Religious angle may be moot, for the real question is HOW seperate do they think of themselves? Most are close relatives to each other thus more a large TRIBE then a religion looking for converts. Thus they all may be good Sunni Moslem now, but their TRIBAL roots still exist and that ties them with the Christians of Lebanon (These two groups traded with each other for centuries, in fact the reason the Elder Assad went into Lebanon during the Lebanon Civil War was to bail out his Christian Trading partners AGAINST the raising tide of the Shiites, the Shiites later allied with Syria for they opposed Saddam in Iraq and supported Iran. Thus bringing about the present Iranian-Hezbollah-Iran-Christians of Lebanon understanding, it is NOT an alliance, but it is more then friendship).

Thus the above map shows the Christian and Alawite areas of Syria and Lebanon, both could be used to carry the pipeline to the Greek Cypriot held part of Cyprus and then to Athens by undersea pipeline.

At the same time any pipeline from Sunni Controlled Qatar and Saudi Arabia will want to avoid these same areas AND make them unstable for any Shiite Pipeline.

Just a comment that we are looking at Natural Gas energy issue NOT religious, tribal, local etc issues. Those issues are just excuses that no one is willing to spend money on, but who gets what Natural Gas, that is MONEY and people will spend MONEY to MAKE MONEY.

Xithras

(16,191 posts)
38. If they don't just join ISIS, like most of the rest already have.
Fri Sep 26, 2014, 11:30 AM
Sep 2014

The FSA is a shadow of its former self. Most new recruits are going to the IS now, and all of the eastern FSA units have been destroyed or defected. The FSA simply doesn't exist in Syria nowadays.

More embarrassing for the U.S. is the fact that many of the fighters who we have trained and armed in the past are now part of ISIS. The FSA doesn't have the numbers to win at this point, and isn't going to get them without major defections from the IS, and all the training in the world isn't going to fix that.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2014/08/18/the-terrorists-fighting-us-now-we-just-finished-training-them/

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