Dog Owner Gets At Least 15 Years In Fatal Mauling
Source: Associated Press
LANCASTER, Calif. (AP) -- The morning walk that would be the last of Pamela Devitt's life was more than just a routine stroll. It was part of the retiree's effort to keep fit for her golden years with a young grandson.
The fitness regimen and the plan to move out of state with her husband to be closer to their son's family ended tragically when four pit bulls attacked, biting her more than 150 times. On Friday, the dogs' owner saw his future plans evaporate when he was sentenced in Los Angeles County Superior Court to 15 years to life in prison.
The rare second-degree murder conviction in a dog mauling had come because Alex Jackson repeatedly ignored complaints about his dogs from horseback riders, neighbors and a postman. Prosecutors said he was well aware of the danger they posed and did nothing about it.
Devitt, 63, hardly stood a chance when the dogs leaped over Jackson's fence and attacked her in May 2013, on the home stretch of her two-mile walk in the high desert town of Littlerock, about 60 miles northeast of Los Angeles.
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RKP5637
(67,108 posts)valerief
(53,235 posts)awoke_in_2003
(34,582 posts)they are perfectly safe until they snap off I won't walk the neighborhood with my granddaughter anymore without an axe handle and pepper spray. Too many big dog owners with small fences. If one comes at her it is not going to get back off the ground.
valerief
(53,235 posts)Luckily, the homeowners breeding pitbulls for fighting RIGHT NEXT DOOR TO ME foreclosed. I can at least walk out to my car without being in mortal fear.
awoke_in_2003
(34,582 posts)I am going to get hammered for this, but they are ticking time bombs. The breed is drastically different than it used to be. The bulk of the modern day Pit Bull Terrier is bred for nothing but fighting.
valerief
(53,235 posts)awoke_in_2003
(34,582 posts)breastfeeding at Olive Garden post going on that we don't know about
DesertDiamond
(1,616 posts)seabeyond
(110,159 posts)behind them. a decade of thinking, when i took kids out on OUR front yard, how i would get two little ones into the house, if they got out of yard. our yard is beautiful, and still, i mostly used fenced backyard because of it. i had another dog attack my little pup last year.
people are so damn irresponsible, all the rest of us have to accommodate them, with our lives and choices.
brewens
(13,588 posts)unless you want an intimidating badassed dog. Too many times, it's the biggest dumbshit around that thinks he needs one. Seriously. With all the other options out there, why would you want one of those? Even a good one can be a pain in the ass. It's like a freakin' mini tank getting all wound up and banging into your shins!
DesertDiamond
(1,616 posts)Sorry, but your statement smacks of ignorant bigotry.
XemaSab
(60,212 posts)n/t
IVoteDFL
(417 posts)8 year old girls are the epitome of wanna be tough guys, though.
Seriously, she was a good dog named Dee Dee. She probably saved my life once when I was playing across the street too late at night, a man approached me and tried to get me to go with him. I yelled and Dee Dee burst out of her yard (she was tied up with a choke chain and everything) and chased the guy off. If I didn't live in an apartment I would get one to chase off all of the "tough guys" who harass me all the time now.
XemaSab
(60,212 posts)QED
IVoteDFL
(417 posts)I live in a really bad neighborhood and I'm not financially capable of moving anywhere safer. A lot of people get all kinds of dogs for protection. There is absolutely nothing wrong with that.
There certainly are breeds that could be used as a weapon, I just said a Red Nose Pit because I have fond memories of Dee Dee. Most farmers I know have big labs or mastiffs because the police are too far out to get there in time if anything happens. I've seen them knock over people three times my size and attack the crap out of them once they are down. My step dad shot an Irish Setter for tearing a hole in his grandson's face. If you have a dog that is trained to be territorial and aggressive, and protect your land it is always going to be a danger to outsiders. If you have a dog raised by a little girl, it is probably going to be sweet and protective.
DesertDiamond
(1,616 posts)backwoodsbob
(6,001 posts)that's bigotry?
DesertDiamond
(1,616 posts)Breeding dogs for fighting purposes is one of the most horrible forms of animal abuse. Not only are the dogs harmed, but then people blame ALL pit bulls for the ones that were TRAINED by HUMANS to fight. What was the reason these subhumanoids were not shut down and jailed?
Sunlei
(22,651 posts)valerief
(53,235 posts)came on my property, so I had to have an unwanted fence built. The cops didn't care that they were pitbulls.
And the foreclosure? I guess the people didn't pay their mortgage.
KurtNYC
(14,549 posts)Many dog breed names refer to the task the dogs were bred to do. The problem isn't so much that a dog can be trained to fight but rather that you can selectively breed for traits like strength, jaw size, aggression, pain tolerance and endurance. It isn't about "blaming the dog".
Australian sheepdogs were bred to herd sheep. Would it be safe to assume that even the Australian Sheepdogs who weren't trained to herd, have the ability and desire to do so? Why would breeding work any differently in pit bulls?
Also, a big potential problem with backyard breeding operations is that the dogs are not neutered. 87% of dog attacks on humans which result in fatality are done by non-neutered male dogs of any breed. Between 10 and 50 mil dogs are put down every year in this country. We don't need backyard breeders producing more dogs unless and until there are more homes than dogs.
DesertDiamond
(1,616 posts)RKP5637
(67,108 posts)DesertDiamond
(1,616 posts)them meth to make them more agitated. Then the poor abused dogs get blamed. One difference between pit bulls trained to attack and their owners is that the pit bulls can actually be rehabilitated and the attack mode trained out of them, but the owners are less likely to be rehabilitated.
backwoodsbob
(6,001 posts)you CAN NOT rehabilitate and train a dog that is genetically bred to be aggressive into a passive animal.
You CAN teach it social skills but the genetic triggers will never go away.
Drahthaardogs
(6,843 posts)This guy did NOT train them. He had neither the time, the resources, nor the knowledge to do it. The dogs were viciuous plain and simple.
Hari Seldon
(154 posts)They will do ANYTHING to please their owner, and that includes fighting past the point of pain if thats what master wants.
When will the people who abuse the noble quality of Loyalty be banned?
valerief
(53,235 posts)DesertDiamond
(1,616 posts)valerief
(53,235 posts)DesertDiamond
(1,616 posts)EX500rider
(10,848 posts)Trained to attack is a different matter.
DesertDiamond
(1,616 posts)put on them here in the US because of the SMALL PERCENTAGE of the group of breeds was taken and perverted into fighting dogs. So, again, no, the group of dogs referred to as "pit bulls" were actually, again, bred and used as nanny dogs to take loving care of children.
EX500rider
(10,848 posts)...please point out the section on nanny dogs.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pit_bull
I do see this part:
The Pit Bull Terrier was created by breeding mastiffs and terriers together to produce a dog that combined the gameness and agility of the terrier with the strength of the mastiff. These dogs were bred in England as all-around farm dogs, and arrived in the United States where they became the direct ancestors of the American Pitbull Terrier. In the United Kingdom Pit Bulls were used in bloodsports such as bull baiting, bear baiting and cock fighting. These bloodsports were officially eliminated in 1835 as Britain began to introduce animal welfare laws. Since dogfights were cheaper to organise and far easier to conceal from the law than bull or bear baits, bloodsport proponents turned to pitting their dogs against each other instead. Dog fighting was used as both a bloodsport (often involving gambling) and a way to continue to test the quality of their stock. For decades afterwards, dog fighting clandestinely took place in small areas of Britain and America. In the early 20th century pitbulls were used as catch dogs in America for semi-wild cattle and hogs, to hunt, and drive livestock, and as family companions. Some have been selectively bred for their fighting prowess.
XemaSab
(60,212 posts)n/t
DesertDiamond
(1,616 posts)AngryAmish
(25,704 posts)I follow eugenics pretty closely. I have heard about the Chinese eugenics program and occaisionally hear about everyday eugenics (lesbian bi-racial baby) but your news is new to me.
DesertDiamond
(1,616 posts)Thor_MN
(11,843 posts)The other poster asked about the eugenics program that you cited...
Your words. "Some pit bulls are bred for aggression;some men are too. "
So, please inform us about this breeding program to produce aggressive men. What state(s) is it run in? How do they select for aggressiveness? Who do they use as surrogates to gestate these aggressive male babies. I assume they cull the female embryos, since you claim this is male only breeding program. Do they have a web site?
baldguy
(36,649 posts)In a dog fight, humans have to be able to reach in & get the dog. If the dog bites the human, it gets put down. And MORE IMPORTANTLY it's not allowed to bred.
When you see a dog bite - any dog - it's a failure of the owner to act responsibly in training, socializing & controlling the dog. And the owner of the dogs in the OP acted especially irresponsibly.
If you ban the breed (meaning a mass-slaughter of millions of innocent animals that have done no harm to anyone) people like the asshole in the OP would just find some other dog to abuse.
DesertDiamond
(1,616 posts)bluestateguy
(44,173 posts)1) pit bull owners
2) public school administrators
3) Sarah Palin
valerief
(53,235 posts)jtuck004
(15,882 posts)The ones that holler "BAAAAAN!" at every shadow really deserve a spot on there.
secondvariety
(1,245 posts)Are you saying I'm stupid? Maybe we should make a list of the Most Frightened People in America.
DesertDiamond
(1,616 posts)Plucketeer
(12,882 posts)after you're doing 15 to life.
secondvariety
(1,245 posts)pitbull owners are like the mutant in the story. Would it make you all less self-righteous if it had been a bunch of chows that attacked that woman?
DesertDiamond
(1,616 posts)TorchTheWitch
(11,065 posts)or on a leash??? Fifteen years isn't enough for this guy. He knew his dogs were dangerous but let them roam freely anyway. He's not an idiot, he's an asshole. A murderous asshole.
I can't even understand why people are ok with their dogs loose. I'd be scared to death if my dog could get out of my fenced yard that he can't jump over and doesn't want to anyway and wouldn't dream of not having him securely on a leash when out of my house/yard. I'm like a parent with a big hairy son and would freak out if I didn't know where he was or what might happen to him.
That poor woman. What a horror she went through before dying. Fifteen years for that murderous asshole isn't a fraction of what he deserves.
DesertDiamond
(1,616 posts)This didn't happen in Lancaster, it happened in nearby Littlerock, CA. The guy was a drug dealer and the dogs were used to protect his business. This is why they were trained to attack. That responsibility lands on the human, not on the poor dogs who were misused in this way.
TorchTheWitch
(11,065 posts)I never blamed the dogs for what they did. Dogs do what dogs do for the reasons dogs do those things. It's always the responsibility of the owner/handler to make sure they don't hurt anyone. ALWAYS.
His being a drug dealer and having "attack trained" his dogs but let them run loose to terrorize the neighborhood is even more to blame than I thought. Throw him under the jail for life then. And I say "attack trained" in quotes because they weren't. Dogs that are attack trained only attack on command, attack in such a way as to render someone harmless (not to maul or kill them) and only in specific circumstances such as when they patrol a fenced property on their own and were trained to attack anyone that hopped the fence. What this guy did is just produce aggressive violent dogs that attacked whenever they felt like it for their own dog reasons. And I agree that's abusive to the dogs. Of course they would have been put down through no fault of their own. Throw him under the jail for that, too.
As for Lancaster or Littlerock... I live in PA and have no idea where the hell it happened and don't see that it's relevant.
DesertDiamond
(1,616 posts)etherealtruth
(22,165 posts)He is a murderous criminal
TorchTheWitch
(11,065 posts)and that I wasn't specifically talking about him but anyone that lets their dogs roam freely whether they're dangerous or not. Any dog can be dangerous in whatever they consider is the right circumstances. They're dogs and do what dogs do when they think it's appropriate. His teaching the dogs to be aggressive and dangerous just makes his case even worse. So throw him UNDER the jail for life then.
etherealtruth
(22,165 posts)His actions that led to that poor woman's death are sickening ... I wasn't disagreeing with you at all. I just wanted to stress that this a$$-hole trained his dogs to do exactly what they did (making it even worse than harboring vicious dogs, which is bad enough)
DesertDiamond
(1,616 posts)dogs nervous and more prone to attack. This is a most horrible form of animal abuse.
etherealtruth
(22,165 posts)That is one sick effer!
EX500rider
(10,848 posts)I doubt my 9lbs Chihuahua could be too dangerous...or my friends 4 lbs Yorkie.
TorchTheWitch
(11,065 posts)Small dogs may not be able to kill you, but they can still bite in such a way as to permanently damage nerves/tendons/whatever.
One of the kids I used to play with when I was a kid was bitten badly on the ankle by our next door neighbor's nasty Dachshund. He got a permanent limp because of it.
Another guy I used to know several years ago got bitten badly on the hand by his own evil tempered poodle mix (nastiest dog I've ever known). He was a guitar player in a prominent band at the time and can't play anymore because of the damage.
A dog trainer I used to know has a giant horrible scar on her hand and wrist from an attack by her worst client - a poodle. She can't use her pinky and ring finger on that hand. Eventually, the dog bit one of their young kids badly, and they had it put to sleep.
I have a scar on the back/side of my neck from teasing one of the small neighborhood dogs when I was a kid (some kind of unknown mutt). Doctor told my parents that had it bitten me just an inch or so away were the carotid artery is I would likely have bled out and died. I still usually don't wear my hair up because of that scar though it has tremendously faded since, and the doctor did a hell of a job stitching me back up. Rather than being afraid of dogs after that I think it made me like them and respect them all the more because of the crushing guilt I felt about teasing it... I was evil pulling on it's tail though I don't know why I did.
The worst dog I think I've met yet was a Chihuahua about half the size of yours. Owned by a no-longer friend of my next door neighbor. It was still a puppy when she brought the beast over to show off. Being an accessory rather than a pet she carried it everywhere instead of letting it walk with its own legs, and it growled and snapped continually at everyone including her. It bit her at least a dozen times the few hours she was visiting until the last bite got her bad on the jaw that she had to go to the hospital and have stitches to put back the flap of skin and muscle it mostly tore off. After that she dropped it off at the pound and continued to complain what a horrible vicious dog it was though she got it as a puppy, and it was still not quite a year old when it ripped off part of her face. Stupid woman still doesn't believe the dog's attitude was entirely her own fault, and she's still furious at that dog for scaring her face.
There's a good reason why small dogs are often the most vicious growling, snapping and biting even their own owners beasts. Because the owners think it's somehow cute or that because the dog is small it can't hurt anyone, so they let them act like rabid shits. I know of very few small dogs that aren't allowed to bite when they please though some of them only do it in more extreme circumstances while most of them growl, snap or bite quite often.
They may not be able to kill an adult, but they can sure do some very serious damage and can kill babies and kids. Having a small dog is no excuse to not train it properly and keep it under physical control.
DesertDiamond
(1,616 posts)DesertDiamond
(1,616 posts)This guy is definitely deserving of the maximum possible sentence for what he did.
tblue37
(65,357 posts)necessarily get it even when he does. No doubt still living members of the victim's family will want to write or speak to the parole board about whether he should get parole when the time comes.
TorchTheWitch
(11,065 posts)He should be getting life without parole as far as I'm concerned.
C Moon
(12,213 posts)I don't give a flying fuck about that asshole who left his dogs in his backyard and trained them to be mean, and I don't care if the Pit Bull breed is slowly removed from our society.
But to say EVERY SINGLE Pit Bull is an evil fighting machine is just asinine.
There are sooooooooooo many cool Pit Bullsmany sitting at local shelters waiting to be euthanized.
I've worked on dog rescue videos for many, many, many of these poor dogs, and it's fucking heart breaking.
It's not funny, and YOU'RE being cruel.
Enrique
(27,461 posts)the ones that don't give a fuck about valerief not being able to take a walk for fear of their dogs. In fact some of them no doubt get a rush from people being scared of their dogs.
C Moon
(12,213 posts)Some of them sound more like Yahoo News comments.
Chemisse
(30,811 posts)The problem seems to be that so many of those who choose to own a pit bull, do it because they are - or want to be seen as - badasses. So pit bull owners are disproportionately dumb, violent and willing to nurture the dog's mean qualities.
And that's not to mention those who breed or own one to engage in dog fights.
valerief
(53,235 posts)This is why pitbulls are a threat to humans.
phylny
(8,380 posts)One of my coworkers has a pit/boxer mix and she's a therapy dog. She's the sweetest dog around. Still, you don't know a dog until you know them, and they are all still animals who may at one time or another act unpredictably.
In the case of this poor woman, no matter how cautious SHE was, these dogs were vicious and the owner is to blame. So sorry for her family, glad he's going to prison.
TorchTheWitch
(11,065 posts)I wish people would teach their kids that since it seems they don't anymore. I learned that at a very early age. I'm so sick of parents not teaching their kids not to run up to a dog they've never met before and reach out to pet them, and I've also dealt with such kids when their parents were right there letting them.
DesertDiamond
(1,616 posts)dangerous simply because they are pit bulls is as much bigotry as insisting someone from a particular ethinicity is dangerous because they are of that ethnicity. As I point out above, if we are going to condemn sweet, loving pit bulls along with trained attack dogs, then we would also logically want to ban sweet, kind and loving men right along with the men who attack others. Because, you know, since some men snap and do harm to others, we just have to assume all men will eventually do that. Think about it. One makes just as much sense as the other, doesn't it?
onwardsand upwards
(276 posts)... should not be allowed as pets in populated areas.
We don't allow lions, tigers, bears, or alligators, as pets, and we shouldn't allow breeds of dogs that are potentially lethal either.
These dogs should be euthanized in a humane way, or confined to areas where they have no chance of harming people.
DesertDiamond
(1,616 posts)So let's just throw out a blanket judgment and euthanize everyone!
valerief
(53,235 posts)DesertDiamond
(1,616 posts)Even when another dog picks on him, it takes a lot to get him to react, and then he only snaps to tell them to stop. To everyone else, he is nothing but a cuddle bunny. Someday when I can afford to live in a house I will be able to keep him with me.
onwardsand upwards
(276 posts)We keep bears and cougars outside of populated areas, for a good reason.
Some breeds of dogs are also very dangerous, and you say, they can all snap at some point and maul someone -- possibly killing them.
If you want a pet, find an animal that is not a serious threat to people around you -- or, if you want to live with dangerous animals, live out the in wild yourself.
DesertDiamond
(1,616 posts)So if you are advocating banning or euthanizing any living beings that MIGHT be dangerous because someone in their category has proven to be dangerous, you would then need to include humans in that.
onwardsand upwards
(276 posts)If you read what I wrote carefully, you would see that I am not generalizing to all "dangerous living beings", only to non-human ones.
Sometimes I wonder if you are deliberately missing my point, putting words in my mouth that don't belong.
I can only hope that this is not the case.
EX500rider
(10,848 posts)Yes I know your pitbull is a loving puppy etc......however whenever I hear of someone mauled to death I can guess the breed without reading the story.
onwardsand upwards
(276 posts)We designed pit bulls in the same way that we designed nuclear weapons.
We should disarm, both with the nuclear weapons and the attack dogs.
Of course, the dogs are alive, and we should do this in a way that is as humane as possible.
Breeding more of them should be as illegal as producing more WMDs.
mantis49
(813 posts)n/t
onwardsand upwards
(276 posts)Pitbulls are clearly on one side and chihuahuas are clearly on the other side.
There is a big grey area, but the basic principle should be: any animal that can kill or seriously maul a human should not be allowed into populated areas -- unless they are muzzled or prevented in some other way from causing harm.
This, it seems to me, is a very straightforward public health principle -- although it is obviously unpopular with people who currently own dangerous pets and, thus, have a vested interest.
logosoco
(3,208 posts)with their lives.
I have owned two dogs in my life that were biters. One was a 2 pound chihuahua. I was extremely cautious about keeping them confined and away from people outside of the household.
I worked with animals for years. The ones that I was always leery of were the poodle mixes.
EX500rider
(10,848 posts)....dog maulings to the point of death...something no Chihuahua is ever going to do.
valerief
(53,235 posts)DesertDiamond
(1,616 posts)trained them as attack dogs -- and did not take proper precautions to prevent attacks.
Yes, I was bitten on the nose by a standard poodle once for looking him in the eye. And I've been told that the most sure to bite are cocker spaniels, to the point that a large percentage of them are euthanized when they get older because they won't stop biting.
XemaSab
(60,212 posts)I'm really curious which one you think it was.
Heidi
(58,237 posts)Darla Napora and her husband apparently were not the dog's first or only family.
From Darla Napora's father:
"After marriage, Darlas husband wanted a male pit bull and one was rescued. This pit bull was larger than average and for some reason, they chose not to neuter."
http://blog.dogsbite.org/2013/08/father-of-darla-napora-killed-by-pet-pit-bull-writes-letter.html
XemaSab
(60,212 posts)n/t
Heidi
(58,237 posts)You question was, "So was it Darla Napora or her husband who trained their dog to attack?"
My point is that Darla Napora and her husband are not the only two possibilities.
Marrah_G
(28,581 posts)And when you own a pack of them it is a thousand times more important to have control of them at all times. Dogs mentality changes if they are in a pack unless they have a clear and constant human that they see as a leader. Take a pack of large dogs and leave them out alone in a yard most of the time and they will choose their own leader and that can become dangerous.
I had a dog that could easily kill a person if he wanted to. Therefore I am extremely careful with him. He is a sweet and wonderful loving companion, but I would be remiss if I ever stopped paying attention to the fact that he could be dangerous.
I think most of these attacks, by pits or other breeds come from the fact that their human companions treat them either like their children or neglect them.
Chemisse
(30,811 posts)I own a mastiff. She (and most) has a lovely disposition. You are more in danger of being licked than bitten.
Nevertheless, it is a big responsibility to own a dog who could - even accidentally - really hurt someone. If we couldn't live up to that, we shouldn't own such a dog.
Arugula Latte
(50,566 posts)Jesus! There are millions being put to death every year. People who intentionally create more make me sick.
DesertDiamond
(1,616 posts)mahatmakanejeeves
(57,451 posts)A San Francisco woman was convicted of second-degree murder in the fatal mauling of her neighbor in the hallway outside her San Francisco apartment in 2001. A Michigan couple faces trial for second-degree murder in the deadly mauling of a jogger by their two dogs this summer.
I remember that.
15 years to life in S.F. dog maul death
Bob Egelko, Chronicle Staff Writer
Published 4:00 am, Tuesday, September 23, 2008
Marjorie Knoller did practically nothing while her dogs were fatally mauling a neighbor in a San Francisco apartment hallway, and later blamed the victim for her own death, a judge said Monday in sentencing the former attorney to 15 years to life in prison for second-degree murder.
....
Woolard said Knoller had not bothered to put a muzzle on her aggressive 140-pound Presa Canario dog before taking it out of the apartment. Knoller did not call for help, retrieve a weapon or dial 911 while the animal was mauling Diane Whipple for at least 10 minutes, the judge said. A second Presa Canario that Knoller and her husband and law partner, Robert Noel, kept in their apartment may have joined the attack.
Whipple, 33, the women's lacrosse coach at St. Mary's College in Moraga, bled to death from at least 77 wounds. Knoller, 53, was paroled from prison in 2004 after serving about three years for involuntary manslaughter, but was returned to custody Aug. 22 after Woolard reinstated the jury's murder verdict. Knoller's husband, who was not home when the attack happened, was convicted of involuntary manslaughter and paroled in September 2003.
Death of Diane Whipple
At the time of her death, Whipple lived in San Francisco's Pacific Heights with her domestic partner of six years, Sharon Smith.
....
The dogs' actual owner, Paul Schneider, was a high-ranking member of the prison gang the Aryan Brotherhood who was serving a life sentence in Pelican Bay State Prison.
....
On August 23, 2010, the First District Court of Appeal unanimously upheld Knoller's conviction, finding that she acted with a conscious disregard for human life when her Presa Canario escaped and killed Whipple. Knoller is currently serving her sentence at Valley State Prison for Women in Chowchilla.
Whipple's partner, Sharon Smith, also succeeded in suing Knoller and Noel for $1,500,000 in civil damages. She donated some of the money to Saint Mary's College of California to fund the women's lacrosse team.
DesertDiamond
(1,616 posts)the principle is the same. HUMANS are responsible for proper training and confinement of their dogs.
tomp
(9,512 posts)I've tried on numerous occasions to get police to address off leash bully dogs in my neighborhood park in nyc. the response?: well, is the dog hurting or threatening anyone right now? if not, we won't come." So, no attack under way, not attention from the authorities. the only reason i have ever wanted a gun is to protect myself from off-leash dogs. so, i agree with you as long as we have enforceable leash laws.
toby jo
(1,269 posts)They come in nice and not so nice. A friend rescued one, he likes the big bad breeds. But, he can control them. This one went back after 2 days. He said 'that dog was bred to kill. I don't want him. He can't be trained.' When he went off on situations, it was a drive to kill, he said. Different from the drive to protect.
From what I've seen of these 2 breeds, I'd take a pittie before a canario. Personally I keep husky mix breeds from the shelters.
U4ikLefty
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valerief
(53,235 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)"This has definitely been something that's been a life-changer for all of us," he said.
At least it wasn't a life-ENDER, as it was for the poor woman!