Samantha Power: Syrian Rebels' Training Will Also Aid in Fight Against Assad
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Source: NBC NEWS
The U.S. ambassador to the United Nations said Sunday that training of moderate rebels in Syria will help both U.S. efforts to destroy the terror group known as ISIS and the rebels' ongoing struggle against the regime of President Bashar al-Assad. Ambassador Samantha Power told NBC's Chuck Todd that the rebels know their arming and training by the U.S. is intended to help degrade the Islamic terror organization.
"But may I add, the training also will service these troops in the same struggle that they've been in since the beginning of this conflict against the Assad regime," she said in an interview on NBC's Meet the Press. Last August, President Barack Obama indicated that he was prepared to launch a military strike in Syria after Assad's regime used chemical weapons against its own people. But, without strong support in Congress or from the American support, that plan dissolved.
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No more rebels, thanks.
Anansi1171
(793 posts)Assad is the main objective.
Autumn
(45,120 posts)Aerows
(39,961 posts)A handful of people are cheering all of this on are saying that it isn't because they realize it isn't popular, but if you listen to what even military and political officials are saying, they've made it clear as day what the mission is.
I believe the phrase is "don't piss on my leg and tell me it is raining" when even the very people coordinating this fiasco are saying to expect a drought!
Autumn
(45,120 posts)You can tell the differerence though piss is warm and yellow, rain is cool and refreshing. It gripes me that they think we are so stupid.
plenty of people do think the American people are stupid enough to fall for this.
Take note of those who are all for this, because they will be the very same people that are all for something equally unwise.
jamzrockz
(1,333 posts)slow down man, we have some big time conspiracy theorists tell us that Assad is secretly in support of US intervention in Syria. You mean to tell me that even he doesn't know that all this fight against ISIS is a ruse to get the US into helping the rebels depose him?
Lol, what some people will say to support another stupid policy of removing a secular leader in the Middle east.
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)yurbud
(39,405 posts)Aerows
(39,961 posts)for the US getting involved. I've been told that I'm living in fantasy land about the true objectives of our mission in Syria.
Perhaps some of those who say that could step up to the plate and discuss why Ambassador Power admits that one goal is to topple Assad.
But carry on, all who directly or indirectly deny that this is part of the mission. I'll just wait until enough government and military officials say it outright for those who insist it is conspiracy theory to stop discussing it because it will only draw attention to the folly this will become.
Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)msongs
(67,441 posts)ISIS has former Saddam Hussein generals directing the military operation. The US war on Iraq brought us ISIS where they then took safe haven in Syria and opened their arms to anti-Assad malcontents to strengthen their ranks. It is unlikely that any of this would be happening today had Bush not decided to avenge Saddam's plot to assassinate George H. W. Bush.
Comrade Grumpy
(13,184 posts)...where the group reconstituted in the power vacuum left by the Syria civil war, which we have been cheering on, and which the CIA has been helping for several years.
FairWinds
(1,717 posts)genocide against the Alawite community.
(This is not at all to deny that the Assad regime has
itself committed mass killings, if not exactly genocide.)
This intervention could, and likely will, turn out much
worse than Lybia.
War is not the answer.
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Dems to Win
(2,161 posts)It has long been a goal of Saudi Arabia, ISIS's creators, to overthrow Assad.
ISIS is doing everything they can to taunt Obama and the US into war. I believe they are doing exactly what their creators ordered -- be so brutal and savage that they draw the US into war to take out Assad.
Sickening to see the US fall for it.
flamingdem
(39,321 posts)but I don't think Obama is so stupid as to allow an extremist takeover of Syria. They don't want fundies in there they want secular.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)who has a mostly secular leadership policy, who do you think is going to take over? If you guessed "Fundies with a fundie agenda that destabilizes the area and will no longer oppose US ambitions in the area" as happened in Iraq and Libya, DING DING DING DING right answer.
CJCRANE
(18,184 posts)What happened in Iraq?
Dems to Win
(2,161 posts)Secular or fundie, the Sunni will almost certainly be sectarian and tribal, allying with fellow Sunnis like the Saudi royal family rather than allying with Shiite Iran.
I agree with you that Obama is not stupid; he's very smart. He's only able to make wise decisions, though, if he has good information. I am very skeptical of the info he (and Kerry) are getting from the national security bureaucracy, with so many Bush and PNAC holdovers.
I will also mention that the US may topple Assad but not be successful in picking his successor, or that US-picked leader may not last long. I fully expect the Taliban to be back in control of Afghanistan within a few years after the US finally leaves, tragically for the women of the country.
CentralMass
(15,265 posts)seveneyes
(4,631 posts)Because wiping out leaders that keep their psycho killers in check is all the rage.
bemildred
(90,061 posts)flamingdem
(39,321 posts)That seems like a stupid comment that the admin would have to walk back.
Then again maybe it's about Iran.
TwilightGardener
(46,416 posts)down, it doesn't exist to fight ISIS for us. The deal is, if we arm and train them, they need to fight both group and regime. That said, administration members said the rebels wouldn't be ready as a force for many months. This, and airstrikes, are to force Assad to step up and fight ISIS, something he has not done until very recently. The goal, I believe, is to pressure Assad and force a peace deal with the FSA to end the civil war, and encourage him to step aside, rather than simply overthrowing him, while also getting rid of ISIS (and Al Nusra) simultaneously.
morningfog
(18,115 posts)It is no secret.
AngryAmish
(25,704 posts)A thick headed ideologue who will not be happy until the people she has decided are bad are all dead. I have studied her and determined she is entirely capable of a Final Solution.
quadrature
(2,049 posts)do they have a commanding officer?
who is he?
do they obey the laws of war?
how much are they paid?
flamingdem
(39,321 posts)in General Discussion, from nbc
Bossy Monkey
(15,863 posts)KoKo
(84,711 posts)and Powers is just "Talking the Talk."
It remains to be seen when the "Truth Comes Out."
daleo
(21,317 posts)That always works.
Cayenne
(480 posts)hedda_foil
(16,375 posts)None of the others are strong enough for the administration to restart the PNAC engine of destruction. They could, though, be side benefits for US "interests" and/or the interests of "coalition" member states.
The real objective of this rolling disaster has to be stabilizing the Middle East to ensure the flow and price of oil for the West. The US has had better luck with the Sunni strongmen in the region than with the Shia factions (at least since the Shah was deposed). So, chances are that's the side we'd try to prop up -- despite the inconvenient fact that the ISIS boogeyman are also Sunni.
jakeXT
(10,575 posts)Cayenne
(480 posts)That map explains it well. Assad just isn't playing along with the oil men.
hedda_foil
(16,375 posts)Suddenly, he went from being our westernized best buddy to the current brutal (evil, crazy etc) dictator without passing go. I think you guys have nailed it.
Cayenne
(480 posts)Worthy idea but unworthy means.
happyslug
(14,779 posts)Assad and his family are Alawites.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alawites
http://middleeast.about.com/od/syria/tp/The-Difference-Between-Alawites-And-Sunnis-In-Syria.htm
Here is an "Old" French map (1920-1921) of how to break up Syria among its various Minorities:
The Alawites are a branch of Islam, but what was its relations with the "Twelve" School of Shiite Islam is unclear. Alawites celebrate both Christmas AND Zoracaseric New Year (Zorcastism was the Religion of Ancient Persia, before the Islamic Conquest). They also celebrate other Christian and Zorcastisic Holidays and drink wine in their religious functions. They do NOT have Mosques, but just places to meet for their were repressed within the larger Sunni State of the Ottoman Empire for centuries.
Now, under the Elder Assad (the present President's Father) he tried to move Alawites into Sunni Islam. Thus you will read reports that Alawites was just closed down by the elder Assad for he had Mosques built in Alawites towns and told his relatives (Who he trusted the most and they were ALL Alawites), to be good Sunni Moslems. Thus how Sunni is the present leadership of Syria is an open debate, but a debate where the secret nature of Alawites brings up how Shiite are they, how Sunni are they, how Christian are they how Zorcastisic are they?
Now, most of the Religious angle may be moot, for the real question is HOW seperate do they think of themselves? Most are close relatives to each other thus more a large TRIBE then a religion looking for converts. Thus they all may be good Sunni Moslem now, but their TRIBAL roots still exist and that ties them with the Christians of Lebanon (These two groups traded with each other for centuries, in fact the reason the Elder Assad went into Lebanon during the Lebanon Civil War was to bail out his Christian Trading partners AGAINST the raising tide of the Shiites, the Shiites later allied with Syria for they opposed Saddam in Iraq and supported Iran. Thus bringing about the present Iranian-Hezbollah-Iran-Christians of Lebanon understanding, it is NOT an alliance, but it is more then friendship).
Thus the above map shows the Christian and Alawite areas of Syria and Lebanon, both could be used to carry the pipeline to the Greek Cypriot held part of Cyprus and then to Athens by undersea pipeline.
At the same time any pipeline from Sunni Controlled Qatar and Saudi Arabia will want to avoid these same areas AND make them unstable for any Shiite Pipeline.
Just a comment that we are looking at Natural Gas energy issue NOT religious, tribal, local etc issues. Those issues are just excuses that no one is willing to spend money on, but who gets what Natural Gas, that is MONEY and people will spend MONEY to MAKE MONEY.
Xithras
(16,191 posts)The FSA is a shadow of its former self. Most new recruits are going to the IS now, and all of the eastern FSA units have been destroyed or defected. The FSA simply doesn't exist in Syria nowadays.
More embarrassing for the U.S. is the fact that many of the fighters who we have trained and armed in the past are now part of ISIS. The FSA doesn't have the numbers to win at this point, and isn't going to get them without major defections from the IS, and all the training in the world isn't going to fix that.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2014/08/18/the-terrorists-fighting-us-now-we-just-finished-training-them/